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drama takes center stage on night three of the goppen convention. this is a special cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. it is after hours here at the cnn grill and it's packed. the grill is packed tonight. we have a lot to talk about. the politician formerly known as lion's head -- that's what donald trump called him -- ted cruz takes the stage for a highly anticipated speech, mentioning trump exactly once. and failing to endorse his party's nominee simply saying, vote your conscious. even as echos scream we want trump. and mike pence gets his turn in the spotlight and eric trump makes a speech he promises he wrote himself. we're going to go through all of that. the political dream team is here. mark preston, caylee, bakari, another smile from ear to ear. amanda carpenter is here.
and andy dean -- camera three, can you go down right here? look at this.. look at that. >> he's comfortable. >> andy has taken off his shoes. he's relaxing. >> and i'm wearing two right socks. >> that's how much comprehension he gets. that's how much he understands. you are a true republicans, two right, two ares. >> nothing left in me, nothing. >> the man who stole the night, ted cruz? ted cruz. >> he stole it, but it wasn't a good steal. >> donald stole it back, too, right? >> a lot of drama. let's look at ted cruz and then we'll talk. >> if you love our country and love your children as much as i know that you do, stand and speak and vote your conscious, vote for candidates up ask down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the constitution.
and gray, and when our work is done, and we give those we love one final kiss good-bye, we will be able to say free matters and i was part of something beautiful. the case we have to make to the american people, the case each person in this room has to make to the american people, is to commit to each of them that we will defend freedom and be faithful to the constitution.
we will unite the party, we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty. god bless each and every one of you and god bless the united states of america. >> all right. so talk about a you know what show, tonight. i mean, i was watching. donald trump had to come in and say just before -- andy, i'm going to go to you to get your response. jim acosta, crowd getting angry at cruz, yelling at him to endorse trump. one man screams, this is torture, ted. get over it. area my donald trump waves to
his supporters. and then peter king said cruz's refusal to endorse trump was disgraceful and disqualifying and that a-hole -- he used the entire word -- doesn't do him justice, himself. >> i'm angry at peter king for not going far enough. off the record, and this is just between me ask you, ted cruz strikes a lot of people as a total creep who is dishonest and might be a liar. and to do what he did tonight, not endorse donald trump when donald trump gave him the stage, i think it's hurtful to the party, it's hurtful to america, but ted cruz has always been in the business of ted cruz, so i can't say i'm surprised. he's a dirtbag. >> what do you think, caylee? a dirt back? >> a d-bag. yes. >> that's exactly right, andy hit the nail on the head. ted cruz is about ted cruz. in 1976 when ronald reagan lost slimly to gerald ford, in the
speech at the very end, he said thanks for having me, gerald. but at the very end, he said it's time for the party to unite. he said that one statement. ted cruz should have said something about unity and instead it was about ted cruise. it was a sad day for america. >> amanda, i have to say this. someone, a very astute person e-mails me and said donald trump talks about not being politically correct. ted cruz got up there and said what he meant so donald trump should not criticize him. he should embrace him. >> listen, ted cruz never promised an endorsement. he gave a speech that didn't say anything bad about donald trump. they're just mad that he didn't bend down and give them the endorsement. now they're revealing what they knew all along, calling him a dirtb dirtbag. everyone talked about how
concerned they are about donald trump as president. a lot of people don't do it in public like i do, but they do it. ted cruz spoke to them. he had the guts to see it on stage. the party is divided, yes, but people should find out where they.stand and he had the temperaturage to do it in front of everybody. >> that took cajon nas to do what he did. >> i think ted cruz came and he was courageous. >> as anna said, he came, he ate the food, drank the liquor and took a whiz on the carpet. >> he was courageous, but it might have been the wrong place for them. but you have to think back at this whole convention. a vote for donald trump is a vote that your country will be run like this convention, which is a sad, sad commentary. donald trump's message every single night has been stepped on by something else. first we had the chaos on the floor with the rules.
