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donald trump fills the ticket. >> donald trump understands the frustrations and the hopes of the american people like no leader since ronald reagan. >> conservatives love mike pence, but will trump regret trusting his staff and not his gut? >> indiana governor mike pence was my first choice. i've admired the work he's done. >> plus convention time, the never trump movement fizzles, but there's still plenty of drama on tap in cleveland.
>> thank you! >> as hillary clinton narrows her v.p. search. >> what tim said really is worth considering, do you want a you're fired or you're hired president. do you want a trash talker or a bridge builder. >> another terror attack adds to the anxiety and unpredictability of a wild election year. "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing your sunday morning at this critical turning point at campaign 2016. we are live at the convention hall in cleveland and two questions frame the race as we prepare for donald trump's nomination. question one, does it matter that michael pence is a shotgun wedding? cnn is told that trump had thought and debated even after offering pence the slot. >> i would like to introduce a man who i truly believe will be
outstanding in every way and will be the next vice president of the united states, governor mike pence. >> question two, what is the pence effect? conservatives long skeptical of trump are happy with mike pence, but is there an election benefit beyond a more unified convention? >> for the sake of our security, for the sake of our prosperity, for the sake of a supreme court that will never turn its back on our god-given liberties, let's come together as a party and a people and a movement to make america great again. >> and question three, where does the race stand as we pivot to the conventions? >> hillary clinton has an edge in many of the battle ground states, but do events like dallas and nice help trump make the case for strength and change? >> we need a president who can help pull us together and not
split us apart. that is why i believe donald trump is so dangerous. his campaign is as divisive as any we have seen in our lifetimes. it is built on stoking mistrust and pitting american against american. >> with us this sunday morning to share their reporting and insights, jonathan moore of "the new york times," cnn's jake brestin, and donald trump's readiness runs high, there are print of republican critics and skeptics who will be here in the cue as they call this arena over the next few days and give donald trump his due. he is 113 days to election 2016 so the stakes are enormous and, of course, with anything involving trump as with anything involving trump there is drama until the very end.
trump had his vice presidential rollout event with ticketmate mike pence yesterday and it was entertaining, interesting, to say the least. trump kept digressing from a scripted speech to talk about himself and as he prepares an event critical to the challenge he repeatedly talked about defeating his republican rivals and yes, explaining why mike pence will share the ticket? that did come up, too. >> mike pence is a man of honor, character and honesty. we know that. hillary clinton is the embodiment of corruption. whatta difference between crooked hillary clinton and mike pence. >> now that's just what the team trump wanted, a character contrast between the vice presidential candidate and the democratic nominee, and the candidate couldn't resist again revisiting the primaries and essentially mocking his new
running mate saying that the man of honor and character wilted under pressure in the primaries and endorsed ted cruz. >> under tremendous pressure from establishment people endorsed somebody else, but it was more of an endorsement for me. >> you talk about trump, ted, and back to trump. i said who did he endorse? it was the single greatest non-endorsement i've had in my life. if nothing else, whatever your politics, let's give mike pence an a-plus for loyalty and after a weekend of reports about how donald trump had second thoughts about his choice even after offering the job to pence, here's the ticket. >> the american people are tired and we're tired of being told that this is as good as it gets. we are tired of having politicians in both parties in washington, d.c., tell us we'll get to those problems tomorrow, and as ronald reagan said, we're tired of being told that a little intellectual elite and in
a far, distant capital can plan our lives better for us than we can plan them for ourselves. donald trump gets it and he understands the american people. >> interesting. interesting. normally, the vice presidential roleout is the con day of the campaign that's about the number two. the nominee gives a quick speech, introduces the number two, donald trump didn't even say he'd be the best president if god, forbid happened to me he said i'm doing it for party unity because a lot of people don't like me. it was bizarre, but a lot of things about trump is bizarre. >> the danger that we have covering about donald trump, it's just trump. it's not just trump. this kind of thing simply doesn't happen in american politics and as we see this play out where, you know, the candidate is a grudgingly naming his running mate and saying in part he's only doing so for
