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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  July 11, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT

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good evening. thanks for joining us. there's a lot going on. we begin with breaking news. protests out on the street in chicago and sacramento, california. a similar demonstration planned for atlanta where marchers took over several roadways friday night. joining us by phone is our reporter down in the crowd in chicago. charlie, what is the scene like there in chicago?
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>> anderson, good evening. we are in the middle of it, like you said. the protesters made their way on michigan avenue, if you're familiar with chicago at all, michigan avenue is one of the biggest tourist destinations. it's been peaceful. the protesters have been loud, sitting down at time in the middle of intersections and blocking traffic, but for the most part, things have been peaceful here. over the weekend, things started peacefully here in chicago and escalated into violence, arrests later in the protests. but anderson, so far, it's been peaceful here in chicago. >> do police know where the protests go or is this just in the spur of the moment happening? >> it seems like there's a spur of the moment. there's a group who have identified themselves as leaders, but with such large numbers, at one point there's been a couple thousand people in this march.
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police are blocking off intersections. but again, with so many people, they can only do their best and there's been a couple of times where the police have set up a perimeter. the crowds have wanted to breach that perimeter and there's been a stand still. ultimately the crowd choosing to go a different way. but it doesn't seem like the police have an idea where these protesters are headed. >> charlie, we'll continue to check in, in chicago, as well as sacramento and bring you any breaking developments. it is unfolding on the wake of dallas on the eve of memorial services for police there. and a visit by president obama and former president bush. this is taking place in the immediate aftermath of a shooting elsewhere. three dead in the western michigan town of st. joseph, two members of law enforcement. a jail inmate got ahold of an
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officer's gun during a scuffle. >> the fight took place outside the holding cell at the courthouse, as they were getting him out of the holding cell, they secured the door, and then the inmate started fighting with the deputy and bailiff and that's when the gun was able to be taken away. he was trying to escape, and that's when he fatally wounded the two bailiffs. >> cnn >> deb, what more have you learned? >> reporter: we don't know whether this was a split second decision or something the inmate had been thinking about, but as soon as that door closed, he grabbed the gun of an officer who was bringing him from that holding cell into a courtroom, and was able to fatally shoot two of the bailiffs. the third man, a sheriff's deputy, was injured during this
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fight. a corrections officer is telling us that he saw the inmate running down the third floor hallway, and that hallway, anderson, is where there's a civil court. it's unclear specifically what charges he was facing, but the sheriff does say there was several charges for which he was appearing in front of a judge. the sheriff was clearly, clearly shaken by this shooting, because it happened inside a courthouse. he said "our hearts are torn apart. they were my friends for over 30 years." anderson? >> and i assume the investigation is still going on, yes? >> reporter: absolutely. they're inside that building right now processing what has become a crime scene. they're looking at all the surveillance video from the holding cell. the cameras that were inside the hallways. the big question really right now, anderson, is how was that inmate able to grab the gun? whose gun was it, and why wasn't it secured sufficiently in order to prevent this man from getting that gun?
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so it is a very big question tonight, anderson. >> just another example the dangers that law enforcement faces. tomorrow in dallas, family and friends of fallen police sergeant michael smith will gather at a local church to pray, comfort one another and to remember the life he led and the life he lost thursday night. he and four others will all be remembered this week in ceremonies, private and public, small and large. tomorrow afternoon, president bush, president obama and vice president biden will join hundreds at the main concert in dallas and offer words of comfort, prayers, and praise for the officers that night for the lives they saved. another officer helped shetamia
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and her sons. she joins us now. i'm so glad you are okay. physically, how are you feeling? >> i'm okay physically. i mean, it hurts. i'm in pain. i'm still high in spirits, so i'm good there. i'm not letting anything get me down. i just want to always stay positive and have that positive energy for me and my family, and exhibit that to the world, because this is not the end for me. so i'm okay. >> you could just take me back to -- you're at the protest. you brought your kids to the protest. when did you realize something terrible was happening? >> actually, i didn't realize anything bad was happening until the end of the rally. we were walking back, we had separated from the group, from the -- from where they had ended
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their march. it was just really me and my boys on the block walking back towards the car where the car was parked. and that's when we realized that something was wrong when we heard a pop. we were standing on the corner waiting to cross the street and we heard a pop out of nowhere and everybody looked, including cops. we just wasn't sure what that was and where it was coming from. then there was a second pop. that's when the officer -- >> you couldn't tell where it was coming from? >> no, i could tell the direction of the sound, but not exactly where it was coming from. >> what happened then? >> the officer, he started to slump over, and he yelled out, he's got a gun, get down, run. and that's exactly what we started to do. >> so you actually saw a police officer being shot? >> yes, sir. >> and yet he had been shot and yet he was kind of yelling out instructions, warnings to everybody else? >> yes, sir.
