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we're following two major stories right now. an attempted coup in turkey that may or may not be resolving in the government's favor. turkish military forces take to the streets demanding the government step down but the people fight back. >> underneath, we're learning more about the man behind yet another deadly attack in france where a truck plowed relentlessly through a crowd celebrating bastille day. behind me, killing 84 people. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm max foster.
>> and i'm becky anderson. this is cnn newsroom. we begin in turkey where it is morning right now after what has been a long and tumulterous night of violence and chaos. it is unclear who is in control of the country. the military or the government. here is what we do know at this point. friday night, the members of military in turkey attempted to take control from president erdogan. turkish people report 42 were killed in the capitol. they heard fighter jets roaring through the sky. a defiant erdogan urged his supporters to take to the streets. and they did by the thousands. climbing on tanks and waving turkish flags.
president erdogan spoke to supporters in a square in istanbul. he promised his government would prevail and said the coup is over. the government is in control. the attempt was not just in these streets. we watched it unfold at television studios, including cnn's own affiliate. soldiers entered the studios of cnn turk and took staff members out. the network was broadcasting about 45 minutes later. at turkey's trt networks, troops stormed in and pulled down the signal. cnn spoke with the news director. >> we did manage to get everybody out of the building, everybody seems to be okay, they pulled our signal down and we remain down, although my turkish counterparts in ankara seem to be getting it back up but my
english channel hasn't gotten back up. it was a scary moment. my staff, their phones were confiscated. it was hard to get in touch with people after the incident took place. clearly a lot of people were shaken up. >> cnn's senior international director, ivan watson who has covered turkey extensively, formally cnn's bureau chief in istanbul joining us live from hong kong. ivan, we heard from the president surrounded by his supporters. how do you assess what is going on in turkey this hour? >> this has been an incredible night. a deadly night, tragically as well. most recently we've seen the just mind boggling scenes at the bosphorus bridge, the suspension bridge, one of three across the strait which bi- sects istanbul, scenes of the soldiers who less than an hour ago were trying to
maintain a blockade of that vital artery surrendering en masse, marching forward, placing their guns down, their automatic weapons and marching away from the tanks abandoned on the bridge and we saw footage of clearly erdogan supporters running in and just picking up the machine guns that the soldiers had left behind on the bridge. that was one area where the coup soldiers had still been holding ground, again, less than an hour ago. to give a sense of the potential loss of life during this night, let's look at photos. i believe we have them, of buildings from the national parliament in ankara, signs of massive damage of the parliament building. windows gutted in what appears to have been kind of an artillery strike or air strike against the national parliament.
something i don't think we've heard about really anything on this scale since world war 1 in the turkish war of independence more than 80, 90 years ago. i guess we don't have those photos right now but more signs that there was some serious weaponry brought in to play even as elements of the military were trying to take over briefly television stations and impose a curfew across the country, a curfew that was rejected by president erdogan and his cabinet ministers when they were able to get their own messages out, usually via face time on their phones to private turkish television networks and within the last hour, we've seen erdogan himself addressing a crowd of supporters in istanbul. let's take a listen of an excerpt of what he said, becky. >> okay. i apologize, we do not have that
sound right now but basically he was saying in his address that there would be justice, that his supporters had taken back the tanks that had come out in the streets and issued a direct challenge to a former ally, a close former ally, an islamic cleric and leader named gulin who lives in self imposed exile in pennsylvania directly accusing him in his movement of being behind this attempted coup attempt. those are accusations that are rejected throughout the night by representatives of the movement. long story short, becky, this has been a very tumultuous and deadly night and further instability that turkey is facing once promoted as a model of democracy and instability to
the broader muslim world now facing multiple challenges. terrorist attacks by isis, by the kurdistan worker party. a polarized electorate and now an attempted coup against the lecced president and his government. becky. >> ivan, the government saying this wasn't a coup. it was a full scale terror campaign against people, the elected government, and the army itself. i've also heard some talk that this was a fake coup. your thoughts at this point? sg >> it says something to how polarized turkey is. initially as statements were coming out from whatever military faction was behind this mutiny, one of the most popular or frequent reactions that you saw on social media in turkey was that this was all staged, an effort for the president to go
