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single community, being bigger than the fight. >> absolutely. in fact, we can probably look to washington last. this is a local and state issue. >> unfortunately. >> a lot of news this morning. let's get to ana cabera. keep it coming. we need more positive stories. >> yeah. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," the frenzy at a fever pitch. >> i'm thinking about two. >> who has what it takes to be trump's running mate. plus, real problems, a deep division. president obama speaks out after his meeting with police and community activists. >> i think it is fair to say we will see more tension between police and communities this month, next month, next year. >> what happens next? let's talk, in the cnn "newsroom." good morning, thanks for
being here, i'm in for carol costello. donald trump, master showman, ratchets up his political intrigue, of what may be the most single important decision of his campaign. who will be his running mate. we're keeping a close eye on the apprentice type moment. will it be indiana governor mike pence, former house speaker newt gingrich or chris christie, or trump being trump, could there be a shocker. his advisors are torn, but promising the big reveal in an announcement tomorrow morning. this as the republican convention looms just a few days away. we are covering all of the angles as this drama intensifies. let's begin with cnn sunlin. >> reporter: we are here in this big empty room right now, right outside indianapolis, because governor mike pence will be here later this morning, a tenlding to actually some governmental
duties an economic meeting. potentially feeling the weight of this moment as his future potentially as donald trump's vice-presidential running mate hangs in the balance, it seems he took sometime to clear his head. he left the governor's mansion, off for a bike ride. taking a quiet moment with his wife this morning. now, of course, this is as the day that donald trump is anticipated to make his decision. donald trump out in california right now. it is interesting to see how he is kind of worked through what qualifications he is looking for in a vice-president. for so long, he has been saying he wants someone who is an attack dog, a fighter, but then yesterday, he shift aid bit and said this. >> i'm not looking for an attack dog. frankly, i'm looking for somebody that really understands what we're talking about, because i would rather have be on policy. i've said that to you before. people think of me as an attacker, but i would rather be
talking about policy. >> now we have also recently heard from newt gingrich, who of course is one of the finalists being considered as well. it was interesting to hear him last night in an interview really talk about how after a meeting with donald trump here in indianapolis for two and a half hours yesterday, he walked away with the impression that it is down to himself and governor mike pence. and he really tried to align himself, i thought, with donald trump's personality. of course, both men known for their brass styles. here is what he had to say. >> in many ways, donald trump is like a pirate, outside the normal system. he gets things done. he is bold. he is actually like a fig oure t of a movie. i've taken on the establishment of both party, i've been prepared to fight in the media. one of the hard questions he has to weigh on the way to california, do you really want a two pirate ticket. >> now, as both these men and potentially some other and
potentially women wait to hear the verdict coming from donald trump, donald trump is out in california on a fundraising swing, again, that announcement said from the trump campaign to be tomorrow at 11 in new york city. ana. >> all right, maty. sunlin, we appreciate it. show business, has donald trump all over it. the republic national convention taking shape and we got a list of the speakers. a potential springboard for the party's rising stars and also the first solid clue of what the republicans want to say to you, to americans. cnn's phil mattingly in cleveland. there is quite the ecclectic list. >> this was going to be a different convention than what we're used to. not just because the 2012 nominee, mitt romney, or the 43rd president of the united states, george w. bush, they're not coming, but the cross-section of speakers, they're different.
now, you do have traditional politicians. you've got ted cruz, a very serious opponent of donald trump during the primary. he is speaking. joni ernst, a rising star. governor scott walker, another top rising star in the republican party. they're all speaking. rather traditional. but look who is also speaking at this convention. you have sports stars like tim tebow natalie golas, antonio sabato, jr. this will be a very different convention. a cross-section of people. it wasn't going to be as one told me a boring stale political speaker that we've seen over the last couple of decades, and they're making good on that promise one of the traditional comments pointing out, how they're going to be rolling this out. there will be themes to each day. themes to each segment. they really want to focus on national security, immigration,
and the economy. but another important element. all of donald trump's older children will be speaking at this convention. as will his wife. the family man of donald trump, one that a lot of republican whose talk to donald trump note is very important to them, that will be on display and why is that important, ana, think back to 2012. ann romney's speech at the convention was really considered one of the most important moments of that entire convention. one of the most humanizing of mitt romney. we'll get a lot of that at this convention, but some wildcards as well. >> she has been rather mysterious. hasn't said much. i want to bring in a couple of our panelists right now, doug hye, jeffrey lord, a tripump supporters, and guys, before we come to you, we're getting new reporting about this possible running mate for trump. we've seen it play out in the past 24 hours like a circus.
well, now a senior advisor is telling jim acosta, trump's head is leaning toward pence. so we'll see exactly what unfolds in the next 24 hours, because anything can happen. we're talking about trump here. i really want to ask, jeffrey, what we've seen in terms of this race to get a running mate. i mean, it really has been like a race, a media circus, a reality tv show when you see his plane has a problem, he stays in indiana, his kids rush to get there, he meets with governor pence, newt gingrich says he wants to be in the race. donald trump holds these meetings behind closed doors. have you ever seen anything play out like this? >> well, i think that everything in indiana was caused by of all things, a popped plane tire. >> oh, come on. it has trump all over it. you don't think he was trying to create drama? >> well, sure, i think he is a
showman and all of that, but this has been very methodical. he does have people that has done this kind of thing before. there is a vetting process going on. he has met with a number of people. this has been going on before. we are down to the wire. i think your information may be correct here on governor pence. i don't know for a fact. i'm a newt guy. i hope he goes with the pirate ticket tomorrow. but we will have to see. but we're getting down to the time when decision is going to be made, and donald trump gets to make that decision. >> doug, as you know, typically the vice-presidential pick and what leads up to that happens behind closed doors. there is a lot of secrecy typically. what does this tell you about how he would govern. >> what we've seen about donald trump as a candidate. he is a showman, all about getting attention for himself. he can say that's good or bad. that's the reality. it is the donald trump show. it has been for a year. so it shouldn't be too surprising what we've seen over
the past week is a continuation of that. >> and of course, the three favorites, i want to bring them back up, pence, gingrich and christie. what has been predictable about trump is his unpredictabilitunp. could it be somebody different? >> in all candor, ana, i have absolutely no idea. >> oh, come on. give us your secrets. >> i tend to think personally that it is one of these three people. i do. but is it possible that there is somebody else waiting in the wings, that's possible too. but you know, they've done this vetting, they go through this process. vice-presidential nominations are today a whole lot more organized than they were, i worked for ronald reagan, that was supposed to be president ford as his running mate at the convention, and at the last minute, ronald reagan decided no, and turned around and said get george bush on the phone. it was done a lot differently
than it is today, which in spite of all the showman ship, it is much more methodical. >> we have so much social media, which really revs up the spin. >> the chatter is immense. >> a lot of chatter for sure. let's talk about the speaker list that came out this morning. it has a lot of different names from celebrities like tim teb bo -- at the bow, mitch mcconnell, your thoughts, doug? >> well, you know, i'm most excited to see what paul ryan has to say. i thought the forum he had with jake tapper was probably the best he espausel. the rest of the side show, whether it is tim tebow or someone else, maybe good for the apprentice, but not necessarily a top shelf speaker.