melania trump's plagiarism lasted 36 hours. and tonight instead of talking about a very good speech by eric trump, which i thought was very good, that's coming from me, it was very good, we're talking about ted cruz stealing the show. and i just think that this is unfortunately, but it's a consistent commentary about how inept the trump campaign is. >> mark presston, i want you have some new reporting for us. >> to the point of a good speech, i thought mike pence did very well tonight, right? we're not gok going to talk about mike pence who is the republican vice presidential nominee of the party. another day he should have had his day in the sun and a big cloud came over that. >> but he saw the speech like, what, two hours ahead? >> mr. trump has said that, but -- but he sweeted. he said he was the speech, here it is. there it is. he said, wow, ted cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the
pledge. i saw his speech two hours early, but let him speak, anyway. no big deal. it turned out to be a big deal. >> we talk about the booing in the arena and remembers across the country that are just upset at ted cruz in general. but this is somebody who is very upset. and this can be damage to go ked cruz if he runs in 2020. ted cruz went up to the suite and he was prevented from going in. for ow vurs, he is a huge, huge, huge donor to the republican party. in fact, he was the one who kept newt gingrich's candidacy alive book in 2012. ted cruz went up and tried to get in. he was told the addel so i kno s knowsons did not want to speak for him. the top aide reached out to gerald kushner and said if
donald trump is around, we would love to have him come up. >> let's see it. >> we have a picture of them together. so you will have that picture quickly. >> we'll get it. >> that money has been on the sidelines for a long time. i can see why any donor in the middle of this controversy doesn't want to get involved in a back between these men. but if we're going to pretend ted cruz lost out on this money, it was never coming, anyway. >> no, but he made it very clear to donald trump that he is supporting donald trump as the nominee. >> that also comes to light when we know donald trump only raised $26 million in the month of june. those numbers were released while this fiasco was going on. >> but doesn't this help? >> i wouldn't be surprised if shell now opens up his pocket to help donald trump. >> this is the trump campaign manager.
you mentioned natafor. here is a response from him. >> were you disappointed that he didn't say something more about the -- >> we didn't have for any. >> donald trump felt all the candidates that ran for president should have an opportunity to speak. walker, rubio couldn't make it, but he still said send a video. >> the cruz campaign says cruz told trump two days ago that he would not endorse. is that accurate? >> that's not quite accurate. >> can you clarify that? >> to such a coveted prime time spot. is that a mistake? >> mr. trump felt he finished second, he should have a spot. donald trump is trying to unify the party and he's done that. i think the party came together. >> it's a little tough. basically, he said donald trump wanted party unity. he saw the speech. he felt that ted cruz, you know, should have a chance to speak,
which i thought was very big of him. but with i think if you see it on paper, it doesn't read until you deliver it. because -- >> that's a bigger point. i think the speech read very well. when you just look at the transcript. but when you hear him deliver it, ted cruz gave a full throated endorsement of lebron james tonight. that was the only endorsement that he gave all night. and it was very evident that the ohm person outside of ted cruz that he came to speak about was lebron james. >> but it's always -- it's all in the delivery. always. >> it is. >> and when you look at it, as i said, on paper, you're like, this isn't bad. go ahead. >> no, you're right. and there was that moment where the new york delegation started to yell we want trump and cruz sidelined them a little bit. at least that's how i took the remark. we had ted cruz who wouldn't endorse donald trump. but what i saw tonight is
everyone who ted cruz was speak to go stand up together and shout, we want trump together. the delegates at the convention are united. you had michael reagan endorse him yesterday. his party is union fiesed. >>. you don't want it to be fair because you're a downtown. >> the text that ked ted cruz is going to deliver -- >> are you saying you could not read and unthe words? >> what we know is 2 million more republicans voted against donald trump than voted for donald trump. >> by that logic, 45% of the democratic party voted against hillary clinton -- and it's a two-person race. >> there is a guy here tonight, his name was mike pence. he's running for vice president of the united states. you don't know, he was on the stage. remember that guy? >> identities okay. >> and what about this air kiss, did anybody see that? >> everybody should do that.