ahead with plans to rearrange the constitution, to grant himself more powers. that goes to show how much suspicious there is from certain segments of society towards erdogan. he is without question, he has dominated the turkish political scene for 14 years since his party was elected but he is either loved or loathed by broad sectors of society. on the one side, it indicates another thing. the turkish military, which prior to erdogan's election in 2002 staged at least four military coups during the period of 50 years. it was believed to have been largely tamed by erdogan. that was, his supporters said, one of the big successes he had during his 14 years in office. the chief of the military last may attended the wedding of erdogan's daughter, a sign of how cozy the relationship had gotten. well, the scenes we've seen
unfold overnight where there have been fighter jets reportedly carrying out air strikes, helicopters, attack helicopters opening fire with machine guns, tanks on the streets of istanbul and ankara, that suggests that there were some segments of the military that were not in agreement with the turkish government and the turkish leaders have been quick to call this terrorism and call this tre treason. i would suggest many of the rank and file soldiers ordered to occupy television networks and street corners, many of them probably didn't even know what they were doing at that time. becky? >> turkey, and officials now professing this to be over, ivan. but as you've been describing it, witnesses have been describing in istanbul, there
have been low flying jets, booms that sounded like explosions, it seems fight inning ankara even more intense, 42 dead according to the prosecutor's office. this is clearly a very frightening time for people. is it clear at this point who is in charge? >> i think we've heard from a wide variety of members of president erdogan's government, the prime minister, assertions that they are in fact in charge. we have seen images of soldiers either being arrested by police or simply handing over their weapons to crowds of civilian, erdogan supporters but we've heard from the deputy prime minister himself within the last two hours a suggestion that there is rogue air craft in the air that the turkish military are still trying to come to grips with. so i don't think that we still yet know the full extent of how
many rogue elements of the military are still out there and then there is another big question. if somebody has gone out, effectively against the government within the course of this historic and deadly night and they've just learned that they were perhaps on the losing end of this and they're going to face treason charges, will they surrender peacefully. what options are left for an army officer at this stage who may have not known or may have just been carrying out orders. there are massive questions here, massive questions about how the government will react in the days and weeks ahead as it seeks to consolidate control or regain control and do away with any other possible unloyal, disloyal elements within the government. again, turkey, just three weeks ago, becky, we were reporting on a triple suicide bombing at istanbul international airport and just three weeks later, there are army tanks at the
entrance of the airport in an attempt to take control of it and they were overwhelmed by crowds of pro erdogan supporters who rushed into the airport past the metal detectors in what can only be described as anarchy and that gets to the heart of how unstable and chaotic turkey has gotten even though the same leader has effectively been in power for 14 years and has been consolidating power to the extent that the trickers accused erdogan of trying to create one man rule in the country. perhaps a bright spot here is that elements of civil society, elements of the media, even the opposition political parties have all come out and denounced this attempted coup. the three main opposition political parties in parliament which was apparently bombed overnight have denounced this coup and stood by the government, the elected government, that they have frequently criticized and literally come to blows against in the halls of the parliament. you had cnn turk, our sister
network forced off the air at gunpoint by some of the soldiers, then bravely coming back on-air within hours of the unprecedented move. we've seen signs of broad sectors of society clearly not showing support for this bizarre attempt to seize control by some elements of the military here. becky? >> ivan, your analysis so important at this point as we continue to assess the situation in turkey. for the time being, ivan, thank you. for the security implications of what is a coup in turkey and what the government may be doing behind the scenes, we're joined via skype by bipolob baer. a c former cia operative. as a former cia operative, how do you assess what we're seeing
unfolding as we speak in istanbul this morning? >> well there, is a couple of things, beckly, one is the division in the army. senior officers that i've been in contact with indirectly have been surprised by this. it is not the entire army. clearly they would have gotten erdogan early and captured or assassinated him. what is weird senior that erdogan hasn't gone to annar to take the reigns of government. he is still? sb -- he is still in istanbul. we haven't seen the end of this. i don't remember the last time the turks were on the street fighting. it hasn't happened in my time. the u.s. government was completely taken by surprise by this and i know why and you
