tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN July 17, 2016 6:00am-7:01am PDT
hello, cleveland! we are live inside the arena on the eve of what promises a convention like no other. >> the convention's going to be terrific. we have fantastic speakers. >> what to expect this week as donald trump takes his biggest stage yet. plus pence is the pick. >> i accept your invitation to
run and serve as vice president of the united states of america. >> after a confusing rollout, donald trump chooses his running hate with his head, not his gut. could it backfire? >> and world on fire. a violent attempt to overthrow the government of trushgy as the president there tries to take control via facetime this, whil dozens cling to life after the devastating terrorist attack in nice, france. what can the u.s. do? secretary of state john kerry will be here in minutes, plus the best political minds live from cleveland with insights from the campaign trail. welcome to "state of the unon." pardon me. i'm jake tapper live in cleveland for the republican national convention where the state of our union today is, frankly, in turmoil with the
major security event about to get under way here, the global landscape is quite turbulent. 18 people are hovering between life and death in france after that deadly attack in the coastal city of nice that killed 84 other innocent people. french officials now saying that the man who murdered them all texted an unknown recipient just before the attack saying, quote, bring more weapons. bring to c. unquote. four of his associates were arrested over the weekend and this while turkey is roiling after a violent and confusing weekend. turkish president erdogan saying he is back in control after an attempt to overthrow his government in the middle of the night. he claims his rival fethullah ghoul an who is living in self-imposed exile in pennsylvania masterminded the entire thing. he says that without providing any evidence of it and now he's
demanding that president obama turn him over. ghoul an responded by suggesting that the coup may have been staged by erdogan himself. it is a messy situation in a country that is a vital u.s. ally in the war against isis. and joining me now is secretary of state john kerry who is on his way to brussel. secretary, thanks for joining us. let's start with the coup in turkey. more than 200 have been killed since the uprising began. operations at the air base there has been halted and power's been cut and our troops are operating off of military generators and five military facilities in turkey have been placed at the highest alert level. this is a hiej level of disrespect. who is responsible for this? is it erdogan? >> jake, we don't have all of the details of what has happened with respect to the coup. what we do know is this, i talked three times yesterday with the foreign minister of
turkey. they assure me that there will be no interruption of our counter isil efforts and incirlik. apparently, there has been refuelling with the turkish air force with planes that were flying in the coup itself and i think that has something to do with what's taken place there. it's not focused on us. they have absolutely assured us of their commitment to the fight against daesh and their foreign minister will be coming to washington with their defense minister in three days for a major conference we have with 45 countries, foreign minister, defense ministers to keep pushing forward on the strategy against daesh. i expect operations will get back to normal very quickly and we don't know the details of the coup, and i think the turkish government itself is trying to figure out the full measure of who was involved and how.
>> has this affected the fight against isis or as you call it d.a.s.h.? >> no, it has not, according to our commanders it might have been a minor delay here or there, but it has not affected the fundamental direction or commitment to the fight. >>. >> as you know, the president of turkey demanded the u.s. arrest or hand over one of his enemies, fethullah ghoa tullea gulan, is going to comply with this demand for extradition? >> well, first of all, we have not had a formal request for extradition and it has to come with a formal package and documentation for the request and go to the justice department and we will deal with it. i made it very, very clear to the foreign minister of turkey yesterday, the united states is not harboring anybody.
we're not preventing anything from happening. we've never had a formal request for extradition, and we have always said give us the evidence, show us the evidence, we need a solid, legal foundation that meets the standard of extradition in order for our courts to approve such a request. so we're waiting for that. they tell us they are putting it together and will send it to us, but we think it's irresponsible to have accusations of american involvement when we're simply waiting for their request which we're absolutely prepared to act on if it meets the legal standard? >> does u.s. intelligence have any idea that this attempted coup was about to happen? >> i don't think anybody's intelligence had information particularly the turkish intelligence. the answer is no. this is the nature of a coup. you rarely have indicators that something's about to happen.
