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say his name, say his name! >> if you love our country, stand and speak and vote your conscience. >> it was awful. >> it was selfish. it was too cute. he signed a pledge. >> he lied to america, he lied to the republican party. >> if you get invited to a dinner party, you don't show up, eat the food, drink the wine and
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then piss on the carpet. >> well, hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman live from the republican national convention in cleveland. yes, it might be a donald trump convention but it is a ted cruz moment. and that moment just got louder and borderline loopy. it was just last night ted cruz notably did not endorse donald trump on the convention floor. but moments ago, in front of his own texas delegation, he double mega didn't endorse donald trump with feeling. he made clear this time it's personal. >> i will tell you when i stood on that debate stage and they asked every candidate there if you don't win, will you support the nominee, i raised my hand and i raised my hand enthusiastically. with full intention of doing exactly that. and i'll tell you the day that
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pledge was abrogated. the day it was abrogated was the day this became personal. as i said at the time. i'm not going to get into criticizing or attacking donald trump. but i'll just give you this response. i am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father. [ applause ] . and that pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack heidi that i'm not going to nonetheless come like a servile puppy dog and say thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father. >> tell us how you really feel. the hatchet clearly not buried. old wounds from the republican primary fight now laid bare in pretty spectacular fashion. in just a few minutes, we will hear from donald trump jr.
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right now, let's bring in cnn's jason carroll. he was at that event where ted cruz double-mega triple-downed on his nonendorsement, as john said. what was it like being in that room? >> a servile puppy dog. that is not something a lot people expected to hear this morning. it was really extraordinary to hear ted cruz speak to the texas delegation at this breakfast. once again, he said he was not going to turn tail and run. he said it would have been easy to do that. it would have been easy not to face the people. but he wanted to come down here, explain himself a little more about his speech last night and what he had to say and it was incredible. he opened it up for questions. allowed anyone who stood in the room, any part of the delegation, to ask whatever they wanted. everyone wanted to know the same thing. why not just simply say the words, i endorse donald trump? why not put the party ahead of any personal feelings? >> well, once again, he double,
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triple downed and said this is about something bigger, it's about principles, it's about voting your conscience. >> what does it say when you stand up and say vote your conscience and rabid supporters of our nominee begin screaming "what a horrible thing to say"? if we can't make the case to the american people that voting for our party's nomination system with voting your conscience is consistent with defending freedom and being faithful to the constitution, then we are not going to win and we don't deserve to win. >> no apologies there. one of the delegates stood up at one point, her name is geraldine. she really motivated the room. she said this is not about you. this is not about heidi cruz.
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this is about uniting the party. so why can't you do that after taking this pledge? why can't you do that for the the good of the party? i want you to listen to an exchange she had with another delegate who supports ted cruz and the position that he took. >> i'm a former mayor of the city of lamar, texas. i was called the "n" word many times. and guess what, i still support my city. i still support those council members. i still support my town that i live in. so you have to, hey, that's been said and done, you know, whatever was said about his wife, whatever was said about his father, you know, that's a personal thing but you have to get over some of that. i'm not trying to belittle it or say hey, it doesn't count. i'm just saying that we're here today to support and unite the republican party and what he did was to tear the republican party
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down and it's not going to work. >> my personal opinion is donald trump has a lot work to do. a lot of us upset not just what he did to ted what he did to many people. he needs to come in and promise us he's going to be the president we were hoping for. that he will stand by the constitution. that he will preserve our values. that he will do the right thing and shut up his ugly mouth and quit saying nasty things about people. that hurts our country. that hurts all of us. he's got to grow up and be presidential. >> well, very strong feelings as you can see. on both sides of this issue. he told the trump camp three days ago he was not going to endorse and he was allowed to speak anyway. donald trump for his part tweeting, as we know he likes to do that, saying just a short while ago, quote, other than a
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small group of people who have suffered massive and embarrassing losses, the party is very, all in caps, that word, very united, great love in the arena. having said that, if he goes forward with the speech tonight and doesn't extend some olive branch to some people still feeling unsure about him, i think there are a lot of people who would say that might be a mistake. kate, john. >> if there's one thing that shut up his ugly mouth spellis o me -- >> what? >> it's ubnity. >> our cnn commentators. bower is a donald trump supporter, the former lieutenant governor of carolina. mary katherine ham with the republ republic. and the birthday boy. >> had to get it in.