that's fine for the showbiz aspect, but what paul ryan has about the direction, really will demonstrate the uniyin and yang >> silicon valley entrepreneur, and will be a better front to the lgbt community than hillary clinton. i want to talk about what is on the republican platform when it comes to lgbt issues. this is something that has parked a lot of debate, heated debate as it met this week. take a look at this. the party opposes same sex marriage rights, restricts bathrooms to birth gender. supports parents right to choose so-called sexual conversion therapy for minors. jeffrey, does this fly with donald trump? >> well, sure, sure. i think donald trump is very much a traditional guy. i mean, he has got his positions
on this staked out. this doesn't mean hostility. there is a difference between saying that you want bathrooms to be men and women and that sort of thing, and being hostile here. i mean, heavens, we had this terrible, terrible situation in orlando, where somebody who was devoted to radical islam, which is quite hostile, i mean seriously hostile to gays, went in and murdered 49 people in cold blood. i mean, we do have to have a sense of proportion here. >> doug, what happened to that 2012 autopsy pledge to be more inclusive? >> yeah, unfortunately, it got completely ignored by a lot of the candidates, i lot of members of congress and certainly a lot of the voters who want to see republicans fight more but don't necessarily have a plan to win. having worked on naming members of the platform committee and planning for the convention in the past when i was at the rnc, it is an important document for
the party, but not something any voter in any swing state will look at and make their decision on the presidential race. >> that's right. >> or congressional races at all. it is an important document for republicans, important document for democrats, it is not a voting issue for voters. >> that's right. i've worked on these myself a couple of times. you put a lot of work into them and then the minute the convention is over, attention moves on. so you know, i -- >> who raised the fine print. >> agree with him. >> all right, doug, jeffrey, thanks to both of you. >> thank you. still to come, from the race discussion at the white house to your house, next. one white mother tells us what black lives matters means to her and her african-american children. sound) and look ben is going for more buffalo cauliflower. (mind-blowing sound) everybody's a veggie lover now. what do you think? (mind-blowing sound) mind blown. bird's eye flavor full.
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rights leaders to discuss the problem with race in our country. this meeting ended with a stark prediction from obama. more anger and more unrest is likely to come. cnn's athena jones joins from the white house. what did this accomplish? >> reporter: good morning. that's a good question. let's start with the prediction you mentioned from the president, and we'll talk about it on the other side. go ahead and play that. >> sadly, because this is a huge country that is very diverse and we have a lot of police departments, i think it is fair to say that we will see more tension between police and communities this month, next month, next year for quite sometime. >> reporter: so the president's words there, i don't think were meant to shock or provoke fear. i think he was acknowledging the
fact that this is an issue that has a long history and deep roots, and won't be solved overnight. and you asked what the meeting, this four-hour meeting with 40 participants accomplished. i would say it was a chance for everyone to come together, share ideas. we heard from the president in dallas, saying how inadequate words can be. what needs to happen is action. this meeting is about what actions can be taken. i mentioned a lot of participants, not only members of the administration, for instance, from the department of justice, attorney general loretta lynch and others, but also civil rights activists, faith leaders, law enforcement agencies, among others. a lot of people offering a lot of different perspectives. they didn't all agree on everything, but the were he is did spell out a few areas were there was broad agreement. i'll tell you some of them. the need to build confidence after officers use force. if there is a situation, an accusation of excessive use of force or deadly force, they
wants to make sure investigations are being carried out fairly. police training and hiring processes. one of the recommendations of the 21st century policing task force the police pulled together is promote diversity in these police departments across the country. so that's one thing they discussed. another area that there is agreement on is the need to fix data collection issues. this is so that different law enforcement agencies across the country can collect data to help them not just to manage the police force, but what is working. one more thing the president said is this has to be a long and sustained conversation. as i mentioned, this is not a new conversation, not a new problem and it won't be resolved overnight. >> athena, thank you. the son of alton sterling will meet at the white house this morning. that's being taped this afternoon. family spokesman said he'll ask the president a question during the town hall event. cameron's father, as you know,
was killed last week in baton rouge, louisiana, during a confrontation with police. that shooting is still under investigation by the justice department. a funeral procession about to get underway next hour to remember philando castile in minnesota. governor mark dayton will be in st. paul. castile was shot and killed by police one week ago during a traffic stop, and those moments after the shooting were live streamed by castile's girlfriend who was also a passenger in the car. one week after that brutal police ambush in dallas, family, friends and fellow officers will say goodbye to sergeant michael smith. this married, father of two was one of five killed in the attack. take a look at the scene yesterday, as thousands turned out to honor three of the other victims, officer brent thompson's widow, talked about her pain at his funeral, and had this message for the force. >> though i'm heartbroken and
hurt, i'm going to put on my badge and my uniform and return to the street, along with all of my brothers and sisters in blue. to the coward that tried to break me and my brothers and sisters, know your hate made us stronger. >> it is hard to watch some of those moments. some very influential sports figures want to help change things. they've joined this call to action, urging communities to end gun violence. this is what it looked like as lebron james, dwayne wade, carmelo anthony and chris paul took the stage at the annual espy awards. this group says it is time to end racial profiling, and they believe athletes must do more to usher in change. >> let's use this moment as a call to action for all professional athletes to educate ourselves, explore these issues. speak up. use our influence, and renounce
all violence. and most importantly, go back to our communities, and invest our time, our resources, help rebuild them, help strengthen them, help change them. we all have to do better. >> some viewers criticized the groups comments. others praised the players for trying to use their influence for positive change. here is the real perception in america right now. according to the new york times, race relations are considered as bad as they've been in decades. really since the rodney king riots back in 1992. this poll finds 69% of americans say race relations are bad. so how do we talk about race with our kids? my next guess, rachel garlighouse, a white mother who adopted three african-american children and recently wrote an article about what black lives matters means to her. rachel, welcome to the show.