party unity takes what should have been one of the really important and positive events and it steps all over it. look, there are a handful of events that candidates can plan for. the vp selection, the convention, the debates. those are the kind of events where you have a plan. you don't have a plan for nice. you don't have a plan for a coup in turkey, but you have a plan for those events and when you botch it like he did and make it all about you, it just reenforces his problems and it's the kind of thing that what he should be getting a second look reminds people of why they don't like him in the first place. >> it's such a good reminder of such of the issues that trump has and why pence was the pick. he was the safest, most boring pick that his campaign advisers could think of, someone that would sort of offer steadiness to the ticket and yet we haven't seen, you know, trump capitalize on that at all yet. >> haven't seen trump capitalize. please? >> it really shows trump's
indecision. that's what trump has tried to sell to the american public as being a decisive leader who knows what he's doing and will make america great again, but he was undecisive running up to the pence announcement and having this public wrestling match between i've made it two or three candidates and i'm still considering that pence is not my final, final decision even as mike pence was in new york waiting for the announcement. >> and to say he was always my first choice out loud. you're announcing it and you have to say it. >> it wasn't clear he knew a lot about mike pence because when he was talking about him he'd look at the paper and when he was talking about how when mike pence came to indiana it was a mess. the republican governor was there before and he seemed to remember that, oh, right, the last guy was good, too. >> trump had more energy when he talked about bobby knight. let's talk about is about to happen in this hall and everyone's saying he missteps and donald trump comes here in a very competitive position and if the election were today donald
trump might just win so the stakes here are huge. here's the number one challenge for donald trump. a lot of voters don't like him and look at these numbers and he needs to use the entertainment here and i don't want to say that sarcastically to change these, among all voters e 60% have an unfavorable opinion of donald trump. 60% of women have an unfavorable opinion. 87% of african-american. meet me in a broader fashion. >> we know they'll go after hillary clinton and assassinate her character and attack her pretty ferociously throughout the week and her numbers will go down. what we don't know is how they will sell donald trump to the american public. what his challenge is going to be is to convince the american public that he is ready and he can be commander in chief because when they look polls
also they give hillary clinton the edge on experience and take the job on day one. the speakers will have to sell donald trump and make him viewed as some of the oval office. >> donald trump the entertainer has been part of the united states for a really long time and part of the entertainment and now he needs to look like a statesman and look like someone people can trust to do pretty much everything. >> and that's yet rollout was such a blown opportunity because obviously trump advisers are worried about the critical demographic of married women, age 35 to 55 who are worried about donald trump's temperament. picking pence was supposed to show that in the moment he would make the safe decision and because of the way it all rolled out they weren't able to enforce that message. >> they're also trying to keep donald trump to a script and mike pence, look up, mike pence, like up.
whether we want to go as far back as san bernardino, and terrorist attacks in nice over the weekend and does donald trump project that we need to have a stronger government. this convention will prove to you you want us to run the country. >> you saw it the other day with the truck screaming out the window. you saw it in san bernardino. you saw it at the world trade center. you saw it in orlando. you saw it in paris. you see it all over, and hillary is a weak person. we are the law and order candidates and with a law and order party. >> help me with that balance because they do think this helps them. it's tough. law and order and people are anxious and scared, but when you are trying to get people to step back and like you more as a
person it's a constant. >> the poll from 1968 and not 2016, does that appeal to some folks? yes, absolutely. that's why he's doing it. strongman politics has its appeal and that's why he's the nominee today, but there's no question that it has a downside, too, and when times are serious people can be a little bit nervous about somebody who they're uncertain about having his hand on the red button, but john, that said, she has to find a way to project strength and security and because every time there's one of these incidents it's clear what he's going to do. he's going to seize on it relentlessly and talk about it in ways that most candidates wouldn't do and saying things like it's going to get worse. this is really bad. that's his style and it's, you know, it might turn off some folks, but it also has its appeal. >> quickly, before we take a quick break. there was talk about a coup
here. is there anyone who believes the never trump forces will have steam left? we'll have drama and protests and some people will get attention, but they don't have the votes? >> no way. >> all right. up next, inside the pence pick and why donald trump decided to pick the indiana governor and ignoring his gut and going with his staff, but first, politicians sayed darnedest things with newt gingrich walking away from the veep stakes and walking the plank? >> in many ways donald trump is like a pirate. he's bold. he's like a figure out of a movie. in a lot of ways my entire ways my career has been like a pirate. i've taken on both establishments and i've been prepared to fight in the media, do you really want a two-pirate ticket? [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