>> let's turn now if we can, sir, to the terrorist attack in nice on saturday. isis claimed responsibility for inspiring that horrific truck attack that killed 84 people and wounding more than 200. does the u.s. have any intelligence to back up his claim by isis that at the very least, inspired the attack. >> well, there is public information that has been leaking out from france, from the investigation itself regarding a, quote, very rapid period of radicalization. we know, obviously, what everybody now knows publicly that he was a tunisian who was given permission to live in france, but we have -- we had no knowledge of him as a radicalized individual and at this point in time we're waiting for the investigators and we're helping the investigation in any way that is possible. our hearts go out to everybody in france.
this is the third major terrorist attack in france. it's very, very difficult for the french people. we understand that. there are 85 people in the hospital now. 20-plus in the intensitive care unit. so we are working with the french to try to put the pieces together, but, you know, this is one of those things, jake, it's worse than the needle in a haystack. if you have no indications of somebody and you don't have any track record of radicalization and all of a sudden over a week or some period someone with an apparent mental problems anyway decides to go do great harm to people, it is not hard to do that, and governments and law enforcement have to be able to get this right every hour, every day, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 365 days a year. if you're a terrorist and particularly of -- of, you know,
one or two days vintage, you can just go out and do something very easily. what we believe this indicates, however, is that d.a.s.h. isil in syria and iraq is under great, great pressure and people are acting out in various places, but they are not growing in their ability to do things. they are shrinking. we've taken back 40% and 45% of the territory they held in iraq and we're squeezing town after town and we've liberated communities and we're making progress now and advancing on mosul in syria, likewise, and they're not able to attack and hold towns, they are on the run, and i believe what we're seeing are the desperate actions of an entity that seies the noose closing around it. >> with all due respect, sir, i'm not sure it looks that way to the public that isis is on the run in the last few weeks. >> well, obviously.
>> a series of isis-inspired attacks and 49 killed in orlando and 45 killed in istanbul and more than 200 killed in baghdad and 84 in nice. this is just the last five weeks and i don't think isis is on the run and might be expanding. >> jake, it depends on where you mean isis. i don't know if this guy was actually isis nor do you. and we don't know that the guy in orlando was fundamentally isis nor even told what to do by isis. if people are inspired, they're inspired, but isil which is based in syria is under huge pressure and that is just a fact. there are thousands of fighters, some of whom left the area of the fighting years ago and they are sitting in some community somewhere in the world and if you're saying that one person standing up one day and killing people is a reflection of isis moving in iraq and syria, i think you're dead wrong.
now, is it capable for people to be inspired by them and go out and do great harm to people? >> i said that. i acknowledge that, yes, there is that danger, but the core of isis is in raqqah and it's in mambj and we are doing everything in our power to put pressure them and i believe their days are numbered. >> you are doing everything you can do? i mean, there are a lot of people in the united states, in the pentagon and the national security apparatus who have a number of suggestions as to what more could be done to put pressure and to eliminate the threat of isis. >> correct. a lot of people have talked about american troops going in, et cetera. congress displayed absolutely zero willingness to vote to do that, and if people have a
willingness to show that now that has changed, the administration will listen to any legitimate plan, any legitimate way to do more, but i believe that the pressure is mounting on a steady basis with more and more being done on a consistent basis and we welcome additional thoughts for members of congress and from anybody in the intel community and the defense community who knows or suggests president obama is open to any legitimate ways of moving faster, that meets the test of our security needs and of what the congress is willing to support. mr. secretary, i'm being told that you have to go and that you have a meeting with the prime minister and we always appreciate your time, thank you so much and good luck out there, sir. >> thank you. thank you, jake. appreciate it. >> coming up, trump picks pence for party unity, but are the two of them actually united?