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>> we'll play a game in honor of mark preston's birthday, it's called what the "h" just happened. mary katherine ham, you saw ted cruz this morning, what happened? >> last night, rubio and kasich were like, i wasn't aware that was something a person could do. i think when it comes to him making the decision going on that stage, a couple things. one, self-interest. that's a part of this. politically. they're politicians. and this party is not united. there's a group in that room. a group of conservatives in the nation who feel their values are not being spoken to and this is an issue that really does have to do with character. and these values we believe in. history has its eyes on you. what are you going to do about this. that's one part. the self-interest part is he wants to be set up with those people and he wants to say you'll be back and i'm going to be here. >> ted cruz this morning saying it has nothing to do with him. he says it's all to do with the
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country and principles. the former communications director for the trump cruz campaign. what just happened? >> as he said, keep in mind, first off, from the very beginning, there was never any agreement between ted and the campaign that this would require an endorsement. they spoke a few days ago. never saw the endorsement. they had concerns, understandably, they had every single right to say absolutely not, i'm sorry, you cannot speak, this is our convention. they shouldn't have done that if there was this kind of frustration with it. they went about the speech. and congratulated donald trump. he said, you know -- >> it was a little more than a nonendorsement. it was vote your conscience. >> look back to '76 when reagan was speaking at the convention with gerald ford. he didn't endorse him. he said let's bring about unity in this party. ted called for that last night. i'm sure there's a lot of folks frustrated and that's not exactly what people wanted to see. the bottom line is it's
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incumbent upon, you know, the nominee to help bring about unity. and there's a possibility maybe they will work to that. at this point, as ted said this morning, it became personal. they all agreed to support the nominee. when donald attacked his father and his wife, then things changed. >> he's not going to be a servile puppy dog saying thank you. a little different than calling for unity there. you were a donald trump supporter. i imagine you look at this through different lenses in your view. >> i do. first, i look back. i lost an election for governor to nikki haley. after i lost, i decided to conduct myself with grace and dignity. and support the party. and lindsey graham talked about how hated ted cruz was. now the entire world knows. he took everything off the table. he didn't have to come to this. this wasn't about him. this was about party unity. it was about the republican party. he could have chose to stay
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home. he could have chose not to say anything. he could have at least chosen at the very end to congratulation donald trump. not at the beginning and go downhill from there. he had a multitude of different eaches he could have taken. he took the one that defined who he really is. >> it ted cruz now more hated or is he now the principled conservative, standing for principle? are you getting any clear idea of where this lands? >> basically what ted cruz did. the fact that donald trump did attack his wife, said she was ugly, that's true, he said that, that donald trump accused ted cruz's father of being part of the conspiracy that killed john f. kennedy -- >> these things happen in primaries. >> no, no, stop it. >> did you accuse nikki haley's father of trying to assassinate jfk? >> no, there were ugly things said -- >> southern republican primaries, is happens. >> andre, the bottom line is what ted cruz did last night is he went to the cocktail party. he was invited to a cocktail party. had a couple drinks, took the
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glasses and started smashing them on the floor. you just don't do that, right. if he has a problem with trump, he shouldn't have come here. >> absolutely. >> he sent donald a note in the form of a speech that said, i have a problem with you, would you still like to invite me to this cocktail party, and he said sure, come on down. >> there's a larger theme at play. each one of these days, donald trump and his campaign have stepped on his message. there's not been one positive message out of each one of these campaigns. out of each one of these convention days that's come out. we talked about melania trump. for 36 hours too long. now we're talking about ted cruz. we're not talking about making america safe again, measure not talking about putting america back to work again. if a vote for donald trump apparently is a vote for your country being run like this convention. i think the world is really having a problem with that. >> we're not talking about mike pence -- >> that's what i was going to say, stealing my thunder. >> mike who? >> exactly. want to ask you what the "h" just happened.
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none of you said mike pence had a very well-received speech. isn't that a huge problem, andre? >> it's a real loss. you're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars in free advertising the republican party has this week to get a clear consistent message. and a lot of that opportunity is squandered. >> is trump regretting he invited cruz to speak? he made no secret he wasn't going to endorse. >> i think it was gracious but i think it was the wrong call. >> in the realm of gracious, did ted cruz know he was hijacking this convention? >> he knows. >> he knows what he's doing? >> of course. >> it wasn't intentionally to hijack this convention not just last night but he just did it again. >> no, here's the thing. certainly he knew there was going to be some opposition to this and there were people going to be frustrated with this. to the degree it has become -- it might not have been part of the plan. but keep in mind, as he said this morning, as he said, he congratulated donald trump. he said let's vote your
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conscience and let's vote up and down the ticket. this morning, he said, look, it became personal. this is about his personal principles. at this stage of the game, it was not about politics, it was about -- >> the only person ted cruz gave an endorsement to was lebron james. i mean, that was absolutely it. the fact of the matter is, what we're seeing right now is the republican party is fractured. the republican party is just falling apart he seams. there's no way you leave on thursday and say the party's unified. >> to that point -- yeah, the crack up is here. it came before the convention. a different kind of year for many reasons. we've talked about that a lot. the idea it was going to be normal unification process i think was always made up. >> right. >> and ted cruz and many people who don't support trump look at this candidate and go this is a guy who crosses lines constantly. that have never been crossed before. yet he requires the most tender treatment in return without ever even -- he didn't even ask for the endorsement. it's standard practice. >> if the catchphrase of 2016 so
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far is binary choice, who wins in "vote your conscience" gate, trump or cruz? >> let me answer it this way. >> no, no, binary choice. >> donald trump is really excited about what's happening and the reason why is because after melania, his wife, planningerized that speech and they went radio silent for 48 hours, then he comes out tweeting yesterday, like, hey, isn't it great, everyone's talking about my wife. he loves this. donald trump's a showman. he loves this. >> binary choice, mary katherine, trump or cruz who looks better right now? >> i think coming out of the convention trump probably wins. many republicans even with just like muscle memory will just -- >> muscle memory. i love that ad. interesting. i don't have an answer to it, but that's why i get to say thank you everyone, we'll talk a little bit later. coming up for us, we're going to get to some breaking news involving the olympics. let's go down to brazil. saying it has arrested nearly a dozen people plotting terror attacks during the games. let's get to shasta darlington.