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the action is still going on. ted cruz spoke tonight at the convention. he failed to endorse donald trump. back with me now, my political dream team. this is the "boston herald" tomorrow. let's look at this cover and you can see what's going to happen across the country. booz cruz. the new york post is angry, right? you're like, you're stealing our act, right? is it better to come and endorse or like the bushes, the bushes are like, we're not going to this. >> the it's better to not come
at all. not making the story about john kasich, that is the right answer. the story of the republican party needs to be unity if we want to beat hillary clinton. and to show up and rain on the parade, you look like a sore loser. >> but that's the fact. the republican party is not unified. whether you talk about john mccain or lindsey graham, a marco rubio or nicki haley, the republican party, as much as you want to say it's about unity, simply is fractured. if there was no better example of a fractured party, it's the person would came in second tonight who came up there and gave a speech which he felt he should give. >> the only way the convention seem unified tonight is the fact that they aren't showing up. that's the only way donald trump wins if he drives people away from the party. he said i'm not going abandon the party like that. he went there and spoke to
people who had true concerns about donald trump. it was risky. he's smart guy. he knew it would happen. he stood there and he took it and he stood his ground. good for him. >> it takes cajon nas to do that. you don't think so? >> no. ted cruz is an egomaniac who somehow in his crazy mind -- >> that's a lot from someone who supports donald trump. >> he is a super egomaniac. and i think in his mind he thinks he's going to be president of the united states one day.. senator john edwards has a better chance than ted cruz. that will never, ever happen. let me tell you one thing about donald trump. it shows his true character to give a snake like lying ted a platform. >> here we go. i wonder why ted cruz would do something like he did tonight. i cannot figure it out. >> he said you can speak and lying ted is lying ted.. >> but that's true. >> he proved the point so well,
so well. >> so why donid he let him spea till the end? >> i don't understand. it's loud and the drinks are free. >> donald trump, you saw ted cruz, he knew he was going to steal ted cruz's thunder by coming out and doing that. why not let him finish to the end? >> i don't feel that way. it was more of a transitional -- okay. let me see this. i don't know what you're talking about. by the way, ted cruz is still on stage at this point. >> hey, guys, let me explain what's happening. >> air kiss, mike pence. he had on to go backstage because he had to get on stage with mike pence for the air kiss. that's a logistical thing. the air kiss was in the script. >> no, no. this is way before then. this is him coming into the speech. >> it takes a while. quicken loans is gigantic to get to the stage. it literally takes 20 minutes.
>> he was going back to his seat here. >> no, he was leaving his seat. >> though, he was going to his seat. >> from where? >> from where he was going to the aeven na. >> them what's your point? >> in the middle of ted cruz he walks in. >> saying hello to ted cruz. >> for our viewers who were watching monday night when andy dean wouldn't say word one about plagiarism, he's pretty lit up tonight. >> if someone calls your wife ugly, and then accuses your father of being on the grassy knoll as part of the assassination of jfk, he didn't accuse him. he said it could have happened. >> something strange was going on there. >> would you endorse that person? i mean, i don't understand why -- i would do exactly what ted cruz said. >> lay in wake. >> take the opportunity and say -- >> but that's -- >> cruz. >> lying. >> oh, yeah, mr. trump, yeah,
yeah, yeah, boom! >> this is not about ted cruz, though. this is about a republican party that elected donald trump as the nominee. and to squander the will of your party and your voters in a way that you think is going to elevate you for 2020, it's a little narcissistic. >> i would take the high road. >> there's a lot of republicans who believe if donald trump wins this thing, the republican party is over, burn with it down. it doesn't stant stan for anything. >> you think so? >> yes. everyone worries about his temperament, his character, his morals, his consistency, his knowledge of the issues. so there's a lot of republicans that will say, yeah, i'm going to go along with it. we can change him. cruz is saying, i'm going to draw a line in the sand. we're going to see where people were on the question of donald trump and -- >> hold on. i'm going to put your picture up that mark talked about earlier. this is donald trump. there you go. >> worth a thousand words.