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>> so you started what, i assume you started running. what happened then? >> i started running after i made sure my kids were in front of me. and as i was running, i hadn't gotten very far from that corner when i felt the bullet penetrate the back of my leg. you know, i yelled out, "i'm hit." i don't know if my son heard me or just turned around to see where i was. but he turned around to grab at me, and by then, i was grabbing at him, and tackled him -- i don't want to say tackled, but i threw him down into the street and he kind of hit a car, and i landed on top of him, and laid on him, and we were both in between the car and the curb. he had no idea, i don't believe he knew i was shot at all. >> so andrew, your mom was able to grab you. what happened next?
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>> well, immediately after she grabbed me, we were kpinned dow between the curb and the car, and we just hear shots, shots, shots. >> did you realize your mom had been hit? >> i had no idea she was hit. as she said, she said something after she had started running, but i didn't realize what she said. >> she grabbed you -- i mean, are you laying next to each other? >> she was actually right on top of me. i was right under her like all i was -- all that was visible was my head. >> she got on top of you to protect you? >> yes. >> mia, that was just an instinctive thing you did? >> absolutely. absolutely. that's my son, and if it were --
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i've always kind of had that saying, if it happens to one of my kids, it happened to me first. so that was just -- yeah, that was just instincts, just a mother protecting her child. any parent would do that. >> i understand when the shots started firing, you were able to grab your brother jamar. what did you do next? >> we hid behind the stone pillar that was the entryway to the garage. we crouched down until police officer came by and covered us so we could run away. >> so it was a police officer who helped you get out of harm's way? >> yes. we were there for about a minute. and then a police officer ran over and he said, i'll cover you. and allowed us and there were a few photographers there beside us as well to get to the other side. >> mia, how did you get to the hospital? >> well, me and andrew were
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there in between the car and the curb on the street for just a few minutes before the police officers -- it was a bunch of them, just came up the block and the one -- if i'm not mistaken, the one who asked initially is anyone hit? i was saying yes, but in a real low tone, like shaking my head yes. andrew didn't want them to pick up on it. because i didn't want him to kind of freak out. the officer asked again is anyone hit, i said yes, sir, i am, in my leg. another one was above our head, and i mean, they just completely surrounded us. there were several of them alongside the wall on the sidewalk, and it took a while, we couldn't get right up. because i mean, it was just mayhem. it was just shots all around us.
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they were able -- they said come on, now is the time. i tried to get up, and i just buckled. i mean, i knew i was shot, but i didn't realize the extent of the injury. but they grabbed me, i had two of them on each side of me, i think one was behind me. one had my son covered. and they just pushed me into the car and they took off. the officer just took off. the car was -- i didn't even realize that the car was riddled with bullets like it was. >> no kidding, the police car was? >> yes, sir. it was just completely riddled. and the tires, i guess, had gotten shot out as well, because when we pulled into the hospital, later on one of the officers pulled in on rims. >> wow.
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>> so, i mean, they all did an amazing job. they all did an amazing job. they were so selfless. just -- i know they know what they get into when they take on this type of job, but to really act on it, it's amazing. >> when did you realize that all your sons were okay? because you were separated. >> it was an hour into me already being in the emergency room. >> wow. >> where -- because i was continuously praying. i prayed the entire time, even when -- from the time i jumped on andrew till i knew that me and him were okay in the hospital, but all the way -- and i haven't stopped praying. so finally andrew came to the emergency room door, to the room i was in, and he said mom, they found them.