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she's in rio right now. >> this is the first time, in fact, that brazil announces an anti-terror plot and arrests related. they issued 12 arrest warrants. they were able to arrest 10 people. so there are still two outstanding. this happened across ten different states here in brazil. what the justice minister said in a press conference that is actually still ongoing is that they had been monitoring these individuals. all brazilian nationals for a while. because of some inflammatory comments they were making on different internet and telephone applications like what's up. they had pledged allegiance to isis. they were celebrating in different comments after the attacks in orlando and nice. but it wasn't until this chatter sort of moved towards a planning stage, what they believe could have been the planning stages for a terror attack that they moved in. they said one of the individuals
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was trying to purchase an ak-47 from an arms dealer in neighboring paraguay. they said this wasn't actually an organized cell from what they can tell so far. and they don't know the exact targets they were looking at. given the proximity of the olympics and the arrival of tourists, they had to act fast. >> shasta darlington in rio for us, thank you so much. we'll stay close to that. things moving very quickly in that. the air kiss heard around the world. mike pence taking the stage last night. mike pence's sister-in-law denise pence here to speak with us about the whirlwind week that family has had and the kiss. >> plus, just minutes from now, donald trump jr., we will speak to him.
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do you hear that? listen very, very closely. that is the distinct sound of the loudest nonendorsement in convention history, still ringing through cleveland this morning. just moments ago, ted cruz basically said in case you missed it the first time, here it is again. >> if we can't make the case to the american people that voting for our party's nominee is
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consistent with voting your conscience, is consistent with defending freedom and being faithful to the constitution, then we are not going to win and we don't deserve to win. >> that was ted cruz, again this morning. joining us now, sean spicer, chief strategist for the republican national committee. sean, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you speak for the party. >> i do. >> what would you like to say to senator cruz this morning? >> look, i think it was gracious for trump to invite all the 17 candidates, or excuse me, 16 candidates he competed against to be part of this amazing convention in cleveland. senator cruz accepted that invitation. and it was, you know, frankly was a little disappointed that he didn't get on the stage. he knows what's at stake more than anybody in terms of the choice between hillary clinton and trump. cruz is a constitutional scholar. he understands the importance of the supreme court. so, you know, i think it was gracious of trump to invite everybody here to participate.
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i think to some degree when you come here there's an expectation you understand the greater good, right, and you say i'm coming here, he won, he got more votes than anybody else. i respect the decision, the will of the people, and i want to throw my support behind him. i don't think you come to somebody else's event and not do that. >> but ted cruz says he told donald trump three days ago he was not going to be getting an endorsement -- >> it's not a question of endorsement. it's not just that word. you can say hey, we all know what's at stake. there's millions ways to phrase it. it's not just i hereby endorse. you can make clear to the people that there is a choice. and one choice is not acceptable. and, you know, so it was a little dispoointing he didn't do that. >> peter king called him a "blank" hole. >> took me a second to register. i appreciate that, on tv -- >> is that different than a little disappointing or are you
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basically in the same place? >> i would probably use the same verbiage. >> really? >> i think it's disappointing when somebody who's a leader in the conservative movement who knows what's at stake. ted cruz more than anybody in terms of his background knows what's at stake and chose to come here. he could have just said i'm not coming, i don't feel comforta e comfortable. >> so peter king doesn't need to apologize? >> peter king's from new york, he uses very colorful language. >> does chris christie need to apologize? he said ted cruz is being selfish and he reneged on the pledge. the pledge you know very well, you guys called for the pledge. >> the pledge -- this is a source of misinformation. the pledge has gone back several cycles. when you agree to take the rnc's data. it says in the data agreement. by taking all of the data on republican voters, i agree to support the nominee, whomever the voters choose. >> both, that he's selfish and he reneged on the pledge?