>> thank you for having me. >> thanks for being here. in your article, when i say black lives matter, my first point of reference is my children. i know through your children, you have experienced, just a slice maybe of what it is like to be in the shoes of black people. walk us through the racism you've seen first hand and tell us how it has made you feel. >> absolutely. so when i published the article, i really wanted to convey the fact that though i have white privilege, of course, and have my entire life, that once i became a mother through adopt n adoption, the privilege has begun to melt away because i live through their experiences. two examples i cited was one about six months after ferguson happened, my girls were riding bikes in the driveway, i was standing there, checking my email and a young man drove past our house and yelled the n world at my girls. at that moment, i wanted to throw up, pass out, freak out. i mean, i really didn't know what to do. so i called my best friend, who is also a mother, by trans
racial adoption and we ended up calling the police, and we did find the gentleman who did it. and then another incident was when my son, who is a pretty big boy, had just turned two years old. an acquaintance mentioned how big he was and how much he had grown. i said yeah, he is a really big boy. she said he is a quote, cute little thug. again, it just broke my heart. i thought he is baby, yet he is being perceived as this future criminal. >> perhaps she said it without realizing how offensive and how incentive it was. how did you respond? >> unfortunately, i did not respond in the way i think should have. i just looked at her. i was completely speechless. i didn't know what to say. and this again was right around the time ferguson, we live about 20 minutes from ferguson and all of this was going on in the media. i think things are coming out of people's mouths that they're thinking now, less filter, and she just said it. and i just sat there stunned. i really did not know what to
say to her. >> let's listen to what one presidential candidate had to say about how race might affect family dynamics. listen. >> let's put ourselves in the shoes of african-americans and latinos and try as best as we can to imagine what it would be like if we had to have the talk with our kids about how carefully they need to act. >> how do you talk about race with your children? i imagine it might be a more difficult conversation in your household, since you haven't experienced exactly what they're going through. >> in the case of families like mine, where we adopt trans ra racially, a lot of things in your home that help you, you know to surround yourself with black media, for example, where you can learn about the perspective of the american american community, but also, we have a mentor for our girls, and we'll have one for our son when
he is old enough so we can have conversations with her about how to handle this. i even have conversations with the people who braid my girls hair, who cut my son's hair about how i handle the situations. i did not grow up as a black person and i'm not going to be a black person, it is helpful to talk to them and they can help guide me. >> in your article, you also write with each passing video op-ed article and social media debate, i grew more anxious, in few fureated, i stand with paris, had nothing to stay about alton sterling, they didn't make a peep about treyvon martin, rice or gardener. it's interesting, because if you're being honest with yourself, do you think you would feel the same way if you didn't have your adopted children? >> no, i absolutely don't think so.
i think that i learned what a lot of us did in textbooks about african-americans, you know. we hit on mlk, but that was about the extent of what we learned. myself and fellow black students, white students, that's what we learned. black students, of course, had experience, which i did not have. so i think no, i wouldn't be having these conversations, and thinking about these things quite as much if i weren't raising black children. probably not. >> how do you get the attention of the friends, then, who don't know what it is like or don't feel like this is something that affects them? >> the thing that i have found most effective, because i've struggled allot personally about how to be involved in black lives matter, which i fully support, but how also to educate my friends in a way that doesn't turn people off, and for me, it is writing these articles. yesterday, i got very, very many messages from people saying, hey, saw your article from a friend of a friend of a friend
of a friend and it starts circulating, and i feel like that's my gift is to write. so therefore, maybe the thing i meant to do at this point is to just write and share experiences and that will be my place right now. >> well, rachel, thanks for doing your part and thanks for sharing with us today. >> thank you for having me. i appreciate it. >> we appreciate it very much. still to come, as donald trump dominates the talk about his running mate selection, hillary clinton hits the trail with the man some say is the front-runner to join her ticket.
short list, is booker, tim kaine and elizabeth warren. kaine is slated to travel with her. this as a new ad released, questioning trump's suitability as a role model for kids. watch. >> i love the old days. you know what they used to do with guys like
that. they would be carried out on a stretcher, folks. and you can tell them to go [ bleeping ] themselves. i could stand in the middle of fifth and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose voters. >> our children and grandchildren will look back at this time, at this choices we are about to make, the goals we will strive for, the principles we will live by. >> a new take. here to discuss, josh rogan, "washington post" and teheran
rosenkrantz. who do you think she's trying to appeal to with this ad? >> i think the clinton campaign has to respond to just what has been overwhelming mud slinging from the trump campaign and they've gone about that in a few ways. first of all, they're painting trump as a threat, which is to appeal to democrats and their base. it is not a point that republicans are likely
to agree with or independents for that matter. then they're trying to make the moral eye ground by appealing to minorities, with whom trump is polling very low levels, especially in swing states. >> do you think it is an effective ad. >> i do. i think there is a risk though. by going negative this early and by taking these sort of drastic measures to paint trump as a threat to american democracy, it doesn't leave you much room. the question is will she stay negative that long or turn back to why she is running and why she is the best candidate for president. >> clinton has out spent trump already in media and ads like this.