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all three of them are okay. and i just gave praise and glory to god, because i was so thankful. but just like i said, while i was giving praise and glory to god for my children being safe, those officers were not. >> and you think of them -- >> several officers. >> -- all the time now? >> all the time. all the time. all the time. >> mia, as you think about this now, obviously you were there to make a statement to be part of this -- of this protest against police brutality. and also to see other police officers risking their lives and sacrificing their lives. how do you balance those two things now? >> my taking my sons to the rally was to show them unity,
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was to show them that we can, as african-americans, come together. that was my whole purpose of taking my children to that rally. it was not to protest against the police. i have never, ever had any ill will towards law enforcement whatsoever. i've never protested against them. that was not why we were there. that was not why i was there. that is not why i took my kids there. i took them there to show them unity. to show them that we can come together and make a difference if we come together as a community. >> thank you all so much. i'm sorry we're talking under those circumstances, but i'm glad you're all doing okay. >> thank you. so many heroes put themselves in danger in dallas last thursday night. coming up, we'll talk to the family of one officer that was killed. they want you to know about their brother. protesters taking to the
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violence against police officers. he called the activist movement inherently racist and today he doubled down on fox news. >> black lives matter never protest when every 14 hours somebody is killed in chicago probably 70, 80% of the time a black person. where are they then? that means they don't mean black lives matter. they mean, let's agitate against the police matters. if they meant black lives matter, they would be doing something about the way in which the vast majority of blacks are killed in america, which is by other blacks. black lives matter, therefore, puts a target on the back of police. >> giuliani isn't the only one who has made that claim. that's not how the group's founders or many others see it. randi kaye takes a look. >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> reporter: what started with a hash tag has turned into a rallying cry. the goal? to shine a light on racial injustice. >> this is a generation that wants to dismantle structural racism.
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this is the generation that wants to get at the core of it, that wants to get at the system -- the systemic problem. >> reporter: black lives matter movement was born after the shoots death of florida teen trayvon martin, when his neighbor, george zimmerman, was cleared of any wrongdoing. >> we, the jury, find george zimmerman, not guilty. >> reporter: after treyvon the deaths of african-americans at the hands of police gave rise to more voices of protests. there was eric garner in new york. and michael brown in ferguson, where the movement really began to take hold. >> the people, the local neighborhoods in ferguson were willing to call attention to the issues, right? they were willing to put their lives on the line for michael brown and for their own future. >> reporter: then 12-year-old tamir rice, who only had a pellet gun was killed by police in cleveland.
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>> the young man pulled a weapon out. that's when the officers fired. >> reporter: activists say the list goes on, robinson, harris, walter scott, freddie gray. in most incidents, the officers were not indicted, fueling the anger and amping up the message. >> they need to take care of our country, the police need to protect us. >> reporter: there are now dozens of black lives matter chapters across the united states. critics say they choose their outrage selectively, staying silent about black on black crime. some also believe the movement has actually incited violence against police officers, especially with chants like these. >> pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon. >> they say it was an inside joke between police and activists, meant to be playful. the group's founders insist black lives matter is not encouraging violence. >> the reality is this is a peaceful human rights movement
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led by incredibly courageous black people. i think we're demanding justice and freedom for our people. >> a lot to discuss with cnn political commentator and and contributing op-ed writer for "the new york times." terry, you actually agree with a lot of what mayor giuliani said. is it your belief that black lives matter movement is selective in where their outrage is, that they're not focusing on so-called black on black crime? >> yes. i have had this conversation with many people before. the idea of protesting against something that you feel is an injustice in your community and you want to protest and change it, great. but the black lives matter movement has clearly been co-opted. it's a political movement that are very pro marxist, take down capitalism. there's a larger agenda with what black lives matter wants.