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welcome back. we know donald trump picked mike pence, but his gut, we're told, was chris christie. it was a process full of drama and full of doubt. our sources tell us trump got angry for leaking word that pence was the pick and even after hours after offering the slotted to the indiana governor trump was asking top aides is this the right call? any way i can change my mind in the trump campaign is aggressively saying we are wrong in the media and here at cnn and the candidate, he wants you to think that mike pence lapped the field. >> i found the leader who will help us deliver a safe society and a prosperous, really
prosperous society for all americans. indiana governor mike pence was my first choice. i've admired the work he's done especially in the state of indiana. >> now there's a lot of chatter in the media and among the delegates about trump listening to his staff and not his gut and some think that's a good thing and not so much. in the hall, pence is a win and they have no doubts about trump's number two. during his first big national moment used the staple line of his speeches for years. >> meme who know me well know i'm a pretty basic guy. aim a christian, conservative and republican in that order. >> now people will talk about the event. people will talk about trump's doubt, let's just for a minute, though, in this room, for these
people and a lot of people who were cruz supporters, rubio supporters and even trump supporters who might have questions about his conservative credential, pence is the right choice. >> oh, yeah. they were breathing a sigh of relief because this is someone who has not only shown conservative credentials and he's made moves that were widely criticized because of those c conservative credentials and i was meeting with other conservatives and they said the room was a giant sigh of relief at this point. >> is there a benefit beyond cleveland in the sense that people say what does the vice presidential pick get you? mike pence is from the heartland, and indiana usually leans red and you have to get into michigan, ohio and pennsylvania and however i would make the point that mitt romney picked paul ryan and said we'll do better in the midwest and win wisconsin. time doesn't vote that way. people vote for president. >> especially with trump, my goodness. that's going to be what folks
are voting on is he and hillary. here's where i think pence helped trump. i think pence helps trump quiet down the barrage of negative press from elected gop officials and from other senior folks in the party who now have at least an out. they have someone they can go to. they are somewhat mollified by this and think jeff may, outspoken trump critic. he and pence are very close friends and served in the house together. so it's a sort of inside play. you help settle some of the folks that were constant critics of trump. >> and you see paul ryan come out saying enthusiastically say i like mike pence and mitch mcconnell, but there are a number of things that make things harder for donald trump given that they have disagreed on some key issues including nafta and trade deals and that's
at the centerpiece of donald trump's campaign. the iraq war as he's questioning hillary's judgment for voting for the iraq war. mike pence supported the iraq war and the libya invasion, as well and these are things while donald trump could attack hillary clinton over. when you think about the universe of swing voters that would be our real focus if republicans come out unified with this convention. there were a lot of people who were in that swing voter group who liked the fact that donald trump has not always been consistent on abortion and are aren't quite sure where he is on those social issues and believe that he's been more friendly on lgbt issues. the pence pick does draw the conversation back to those issues in a way that might be very uncomfortable for donald trump because pence has been so conservative and consistent on those issues and donald trump has kind of moved around. >> does it matter? you make a key point and mike pence said it was un-american and unconstitutional when donald
trump proposed his ban on muslims and pence criticized it quite probably as you mentioned yesterday during his speech, nafta was railing against nafta and against iraq and mike pence voted for it, but you can make the case that these two don't fit together or you can make the case this is a sign of bigness, that donald trump wants someone in the room that will disagree with him from time to time. you're smiling. >> do you believe that? >> here's the other thing about mike pence, when he was in the house he was an agitator and he was a burn to the leadership side, when he became part of the republican leadership he became a team player and that's when you talk to boehner's folks to some of the other down ballot people they will say pence will get in line and pence will be a team player. so that's good for donald trump and that ticket. >> definitely couldn't say that about newt gingrich. those two could be trading shots at each other the whole campaign. >> this drama that trump had.