know, the turkish military does not discuss internal affairs with our embassy or military issues or the cia so we are very much in the dark how this is going to go and we're just going to have to wait until we see it on the ground. >> bob, i want to walk our viewers through some of what we've understood to be going on in these past few hours for those who are just joining us it appears now a failed coup attempt in turkey. we've just seen the president addressing certainly a huge crowd of his own supporters in istanbul as bob riley points out, rather than in the capital, we'll get you pictures shortly of extensive bombing to the parliament buildings that we've just received, pictures that we just received of the parliament buildings in ankara. perhaps maybe a reason why he isn't there. bob, let's -- so let's walk our viewers through this. when we first heard from the
president over his cell phone as he ran into one of the broadcasters in turkey that was still on-air, he said ha he just had come back from his holiday and the hotel that he had been staying in, he says, was bombed after he left. your thoughts? >> i think they probably wanted to kill him. the military in turkey is very upset when he was taking power from the military and imprisoning officers, accusing him of doing coups. there is a lot of resentment in the officer core in fear of erdogan. the question is these coup plotters clearly couldn't get to the senior staff or they would have announced, you know, the chief of staff would have come out and announced there had been a governor take over. i think at one point we can assume they were out of the loop on this and this is what i call
a colonels coup, they're difficult to coordinate. difficult to carry out. they're not seamless like previous coups. communications are difficult, but the point is erdogan by the fact that he had to communicate by cell phone, they had him cutoff or he would have gone to the government tv station and said there is no coup. it is over at the beginning. i heard originally this morning that a lot of army officers thought this was a fake coup on erdogan's part because it was so half hearted. they couldn't believe it and only as the day progressed or the night progressed did they understand that it was a real coup. so even -- yes -- >> bob, i also think we should elude to what i think was very powerful images that we just brought in to cnn. they were coming to us live of
soldiers on the bosphorus bridge which is the bridge over the istanbul straits which joins both east and west. soldiers who had been in the tanks there, holding up their hands and walking away from their vehicles. difficult to suggest exactly what that was but again, when you saw those images, very powerful images, it appears to have been a demonstration of support perhaps for the government, again -- >> you know, becky, that is the way i interpret it. my contacts in turkey say this is not going to work, this coup. there is no support in the rank and file. the turkish army is mostly conscripts and it wasn't broadly supported. it is almost doomed to fail and i think there will be, as we talked about, there will be some
sort of, you know, move in ankara to take the capital back but that could be very violent. if i'm about to be charged with treason. i would consider making some sort of sand. becky? bob baer with analysis for you this morning on what is a fast moving story. i want to bring in, thank you, bob, a journalist and joins us live from istanbul on the phone. describe what you have heard and seen there over the past few hours. it sounds as if we're struggling to get our witness on here. oz, can you hear me? all right. we'll get you back to istanbul of course and more on this story
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i'm becky anderson in paris updating you on our top story, the coup attempt in turkey. officials say 42 people have been killed in the capital ankara. a turkish tv station says most of dead are police. both the military and government claim victory. it is unclear who was actually in charge but the president, president erdogan addressed supporters within the past hour saying that he is. he is also saying the military factions involved would be treated the same as terrorists.
several people are already in custody. witnesses tell us they heard several loud explosions. also, bombs were thrown at the parliament building. jared melton joins us live from istanbul via skype. he is a middle east bureau chief for "time" magazine. what is your assessment for what is going on? >> well it is clear now that the attempted coup has not been completely successful to say the least. it is faltering but that said, there is a great deal of uncertainty. as you mentioned, we had president erdogan addressing the country earlier reasserting that he is in control of course, moments ago, maybe a half hour or 45 minutes ago i heard gunfire. so there is ongoing gunfire and signs of other violence ongoing
here in the heart of istanbul in the country's largest city. >> that's right. i want to get images for the viewers. you're in istanbul in the capital of ankara. we received these images of the parliament building. significant damage to that building it seems and it is from there that we know, from the prosecutors office that 42 people have been killed. the government is saying that this is not a coup, that this was a full scale terror campaign against people, the elected government, and the army itself, so that is a narrative that would certainly suit the president. should he want a full on crackdown at this point. and given the chaos in the country over the past months. should you or should we expect that full on crackdown now?