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>> yes, i do. >> what are you going to do about ted cruz? >> that's fine, but at some point ted cruz has made it clear he's siding with hillary clinton. that's the choice. it's a binary decision. either support the nominee, the will of the voters, or support hillary clinton. >> you know he doesn't support hillary clinton. >> either you're supporting the republican nominee or you're supporting hillary clinton. if you're not with trump and pence. here's the other thing, donald trump knows what a conservative stalwart mike pence is when it comes to fiscal, social issues, there's no one stronger than pebs. that speech he gave last night was amazing. you may have a problem with donald trump as he clearly does but to not understand his vice presidential pick is unbelievably the strongest conservative pick we've seen in a long time, then i think that says a lot. >> did you just say that ted cruz is aiding and abetting hillary clinton? >> well, no, what i said is there's a binary choice, there's
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two people on that ballot. hillary clinton and donald trump. for him not to recognize that is a major problem. >> what does this mean in four years when he's probably absolutely going to run for president again? >> i'll tell you this, anecdo anecdotically last night walking through the convention, i bumped into self-people who supported ted cruz very passionately through the process and they said what he did was disgraceful. people who supported him believed at least he could come and rise to the occasion. >> have you talked to him? >> no. >> you don't want to talk to ted cruz? >> no. i don't know that ted cruz wants to talk to me. there's no reason to. he had his opportunity. look, what i'm focused on is tonight. donald trump is going to speak tonight. i think he's going to present his case. he's going to lay it all out. obviously my boss reince priebus
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is going to speak. i've seen the speech, it's a great speech. it lays out where the republican party is and the binary choice between clinton and trump. >> can we talk one last time about monday night, melania trump's speech. you defended her against accusations and the trump campaign and that sections of it were plagiarized and at the time you basically said no. let's just play the sound of you invoking my little pony. >> it's just too good. >> we had a 2,000 word statement. we're talking about 70 words, three passages. this idea of plagiarism, let's talk to it. melania trump said you work hard for what you get in life. kid rock said, work hard to be anything you want in life. melania trump said the strength of your deeps and willingness to vote for them. twilight sparkle from my little pony said anything you can do in your dreams you can do now. if we want to take a bunch of phrases and run them through google and say who else has said
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them, i can come up with a list in five minutes. >> so now the trump campaign has come out and said it wasn't twilight sparkle from my little pony. >> nor was it rainbow dash. all of the ponies are clear. >> but they took the words, the speechwriter said these words cam from michelle obama's speech. do they owe you an apology? you were out there basically taking them on their word it wasn't plagiarized. >> at the time the information we had and the same information that paul manafort had from the campaign. he went and he checked. he asked everyone involved. he asked mrs. trump how did this come to happen. everybody agreed it was mrs. trump's words. and let's be honest, the speech was amazing. she delivered it phenomenally. i think the world is really impress the with the next first lady. subsequently, it was made clear there was somebody else that no one was aware of that had worked with them. they made it clear. at the time, the information everybody had this was mrs. trump and the speechwriters
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here. >> did they apologize? >> no. >> can we compliment cleveland for how great the weather's been? >> look, anybody that's been here or seen anything, you cannot say enough about how well cleveland has done in this convention. they wanted this more than anything. probably more than the cavs win -- >> wait a second. >> but the people here have just risen to the occasion. the law enforcement has been phenomenal. i think mayor frank jackson and the folks on the host committee, dave gilbert, have put on a world class effort and it's going to pay dividends because people are going to want to come back to cleveland because of the presentation put on here. we have a very special guest with us here. erin burnett on the convention floor with donald trump jr. >> i am here with donald trump jr. obviously you just heard sean spicer talking about ted cruz and the controversy there. this morning cruz said -- saw
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him come out of the breakfast, he's not going to vote for hillary clinton but he refused to endorse your faeshther, doubg down on what he said last night. >> i think he galvanized everyone behind my father. i was on the floor when we put my father over the top on tuesday. it was an incredible moment for me, just being able to do that. i'm not going to go as far and say it was like the cavs but it was pretty close and it was such an intense moment so when i hear the media the same two guys holding their credentials and dramatically throwing them on the floor as soon as they find a camera that's filming them and 50 yards later i see the same guy doing the same thing, looking for the moment of pr. i didn't see the divisiveness they were talking about. i saw incredible unity. if there were a couple of stragglers, after last night, they're in our court. they understand our primary mission is to put someone in the office that's my father and that's not hillary clinton. >> ted cruz was asked why he hasn't honored the pledge. the pledge, you remember, all the candidates took it.
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they were standing up. there's a pledge of the rnc but there's a pledge they took during the debate. will you support the eventual nominee. they all said yes. and today he had a hard question from someone angry at him in the texas delegation about why he has chosen to abandon that pledge and here's how he answered the question, don. >> i will tell you when i stood up on that stage and they asked every candidate there if you don't win will you support the nominee, i raised my hand enthusiastically. with full intention of doing exactly that. and i'll tell you the day that pledge was abrogated. the day that was abrogated was the day this became personal and, as i said at the time, and i'm not -- i'm not going to get in to criticizing or attacking donald trump but i'll just give you this response. i am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father.