40-1. and yet, recent polls show there is a very, very tight race. so how effective are these ads, really? >> well, i think obviously this one is just come out. but i do this what is happening here is obviously trump is using earned media in a different way, right. he is saying these outlandish statements and getting it out there. what she has to d and why she has to spend this money is that she has to get the truth about him out. looking at that video that came out over the weekend that had 11 million views of the small business owner that talked about trump's business practices, these are things she'll have to do to get out there and to really kind of expose the truth about him. and so i think that will take time. because it is quick and easy for trump to sort of say this one comment, and then get a lot of attention for it. so she's going to have to have a strategy to kind of hit out the truth in a different way for them. >> we're seeing a lot of polls coming out now. yesterday, we talked about the quinnipiac polls from the swing states of ohio, pennsylvania,
and florida. there you see them. the one that was really catching a lot of attention was the numbers from florida, because it was a stark change from what we had seen a month ago there, where clinton had a strong lead, and now trump has taken the lead there. some good news for the clinton camp. in a new monmouth poll, clinton with a double digit lead in colorado. i mention florida and colorado, because they both have large hispanic populations. we know clinton will address the hispanic group today, both sides of the aisle need it in november. what is clinton's message today? >> very simple. clinton message is trump plans on immigration and trump's statements against latino populations and latino judges are, just should be a litmus test for latino voters. it remains to be seen. they're very diverse and doesn't always vote the same way. at the same time, when we look at the polls, we have to remember these were taken during clinton's worst week, right, when the justice department was
accusing her of lying about her e-mail scandal. so this is a really snapshot in time of what we're going to see, we're going to see the republican convention will trump will get a bump, then the clinton convention, where she'll get a bump, then a settling and we'll see where they stand. >> yet there is this new gallop poll and as you can see, hispanics are a lot less fearful than african-americans or even white. >> yeah it's interesting to see that. i think polls it, especially when we're trying to get those feelings at different moments in the campaign, they're going to be all over the place. but sort of getting this different groups and how they're feeling, i think, you know, we're just really getting into the heart of the general election message, and i think this is the part where people's feelings and fears are going to be increased and heightened in some ways, and in other ways, they're going to be decreased an the reality of trump and how
fundamentally unfit he is is going to come in. people will be less fearful he may win and what that means, and so it is going to be sort of parallel, if you will, to what is happening politically. i think right now, people are feeling pretty good about hillary clinton's chances to win, and so some of that fear about what will happen is starting to dissipate as well. it is interesting. or at least that's the theory at this point. >> all right, and it's been one of those elections, you just never know. josh, taryn, thanks to you both. >> thank you. it looks like something out of a zombie movie, people stumbling around in the streets. police are trying to find the source of a deadly drug they believe is linked to dozens of overdoses here in new york. (vo) my name's nick and i make dog chow in denver, colorado. one of my fondest memories of khloe is the day we got her. i knew right there she was gonna be a great dog. khloe's a big influence on the family. she loved lincoln from the start.
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dozens of people overdosed on the streets of brooklyn and now police are trying to track down the source. they're pointing to synthetic marijuana known on street as k-2 or spice. often a mixture of herbs or shredded plant manner laced with chemicals that have a similar effect to thc. a bad trip can be deadly. getting your hands on this is so easy, it's scary. let's bring in cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. what happens when people take this stuff? >> ana, like with many drugs, people originally or might at the beginning feel good, they might feel an elevated mood, a
relaxed feeling, altered perception, but then bad things often happen too. for example, increased heart rate, nausea, vomiting, panic attacks, violent behavior, seizures, coma, stroke, even death. we learn the center for disease control is putting out new numbers about people who are using k-2 and what they found is the most dramatic increase has been in the northeast part of the country. >> do we know what's in synthetic marijuana? >> we really don't because as you mentioned it's sprayed with these chemicals and it changes all the time. the folks who make it will change it and put in new chemicals sometimes to evade law enforcement. the basics of what we know is that it's a mixture of herbs and spices or shredded plants. sometimes they actually use card board. and then they lace it with these chemicals similar to thc which is the psycho active ingredient
in marijuana. there's no one recipe. they're changing these chemicals all the time. >> you know i'm based in colorado where we have the real stuff. marijuana is legal for recreational use there and yet we still have the synthetic stuff on the street everywhere. why is it so hard to get it out of people's hands? >> you know, part of it is because there's changing the constitution of it. you could say, all right, it's made out of these three ingredients and we're going to make that illegal when the producers will just change those three ingredients and make up those new ones. this is very cheap stuff we're using which is why people are using it instead of marijuana. also, it's often made outside of the united states. it's very, very hard to track down this stuff. >> and you talked about that in terms of the source. that's the bigger picture. but in terms of this investigation that we just discussed in brooklyn, do they know what the source or where the drugs are coming from?
are they sold at your convenience store? >> you know, in new york city, they made a raid, the police and others made a raid of five different stores thinking they might find the k-2 but, in fact, they didn't, so they're still searching for it. i imagine what happens is stores learn that the police are going to make a raid after a situation like this and they stop selling it and then when the attention goes down they might start selling it again. >> interesting. elizabeth cohen, thank you. still to come, for politician, it's all about what you say, so who claims they can make america again with donald trump the best? who has sold themselves the best to him?
storm. when it comes to picking his running mate, which vp nails his catchphrase best? here's jeanne moos with our make america great again challenge. >> reporter: since donald trump can't legally pick the guy in the mirror for vp, he may have to settle for one of these three. why not audition all three? let's start with how confident they sound saying this -- >> we bring you the next president of the united states, donald trump. >> the next president of the united states, donald trump. >> the next president of the united states, donald trump. >> reporter: pretty similar. jimmy fallon is already predicting how the donald will introduce his vp. >> his next person will be a footnote in history at best. >> reporter: and which of the potential footnotes got the warmest greeting from the donald? indiana governor mike pence got a handshake, a brief touch on the arm and a funny face accompanied by pointing.
newt gingrich likewise got a handshake and an arm around the back and a pat on the shoulder. but chris christie -- ♪ got a handshake and a hug. advantage christie. still the acid test is the ability to deliver the donald's core message. >> we are going to make -- >> america -- >> -- great again. >> reporter: even the donald's delivery isn't great when he's tethered to teleprompter. >> we're going to make america great again. >> reporter: how do the would be vps do? >> to borrow a phrase, make america great again. >> reporter: mike pence. >> and we can make america great again! >> reporter: newt gingrich. >> to make america great again, i'm going to be for donald trump. >> reporter: chris christie. >> and i am confident that he will make america great again. >> reporter: the donald has his work cut out for him making his vp great at delivering his signature line. >> and we are going to make america so great again.
>> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn -- >> and we can make -- >> -- america -- >> -- great again -- >> great than ever before. >> reporter: -- new york. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" begins right now. happening now in the "newsroom," veep frenzy at a fever pitch but who has what it takes to be trump's running mate? plus, real problem, a deep division. president obama speaks out after his meeting with police and community activists. >> i think it is fair to say we will see more tension between police and communities next month, next year. >> reporter: what happens next? let's talk in the "cnn newsroom." >> thanks for being here. i'm ana cabrera in for carol costello. the anticipation is growing. donald trump, consummate showman, master of suspension,
promising to reveal his choice for running mate, but that is supposed to happen 25 hours from now. so can we dredge up any clues perhaps from the presumed vp finalist? take a look at what they're all doing today. indiana governor mike pence out for a casual bike ride with his wife. don't see any clues there. here's what former house speaker newt gingrich is up to. we caught him just rolling his trash to the caurb. and new jersey governor chris christie wouldn't say anything last night at the newark train conversation. what about trump. would he offer any signs of who it will be? a senior adviser says trump is leaning towards pence but here's what he had to say last night. >> i'm narrowing it down. i mean, i'm actually potentially for but in my own mind i'm probably thinking about two. >> trump's promising the big reveal in an announcement tomorrow morning. this as the republican convention looms. it's just a few days away now. we're covering all the angles.