it is entirely possible as you said, the president erdogan denounced this attempt to take control as an act of treason and saying that this would give them -- he said this was a blessing that it would give the government an opportunity to cleanse the military of these traitorous elements so if that -- that certainly sounds like foreshadowing a crackdown and certainly if they -- if they do continue to prevail in this apparent struggle which they have blamed on one faction of the military, they're saying, they're claiming this was one small faction, this is one of the big unanswered questions here is what was the extent of the participation in the coup attempts, so should erdogan and his government prevail, they are certainly -- they seem to be saying they have ammunition for
a crackdown. >> fascinating, to the viewers that may be watching in turkey and to our viewers around the world, we'll continue to monitor what is a fast moving story, very fluid situation in turkey as we continue to broadcast from here. i'm in paris, my colleague, max foster, is in nice. max? >> becky, the 84 people killed in the terrible attack here in nice, in france on thursday have being mourned all over the world. a driver plowed a truck through crowds celebrating the franny national holiday. the eiffel tower lit up with the colors of the french flag. it is the third time that france has been significantly attacked in about a year and a half. the french president is requesting the state of emergency that was due to be lifted to be extended for another three months. you see the military out here on the streets.
francois hollande says his country will over come all trials and we're learning new details about the suspect behind that awful attack. we have to warn you that some of the video that you're about to see is very disturbing. our cnn international correspondent clarissa ward has the very latest. >> reporter: mayhem and carnage as a large truck careens into tourists and residents for over a mile, sending hundreds running for their lives. the driver has been identified as 31-year-old mohamed lahouaiej bouhelel. the terrorist was known to authorities for petty crimes but wasn't on the radar of counter terrorism negotiators. >> he was entirely unknown by the intelligence services. he had never been the subject of any kind of file or indication of radicalization. >> reporter: authorities are combing through the suspect's house where he lived alone, a neighbor described him as odd. he wouldn't say hello, only nod
his head. the attacker's ex-wife was taken into custody and is being questioned by police. together they had three children. investigators are trying to figure out if the assailant acted alone or had help and there have been no claims of responsibility for the attack by any group so far. the horrific scene unfolded around 10:30 p.m. thursday night. thousands were gathered to watch fireworks celebrating french independence day. as the fireworks were ending and revelers began walking back along the promenade, the attacker first opened fire on the crowd from inside of the rented 18 ton refrigerator truck. he then proceeded to accelerate, plowing into the crowds for over a mile, swerving left and right to hit as many people as possible including dozens of children. >>. >> translator: there were people crying, people covered with blood. it is so sad. >> reporter: the attacker opened
fire when police tried to stop him. >> translator: police chased the truck for 1,000 feet. the police officer was able to neutralize the person. >> when the truck came to a stop, the attacker was dead, slumped on the passenger seat. inside the cab, police found a semi automatic handgun and ammunition and fake guns and a fake grenade. also, the attackers id card and cell phone. among the dead, two americans, shawn copeland and his son, brody, of texas. tonight, president obama is condemning the attack. >> we pledged to stand with our french friends as we defend our nations against this scourge of terrorism and violence. this is a threat to all of us. >> reporter: that was clarissa reporting there. the investigation continues and we'll bring you the latest on anything new we have here. we'll bring you the latest on the very uncertain situation
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welcome back to the 84 people killed in the terrible attack here in nice, france, on thursday are being mourned all over the world. a driver plowing through crowds celebrating the french national holiday. the eiffel tower lighting up in the colors of the french flag last night. we'll discuss all of this now with glen, a terrorist management consultant. he joins us via skype. thank you for joining us, what are one of the things the
authorities seem to be struggling with here is the assumption that the attacker here must have been radicalized in some way to do what they did yet they don't seem to find any links of why the groups, why do they continue with this investigation. what should they be looking at? >> they're looking at narrowing down obviously all of the different pathways in which they can analyze this person, the person's movements and all of his communications over the last few days and weeks. as they look at this today and more news is coming out about the fact that they can't find any direct or apparent links, the horrific conclusion is donning this is in essence possibly the first jihadi brivec who has a disportionly large impact with a major terrorist imprint in what looks like right now the actions of just one person. so we're sort of running into a
new negative benchmark here in terrorism in modern europe. >> how can we call it terrorism though when we don't think he was particularly religious or his neighbor saying he was never seen at the local mosque, why jihadi and why is this terrorism. >> at the moment of course, french authorities or not just the french, but u.s. authorities and other countries have condemned this as a possible terrorist incident. they're looking at the context, when did this happen on a national holiday? where did it happen? in a public venue. what the target was. the apparent method by which this was carried out. although we're not out of the woods yet on the question whether or not there might have been mental disability or there might have been other factors here in terms of the person's motive, in general here, the working supposition is this is most likely a terrorist incident even if it turns out to be the
work of a lone wolf. it is definitely the working proposition and the french have found in the past the belgians as well that have have been actions by apparent lone wolves who apparently turn out to be attached to bigger networks or have support of other peoples. the concern here is that there might be other people who have supported this person -- and might be [ inaudible ] >> how, then, do french authorities, how, then, do french authorities try to prevent something like this from happening in the future? this is completely unpredictable. there isn't anything leading up to this. if it were to happen again it will be difficult to get the intel on it. >> absolutely. these are the hardest that there are in terms of prevention. if it is, indeed.