he's never been in politics. sometimes we make fun of him, and however, this is the first big choice you make as the nominee. the fact that he was second guessing his staff and he felt boxed in by his staff, does it matter, though? now that the decision's made, does it matter that his gut was christie and is it a good thing or a bad thing? >> the first thing is do no harm and mike pence is not going to presumably make a major gaffe that could change the complexion of the campaign the way sarah palin did in 2008 or frankly, newt gingrich was talking about sharia law when he was being considered for the vice presidential pick and that became a big distraction and presumably mike pence will not be doing that. >> if you're mike pence, can you go through the next 213 days knowing that you were sort of -- >> we also know from talking to
pence advisers that this was a topic whether or not it was a good idea for him to do this or not, whether the political future that he has so carefully cultivated can be ruined by this. >> he's hitching his wagon to donald trump in which he will have to submit to the top of the ticket and be a good soldier for the next four months. i have no doubt that he will, and he's started doing it, but does it have implications for pence. how does he take the world view, trade, immigration, national security certainly, putting it aside for the purposes of a four-month shotgun marriage? >> if trump loses the party will run away from everything that trump stood for and pence will essentially have owned it if he doesn't figure out a way to distance himself. >> a much riskier move for pence. >> on the gut staff thing, on the gut staff thing, if mike pence does not do well on the one event that matters the vice
presidential debate i can see trump getting a lot of i told you sos. >> and the constant leak, can you imaginmagine? >> dukakis had some of that and each clinton-gore and that's the recurring theme in the politics. ambition. >> up next, dallas and now nice. how terror and violence impact the 2016 election climate. t-mobile covers your business in more places. so you can take your business just about anywhere.
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very different candidates with an identical challenge. use their spotlight to see how you view the choice. donald trump wants to you to know that changing washington is the most imperative. hillary clinton has a different view. she wants you to think that a steady hand is what the country needs right now. she wants you to think donald trump is a loose canon and not a narcissist and it's game on beginning tomorrow. two powerful data points as we begin this new phase. six in ten americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction. and 54% say they feel less safe than they did five or ten years ago. those are pretty powerful openings for trump to make the case for change. something different. that is his challenge here to come into this room and say washington is broken. i can create more jobs. i can keep you safer. she's a part of the status quo, the republicans understand what
they need to do for four days. the question is can they pull it o off? >> if trump stays on script and if the pros who are running the convention and the party and his campaign, can create a coherent message, they should be able to get a balance out of this. >> i think part of the reason why the vp rollout was a lost opportunity was because they should have been a ten-day, two-week good message opportunity for republicans. they can still make up for it by having a good week here, and i think there's no reason to think they should -- can he stay on the prompter? that's the question. will he give a speech that's scripted and written for him that will appeal to the broad swath of voters that will be compelling to those who are still undecided at home and if he can and everything else goes off smoothly, i have no doubt they will. >> i think as much as hillary clinton is trying to capitalize
on being the steady hand and what she was doing as secretary of state while donald trump was, you know, running the entertainment world, i think that she has a burden on her now especially with what we've seen in the last couple of days in nice. people are afraid. they want to hear that she's going to do something different. donald trump is obviously going to do something different and people don't know exactly what that is, and so it really does put pressure on her to roll out plans to how she would protect americans in a way that people don't feel safe with president obama right now. >> and one of the things that donald trump looks at the poll numbers and can be heartened by that a lot of the polls have him leading on who can keep america safe and terrorism. >> and on the economy. >> and on the economy which is one reason why they'll push it very, very hard this week and make hillary clinton look like someone you cannot trust. there will be a lot of focus on benghazi on the criticism that
she did handle classified e-mails carelessly and the criticism by the fbi director and that will be a big focus and a large part because they believe it plays into the national security argument. >> you have these two competing dynamics in the country and one if you look at demographics and the coalition and the professionalism of the campaign teams and advantage clinton. if you look at the change environment. two-thirds of americans think we're off on the wrong track and people are frustrated about the economy and the terrorism fears and the climate for change, sometimes the climate for change overwhelms the traditional campaign metrics and that's the big question for me for the next few days is can trump frame this as a change election so when the democrats raise the curtain in philadelphia they have the american people thinking we're not changed. >> no, exactly. >> trump certainly is change in a way that she is not, and look, it's hard to see any democrat who would be struggling with
donald trump -- or not struggling, but this competitive with trump besides her right now, and i think part of the reason why that is is because she so embodies the political status quo. if the trump folks can seize that opportunity and take advantage of that they should have an opportunity to gain traction with the polls coming out of this, but the problem is, as you know, those poll balances from conventions can be so -- and even if they do frame this as change and probably successful because it could be successful because, of course, voters hate washington. the one thing that the clinton campaign does have going for it is that the president's numbers are actually pretty good right now. he's been on the upswing. that could -- and she's essentially running for a third obama term and that could help barack obama and it's incredibly important for her even if she does roll out a pretty conventional, more establishment type speakers in her convention.