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[ applause ] and that pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack heidi that i'm going to, nonetheless, come like a servile puppy dog and say thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father. >> does he have a point? >> i think ted cruz has a nickname that's grown pretty popular and i think it's there for a reason because ted cruz does what's good for ted cruz. ted cruz isn't thinking about those things. ted cruz is thinking about if hillary clinton gets this, i can run again in four years as opposed to waiting for eight when my father would finish up his second term. i think it's pure showmanship. i have so many friends from texas. i spend a lot of time down there. whether it be my buddies who were here, military vets, amputee, guys who served our country who supported ted as a senator who have donated, you know, small figure checks to the guys who are the big figure
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donors writing him real big figure checks and all of them without question said i'm never writing him a question again. it was total disloyalty. doesn't surprise me based on what we've seen and the way he's conducted himself. it was equally so from him and from others. it's a tough process. it's a shame it does have to be tough but that's the way it is. my father came out on top. ted gave his word and broke it. >> i guess the question is it seems to be deeply personal for him. there was a time when your father sort of mentioned -- >> i think ted will conveniently make anything look optically to try to sell a point. if there's one thing i've learned is there's not a lot of people truly genuine. it is all still politics. he is a true politician. he tries to play the anti-establishment guy. guess what, during his initial stage, he wanted to work for the bush campaign. the problem is, he's so unlikable. literally, no fans, no friends. and he only became
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anti-establishment when he couldn't be a part of the establishment because no one wanted to be with him. >> do you need the endorsement at this point? >> i don't care. we got it de facto from the people with that matter. the people my father's been speaking to directly. the hard working people in this country would have been left in the dust. the only group that doesn't fit some sort of box that gets special privileges and people who built this country, those are the people my father's talking to. he doesn't lecture to those people like ted cruz does. he's actually talking with them. he has a conversation. they're keying in on that. that's why he's won in a landslide. >> when your father and ted cruz spoke about this upcoming speech and in that speech your father was aware there wasn't going to be an endorsement. >> correct. >> did they ever have a heart to heart where your father said, look, the whole thing where i implied your father might have been involved in the assassination of jfk or when i made the suggestion that your wife was ugly, did he apologize? >> i don't know that they na
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necessarily spoke. >> they may not have talked directly? >> certainly high-level talks and i was in some of them but i don't know that it matters, you know, it was tough and we were the better man. we knew it wasn't coming. we could have said don't speak. he was a guy who came in, you know, second, not that close, but came in second and he wanted to make sure we gave him the option to speak. we were the better man. we knew it was coming. we could have put an end to it. we said no, do what you need to do. i think if there was a little smidgen of disunity left on the floor going into yesterday, that's totally gone and everyone's behind my father. >> do you think -- one thing i'm curious about, the speech originally was supposed to be a ten-minute speech. i know you were aware beforehand of what was going to be in the speech and what wasn't going to be in. i mean a couple hours beforehand. but then the planners last minute gave ted cruz 20 minutes. did you know it was in the hold 20 minutes? they just doubled the guy's time when he was going to come out -- >> we saw the whole thing so i
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don't think anything changed. we wanted to give the guy who was the number two finisher in this thing his chance. we could have stuck him on monday. we wanted to give him -- it was a big time slot right before the vice presidential candidate's speech. that's a big place to put him. he wanted to do that out of respect despite how brutal it's been. i think that says a lot about the way my father will conduct himself and has always conducted himself. >> you have widely been credited for allowing ted cruz to speak, marco rubio, all of them, his rivals. when the speech was happening, you and your siblings had to move to make space for your father. and the crowd was very quick to get riled up at just the right moment when ted cruz said vote your conscience. and then your dad walked in at just the right moment for all the cameras. was this another orchestration by your dad where he knew the moment and he knew -- >> i don't think so. honestly, i think you've seen
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how the speeches go. you get your time slot. 30 seconds in some cases later. the next guy's speaking. my brother was speaking next. he certainly wasn't going to walk in and interrupt my brother. he wanted to be there for my brother and his incredible speech last night. i think people are probably overanalyzing that moment. i think the crowd spoke for itself. i think ted cruz got a warm welcome when he walked in because i think people assumed he would do the right thing. he would be the better man. but he chose not to and the crowd turned on him pretty quickly. >> one question for you because as you say you were involved in those conversations. was there ever a conversation, as there's so much speculation about today, you said, all right, no endorsement, we're going to get an endorsement in exchange for not having a floor fight. no floor fight with ted cruz. >> we weren't worried about floor fight. this was over weeks ago. this notion the same three people talking about throwing the credential, they're the people talking about a floor fight so they can get a nice five-minute spot on one of the
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stations. we weren't worried about that. >> so it was over? >> you have to listen to the people. this election cycle told us maybe it would behoove politicians to listen to voters. rather than saying we're going to listen to you like we've talked about. pennsylvania, you can win the entire state. every congressional district. 17 of the 72 delegates. the rest, they -- what's the point of going through the process? what's the point of making people watch every debate, watch all these thing, be so committed for a year, only to say, hey, your vote doesn't matter? we have to listen to our people. the people resoundingly, resoundingly put my father in this position. and he's going to do a great job. >> what's he going to say tonight? when you talk about the issue of ted cruz, it gets to the heart of one of the issues of this convention. the poll we have shows 44% of republicans right now wish he weren't the nominee. there's a lot of division still in your party. there's no question about that. that's what we've seen here. some of in cleveland. what's he going to say tonight to unite your party?