a person who self radicalized who decided on a spur of a moment towards some of the pathways of the individuals have been extremely short, it is a major concern because it is people who live local, act local, sometimes don't even purchase weapons or don't go on the internet. in other words, detection is exceptionally difficult. it puts major need for the ability to react very fast when one of these incidents happens. and what that is doing at the moment in france as it is in other countries in europe is essentially is over taxing the police. it means that they have to have more police deployed so if there is an incident such as this, they can spring into action right away on very, very short notice. and of course, as we've seen, again, here, a few minutes can already be dreadfully long in these situations so you're right. it is an exceptionally difficult
type of situation to deal with. >> okay, glen, thank you very much, indeed. trying to analyze this, make sense of it. it is very difficult with the limited information we've got. we've been speaking with a number of eyewitnesss. meg pope was hiding in a car as the attack unfolded. she described the fear and the shock that she felt. >> we were on our way to our hotel. we were a block from the promenade when all of a sudden people started racing all around us, in front of our car, all around our car. we heard the gunshots. we were able to get down to the promenade a few minutes later but we were stuck for three hours in our car at the point where they were bringing the ambulances and taking people out of the ambulances and putting them, assessing them, and transporting them to where they needed to go so we just saw one ambulance after another after another after another with stretchers coming out and out and out. for three hours. >> the authorities, the
authorities becky here, are trying to open this up as quickly as possible. a sense of defiance really that this won't be closed down and completely disrupted in the summer season because of what happened here. becky? >> all right, max, thank you for that. i'm becky anderson in paris for you. updating you on our other top story. the coup attempt in turkey. officials say 42 people have been killed in the capital of ankara. turkish tv station says most of the dead are police, both the military and the government at this point claiming victory. it is unclear who is actually in charge but the president has addressed his supporters within the past hour saying that he is. mr. erdogan also says the military factions involved would be treated the same as terrorists. several people are already in custody. witnesses tell us they heard several loud explosions, also bombs thrown at the parliament building.
the government says it has already won but the fighting doesn't appear to be slowing. . the party co-founded by the president joining us now live on the line from ankara, the president says this coup is over but temperature is not yet clear who is in charge. what are you hearing? >> did you get it? >> sir, can you hear me? it is becky anderson in paris. >> yes, i'm here in istanbul. >> thank you for joining us on cnn. who is in charge in turkey at present? all struggling with the lines, understandably so. the government calling this a terrorist operation.
the situation very, very fluid, though. we'll take a very short break at this point and see if we can reconnect with istanbul coming back after this. no artificial flavors, preservatives, sweeteners. no colors from artificial sources. 100% of our food will be clean by year's end. that's food as it should be. ♪
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the situation in turkey at this hour is very fluid after a night of chaos and military coup, it seems has failed. we've heard in the past hour from the president who says the perpetrators will be treated in the same way as terrorists. journalist andrew finkle has been reporting in and from the country for decades joining me now on the line from istanbul. how do you read the situation at present, andrew? >> it seems that the coup makers have really run out of steam. the wind has gone out of l sails. last night they occupied the bridges, they called for a curfew, they occupied some of of the television stations, but they were basically out smarted by the president who despite not
having direct communication used, you know, an iphone and gave an interview on face time. we're used to seeing him sitting on a golden thrown and addressing his people but this was a beleagered mr. erdogan telling freedom go to the airport and his supporters appear to have done exactly that and that seems to have really confounded the coup makers but of course it hasn't brought an end to the violence or the disturbances. even if that was happening, the parliament in ankara was being bombed and we've just seen the communication from the coup committee saying they haven't given up, it is going on and people should stay home and not go out. becky? >> the government saying this
wasn't a coup suggesting that this was a full scale terror campaign against the people, the president says this was against the people, against the elected government. he said this was against the army itself and we've been discussing that this would be a narrative that would certainly suit the president should he want a full on crackdown. now, given the chaos that has been turkey over the past few months, what is your view on what happens next? >> well, i think -- i think the semantics is quite interesting because we've seen for example, an occupation of an istanbul park in which young people didn't want the park destroyed and they occupied the center of istanbul and erdogan labelled that as a coup.