let's begin with cnn on the governor pence stakeout near indianapolis. sunlin, are you hearing anything out there? give us a clue. >> here, he is largely going along his regular typical businesses in indiana. he'll be speaking before an economic summit here, making prepared remarks. of course, a lot of buzz in the room about wtz potential to be donald trump's vice presidential pick. that decision still hangs in the balance. for these potential candidates in waiting, you can only imagine what an excruciating time waiting to hear. mike pence, newt gingrich, one of the final contenders according to sources. we've heard newt gingrich after he met with donald trump here in indianapolis yesterday. he said that meeting went on for 2 1/2 hours. leaving that meeting, newt gingrich said he got the impression it is indeed down to
himself and mike pence as the final two. it was interesting to see how newt gingrich kind of aligned himself with donald trump. similar brash personalities. he described himself as a pirate, which to me really rang as he was trying to contrast himself to the more mild manner of governor pence. here's what he had to say. >> in many ways, donald trump is like a pirate. he's outside the normal system. he gets things done. he's bold. he's actually like a figure out of a movie. in a lot of ways my entire career has been a little bit like a pirate. i've taken on the establishment of both parties. one of the really hard questions he's got to weigh on the way to california is do you really want a two pirate ticket. >> making their last pitches. we know donald trump is in california now on a fund-raising swing where he is expected to make his decision, of course inform his decision at some point likely today with that big announcement, the formal
announcement coming tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. in new york city. >> sounded there like newt gingrich was talking himself down and talking mike pence up, very interesting to hear those remarks. sundlen serfaty, thanks, keep us posted. donald trump has promised a little, quote, show biz in cleveland. it seems like the donald will deliver. cnn's phil mattingly is joining me from cleveland. phil, who's on the list? >> well, ana there will be some traditional speakers. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, governor of wisconsin scott walker, ted cruz, the former arch nemesis at one point of donald trump over the course of this campaign. as you noted, show biz has been promised and show biz will be delivered according to the list of speakers that has been released this morning. that will include athletes and actors. tim tebow, the former heisman trophy winner. chairman of the usc, dana white,
the ultimate fighting championships. also be an tony sab bat ta jr., actor, underwear model. what you're seeing is they're going for a cross section here. they want people that hit that traditional side of things. they also want different speakers, people that might draw the attention of viewers. >> and we care so much about it in part because it's been an election cycle that we haven't seen in recent history. the rnc rules committee typically doesn't get a ton of attention but we do know they've been meeting and there is a controversy within this group regarding a platform that some say is anti-gay and lesbian. walk us through what this controversy is all about. >> yeah, that's right, ana. the reason why there's a lot of this in cleveland this week, the week before the convention, the rnc is doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes that really matters. one is the platform. basically the central tenets of the party what they're saying they want to stick to.
these aren't binding tenets. donald trump doesn't have to follow us through on these proposals. they do matter to members of the party and what we saw in the two-day debate was a series of wins for social conservatives, objections to gay marriage, objections to restrictions, basically backing an effort to restrict bathrooms to birth gender. supporting sexual conversion therapy for minors. and protecting businesses who refuse services to gays and lesbians based on religious beliefs. these are core tenets of what social conservatives have been pushing for a long time but the issues that run afoul of where some of the moderates are. some of those moderates, some of the delegates opposed to these issues have been trying to put together a minority report, get enough votes to make this an issue that will come up on the floor. their purpose, ana, is basically this, strike the very in depth detailed platform that was agreed upon on tuesday night that includes these references that some of these consider offensive and make it a shorter,
more inclusive document. now what rnc officials i talked to are pretty confident they can beat this back. but it really underscores this is a fractured party right now that is in need of unification. >> all right, phil mattingly, thank you. the author of "the fierce urgency of now" is joining us. also, boris epstein, a trump supporter. and hilary rosen, a hillary clinton supporter. boris, in a little over 24 hours, we're going to know who's joining trump on his 2016 ticket. what is this circuit we've been seeing? is he really that conflicted about his choice? >> it's not about conflicted. it's making the right choice for the party, for the election and then for america. i think it speaks volumes to donald trump's candidacy that we have such a strong finalist list, right. you're looking at the backgrounds of all these folks and some others like joni ernst
and general flynn that are very strong candidates. and compare that to the weak list the democrats have. it shows how strong the gop is. very confident the pick will be a great one and one that will not only win in november but will be strong for america going forward. >> we have some live pictures. this is a pence event in indiana. he's taking the stage. not expected to say anything about the vice presidency. and his chances of joining donald trump. we are there live. we're listening in. if he makes any remarks you need to know about, we'll be of course bringing those to you. stay with us on cnn. i want to push the conversation forward, because we've seen the last few days donald trump has done tryouts with each of these presumptive finalists for his vp selection with governor pence. he was also campaigning with newt gingrich earlier in the week or last week. who do you think is his best bet? >> it really depends what he wants to do. he has two different options. one is to double down on the
type of campaign he has already put forward. that would suggest the path of someone like newt gingrich or chris christie. and the other path is to try to balance out the image that he has and pick someone like pence with more experience and who's a little more moderate in demeanor. not just policy. you know, you have to bet, you would bet he would double down. that's the kind of campaign he has run. but we will see. >> and yet he's come out recently saying i don't need an attack dog, and he also, we're hearing from a trump adviser, is leaning towards pence this morning. let's talk about the clinton campaign. she has an event today with tim kaine who is said to be on herb running mate short list. hilary, let me read you what "the hill" wrote about her choices and whether she goes with a safe bet like tim kaine or somebody like elizabeth warren to fire up the base. this is what somebody very close to the candidate told "the hill."