>> what the democrats will do is this isn't change. this is extreme home makeover and knocking down the house and what do you have? >> their challenge is to show this is too much. she's the steady hand. she is too much change and you don't even know what you will get with this. it's a box with a question mark on it. >> to that point, as donald trump prepares for that convention, but they assume the republicans know how to put together a television and donald trump and hillary clinton are a neck and neck race. as donald trump tries to reintroduce himself to the country and say close your eyes, you can see me
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and the new america states, states that are me diverse in the population that are around the corner with the economic transition, virginia, colorado, the numbers look pretty good and you get into the gritty, industrial states and they're much more tense. up next, bernie sanders made
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welcome back. one big question at every convention is when will the nominees show up? donald trump speaks on thursday night and mr. trump will be in the hall monday night, the first night of the convention. why? to introduce his wife melania who speaks to the delegates on the first night of the convention and we look forward
to that and what about hillary clinton? she will not be silent during donald trump's coronation. she has big speeches including courting after can americans and labor unions as she tries to make a decision about picking a running mate. some polls show a dead heat and other polls show her in a bit of a lead and here's one footnote from a cbs/new york times survey. 67% of persamericans -- 67% of americans say she is not trustworthy. by most accounts, this is why. >> i think she's was extremely careless and negligent. there's no doubt that uncleared people had access to the server. there was classified material e-mail. >> secretary of state clinton said there was nothing marked classified e-mails either sent or received. was that true? >> that's not true. >> as we turn from primary season to convention season, hillary clinton would prefer you
focus on this. >> our job now is to see that platform implemented by a democratically controlled senate, a democratically controlled house and a hillary clinton presidency, and i inten country to make certain that happens! >> it was remarkable talking to people last week. clinton allies especially her super pack allies about the impact of comey, about how essentially it was a bag of bricks put on her back that she had questions and honesty and trustworthiness was a question and they said it just pounded her and the fbi said there will be no charges, but the short-term result was a pounding. >> the short term and medium term and hard to imagine a tougher campaign.