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper, and we are here live at the republican national convention in cleveland. things are going to kick off here tomorrow with donald trump hoping to make his biggest splash yet, but our brand new cnn/orc poll out right now shows voters seem dug in when it comes to opinion to donald trump and his democratic opponent hillary clinton. she leads by 42% and trump with 37%, no change for either of them, but gary johnson surges to 13% and green party candidate jill stein is at 5%. also in this poll in the wake of
the end of the fbi investigation into her private e-mail server, 65% of the american people say they do not see hillary clinton as honest. as for donald trump. his pick of mike pence is getting a tepid response. voters so far like him less than they do previous republican vice presidential picks. >> and joining us now is reince priebus, the chairman of the republican national committee. thank you very much for being here. really appreciate it. >> happy to be here. >> let's start with the big scoop that dana bash reported a couple of days another that other publications and media organizations have also reported which is that up until midnight thursday night mr. trump was asking his top aides if there was any way theoretically he could get out of the pence pick, and that he seemed to be sort of resentful of the fact that people were urging him to go with his head instead of his gut. was trump's not heart in the pence pick, do you think?
>> no. not at all. it was in the pence pick, and it had been in the pence pick for quite a while. i don't think with respect to dana, i don't think that report was accurate. i think it was coming from places -- >> it wasn't just dana. it was "the new york times" and "the washington post," they can spin multiple places and that's not just where trump was at. i spoke to him multiple times that day. i know what he was thinking. he certainly didn't want to make an announcement on the heels of the disaster in nice and so he decided to announce on saturday and no time in between that was he skeptical of the pence pick. >> we know that in between the time that he offered the job to pence and pence arrived in new york on his plane donald trump went on fox and said that he had not made his final, final decision. >> because he wanted to make -- he wanted to keep people guessing. he wanted to make it more
suspenseful and the fact that everything was coming down and people were talking, i think that frustrated donald trump, but he was with peps. he knew pence was the the right pick and that's where his head and heart was at for quite some time before. >> is that who you want himmed to pick? >> think it was a great pick and it's a great juxtaposition, and he's a great personality and they don't grow on everything which shows maturity and a pivot for the general election and i think it was a perfect pick. >> speaking of want agreeing on everything. take a listen to trump's proposed muslim ban back in november. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown on muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> now, the very next day indiana governor mike pence tweeted calls to ban muslims
from entering the u.s. are offensive and unconstitutional. so help me understand what's going to happen here. is there going to be a total and complete ban on muslims entering the united states until we can, quote, figure out what the hell is going on or is there not going to be one? >> no. what donald trump -- if you've seen the last few weeks, his position that he's put on the table and his position papers that are on his website and what he's been talking about is a temporary ban of immigration from countries that harbor and train terrorists until we get a better vetting system that is consistent with house bills and senate bills and that's donald trump's position and there is no religious test on the table. it is simply limited to countries that are harboring and training terrorists and that's really where 75% of the american people are at. it is a good position to be in. >> sure, but that proposal that you just enumerate side different from what he said in
december and he has said that he has not backed off or changed his position. >> no, no, no. >> he has pivoted with his position. >> that's your interpretation and not his interpretation. >> he has changed his position. >> i agree that you say he has pivoted. >> that is his position. it is not a religious test. it is a ban from immigration from countries that harbor or train terrorists and that's what i believe in and that's what 80% of the american people believe in. >> another issue where they have disagreed is the iraq war. mike pence stood shoulder to shoulder with george w. bush and he voted when he was in the house and he stood by that quote and donald trump calls it a big, fat mistake. for voters who care and want to know where the pence-trump ticket will take this country is this a ticket that would have supported the iraq war or not? >> you have to ask them. i think that what it does show