maybe worth millions of words. what's interesting about this the picture is not that they're together, what's interesting is that it was orchestrated by sheldon's staff to say, listen, we are behind donald trump and what ted cruz did was disrespectful. he was on the sidelines for all of this election. will he now get off the sidelines and open up his wallet? >> a very, very, very, very, very rich person. you saw the e-mail. went won't say who it is. he says i doubt he will give him more than a few million. he's not a huge fan. >> but donald trump -- >> who to ask? >> very rich person, i know you're watching. so shoot me an e-mail and then we'll get you to call in. i'm sure everybody knows who we're probably talking about. stick around. we're live at the cnn grill in cleveland where it was a total you know what show tonight and we're covering all of it. we're not done with plagar-gate tonight.
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a wild, wild night in cleveland. because senator ted cruz got booed for withholding his endorsement of donald trump in his big convention speech. the ohm person i can think to talk to is billy bald whip. he's an activist and a ted cruz expert and my political dream team is back with me, as well. welcome, sir. your brother, steven, was here
the other night. >> i'm the anti-steven. >> no, you guys are on opposite sides, polar opposites. >> my entire family is on one side and then there's steven. >> is he the black sheep of the family? >> actually, they call me the white sheep. my entire family is strewn with black sheep. but a couple of my friends refer to me as the white sheep. >> you've been here the entire time, right smp. >> i've been coming to the dnc since 1988 and the rnc since 1992. i've been to a lot of conventions. and i've never, ever, ever seen a spectacle like i've seen this evening and quite frankly all week. there's been -- yesterday in prime time a lot of the seats were empty. we had technical glitches that i've never seen before where the screens were going out. what i've seen tonight with the assistant to the trump family, that african-american woman, i heard her uttering things i've never heard uttered at a republican convention before.. >> like?
>> the lgbt matters, black lives, and ted cruz shoots his career in the foot and is booed off the stage. i have never seen -- and i was doing quite well, i thought, up until then had. and then he mitted, i think, political suicide. >> that's my question to the anl. everyone says, no, i don't think so, because that's kind of his thing. >> but let's create a narrow where there is a political thing for him. >> i could do it. i think he could lead a country one day and that's the country of canada. he was born in calgary. >> donald trump got on the political scene trusting obama's birth. >> obama was born in hawaii in the united states. >> you say that. >> i did it. >> can we go a try on? >> ohio.. >> that's part of the united states. >>. >> i will say oolt of people on the floor, whether they were trump or cruz or not are the delegates that run the
republican party on the county level. ski just can't -- if this guy was opting for 2020, and punting, as they say, for 2020 in had hopes to take down hillary for a second term, i don't think it is, but if that was a strategy, it's a fail strategy. >> and one thing we know about trump starters, they're loyal. these are the people ted cruise hopes to court and hopes to have and i don't think a scenario where they give him for this. >> precisely. >> and the scenario about the political correctness. donald trump says one of his things, i don't like being politically correct. we have to stop doing it. ted cruz was politically incorrect tonight. why wouldn't donald trump embrace that 12347. >> i just think jeb bush had the don'tsy to stay away from the convention. he didn't have to speak at the convention in prime time.