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they're using the situation with police selective outrage. >> focused on police brutality, they're not concerned about -- >> i think that's one area they've chosen to focus on. for people who are objectively looking at in -- at this, for the american people standing back and saying, okay, there's a problem, whether it's perceived or real -- obviously there's a problem. what are we going to do to solve it? they look at an organization that says they're going to cause all these problems, all these protests. many of them have gotten completely out of control. to protest something that is actually quite rare. police shootings of black men in this country is very rare. statistics prove that. yet they have ginned this up in a way that has created this anti-police environment. yet you look at somewhere like chicago. in baltimore five people were shot on the street corner, blacks, in baltimore. this happens on a regular basis. 64 people shot in chicago. 2,000 people have been shot in chicago, majority black folks,
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just this year alone. black lives matter is not making that as much of a priority. that's where the epidemic is. not dismissing the other problems of racism. but if it's going to be about black lives matter, it should be all black lives matter. >> black lives matter protest in chicago. this is actually taped, not live images, from a few minutes ago. michael in your "new york times" op-ed, several black-on-black shootings in places like chicago is not known as black-on-black crime but neighbor-to-neighbor and some use it to diffuse the black lives matter focus. >> right. i think she's complaining that the oncologist is not the ent doctor. everybody has a specialty. everybody focuses on things that are problematic to them. the entire body has to be dealt with. people look specifically at particular arenas and areas in life. number one. number two, 84% of white people murdered are murdered by white people. 93% of black people are murdered by black people.
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it's not black on black crime or white on white crime. it's neighbor-to-neighbor carnage. people kill where they live. if you want integrated killing you have to have integrated communities. people tend to kill where they nest. as a result of that, the extraordinary pressures on these communities lead to the undeniable carnage we see. police brutality is done in the name of the state. what she's forgetting here is when jamal or whoever hurt each other in the neighborhood, when they are found they are usually held to account. police people wear a badge and a gun as the extension of the logic and authority of the state and most of them, when they are held to account or we attempt to hold them to account, they are not put in jail as a result of what they have done. look, in the '70s, 3,000 cops -- cops have done misdeeds to 3,000 black people. so much so that their police department in philly was put into receivership. there is instance after instance of lethal police brutality. not just police-involved shootings.
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it's the culture of violence. it's the dismissal. it's the racial profiling. it's looking at them through a distorted prism. that's the problem. black lives matter does not foment violence. it attempts to acknowledge it in one sense and to diagnose it at the level of the state. >> let me get back to tara. black lives matter website has a list of what they say are major misconceptions about the movement. number one misconception, they say, quote, the movement doesn't care about black-on-black crime. the idea that black-on-black crime is not a topic of conversation is false. in chicago, high rights of interracial murder, members of community create the disrupters. there are a lot of protests in chicago to stop violence. >> absolutely. >> perhaps. but that's not black lives matter's focus. the whole moniker bothers me. all lives matter. when i see these things happen
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or injustice happen or people are killed unjustly, i look at the situation and say, you know, your life matters. and that moniker bothers me to begin with. but the point is, anderson, they put a priority on an area that is not necessarily the area that's costing black lives. let's say we stand back and say, okay. we stop. we acknowledge there's racism in police departments. absolutely i acknowledge that. do i think that's overwhelmingly the situation? no. if we were to take away every single black life taken by a police officer in one year, it's about 112 to 120. that doesn't put a dent in the amount of black folks that are killing each other in the thousands. that's why i feel like it's misplaced anger. we need to focus on all of it. >> michael, let me ask you about what tara said, about the idea -- slogan, black lives matter as opposed to all lives matter. why is it important to say black lives matter, not all lives matter, in your opinion? >> imagine if we lived in a heterosexual culture.