is that donald trump is willing to be challenged by other people. it shows that he's not looking for someone -- for yes people around him and he's also is willing and wants to show the american people that he wants to put a person on the ticket that doesn't agree with him on everything. i think that shows a lot of maturity. i think it shows an understanding of the electorate and an understanding of what the job is to defeat hillary clinton. i think it's very good. >> i guess the question is does it muddy what donald trump stands for because what a lot of voters who voted for him find appealing is that he opposed the war in iraq and he says although there is very little evidence that he did before it happened and let's just say he was an th anti-iraq. he said about the trans-pacific partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country just a continuing rape of our country, very strong
words some might say offensive, rape victims. >> take a look at what mike pence would say, tpp. he tweeted trade means jobs and trade means security and the time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the transpacific partnership. well, i mean, if i'm a republican voter or democratic voter who is not married to hillary clinton and i look at this and think, this guy thinks that tpp is rape and this guy thinks it's the best thing in the world. you'd be surprised. this is a split issue in our party. not everyone is craze betpp. i can tell you these delegates aren't craze bethe tpp. a lot of the base isn't crazy about tpp. >> the vice president is. >> listen, not -- not as wildly crazy as you may think. >> trade means job, but trade also means security and the time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the tpp which donald trump thinks is rape. >> listen. that's true, and what i'm saying
to you is that some folks in our party like tpp, some don't. the fact that we have two people together that have a different opinion on tpp is not some sort of stunning, startling news. overlaying all of this, donald trump's basic position on trade is that he wants to cut better deals and he wants to look at the deals that are in place. >> everybody wants better deals. >> right? and donald trump believes and a lot of people believe that if you'll have someone on the other end of the negotiating table he would be the other guy to have on the other end of the negotiating table. his ven his strength and negotiating ability and his desire to do better is his most important position on trade and that's what he's always said and again, i don't think it's a bad thing that we've got two people that have a different opinion on tpp. >> donald trump said that he picked mike pence because he wants to unify the party. >> by the way, when you said your vp, i thought you were talking about paul ryan. when i said, not quite. i wasn't sure you were talking about pence.
>> oh, i'm sorry. >> you need to get your mind into the 2016 nominee. i know your heart's in wisconsin. >> my friend paul and that's what i thought you were referring to. >> they have the same position on tpp and mike pence and paul ryan. >> not 100% the same. >> i guess my question is this. donald trump said that mike pence was picked at least in part to unify the party, and i wonder how much you can have somebody that is actually a partner in governance and a partner in campaigning in the pick is really more of of a political pick as opposed to this is a guy that i believe in, and we share the same, exact views on the most important issues. >> i think it shows that he understands that bringing diversity of experience on to the ticket is an important thing to do and his foreign relations on indiana and budgets and the difference in demeanor is something that will be very
valuable. >> that's for sure. >> you know what? people love strength and people love that about donald trump and it's good and reassuring to see a diversity and style. >> i could go on, but i'm getting the wrap here. >> thank you so much and have a great convention and hope it's peaceful and most importantly and of course, very successful. >> it's beautiful. >> coming up, did you ever have someone break up with you who didn't even have the courtesy to pick up the phone and call? yeah? well, then now you know how chris christie might be feeling today. his tortuous triumphs end in heartbreak for some. when you booked this trip, you didn't know we had hundreds of thousands of places to stay all over the world. or that we searched billions of flights to get you here.
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>> indiana governor mike pence was my first choice. >> okay. kind of an odd thing to say when you're asking someone to dance. why might trump feel compelled that indiana governor mike pence was his first choice, that he really likes mike? >> perhaps, perhaps speculation it's the big cnn scoop that mr. trump was having doubts until the very last minute asking top advisers until midnight thursday night if it was still possible to back out and choose someone else, possibly chris christie. i don't know. the drama, the intrigue, the heartbreak, here to talk about it all cnn political contributors bakari sellers who supports hillary clinton and ana navarro, republican, who does not know who she will vote for, corey lewandowski. >> are you a hillary clinton supporter? >> i'm going to the convention.