i think there is more than egg on ted cruz's face. a lot of egg on the trump campaign's face and on the rnc. how they didn't vet this in a way that guaranteed this wouldn't happen. the first night was melania and now all we're going to talk about for the next two or three cycles is ted cruz and that's not what they wanted coming out of this. this is a be dakel. and i were hillary clinton, i would not announce my running make on friday. i would let them screw this up day two ask three and stretch it out through the weekend. >> the democratic party for next week is we have this exhibition this week. i have to caution democrats around the country, what we saw from the first three days of this campaign outside of the distraction from melania and ted cruz is this theme that somehow america connects. that was the pervasive scene. he caution my democrats not to
spend too much time talking about donald trump. not to talk about increase ch s chrisrudy giuliani, but to talk about what this country can be. >> bakari and i were talking about this earlier. i'm not a political person. i was so depressed by watching the first night's speakers, the second night's speakers, the country is awful. we're not safe. we don't have any money. lisp, i am a gay black man on television. that doesn't happen in other countries. this country is not that terrible. i don't care which side of the -- >> it's called reality. >> reality is not that awful. >> when you wake up every day and you see five cops here, 8 des overseas in nice, you had 143 dead this paris, things are not good. >> where we were seven years ago compares to where we are today, we're in a much, much better place. there's a lot of problems. there's room for a lot of
improvement. but we're a lot -- >> 30,000 dying at the hands of terrorism since january 2015 and we're in a better place? >> no, caylee, caylee, maybe you're very young, but some of us remember the 60s and the 70s. some of us remember vietnam, people coming home in body bags, our relatives coming home and not being the same. there's always been strife, war, political strife -- >> some of us remember the days when you could go to work out at san bernardino ask come home alive. >> there's the fear mongering. that's one isolated incident. >> no, no -- >> how many of those were thwarted? >> in the last two weeks, we have had six incidences. there used to be a day when you could go out to a nightclub in orlando and celebrate your lifestyle when you wouldn't end up dead. >> this is the kind of thing that goes on between the palestinians and the israelis that had gone on for decades. and the politicals -- >> and now it's happening here. >> and the palestinians and the israelis have the best military and the intelligence in the
world right there and it's been happening all the time and for decades. i've been wondering since 9/11 why that doesn't happen here more frequently, but clearly, that's not something we want. but i'm wondering why that hasn't happened more frequently in the last ten years. >> and i have to point this out. because this caylee's very articulate sentiments, she forgot to mention sterling and -- >> we're in the middle of a show, sir, hold on. >> but you forgot to mention them in everything that's -- >> i have mentioned them publicly several times. >> my point is yes, they were mentioned today and when ted cruz mentioned sterling, they sat on their hands. he mentioned charleston, they sat on their hands. so yes, we have a problem in this cub, but we are a lot better off than we were seven years ago. >> let me say one thing. watch the contrast between what happens at the republican convention ask what happens with the more policy, more specifics, more solutions, more hope, it's
going to be a totally different -- >> you obviously slept during my speech. >> let me just finish. i am not hearing the republicans say at this convention how awful this place is as much as they're attacking hillary. it's a one-note attack. it's a recipe for disaster. when this cop vengz is over, hillary is sitting down with her campaign strategies and popping champ pain corks. >> i know there will be. tomorrow will be optimistic. >> but i didn't expect this -- >> but it's not america had sucks. it's barack obama sucks. >> and that's part of the problem, there's not union city in the country. you can choose hillary or trump and that's not -- >> we've got a statement from ted cruz and we'll do it after the break. stay with us.
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b boo. billy baldwin is here with my and my political dream team. we have a statement from ted cruz and we'll do it after the break. no, i'm kidding. he gave him comments to great broadcasting as he were getting on the elevator. he said i laid out a very simple standard. we need a president that will defend liberty ask be faithful to the constitution. on top of that, ted cruz is fund-raising off of his speech tonight and here is the e-mail as you can see it from the cruz campaign of him. there he is, sending out a fund raise ing letter off of this seech. so what do you guys make of that? >> i think he has to raise his own money. >> i don't know how you could potentially spin this in any positive way. it's going to be interesting to see what the future holds for ted cruz. i think we're going to find out real quick. >>. >> i think cruz has positioned
himself to run in 2020 no matter what. >> for what? >> president of the united states. >> dog catcher. >> i think if donald trump loses, ted cruz is i told you so. you could have had this. but donald trump loses by 200 electoral votes. but if donald trump wins, i think ted cruz still primaries donald trump in 2020. >> here is the thing. ted cruz right now is the only republican that has stood up to trump after he has become the presumptive nominee.. >> that is true. >> he is the only person. we've had people who have left. george will left the republican party necessarily because of donald trump. he was upset that paul ryan had endorsed him, even though he expressed all these concerns about donald trump. george wilkes couldn't stand the fact that so many republicans were blindly falling in line. so someone has to stand up and say these things. >> bigly, talk about this. i noticed the other night when i was in the hall, there were not a lot of pem.