we have people who described him as a coup maker and the government press is full of you know, the coup attempts by this religious leader and now you have an actual coup and of course, he is not calling it a coup. he is calling it a terror attack but of course it is a coup or an attempt by the military to you know, with all of the paraphernalia of a military take over to take over the country. what is unusual in the turkish context is that it has not been a successful coup. it hasn't failed completely but it doesn't look like it will succeed and that will be the first time that the military hasn't succeeded -- has put their shoulder to the wheel and then backed away. what we think must be the case is that this didn't really have the whole support of the entire military but was just sort of part of the military. not just a few trouble makers. it was much more organized and detailed than that but not the whole chain of command which you
really need in order to over throw a government, so why did they do this? i think one of the reasons was that they felt that they would be ousted from power. that there is a next month the military high council which promotes and retires and basically changes the officers around to a sort of military musical chairs. and i think many of these people thought this was their last chance, really, to preserve their chance in the army that mr. erdogan was going to go after them. . he's certainly going to go after them now, yes. this is a man who has moved very successfully against his opponents, against the opposition. he's disarmed the opposition press. most of the press in turkey supports the government, which one reason whyite so difficult to figure out what exactly is going on because, you know, everyone says what you expect them to say.
there's no real objective description of what is happening in turkey from the turkish media itself. he disarmed the judiciary. he's gone after judges. and now, of course, he's going to go after the last bastion, the military itself. >> fascinatinging. erdogan supporters there going after the military. according to the parliamentary building there, some parts of it destroyed ask not clear just how at this point, but certainly not only a chaotic night, but a deadly night in turkey this night. andrew finkel reporting for us from there, thank you for your analysis. we will take a very short break, very, very busy times here. we'll reset after this.
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issue cause back to the road here where that horrendous attack took place so recently. for more on the terrorism perspective, let's bring in lauren and steve moore. we keep talking about terrorism, but how do you define that in this case when we don't have any sort of terror links or organizational links, at least, so far? >> you're absolutely right, max. right now, we are having to go on just the predominance of the evidence. there is going to be a motive here and the only motive that seems to present itself is radical islam because of the method of the attack, the ferociousness of the attack. this did not come with a suicide note. this is not somebody who presented with any type of mental illness that we're aware of right now. and if he has had suicidal
ideations, we haven't heard it from his wife yet. >> but he doesn't seem to have been very religious we're told by his had neighbors, nerve seen in the local mosque. >> that's -- that's true. but i have seen these lone wolf attacks tr people who are at the end of their rope and at the end of their life they decide that they are going to -- you know, they're looking at -- they're looking at eternity and they're thinking, i might as well go out with god on my side than not on my side. and so people who had never had any kind of religious fervor, at least apparent religious fervor, will sometimes -- will sometimes grab some right at the end. >> how, then, did the authorities try to explain that to the public, then? because there's so much pressure
on the authorities here that they're not doing enough to fight terrorism. there's been three recent attacks in the last year and a half. the opposition are making a lot out of that, as with well. how do the anti-terror authorities deal with that going forward when there's so little to grab hold of in this case? >> it's going to be tough, but it probably is not going to be impossible. these days, the electronic communications that we have, the cell phones, the computers, the social media, those become essentially bread crumbs for investigators. and it is my strong guess that there is going to be -- pardon the expression -- a smoking gun here. there is going to be information that they are going to find which will show a shift. there's going to be either something coming into his computer or something going out of his computer. there's going to be either communications from a radical group or to a radical group.
he's also -- you're also going to have to try and follow the money. >> i know. it's going to be very interesting to see, isn't it? obviously, the authorities are poring over what they could get their hands on right now. thank you very much, indeed, for that. thank you for joining us from nice, as well. i'm max foster here in had nice, france. >> and i'm becky anderson in paris. we'll have a lot more of this breaking news coverage after what is this very short break. stay with us. they're delicious side dishes with the protein of beans, whole grains.. ...and veggies! mmm good. my work here is dooooone! bird's eye protein blends. so veggie good.