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>> listen, he's going to be himself. he's going to talk about those things. he's going to talk about the final end goal which is obviously the biggest which is making sure there's a conservative in the white house. making sure we understand control of the supreme court is a fundmental thing. it's a 30 or 40 year issue. these are the things that matter. now, that said, my father, whether it's now, whether it's through the primary process, i think the outreach from the independent side, people who are democrats who are sick of, you know, the usual machine, the bernie voters who thought they had a chance to say something. like, guess what, we're going to give you the same old same old. that hasn't done. we're giving you a candidate that's basically used position, of power in government to build a multihundred million dollar fortune peddling nothing but influence. this is going to be a moment for them to revolt against that. i think we'll have a chance. imagine what we can do by cleaning up the waste, the abuse, the fraud, it is crony
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capitalism in d.c., tightening that ship up. having maybe surplus for a change. went to that be novel? maybe we can take care of our votes. take care of our elderly and our health care issues. you know, those are things that matter. and it's not working with the democratic level. it's not going to happen with another four years of obama and that's what you're going to get. >> you've been very busy the past couple of days. but now this afternoon going to be spending time with your dad going through the speech. so what else is in there? how long is it going to be? >> i think it's probably a little bit longer than, you know, usual. maybe not stump speech long. when he gets a crowd and he's going back and forth. he's having a conversation with a crowd of 15,000. you've seen it. it's pretty amazing when he gets that. you know, i think there's going to be -- there's going to be discipline to it. there's going to be a lot talk of those things and what the path is for this country and how envisions getting that done. mike did a great job last night, governor pence delivered an incredible speech last night for
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vp. he also has a track record of the success at indiana. i think my father will talk about that and saying wouldn't it be a novel concept to take the success of indiana, 8% unemployment rate down to 5%, lowering taxes. implementing that model for the rest of the country. having every state be like our top two, three states, that would be incredible and we need to do that. >> you call him mike. the famous air kiss last night that everyone's talking about with your dad and mike pence, obviously there's perhaps some difference in style, let's be honest. >> there are -- >> but what is really the relationship like? truly personal? >> it's been great. very much so. especially for two guys who don't know each other as long. we have a long-term relationship with chris christie, another one of the picks. we have a longer-term relationship with newt. this was something my father felt really complemented him. >> sort of fell in love quickly? >> yeah, it was amazing. i walked in on some of these
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meetings. i'm just going to sit back and watch. the dynamic was great. they're very different. friends even joked about it, you know, last night which -- and he went the exact opposite -- so i thing there's a great juxtaposition there. he has the experience, you know, as a chief executive of a state but he also has years in congress that were really impressive and he was a fiery guy on the floor there. so i think he brings a real wealth of experience. it's not just d.c. as usual because he also has that state experience as a governor. >> it's been very interesting the past year for you in a lot of ways and also exhausting. you were up until 4:00 a.m. because of the adrenaline. powerful, rousing, authentic, some of the words used to describe your speech. before we did this interview, you were talking about people who are on the other side of the political spectrum didn't even find reason to criticize what you had to say. did you just get a sip of the elixir? >> some of those people say i thought i was being punked.
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listen, i spent a lot of time on it. it was a lot of fun. you know, understanding the gravity of the situation. you know, i got up there and i really felt it from the crowd. they were into it early. and i think that helps. you know, just -- so there was a great back and forth. it was really -- it was a cool moment. the adrenaline was crazy. i figured i'd be exhausted. after everything i'd done that day. doing the media, giving the speech. i got home in bed, like wired. >> couldn't go to sleep. >> ready to go. >> so in all of this, you're spending a lot of time with your siblings. it's not as if all of a sudden grown children in their 30s are supposed to spend time together. you already did. when you and i were in iowa, we talked about how ivanka's like your dad this way, all the different qualities. >> me. >> exactly, you said you. has your relationship changed with your siblings? >> interesting, you know, we've
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always had a good relationship. we've been close, you know, for as long as i can remember. we worked together obviously. at the same type, we still choose to vacation together. >> vacation together? >> we spend free time together. it's not just work and we're sort of forced to work together. we actually choose to do that. it weren't really changed. a lot of ways changed has been the topic of conversation, politics. i've been in politics for three weeks now. i think we've learned the game very quickly. i think we understand our father. we understand the gravity of the situation at stake here. i think we understand, you know, how to present certain things to him when we're talking about it. we're also people that can close the door and have a real conversation. >> you know how to present things to him so he'll listen? >> we all have different qualities as it relates to that. you'll see it in the way i spoke. you'll see it in the way eric spoke yesterday. all of us will have done a really good job. i think evan ka's going to crush it tonight. i think i probably did okay.