so the cheers in the hall, it's different than what you see on television. you get there and it's not as many people as you think. >> to, like i said, i've been coming to many conventions and i was in the upper bowl. half of it was empty in prime time on night two. the technical glitches that we've had, to have ted cruz booed off the stage, to have donald trump showing up here every night, i don't remember the candidates showing up on day one, two, three and, of course, now four. i remember historically the presidential candidate only showing up on day four. so i think he realizes that this convention is tanking and he's trying to -- >> i'm not trying to -- >> i'm saying the ratings are up. >> but i'm wondering if he keeps showing up because he's concerned with the ratings. >> donald does things very differently. that's his style. that's why he won. but if you look at the ratings versus mitt romney, cnn is up
200% election over election. >> saying the same thing you are, yet you're arguing. go ahead. >> i've never seen a county county come four nights consecutively ask steal other people's thunder. >> it's his own thunder. he won this thing. he worked tore it. >> but rush limbaugh pointed this out. i think every step of the way, we've judged donald trump by a conventional metric. the political glass is aghast that he didn't raise $100 million, spend what rump did or marco rubio did. you're aghast at the cop vengz. >> just saying he's never seen it before. he's pointing it out that that's unusual. >> you are you were saying it's a bad convention, it's a bad party because -- >> i think the rnc, if they're honest, they're going to look in the mirror tomorrow and say this did not go the way they hoped. if you're ted -- >> i think this convention was genius. --
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happening here at the grill. the grill is packed tonight. we have a bunch of celebrities here trying to get on television. hs, ryan is here, our political commentator at cnn and writer for the new yorker. wrote a very interesting around about the play jarrism issue. >> you spoke with the rnc spokesperson. >> yeah. >> what did he see about with ted cruz? >> i was down on the floor with him after pence spoke. we were talking at the very end of the convention on the floor. and he suggested that they do exactly what cruz was going to say, but they had some hope that he would -- i think as his words were -- do better, that he would ve laat the last minute change s mind. >> because that would be very much like ted cruz. >> he said they knew it was
going to happen, but they hoped that would have not done it and he would have endorsed rump in the end. >> when you look at the text, as bakari and i were saying before, and i think amanda has, as well. when you look at the text, it doesn't read as negative. >> it didn't have booing in it. and it's in the delivery, right? so maybe they didn't the pick up on it. >> yeah, but in the end, there's no we should vote for trump because he's better than hillary clinton on these issues. it was a nonendorsement. from a political opener who this is the fifth republican convention i've been to since 2000, it was an act of bravery, i would say. i don't think ted cruz knows xkly how this is going to play out. i think in the short-term, it will be very bad for him. but i think people will start to rethink trump and his candidacy and cruz hasn't been the only person who said he's going to
run in 2020. >> sew this article, three problems with melania trump's speech. ryan, first of all, is meredith mcgyver a real person? >> there was this moment on twitter today of people questioning whether she exists. i've never met her -- >> i though her. i can vouch she's a real human. >> okay. so -- >> i think she's registered democrat, interestingly. >> yeah. >> so let the me explain the reference to the speech, which i still think is the mystery of the week that has not been solved. >> so you said three problems with it. >> yes. >> for me, i thought it was interesting that the statement the trump people put out, it put the onus for me directly on melania trump. >> i thought so. it gives the trump campaign some credit for transparency.