>> there are so many things that he said that gave republicans ammunition saying that if she worked for the fbi she would be fired and she would face discipline. >> extremely careless. >> extremely careless as she deleted records potentially with classified information and foreign govern ams and hostile actors could gain access to her private e-mail server and even though she was charged so much political ammunition. >> the huge burden that she will have going into her convention even though bernie sanders stood at her side with so many of the people that supported him did not support her because of those trust issues. they believe that the clintons live and operate by a different system. they continue to have trust issues and many of them said to me there's no way that i'm going to vote for her no matter what bernie sanders says. i'm going to go with jill stein and she has a big task ahead and she'll have to move past that. >> most sanders voters are
coming her way and still, it's a very close election and there's still a close amount, jill stein has work to do there. and we know the republicans will amplify the trust issues over the next few days and hillary clinton understands this and her points and listen to her on the campaign trail, maybe you don't like me, but she'll rally the obama base and maybe you don't like me, this guy's worse. >> donald trump's campaign adds up to an ugly, dangerous message to america. a message that you should be afraid. afraid of people whose ethnicity is different or religious faith is different or who were born in a different country or hold different political beliefs. >> consistent theme she's m magnified it and let me try to turn on the obama coalition and
people who don't like trump, and african-american, latinos, it's trump-pence and as clinton makes her choice and by most accounts we'll get it friday and we'll see, things change. but does the pence pick or the current state of the race and the tight polling and the national polls, anyway, does that influence who she's looking for? >> i think democrats are glad he picked pence in a lot of ways because one of the problems pence has is women. >> i don't know that it will affect her pick, but i do think that this was a good thing for democrats or they see it that way. >> to be fair, most people in america have no idea who mike pence is. >> very true. >> and the democrats are moving quickly to define him as someone who has been completely unfriendly to women over the course of his career. >> is this someone that can generate enthusiasm from progressives and younger people
who are not enthused by hillary clinton and you talk to democrats and they don't feel they're as imperative because of the fact that donald trump just energized. >> do you do tim cain and take virginia off the board and he speaks spanish and john hickenlooper came this week and an interesting pick for clinton. >> i think cain has an advantage, and watch tom sill vanning and perez. russia invaded georgia, obama picked joe biden in the wake of that. events matter. what happened the next few days on the world stage, does that push her toward a military-type pick? we'll see how that one plays out. >> including some indiana drama that has nothing to do with mike pence and first the results of our political pick and we asked you who she should pick as vice president and most of you prefer someone who will probably not get the job, bernie sanders. (man) what i love most about
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sxro. let's go once more around the "inside politics" roundtable. >> the democrats will be here. hillary clinton's campaign will have a counter convention just a mile from the q arena where we are right now and they'll be running with the theme of better than this and they're going to have a host of surrogates including al franken, the funny man turned senator. poking fun at republicans and serious, too, they're going to launch a big effort this week to register voters. the goal being 3 million new voters and hoping to use what folks are seeing on stage to fire up liberal voters back home. >> good test to see if donald trump can motivate. jackie kucinich? >> we've seen the policies between trump and mike pence and they will make it easier to sue
us. mike pence as recently as 2013 and throughout his career in congress advocated for a federal media shield law which would prevent reporters from being prosecuted if they refused to reveal confidential sources. we doubt that pence will get trump to completely warm to us, but maybe he'll get a little bit closer. >> a little bit closer maybe. >> may? >> we knew the message has been the big focus right now of the trump campaign and all eyes after the convention will be on the ground game. right now we know the rnc has been carrying an incredibly heavy load when it comes to voter turnout and voter contact and the trump team is trying to ramp up and they have are knocking on doors without literature. >> somebody call the print shop. >> indiana may be the center of the political order because of mike pence's pick, but also because of evan bayh and the former democratic senator suddenly wanted to run for reelection this year for the seat he abandoned in 2010.
suddenly he gives democrats a chance to get back the seat and potentially the senate majority, but he has a lot of baggage and republicans are revving up a pretty aggressive attack line against him. he spent a lot of time in washington with corporate interests since he left his job as the united states senator, and also his sheer ambition they're going to go after. he had eyed the governor's mansion. he also, i'm told from democrats who are monitoring his decision. he seemed to be angling or gauging whether he be picked as hillary clinton's runningmate and expect that to come forward as this attack ref revs up and becoming a bigger role. >> skipping donald trump's convention doesn't necessarily mean skipping cleveland all together. mono set lubricant of politics and many of the gop's biggest donors will be here in chi
cleveland, and for a few days or weeks. get be onning his schedule is a top priority for several republican and gop-friendly ohs who think trump is toxic, but they want to give addelson more money because they want to help republicans defend their house and senate majorities. follow the money. that's it for "inside politics qwe ." we'll see you here every day at noon eastern for a special daily "inside politics." up next, "state of the union" with jake tapper. ♪ ♪ oh, look... ...another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen.
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