>> maybe we'll talk about that next week. >> please. >> complicated. corey, let me address this issue about chris christie here. from the perspective of chris christie and this is all speculation and he was first, major current office hold tore come out of the box and support donald trump. he took a lot of heat for it in state among his supporters, and he's acknowledged he was disappointed that he wasn't picked. >> donald trump talks a lot about loyalty, but when i look at chris christie and when i look at you who got him the nomination, you could look at sarah palin, too, not invited to speak here. does that loyalty run two ways or is it a one-way street loyalty to donald? >> mr. trump is a very loyal person. i think what you see with chris christie is someone who has been loyal for a long time and it's a long relationship and it precedes their tenure in politics and what donald trump has said is chris christie, is he will have a major role in his administration somewhere. he didn't choose him as a vice president, but that doesn't mean
he's not loyal. bringing mike pence onboard has helped shore up the conservative movement and it's helped shore up that people continue to question if donald trump was going to go with his heart or with his gut and when we saw here is he did the write thing in picking mike pence to help unify the party. >> he went with his head. his gut would have been more chris christie, and the rollout a little ms.y because of -- look, let's cast it in the most positive way, he's being transparent and we like transparency in the media and he's being transparent with his feelings and emotions and will that hurt pence and the post-convention bouts that people usually get? >> frankly, i don't think so. >> it's a two-a day story and it was entertaining and it was usual trump drama. there was nothing dramatic about the pick. and i think mike pence is the safest, most stable pick for a very unsafe, unstable donald trump and the way the rollout
happened was dramatic. i haven't been that interested in a finale since the who shot j.r. "dallas" episode. >> you aren't that old. >> i am that old. it was the bachelorette, who will get the rose? he had us hanging on his every word for 24 hours and we didn't know if the poor man was going to get to the altar. >> let's keep the -- >> j.r.? who is j.r.? >> are those the people that don't like to watch tv? >> bakari, newt gingrich, his response is it might not be a good idea to have me on the ticket. i don't know if you need a two-pirate ticket. do you agree with corey that this is probably of those three, the smartest pick for mr. trump to have made? >> well, as a democrat, mike pence puts absolutely no fear in my heart and i don't know any democrat one who really knows mike pence or two, is afraid of him on the stump or anywhere
else and he's not the brash personality that newt gingrich is and he's not the skilled debater that they are and he's not an intimidatinintimidating, figure and i know he built a bridge for more conservatives and mike pence is anti-lgbt and he's anti-women and all of these things where donald trump needs to go and mike pence doesn't get you there and if you look at their disagreements on. they disagree on libya. they disagree on iraq and disagree on trade and this is a weird, weird ticket, but it's typical donald trump. >> what matters, bakari is who is on top? >> let's leave that there. one thing donald trump said in his announcement on saturday had to do with one of the reasons he picked pence and it's relevant to what corey said about party unity. let's take a listen. >> now i think if you look at one of the big reasons that i chose mike and one of the
reasons is party unity. i have to be honest. >> party unity, nina? hillary clinton will make her pick next week or maybe even sooner and you're a big supporter of bernie sanders and still are a big supporter of bernie sanders and should hillary clinton think along those same lines and party unity is important if not sanders someone in the progressive mold? >> like senator brown, for example. >> you're from ohio. >> right. i have to give my senator a shout out. party unity should be a major factor and when you're a presidential candidate you need to bring someone that comp limbs you and brings someone to the table and democrats haven't done it since the 1960s so ohio is certainly a place to go and senator sanders has not been vetted for it and i'm not sure he'd want it if he did it, so that's off the table and in terms of shoring up the left she
speaks to someone who speaks to them. >> there is an interesting report by vivica novak saying there is this rule for the securities and exchange commission saying people in charge of the state pension fund so governors cannot receive more than $350 from people on wall street and that hurt the fund-raising of chris christie and governor wisconsin, and it hurt the fund-raising of the pence ticket because pence is in charge of the pensions for indianans. is that a concern at all? >> i don't think so. unlike donald trump and the hillary clinton campaign and she's received $40 million in this campaign. >> did he tell you that? >> i heard it from bernie sanders, so it's got to be true and i'm sure it's much, much more now. the difference is if you look at the fund-raising numbers that's coming up from the trump campaign it's small dollars and coming in through the internet and it doesn't impact who is on
the ticket and it's the grassroots that will support the trump campaign. >> coming up, one vp pick down, one to go. who will hillary clinton choose? the panel will weigh in next. you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.
would you go to congress and ask for a declaration of war? >> i would. i would. this is war. >> it's clear we are at war with the terrorist group and what they represent. it's a different kind of war, and we need to be smart about how we wage it and win it. >> donald trump and hillary clinton weighing in immediately after the deadly truck attack, terrorist attack in nice, france, this week. let's talk about all of this with our panel.