they explained exactly here after several days of not telling the truth about it. but the letter that she wrote said melania trump looked up michelle obama's speech, read passages to her speech writer. the speech goes back to melania trump. she's already 5d mired these lines, given them to her speech writer and somehow doesn't say anything when they're in the spinal text. so it puts melania at the center of this. she's not an academic. >> she's a grown wol.. >> but she's not -- i mean, i think someone like myself, it's extremely serious. to someone who is a journalist in academia, it's extremely serious. >> but for the first lady of the united states -- >> i think it's more of a failure of her staff and not her. >> that bothers me when they say poor melania because i think that's undershipment ago very smart, bright woman and someone who speaks as much languages as
she does. >> she's under a lot of pressure to give a good speech. maybe she forgot the lines were from michelle obama. >> i think people who are dragged into politics by their poise get a little bit with -- >> whoa whoeb, all she had to do was say no. would you like to deliver a speech inspect no. give give a reported message aes and they can play it on the monitor. she didn't have to get up there. >> if you're at that level, it's your staff who is in charge of that speech and your staff who is responsible for doing a freaking google search. i work at the university. anytime a soon hands in a +íypa, we have software. we push you a button. >> 23 if one of your students would have done this, would they have been expelled?
>> yes. >>. >> when he listed an entire paragraph from patrick, he should have been -- >> it's an acknowledgeable. >> you cannot attribute it. and had to apologize. >> caylee. >> he was given permission by duvall. >> no, he wasn't. . we can all try to rewrihistory here. we're not rewriting history. you're the only one. >> he did this. duval patrick came out and said i don't mind that he used my words. >> even if that's true, who cares? this is 2016. >> who cares about melania? who cares about barack, who cares about melania. >> because we're talking about what's happening now. >> and it's a cover up. all they had to do was say on
the first day that it happened melania trump admired michelle obama and took some of the information from her speech. >> and when they knew that she was the person that read that speech and gave it to her speech writer, they went to cnn and lie about it? doesn't that bother you? >> no, no, because i'm a human being with empathy and i try to put myself in this scenario. the scenario to me played out like this. melania is on a plane. she's very excited. she did well, glowing reviews. no, though -- for three days, the campaign lie it about it. >> we've gone through she did a great job. she's not a political person. >> i'm going through why i'm okay how they did this. >> the next day, it was never her intention to play jarrize.
-- >> get you that -- >> you're not answering the question. >> i'm answering the question. that was their fault. the next day -- >> coming on television and knowing that it wasn't the truth. >> donald trump's goal the next day -- >> it's poem like caylee, it's sad. >> i don't have a problem with that. the right response came out today and that is enough. >> before we go to break, can we please play this sound bite from donald trump on abc news responding to it. >> and i thought it was terrific the way she came forward and just said, look, it was a mistake that i made. she thought it was very unfair to melania. although, interestingly, the press treated melania very well because they didn't think it was her. >> how is she handling all this? >> it's a different world. you know, it's a different world. who would ever think to this extent? no matter where you move, no matter where you breathe, it's a big deal. but she handles it well. she's a strong woman, she's a good woman. i thought she made an incredible speech. >> okay.
so he said the res treated her very well and everyone keeps saying, i don't think it's her. but it was her. >> but she said i wrote most of the speech. >> we talk about the overar7ping theme of why the bar is so low for donald trump. we've had plagiarism. as a matter of fact, we had a great speech by a woman who lost her son in benghazi. donald trump called into the o'reiley factor -- >> we're getting a little far afield. >> i'm just saying. the bar is so low for them and that is why they get a pass for plagiarism. >> though, you don't get a pass. barack obama -- >> maybe this is a classic example of the -- >> it's an excusable to go to go out and lie about it, i like the my little pony defense. >> we'll talk about that. >> that is a good one. >> right. >> my little pony. we'll be right back. sthoo
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