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i know that's hard to do. imagine people said day lives matter. wait a minute, heterosexual lives matter, too. we know that. it mitigates against the gay sexuality. all we're saying is that black lives matter, too. we know white lives matter. we know this culture is built upon the premise of white supremacy, protection of law and the supreme court saying that white men had no reason to value the lives of black people. it is written literally in the supreme court. so we have to say black lives matter because we don't understand that they do. we're not suggesting that no one else's lives matter. we're saying we want to matter as well as other lives, which already manifestly matter. and then about tara's argument that if we stopped the focus on police brutality then the overwhelming consideration would be these communities. first of all, as you've already indicated, anderson, these people -- i have participated in
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marches in chicago, detroit and in chicago where people are concerned about so-called interracial violence. number two, what's interesting is that they are concerned about this issue in the context of state authority and police brutality is part of it. that's why martin luther king jr. made it a significant item in his 1963 march on washington. >> we've got to -- >> you misunderstood me. i didn't say stop focus on police brutality. i said if we were able to stop all police murders of black men in this country -- >> murder is one thing, brutality as well. >> the point is -- >> racial profiling. all those things matter as well. >> come up with a solution. i haven't heard what those are. >> they have them. look at their website. listen to the people. don't demonize them. don't dismiss them or marginalize them. >> these protests are not helping at all. >> you're mad that the naacp is not the urban league. they all have different reasons for their existence. >> they've got to root out the people saying "death to police officers," "f the police" "gd white america."
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which all things that came out of black lives matter -- >> that's like saying because white christianity has a few nuts therefore we're going to get rid of jesus? no. >> let her -- >> but you are -- we are talking about a movement that -- >> black lives matter is -- >> police officers being assassinated. >> no, no, no. wait a minute. >> let him respond. >> people who are dying are not police officers. they are people of color in the streets who are dying at the hands of the police. >> actually, it's white americans that are overwhelming dying at the hands of police officers. if you look at the stats. >> i'm talking about black people who are murdered -- >> they're murdered by their own. they're murdered by their own by thousands. >> why aren't white women cop killing black people? why aren't latino cops killing black people? >> they are. >> the overwhelming majority of people who are cops who kill are white men. that's the thing you've got to address. >> michael dyson, tara, we'll talk to you throughout the next two hours. more on the protests across the country. the latest on the investigation in dallas, including new details of the evidence found at the shooter's
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we have seen several arrests on the streets in atlanta. pablo sandoval joins us now from atlanta. where exactly are you and what are you seeing around you? >> reporter: this would be the buckhead region, city's north side, the retail hub for the
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city of atlanta. a lot of upscale stores and restaurants. that's the reason why black lives matter organization specifically staged this protest here. only minutes ago, anderson, did we witness atlanta police officers that essentially cut off this march making its way on a public street. as a result we watched as officers began to move in and began plucking out certain protesters, certain of these demonstrators. we heard from atlanta's mayor early on who said that this is a delicate balance, anderson, that they want to allow people to exercise their first amendment rights, be able to protest and call for what they believe is much-needed reform. however, stay off the actual streets and highways. that's what we witnessed as several hundred of these protesters started at one of the local marta stations, basically local transport system and made their way on to the streets. what we're seeing as a result is atlanta police making their way on to the streets and begin to make arrests.
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we've counted at least -- officer telling us to be sure to stay on the sidewalk here. obviously, the law applying to us here. we counted at least a dozen arrests or so. all of them in that bus as they begin to scale back. what's left of the marchers, they continue on. the main theme, what they're asking for, anderson, is accountability. i tried to talk to as many people as i can, to see what message they want to really make its way throughout the city and really throughout the country. that is accountability. not just in the departments here, police departments here in georgia but also throughout the country. anderson? >> polo sandoval, back to dallas. large part of the city remain a crime scene as investigators do their work. when president obama arrives tomorrow, he will, by all accounts, find a city in mourning. as we said, services throughout the week for the five officers killed. obviously, there are difficult days ahead for weeks and months ahead, years for their families and fellow officers. tonight there are new details about some of the evidence
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collected at the shooting scene and from the shooter's home. the shooter's parents are speaking out for the first time. ed lavendera has the latest. >> reporter: dallas police officers are piecing together 137 hours of body cam video, dash cam footage and surveillance camera footage to determine how the deadly attack unfolded. dallas police chief david brown said investigators are working to confirm that the killer acted alone. >> we're going to follow every lead until it's exhausted, until i am satisfied this was a lone person. >> reporter: analyzing the killer's weapons seized on the scene and in his home. law enforcement officials tell us the attacker had two hand guns and an assault-style rifle and was wearing a bullet proof vest. the weapons appear to be legally purchased, some bought online. but there are still questions about what his plans were for explosives found in his home. >> there was a large stockpile.