bakari, conventional wisdom is that terrorist attack, national security crisis helps republican, economic crisis helps democrat. do you think that these types of attacks are helping to keep donald trump competitive? >> i don't think so. i think as this continues to shake out what you will see is the lack of capacity and the lack of depth donald trump has when it comes to foreign policy. we all remember the chuck todd interview when he said i get my foreign policy from the shows, and then -- >> nothing wrong with that. this is one of them. a brilliant show. people get a lot of information from it. >> i hop he's watching today and when asked about turkey this week, he said i have a lot of friends there. god bless them. i hope they're okay. this is the type of depth and nuance that you're dealing with issues especially like isis and isil. the country will see that there is a vast, experience and difference between donald trump
and hillary clinton. >> an unsteady world needs a steady leader. >> including in the new cnn/orc poll, what would it take to convince the skeptics on the there that he actually is best prepared for the job? >> think what you have is you have donald trump meeting with his foreign policy advisers. you've got mike pence who has spent time when he was in the house on the committee that has jurisdiction understanding what was taking place as it relates to foreign policy and you have the leader with mike pence. >> they disagree on everything. >> they don't disagree on everything. >> iraq, libya, there is a lot of disagreement between mr. pence and mr. trump. >> if you look at candidates and their runningmates there's always been disagreement and they come together because it's for the better of the country and specifically for the briefing that i'm talking about, he thinks things, mr. pence, whether or not whether anyone agrees with him, and that's where you put the best people in the room and you have the person
who will be the president of the united states making those decisions based on the totality of the people that you have and you have people like jeff sessions in those briefings making sure he understands everything he needs to. the fact is we are at war with isis and we need to do something immediately overseas to make sure they don't come here. >> let's turn now to hillary clinton's pick for vp because i want to hear what everyone thinks and here is a look of possible vice presidents, we have tim kaine, senator from virginia, sharon brown, senator from ohio, javi xavier becerra, sherrod brown, and tom perez, julian castro, vilsack, john hicken looper and senator from colorado and amy klobuchar from minnesota and al franken, another senator from minnesota and retired general james staff
rides. so that is a big, big plate. i would just like ton who you think would be good for her, nina? >> of course, i said my senator, sherrod brown, but in terms of senator cory booker, he brings some excitement and energy to the ticket which the secretary needs. he will probably be able to draw on the millennials which she needs, but also in terms of his criminal justice reform, he is really strong and big in that area and so that will be important, as well, but even more than the vice president pick, when you asked the question about unity. unity is also going to require a deep commitment to that platform. i know a lot of going on in the world and the media didn't really cover what was going on in orlando, but in order to bring lots of people from the left in especially those on the way left it is going to take a real commitment to execution of that platform. >> bakari? . >> well, i think what we saw in donald trump and mike pence is they got the senior citizen,
white male demographic taken care of in their ticket and i think hillary clinton will go in a different direction. i think tim kaine is a possibility and i hope she picks thomas perez and that would speak loudly to the country. >> he is secretary of labor. not a lot of people know him. >> correct. it's an opportunity to get to know him. he is brilliant, wonkish and matches her intellect. he's hispanic and that will peek to a new lecter. >> nobody knows who mike pence is outside of indiana. as he gets on the circuit people will be impressed by him and one thing, just picking on what nina said when you talk about cory booker and elizabeth warren, the last thing they want is charlie backer or chris christie picking -- >> we have about a minute left and i want 30 seconds each on who you actually think would be good for her, hillary clinton, each though understood you don't want her to win. >> if she picks elizabeth warren
it helps her in a lot of ways and it brings the whole left side of the base for her that bernie sanders supported and from the electoral perspective, the american people don't want her and she's too far left and i think if she actually wants to govern, she would pick tim kaine and a person who overshadows her. he potentially takes virginia off of the map because he will do very well there and he's someone that i think she could work with. >> all right. very quickly. >> trump picking pence liberates her to pick whoever she wants. she is sugarless vanilla, fat-free vanilla ice cream. she doesn't now have to think about who can debate a chris christie? who can debate a newt gingrich. mike pence is not most energetic pick and i think she goes with her gut and who she feels good with and i think that's tim kaine.
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