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i don't want to say great because then people will say he's got a huge ego. >> in the first part of that sentence, you almost sounded like your dad. i don't want to say i did great but -- >> humble brag, humble brag. i know ivanka's going to do incredible tonight. she'll do an amazing joce ining. no one's going to do better than her. it's been great to experience as a family. there's an emotional quality to this that you don't necessarily get in business. you saw me in iowa. it's not just, hey, i'll show up, i'll be president in iowa. we're actually interacting with real americans, with real people. when they're coming up and saying thank you for allowing your father -- as though we had any choice. you know, we can control him to a point. >> fair, fair. >> it's incredible, i mean, we're really talking about dealing with people's livelihoods. their families.
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the future of, you know, their kids and grandkids and generations to come. that's what's at stake here. that's what we have the opportunity to help influence. even if we're only a small cog in the wheel. that's pretty special. to be able to do that is a great honor. and so, you know, there's an emotional quality to this that you don't get in business. where it's like, okay, we understand the objective. we're going to get it done. this is a lot more from the heart. you know, we take our business pretty seriously, you know, from the heart as well and we put a lot into it . this is really a whole new level. >> i appreciate your time, thank you so much. obviously going to be a big night for your father. kate and john, he's going to be heading to spend some time with his father and finish the final touches on the speech as you heard him say will be a little longer than usual, back to you guys. >> we'll be listening in. erin burnett, thank you. fascinating interview with donald trump jr. we've got our panel with us. as we always have our panel with us. what else do we do.
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john avlon, margaret hoover. donald trump jr. reacting to ted cruz and ted cruz's wildly nonendorsement, nonendorsement last night and again this morning. he says we don't need his endorsement, we don't want his endorsement. >> there's a lot of bad blood. i mean, that's not real subtle right now. cruz made a calculated decision to not unify the party. i think he reflects the genuine feelings of a lot of delegates who aren't sold on donald trump and he's clearly already running for president in 2020 and he'll do it as the guy would warned you donald trump will be a disaster. and there's no reason the trump family wouldn't return that in kind. >> the idea that it doesn't leave a mark, margaret, is that true? >> it doesn't leave a mark? >> trump, the idea that cruz came to the convention floor last night -- >> ted cruz absolutely positively has thrown a wrench in this convention. for the guy supposedly perfect at stage craft. donald trump is good at everything, right, good at business, good at making deals,
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good at stage craft and theater. and he's failed at all of those things. especially this convention. politics is personal. you heard that from donald trump jr. especially we you're getting involved in this. i don't envy any kids of candidates. it's a very heavy cross to carry. it's deeply personal. that's what you see there. they need to stop thinking about a general election here. the party's not unified. if they're going to win, they have to win independents, they have to win women, they have to win hispanics. they need to stop focusing on this and talk broadly. they're not speaking to me tonight, they are speaking to christine quinn and hillary voters. >> looking ahead to a general election, josh, donald trump was tweeting about it this morning. saying that despite some small group of people would suffered embarrassing losses, the party is unified. donald trump, he's sticking on this. you think he'll say anything about it tonight? >> you any, i don't -- out of the donald trump prediction
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business for sure. i have no idea on a day to day basis. i think ways different about this situation, there's a lot of constituencies within the republican party that aren't unified here and probably won't be unified the difference between that and what ted cruz did, he took a prime time spot on the night of the vice presidential speech, stole it. absolutely stole it. that, i think is a big mistake. >> the fact is, he didn't take. he was given the spot. according to donald trump's tweet, donald trump read the speech. so ted cruz was given something. he did the professional thing, said, here's my speech, and then he delivered it. the crazy thing is why in god's name would a presidential nominee let that speech go on the teleprompter? it defies common sense.