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one of the bomb teches called me at home to describe his concern of how large a stockpile of bomb-making materials he had. >> reporter: there are still questions about the letters "rb" that the killer wrote in his own blood inside the community college where he was killed. >> i think that this killer, obviously, had some delusion. there was quite a bit of rambling in the journal that's hard to decipher. >> i love my son with all my heart. i hate what he did. >> reporter: his parents speaking out in an interview with the blaze. his mother says he left the military after six years, highly disillusioned. calling him a good son. >> the idea he thought our government -- what he thought the military represented, it just didn't live up to his expectations. >> reporter: all this, as protesters took to the streets across the country this weekend with more than 300 arrests.
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in atlanta, thousands shut down major highways. in st. paul, minnesota, some protesters threw rocks and molotov cocktails at officers. in baton rouge, police in riot gear took on protesters and this photo of aeyesha evans, mother from pennsylvania, standing in the street as baton rouge officers rushed in to arrest her. that photo has gone viral on social media. chief brown is addressing the protests today. >> don't be part of the problem. we're hiring. we're hiring. get off that protest line and put an application in. >> ed lavendera joins us now. you're learning more about the shooter's background? >> reporter: we've obtained some high school records that show the killer in this case graduated near the bottom of his class with a 1.98 gpa. we also learned from a federal law enforcement source going
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back to the issue of the bomb explosives that were recovered inside his house, according to this federal law enforcement source, it was about 3 1/2 pounds of explosive material, including smokeless powder, black powder and a material called tanerite. >> ed, thank you very much. donald trump returns since the ambush to the campaign trail, saying he's the law and order candidate. plus, possible clues in terms of who donald trump will name this week as his running mate. ou need advice for your business, legalzoom has your back. our trusted network of attorneys has provided guidance to over 100,000 people just like you. visit legalzoom today. the legal help you can count on. legalzoom. legal help is here. ♪ ♪
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as we turn to politics tonight, politics' focus, as we all are, are focused on these scenes. tonight chicago and tragically dallas last week. with a week to go until the start of the republican convention, donald trump is back on the campaign trail, party's
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presumptive nominee held a rally in virginia beach, the first since the five police officers were killed in dallas. when talking about the tragedy, donald trump took a tough tone. jim acosta reports. >> reporter: donald trump seized on the attack on police officers in dallas as a turning point in the campaign. >> it's time for hostility against our police and against all members of law enforcement to end and end immediately. right now. >> reporter: presenting voters with a critical choice. >> i am the law and order candidate. hillary clinton, on the other hand, is weak, ineffective, pandering and, as proven by her recent e-mail scandal, she is either a liar or grossly incompetent. one or the other. very simple. >> after delaying his attacks on clinton in the aftermath of the carnage in dallas, he returned
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to bashing the former secretary of state over her use of a private e-mail server. >> crooked hillary clinton is the secretary of the status quo. wherever hillary clinton goes, scandal follows. >> reporter: the clinton campaign appeared ready for the attacks, highlights trump's past comments, seemingly supporting some of the world's worst actors. >> saddam hussein was a bad guy, right? do you know what he did well? he killed terrorists. he did that so good. >> reporter: but at an event for veterans in virginia, trump had backup. >> we need to stand behind the men and women in blue in this country. >> reporter: just as trump is in the final days of selecting a running mate, new jersey governor chris christie was ripping into clinton, too. >> that's not a person who will stand for the rule of law. that's a person who will stand for the rule of her. >> reporter: sources familiar with trump's vice presidential search says christie has been fully vetted. but there are other apparent