why not back flip into the pool instead of just a plain old cannonball, one clinton surrogate said in endorsing the idea of a less conventional move. hilary, why not back flip? >> well, first, let's talk about what trump is doing and what impact that has on secretary clinton. so donald trump has sort of three no offense white guys who have really old-fashioned views about the country, super conservative policies, anti-lgbt, anti-woman, you know, have very significant difficulties with young and women voters. so he is not even thinking about expanding his base. he got, you know, 16 million votes in the primary. he's got to get 60 million votes in a general election. so who's going to bring him more votes? not those three guys. >> well, who's going to bring hillary clinton more votes? >> when hillary clinton's looking at this decision, what she's saying is where can i be more inclusive, where can i think more about the kinds of
questions that america's going to have about their president, their vice president. you know, any one of those folks on her short list, whether it's, you know, a tom perez or elizabeth warren or a tim kaine begins to broaden out the party or, you know, business leader, military leader, begins to broaden out the party further and further. some, you know, get moderates and independents, some are going to be more engaged on latino voters. but really what you want to do with your vice presidential pick is think about who's going to add value to the country. not just who's going to echo your slogans on the campaign trail which seems to be donald trump's test. >> i want to play a new hillary clinton ad hitting trump pretty hard on his rhetoric. his campaign is the most divisive in decades. and this morning this new ad calls him a bad role model for children. watch. >> you know you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her
wherever. >> you got to see this guy, oh, don't know what i said, i don't remember, he's going, i don't remember, don't -- >> boris, could this hurt trump? >> absolutely not. we're seeing hillary clinton is being hurt by the fact she's a liar and has been lying to the american people for over 40 years since she's been in national politics. you have seen the polls in florida. now she's down. she was up in a rasmussen poll, now she's down by seven, so huge swings in the polls. because the american people are finally seeing through what hillary clinton is, somebody who will say anything and do anything to achieve more power to gain money, to do anything she needs for her own game but not for the united states of america. that's why she's struggling in the polls and no vice presidential pick is going to help her with that. that's her main issue. to what hilary was saying, as far as chris christie goes, these folks absolutely add more to the party.
newt gingrich is someone who's experienced, someone who has a lot of relationships all over the united states of america. chris christie is someone from a northeastern state but a lot of relationships and a lot of appeal in pennsylvania, ohio, west virginia, the coal country. and governor pens of course a midwestern governor. >> with the lowest approval rating in history. both the governors have the lowest approval rating in history, so it's important -- >> i'm not sure what approval rating you're talking about, hilary. i would be woerried about the approval rating of your candidate who was just told by the fbi director that she lied not just to the american people but to congress. hillary clinton and hilary rosen should be worried about hillary clinton being indicted and being convicted of lying to congress under oath -- >> hilary rosen, i'll let you have the last word. >> look, elections are about choices. hillary clinton did something donald trump has never done in his life which is apologize for a mistake in judgment.
the fbi specifically said she did not lie and that she has been transparent and open in this entire prospect. so it was a rough couple of days for hillary clinton. but the good news is that she actually has policies the american people care about. donald trump is running a campaign of insults. i think that's going to ultimately fall flat as this ad will show. >> all right, hilary rosen, boris epstein, thank you. some breaking news. we've been talking about justice ginsburg in the last few days and the controversial remarks she's made about donald trump. she's just come out and issued an apology. i want to read it to you. we just got this. on reflection, she writes, my recent remarks and response to press inquiries were ill advised and i regret making them. judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. in the future, i will be more circumspect. we're joined by our reporter on
the phone. i know you initially talked with justice ginsburg. was this a response you anticipated? >> i was wondering. the outpouring of criticism from people on both the right and the left i'm sure got justice ginsburg's attention and she might have felt it was important to try to clarify what she was thinking and to also say i made a mistake here, i should not have commented so strongly. and this is what she's saying now. in the future, i will be more circumspect. when i talked to her in the late afternoon -- [ inaudible ] he had not turned over his tax
returns, but i think that her third set of comments to us and so strongly what she said to us did insight such strong reaction that she had gone too far, and she uses the phrase ill advised and she says outright i regret them. what we said all along is she's honest in her responses and it's clear upon reflection she had second thoughts about how far she's gone. >> do you think some will see this as her cracking under the media pressure or even the pressure of donald trump? >> some people might say that but i think what she decided is pretty -- pretty understandable. she had said something that she believed obviously she wouldn't have come on so strongly late monday if she didn't believe that. but i think she also realized that her comments raised a lot
of questions about whether she could be fair in the future and i -- my guess, and i have not talked to her since, but my guess is people who have judgment she respected have encouraged her to rethink what she said and she believed upon reflection that she had made a mistake and wanted to clear the air. you know, that's one thing that this does. it clears the air. it says i should have avoided commenting on a candidate for public office. as you probably know, one of the cannons of traditional conduct for lower court judges does say judges should not endorse or oppose candidates for public office and the supreme court is bound by that but the supreme court justices tend to follow that. it looks like she's realizing her remarks were taken as in conflict with that and she regrets her remarks.
i think it's as straight forward as she's delivering it. both pieces of commentary from justice ginsburg i think are true to where she's at. she believes the first remarks and then she reconsidered and thought i likely went too far and that's what she's telling us now. >> i'm wondering when you were doing your interview with her, i know you spent a lot of time researching and reporting on issues regarding the supreme court. when she made those initial remarks doubling down on some other inflammatory comments she made previously what was going through your mind? >> well, i had already seen some of the early criticism. i had -- there hadn't been as much of an outpouring, you know, just think of what's happened since last monday through to this morning. and there's just been a flood of commentary, including editorial commentary by people who really believe in her. "the new york times" editorial page, not an opponent,
conservative opponent of justice ginsburg, rather, someone, an editorial page that has supported most of her legal writings. and i think that we just saw such a flood of criticism. again, across the ideological spectrum. and people who thought, you know, maybe she didn't realize how much attention they were going to get. she might not have realized how much she was playing right into the very unusual election cycle here. because look what happened. the presidential candidate, donald trump, was so inspired to respond. to say, you know, she should resign and, you know, really question her temperament. other people did too. other people who normally would show just a lot of respect for justice ginsburg. i think what we have to understand here is that she thought it out and decided that it was time for her to explain
herself a little fully and to say in the future iability doing this anymore. >> yeah, joan, stay with me. i want to bring in dana bash now to get more reaction on this new apology that we're hearing from justice ginsburg. dana, she apologized for making the comments. she says she regrets saying something about a presidential candidate. but she doesn't necessarily apologize to donald trump. >> that's right. i mean, obviously she feels the way she feels. joan just explained the reason why she went maybe many steps too far from the perspective of being a judge and sort of the traditions and even more than the traditions of what judges, never mind supreme court justices, should and shouldn't say about america's political process and america's candidates, especially candidates for president. but when it comes to kind of the raw politics of this and the reality of what this has done to
an already very intense political race, i mean, you can't underestimate how much of a gift donald trump and republicans across the board felt that ruth bader ginsburg handed them in her criticisms of donald trump because this campaign season in particular the court and the fact that the president -- whomever it is -- is going to have such an important choice of nominating somebody. that is already front and center because there's a vacancy. it's a reality. her comments being so highly political has really given the grassroots base, the conservative grassroots base in particular, a reason to support donald trump in a time where there weren't a lot of reasons for some in the conservative grassroots to support donald