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>> i was a huge ted cruz supporter, on board with him when he was polling at 2%. i'm really disappointed in him. honestly, i think it was a win-win for donald trump. had ted endorsed him, it would have been a win for donald trump. last night i was in that arena. when ted came in, that arena was on their feet, he had a standing ovation. he could have been a hero last night. people were saying say it, say it, trying to pull it out of him and he didn't do it. i think he unified people more than he could have by endorsing. those people that were sitting on the fence that didn't know what they were going to do are now supporting donald trump. >> i want to get to one other subject that's important because it's about policy. donald trump in "the new york times" yesterday suggested he might not defend nato allies if they were invaded. this isn't just against republican orthodoxy for the last several generations, but against u.s. treaty obligations for the last several
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generations. what do you say about this? >> this is one of the things we haven't paid enough attention to. honestly donald trump's point of view on foreign policy is deeply troubling to most republicans. >> and dangerous. >> almost every time he speaks about it, he has a miss staep about it. i think this is going to be a continuing problem when we get past the convention. it's less about personalities and more about policies. >> the thing is, you had mike pence on stage saying donald trump will stand with our allies, this morning saying donald trump will stand with our allies -- playing a lot of cleanup for donald trump. >> unless putin is threatening the baltics. >> this is a big deal and it comes on the heels on things on the platform committee that undermined previous republican commitments, for instance, supporting the independence of the ukraine. this is not just top line. it's getting written into policy. it's a total departure and it sends a deeply troubling message to our allies.
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>> we're seeing putin allies put out statements about how hopeful they are about donald trump. what does that mean? nato is the foundation that has kept the world as safe as it could be since world war ii. to not understand this reflects such an ignorance that this man shouldment even be on the stage. >> donald trump looks at things as a businessman. that's where he comes from. i think he's doing this to get other members of nato to pull their weight. i'm not saying he's not going to -- >> hang on, hang on. >> i didn't say he doesn't mean it. i think he wants them to pull their weight. we're the united states of america. >> guys, thanks so much. got to run to a break. a lot more ahead. coming up next, the air kiss. the sister-in-law of donald trump's running mate mike pence joining us live to discuss what happened last night and what the past few weeks have been like. we'll be right back.
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he's a man known for a large personality, a colorful style and lots of charisma. i guess he was just looking for some balance on the ticket. >> newly minted vice presidential nominee mike pence making his national debut last night at the republican national convention. not a lot of people talking about this speech today. why? well, because of the whole -- let's call it the ted cruz
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thing. >> the ted cruz explosion that happened. we've all had this moment, but maybe not on national television. it just didn't land right. the lesson here, and i still need to learn it, if you're going to go for the air kiss, you got to discuss the landing. denise, let's talk about the kiss heard around the world. you were there in the arena last night. we were joking, we've all had that moment. hawes the family talked about this hilarious air kiss? >> no. >> you were in the arena last night. you were a strong donald trump supporter even before your brother was on the ticket. what was it like to be in that arena this week when you nominated donald trump, you nominated your brother-in-law, and then to see him take the
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stage last night? >> it was very emotional. i don't want to get emotional now, but it's surreal to think -- i was on the trump train, if you will, a year ago june, and not michael would join the trump ticket. >> what was the moment that got you the most? >> when we voted. when i, as an indiana delegate voted for our vice presidential nominee. >> i was in the room with some voters when mike pence talked about the light of his life, his mother, his 82-year-old mother, your mother-in-law. there was a woman sitting right in the front row and she got teary eyed. >> it's wonderful. i think there's such a similarity with mr. trump and michael and the family being so important. >> talk about what the last week has been like. i heard a grave story about governor pens when he got into the motorcade with the secret
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service saying, is this all for us? how has he described this last week? >> i think what you see is what you get with michael. i've been married to the eldest brother for 35 years. >> who is mistaken for him all the time. >> and his wonderful wife karen. what you see is what you get, he has no airs. such a likable person, very capable, very likable person. >> you're a delegate and part of the family. what do you make of the ted cruz thing which in some ways overshadowed the moment for your brother-in-law last night? >> well, it hasn't for me, so i don't know about that. i think the trump ticket, the trump-pence ticket will make america great again. i truly believe that.
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i think that they'll win. >> what doesn't -- he made his big introduction to the american public, biggest peach of his political career, well received inside the room, outside the room. >> he knocked it out of the park. >> three months to introduce himself all across the country. what don't people know about th governor. >> i don't think they knew until last night that he was such a great speaker. i was blown away and i've been listening to him speak for years. i think he knocked it out of the park. they might not know that he does caricatures. >> jake tapper told me. >> he's done christmas cards and things in the past. sort of a fun thing. >> i would like to see mike pence's caricature of donald trump. got to be careful. that's my only advice. denise pence, thanks for being with us.
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>> thank you very much for being here. congratulations. >> thank you very much. we're so proud and blessed. thank you all so much for joining us "at this hour." >> a special "inside politics" from john king from inside the rnc starts right now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king live from the cnn grill. it's 2e69ing time for donald trump and explaining time for ted cruz. that we're even talking about ted cruz on what is supposed to be the day of donald trump's big solo. in some ways that tells you everything you need to know about the republican party. mr. trump will have an audience of millions. it'sn

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