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finalists. mike pence, indiana governor, is said to be high on the short list. and former house speaker newt gingrich is lobbying for the spot. pence will be with trump in indiana tuesday. >> i'm prepared to make that case across indiana and anywhere across the country that donald trump would want me to. >> reporter: just days after trump auditioned gingrich in ohio. >> newt has been my friend for a long time. in one form or another, newt gingrich is going to be involved with our government. >> reporter: others in the hunt may be losing their luster. retired general mike flynn who was under consideration said he was in favor of abortion rights over the weekend. >> i think women have to be able to choose what they -- you know, sort of the right of choice. >> reporter: then today, he seemed to flip, describing himself as a pro-life democrat. >> jim acosta joins us now. donald trump is scheduled to appear at a rally with governor pence tomorrow. >> reporter: that's right, anderson. as for that rally with mike pence tomorrow, there are
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rumblings back in indiana that he could be the odds-on favorite for donald trump's vice presidential running mate. they're scrambling to find a replacement for pence, running for re-election as governor of that state. he has to decide by friday whether he wants to be trump's vice president. state law in indiana does not allow mike pence to run for both of those jobs. today's audition with chris christie was sort of unusual. they weren't really photographed together. though there is plenty of footage of them together in the past. anderson, for donald trump picking chris christie would be the ultimate doubling down, whereas selecting mike pence would be the an attempt to calm things down in the republican party. >> jim, thanks. >> a lot to discuss on the political panel joining us is christine quinn, tara sethmeyer is back. and corey lieuen do you -- lewandowski. let's talk about donald trump today at the rally.
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he had prepared remarks from a teleprompter, on message. is that the donald trump that the hillary clinton campaign should be most worried about? >> it's the donald trump that the donald trump campaign wants to present in a time of crisis, in this country. i think what they want is a candidate that's not so hot. they want a candidate that's a little calmed down so they can appeal to a broader base. that's why he's reading off a prompter. what he said, look, i'm the law and order candidate, something he has been saying all along. but he also added i am a candidate of compassion. so, he's trying to kind of walk that line because at this time in our country, you need somebody who can calm people down and not rile people up. and that's what leadership is at this point. and i think they're aware of it. >> cory, when you were with the campaign you famously said, according to reports, let trump be trump. are you concerned seeing trump on a teleprompter with remarks like this, that some of the fire
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maybe is not there and maybe that's what a lot of supporters want to see? >> i don't think so. what you see with donald trump, even if he's reading off a teleprompter, those are his own words, his own thoughts. what you saw today was a very specific ten-point plan on how to reform the va, something near and dear to his heart. he has talked a lot about the need for veterans, how to give them better care. what you see is a ten-point strategy, very specific and outlined. what he also talked about was the need to bring the country together. we were in dallas three weeks ago. and we had got to know some of those officers. not the ones specifically killed but members of that dallas police department. i had the privilege of talking to one of the elected senior officials there, dallas police department, one of the senior members of that department today. they said to me, thank you, mr. trump, for standing with us. not just today but throughout your entire campaign. he has been the candidate who has supported law enforcement from day one. >> how does it work in the campaign in terms of whether donald trump is going to give, you know, a speech that he pulls out of his pocket with a couple
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of bullet points which is how "the wall street journal" reported he gave a lot of his speeches previously. or off a teleprompter and prepared remarks by somebody? >> when you have something -- he wants to make sure he can get his points across. they're very specific. you saw with the trades speech last week, with the va points this week. outlining a specific number of talking points, he wants to be able to go through and outline those points specifically and share those thoughts with everybody. you saw ten specific items today. he talked about va reform. that's where he will be using a teleprompter. when he goes to a large rally with 10,000 or 12,000 people he will have the ability to talk in a much grander way and get people fired up. it's much more reserved in this -- >> tara, we've seen trump use a teleprompter before and go off days later, sometimes hours later. >> going off is an understatement. we saw two speeches last week that were messes, you know, about ten minutes were good substance and then the rest -- talking about his hair and air force one and golfing.