trump -- >> -- support him in order to make sure their supreme court justices are elected on their side. >> exactly, because we should also make clear that on this particular issue, who is donald trump thinking about nominating if he becomes president to fill that vacancy, never mind other vacancies down the road if they occur. he has named names. he has given lists that are basically straight out of conservative websites, conservative think tanks and they're all very pleased about that. so, again, if there are k conservatives out there thinking about how much a president matters in these issues based on who they're going to put on the supreme court, this issue with ginsburg has given life to that politically at a time where donald trump has actually needed it. >> our colleague david chalian is also with us. david, i'm wondering, now that she's come out and retracted her
statements in many ways, what's the political fallout going to be here? >> well, i don't think that the republicans are going to give up on this as dana said. they do believe this was a gift because she overplayed her hand clearly. you saw that donald trump has asked her to resign. there is still the issue of whether she publicly now regrets making the comments. i am sure we're going to hear republicans still raise the question of should she recuse herself from any case in the future that may involve donald trump that is before the supreme court. i mean, just as stunning as her comments were, so is this statement from ruth bader ginsburg. because you rarely see a supreme court justice fully jump into the political waters the way she did with her comments. you just as rarely see them bend to political pressure publicly. needing to issue a statement like this. they usually sort of, you know,
hide behind that robe and sort of really even if they've made a political misstep really think they don't have to play by the rules of public pressure in this way. that wasn't the case here. i think it was such a clear cut, over step, on ruth bader ginsburg part, that she really felt the political pressure to clear this up. >> it seemed like she went down a trail and got caught in the moment and it kept going and started unraveling on her. the supreme court reporter does a lot of work for us and she's joining us now. i'm wondering if any of the other supreme court justices have spoken out about ginsburg's comments or what the buzz is in those circles. >> well, yesterday, justice stephen breyer was doing a talk in sun valley and people out there say he was asked about it and he said, if i had a comment, i wouldn't make it.
or something like that. it's interesting because -- yesterday, said they were regrettable and if the election was a bush versus gore challenge, they thought she would have to recuse herself. definitely triggering not only political complications but legal questions as well. >> all right, ariane de vogue, david chalian, thank you all for being part of this conversation. ruth bader ginsburg now apologizing for the comments she made about trump and his presidential candidacy. we'll be right back.
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with the nation still on edge, what's going to change when it comes to race relations and police? well, president obama is now trying to force new dialogue and he led a four-hour plus meeting with police officials and civil rights leaders to discuss the problems with race and policing in our country. this meeting ended with a stark prediction from the president. more anger and more unrest is likely to come. cnn's athena jones is at the white house with more. what was the outcome? what's the big takeaway? >> well you asked what's going to change. that's what yesterday's meeting was about. it was about what actions can be taken to improve relations between the police and the communities they're policing. we heard the president say in dallas that words are inadequate to solve these problems. we got to focus on what steps can be taken. what's that the meeting, the four-hour long meeting with some 40 participants was about. also members, officials from the justice department, civil right
also leaders and activists, representatives of law enforcement agencies from across the country and elected leaders. the president said these people offered a lot of different perspectives. people didn't agree on everything. but there were some areas of broad agreement. i'll tell you about some of them. one is the need to build confidence in investigations after officers used force. another is the need to improve police training and hiring processes. we know that promoting diversity is one of the recommendations of the president's 21st century policing task force. a third is the need to fix data collection issues. to encourage departments all across the country. we're talking about 18,000 law enforcement agencies. to begin to collect more data to better manage their police departments and also to determine what best practices are working, what's worked in their community and what isn't. the president also made the point this is something that's going to have to be a sustained conversation. this is not something that's going to be solved overnight. this is an issue that has deep roots and a long history.
we can expect the president to continue to be part of this sustained conversation. at least on some level. even after he leaves office just a few months from now, ana. >> all right, athena jones from the white house, thanks. so there aren't any clear answers in sight just yet. race relations and policing. so this issue took center stage in a very pivotal conversation. i want you to listen to a portion of it. >> can we just take a moment as america and register how profound and immoral it is that we should have to give a certain group in this country a tool box to survive what should otherwise be an innocent interaction. >> with me now is the president and director council of the naacp legal defense and educational fund. a separate organization from the naacp. thanks so much for being here with us, sheralyn.
you were inside that meeting. set the scene for us. what was it like? >> first of all, the scene is the context and the context is the last week in which we have the killing in baton rouge, the killing in minnesota and then the tragic murder of the five police off certains in dallas. so there was a heavy vibe in that room. many of us are coming laden with pain and a tremendous amount of sleepless nights and work. and so we came and we sat around the table and president obama set the stage by asking us to be candid and blunt with one another but to speak respectfully and most of all to focus on solutions. he asked each of us to share what we think is a core issue that can be addressed. it's important to remember that this is the federal government. the president is the president of the united states. and law enforcement happens largely at the local level. so we were aware of the limitations of the portfolio but it was still a very, very important i think and very rigorous conversation. >> did anybody have their guards up or were people pretty open
minded? >> i think everybody initially had their guard up. i'm not going to say, you know, it fell entirely. what the president asked us to do is listen. i have toay i think the most moving part of the meeting was we were listening to one another and we were hearing. we talked about the pain. just in that clip had charles blow talking about the tool kit that african-american children need to survive in their encounters with police. we talked about the demoralization of that pain. and the need for law enforcement to acknowledge the reality of racial bias and policing. >> it's not just perception. >> it's not perception, it's not imagination, it's real. i think that's why those two videos from louisiana but particularly from minnesota so moved this country not just african-americans to hear diamond taylor narrating the aftermath of this shooting and not able to comfort her child but having to create a record because we've not been believed when we describe what happened
and we know we won't be believed unless we have a record. >> what was talked about? >> the first thing was the federal role that can be played through funding. the federal government gives over $2 billion in grants to police departments and local law enforcement. >> a lot of taxpayer money. >> every year. that money needs to be contingent on police departments demonstrating they don't engage in discrimination. so what we've been asking is for the federal government to really scrub those grant programs and ensure local jurisdictions are doing anti-bias training. they're training police officers in how to deal with the mentally ill. how to deescalate and so forth. we spent a great deal of time talking about those resources. and then the second thing was the accountability piece. there weren't enough in my view prosecutors in the room. there was one attorney general. they're part of the equation. we've got to make sure when police officers break the law they're held accountable and
they're subject to the law just like citizens. >> how optimistic are you that meeting is going to make a change going forward? >> i think the meeting was really important because we were all face-to-face. some of us were in a room with people we otherwise would never be in a room with. and i do think that when you have an opportunity to talk to someone face-to-face, they're people we can follow up with because i think the follow up is the most important. >> knowing who's who. >> being able to say listen, we talked in that meeting, i want to talk to you about what's happening today in baton rouge. i'll make some of those calls myself because we have lawyers working around the issues of protesters and violence by police officers. we at least have the opening to begin to continue that dialogue at the local level. >> that is very good to hear. thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. still to come, why syrian president bashar al assad says the u.s. doesn't have the will to fight isis. it's a golden opportunity to experience breath-taking lexus performance in street-legal form. for a limited time get great offers on our complete line of f sport performance vehicles.