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>> mosquito. >> mosquitos. it was a mess. it was two days where hillary clinton was on the ropes with the fbi issue, with james comey coming out. even though he didn't recommend prosecution, but he indicted her pretty badly as far as her credibility on her e-mail scandal and donald trump chose not to, what i call, offer the death blows that many republicans wished he would have on message. so, they are clearly looking at this situation saying, okay, we have to bring it back in. we're a week before or less now from the convention. you have got to -- they've got to control this. >> but christine, to her point, donald trump did pivot back to hillary clinton today, calling her the secretary of status quo, hitting her hard over the e-mail scandal, which probably, for his supporters, is a wise thing. there was "washington post" abc poll saying 56% of the american
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people disagree with the fbi not to charge with her. >> and that americans believe that the presidential campaign is adding to the division in this country. we've spent more time in this presidential campaign talking about whether donald trump will commit to reading from a teleprompter. i've said this before, but being able to read off of a screen is a credential for third grade, not for the white house. and today in his speech, what he proposed was moving towards privatizing the v.a., 64% of veterans oppose. this is a man who said on the record that he opposes the post 9/11 g.i. bill. this is not a man who is a friend of veterans. we lose that when we spend so much time on whether he can stay on message, which we we know he is constitutionally incapable of doing..
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>> here is what we've seen with donald trump. what we saw last summer was he came out with a plan for the veteran's affairs administration. this has been an utter disaster under the clinton administration, under b the obama administration. the wait times are continuing to increase. what he said was if you've served our country and you want to go to a hospital and you want to get care, the full faith, if the you're a veteran, you can go to any hospital and go to any hospital and receive care. that's not privatization. that's good care for our veterans. in vermont, we have no va. they should be able to go to any hospital that gets federal funding and walk in if they have a cold or major health issue -- >> these are the kinds of issues republicans want to hear trump talking about. we would much rather hear these discussions about privatizing the va, those are winning issues for the republicans because democrats have done such a poor
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job. and what happened with the va, not only under this administration, it's been a chronic rob for a while. but when you stay on issues like this, we won't be talking about tell prompters and all kinds of things. >> his adviser asked by "the wall street journal" today, are you moving towards privatizing the v is a, donald trump's advisers have said yes. this is the same man who accused of veterans of stealing money. >> we're going to return to dallas, where tears are being shed, not just for lives lost, but also for the gratitude for lives saved by police officers. we'll owner their stories with so much on the line 37
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. candlelight vigil is getting under way at city hall plaza in dallas tonight. the theme, dallas strong. the sentiment to give thanks to police for the job they do and the job they did thursday night. martin savage has some of their story. >> is shatamia had a front row seat to terror and horror. >> we heard a shot and we all looked. we didn't know what it was. she had brought her sons to see a peaceful protest thursday night. she heard the first shots and saw the first to fall. >> as he was going down, he said, he has a gun, run. >> the wounded officer's warning sent the family fleeing. as she runs, a bullet hits her leg.. going down, she instinctively grabs and covers her nearest child. moments later, a human shield of
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blue forms around them. >> and the officer jumped on top of me and covered me and my son. and there was another one at our feet and there was another one over our heads. and there were several of them lying against the wall. >> then came more shots and more sacrifice. >> saw another officer get shot in front of me. >> shot behind a car, photographer robert moore also witnessed courage. it came running. >> that officer ran into a place where there was live fire in order to cover me and the two officers that i was next to who only had small arms fire. he -- he is really the focus of the story. >> moore never got the officer's name, but he did get a photo. >> we may never know the names of all the heros, but they all had one thing in common.
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they all wore blue. and the people they saved will never forget them. >> i had never seen anything like that. the way they just came around us and just guarded us like that. >> martin savage joins us thou. we haven't heard the officers stories from them directly. is that intentional on the part of the department? >> yeah. the reason for that is there are many officers, of course, who did heroic deeds. but the police force is still having to decipher exactly what happened. it is a huge crime scene and they were going through it methodically. they have hundreds of videos to look at. so it will probably be some sometime, but hopefully the heros all will be known, anderson. >> martin savage, martin, thanks. we also, of course, want to know as much as we can about those who lost their lives, those who were killed by the shooter. one of those heros, officers
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