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this could be a first when it comes to u.s./russian relations. a potential agreement to share lx a intelligence and data for air strikes in syria. it comes as russia is conducting a new wave of air strikes against isis. let's bring in cnn's pentagon correspondent barbara starr. tell us more, barbara. >> this has massive military implications for the u.s. secretary of state john kerry in moscow to present this proposed deal by all accounts to the russians. what it calls for, what's being worked on is the deal for joint operations possibly. sharing of intelligence, sharing of targeting, possibly joint air
strikes over syria between the u.s. and russia. one very key thing that the u.s. would agree to would be to strike a group called al nusra, the al qaeda element in syria. remember, until now, the obama administration is only bombing in syria to bomb isis. this is a huge shift. it's something the russians want because if the u.s. will bomb al nusra with them, that takes the pressure of assad. al nusra's been going after assad. in fact, syrian president bashar al assad in an interview with nbc still critical of the united states. have a quick listen. >> the united states doesn't have the will to defeat the terrorists. it has the will to control them and use them as a cause like they did in afghanistan. >> so why is the pentagon so opposed? because number one they do not trust the russians. the russian promises are something the pentagon isn't counting on. they think the russians may still just move ahead, bomb
civilians, bomb assad, opposition groups and not go after isis all that much. so, you know, talk about staying tuned. this, if it happens, could be a big problem for defense secretary ash carter. ana. >> all right, barbara starr. you'll of course stay on it for us, thanks. the u.s. military is also trying to confirm today an air strike near mosul, iraq, killed a senior isis commander known as omar the chechen. they thought they killed him in syria in march but now thinks they may have only wounded him in that incident. the pentagon can confirm a commander of the pakistani taliban was killed in a drone strike in eastern afghanistan back on july 9th. just learning about this morning. coming up, just in, on trump's veep frenzy, newt gingrich talking to our m.j. lee on who he really thinks the billionaire will pick, next. clean food. words panera lives by. no artificial flavors, preservatives, sweeteners. no colors from artificial sources.
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we have some new reporting just in to cnn. newt gingrich speaking out. he expects to find out who donald trump is going to pick for his vp candidate in just a few hours. our mj lee spoke to the vp contender this morning. >> newt gingrich is hunkered down today waiting to hear about the decision. interestingly, he appeared to downplay his chances of being chosen as trump's vp nominee. he said he would not be at all surprised if it ended up being pence. and he mentioned the fact that pence is a lot younger than he is. he said i think having someone who represents a somewhat younger voice would have some
advantages. this is something that he said yesterday as well. saying he wouldn't be surprised if it was pence. so it seems like gingrich is trying to downplay his choices to reporters. a trump adviser told cnn earlier today that trump is leaning towards mike pence. of course, until we hear it directly from trump's mouth this decision not final. >> we know gingrich had flown to indiana yesterday when trump was still there. he said it was a very candid conversation. so you wonder if what he's putting out there is coming from something that he and donald trump actually discussed, if he was already given the it's probably not going to be you. >> we don't know right now if newt knows that hes for sure not going to be chosen but i think the way he's talking about it seems to suggest that he might be better off downplaying his chances. i have to say, he has said for a
while and trump has said himself he wants newt to have a role in the trump administration. we don't know whether that could be a chief of staff role or someone in the cabinet even. we know trump and gingrich have spoken a lot in recent weeks and so it shouldn't be surprising if gingrich ends up getting some type of role. >> trump's children have wanted him to go with newt gingrich as his running mate. it will be interesting to see the ultimate selection. thanks for your reporting. still to come, a horse drawn carriage leads mourners through the streets of st. paul as friends and family gather to remember philando castile.
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who will be celebrating castile's life when his funeral begins at 1:00 eastern. in just a matter of hours, family, friends and fellow officers will say good-bye to sergeant michael smith, the father of two. he was one of the five victims killed in that horrible police ambush in dallas one week ago. on wednesday during a memorial service to honor smith, reverend thorpe shared a powerful story about a conversation he had with smith's family. >> then carolina asked me, why did god do this? i immediately answered, in south carolina, god didn't do this. the anti-god did this. the evil one did this. then a little while later, he told caroline to kiss him good-bye like it was his last time. i immediately looked at caroline
and said, caroline, now god did that, that's what god does. >> i want to bring in cnn's sara sidner. it just reminds us all you can't take each other for granted. >> yeah, there are so many stories being shared from the five officers who died, their families coming forward. i wanted you to listen to the story of the first dallas area rapid transit officer killed in the line of duty. he had just gotten married to a fellow officer just two weeks prior to the shooting and she came forward and she talked to the crowd just about who he was and who she is. >> i'm going to put on my badge and return to the street along with all my brothers and sisters in blue. to the coward that tried to break me and my brothers and
sisters, you know your hate made us stronger. >> brent thompson she is talking about, that was her husband. he had six children. there was also a funeral for lorne ahrnes where people gathered in the hundreds to say good-bye to him. we're expect the same numbers for mike smith. today, the public can say their final good-byes, ana. >> all right, and we look at the pictures of these five men who lost their lives serving their community. sara, thanks for bringing us their stories. and thank you for joining me today. i'm ana cabrera. this is "cnn newsroom." i hand it off to my colleagues "at this hour" after a quick break. squuuuack, let's feed him let's feto the sharks!sharks! yay! and take all of his gold!
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