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convention? will she have any, any appearance? also, explosive accusations as donald trump taunts democrats over the e-mail firestorm. the clinton campaign now blaming the russians for the leak in a sinister effort to try to help donald trump. and dead heat. why the race between trump and clinton may be closer than ever. i'm wolf blitzer. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world for cnn's live special coverage from philadelphia. you're in "the situation room." a major earthquake is hitting the top leadership of the democratic party right now. just a matter of hours before the national convention opens here. the chair of the democratic national committee debbie wasserman schultz is out. she's stepping down from that
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position as soon as the convention is finished. pressure on her to resign began building earlier today, snowballed by the hour until a statement from her office confirming her plans to quit. and here's why. the stack of e-mails collected and made public by the anti-secrecy website wikileaks. some of those e-mails suggest that democratic party leaders, including debbie wasserman schultz, had already made up their minds about who they wanted to be the party's nominee and were actively working to scuttle bernie sanders' campaign. here's an example. in one e-mail exchange not independently verified by cnn, a dnc communications staffer suggested they take issue with the cnn report about a hypothetical sanders' presidency. wasserman schultz blew it off responding, quote, this is a silly story. he's not going to be the president. jeff zeleny, our cnn washington correspondent is joining us. jeff, there are many other e-mails very problematic because
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the dnc is not supposed to pick sides, is supposed to be neutral before the convention which these e-mails suggest they didn't abide by those rules. the e-mail leak certainly it's already cost debbie wasserman schultz her job. what are you hearing? how did this all unfold? >> wolf, throughout the day it has been a furious day of backroom meetings and coverings. democratic party leaders and the clinton campaign, even the white house, trying to contain the, you know, the uproar really beyond this and trying to get this taken care of before the convention begins tomorrow. and they came to the conclusion the only way that they could sort of move beyond this or try to move beyond that was to have the chairwoman step down. she's already been on thin ice in recent months, certainly under a lot of fire from the sanders campaign, making these accusation, but these e-mails brought this all to light, essentially illustrating how she and her aides were with the
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clinton campaign. take a look at this. it says this. going forward the best way for me to accomplish those goals is to step down as party chair at the end of this convention. as party chair this week, i will open and close the convention and i will address our delegates about the stakes involved in this election. but wolf, that is where it also gets complicated. i'm told that she's insists on making at least some statement here at the convention, in this convention hall to the delegates. that could come early this week likely in the form of only a few minutes, three to five minutes. both sides, the clinton campaign and the sanders supporters have agreed to that. but that will be a moment to watch should it happen because she's very likely to be treated pretty -- not very friendly to this audience here. many sanders supporters do not like how she's handled this. but she's insisting on speaking. so we believe if that goes through, it will happen tomorrow. but beyond that, at the end of
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this convention on friday, she'll step down as chairwoman of the democratic national committee. wolf? >> a real bombshell on this day before the convention opens. jeff zeleny, thank you very much. i want to bring in our panel right now. joining us our chief political correspondent dana bash, cnn political director david chalian, sunlen serfaty and gloria borger our chief political analyst. dana, what are you hearing about how this all unfolded? because it seems to have gone so quickly and presumably the top heerdship of the democratic party from the president on down, they were all involved. >> well, jeff zeleny just reported some of the details, and he's been doing excellent reportering on this, it did happen quickly. and it basically was done in an obvious way to try to move this story aside to get to the big picture, what they want to do here, what they want to talk about, which is unifying the party. debbie wasserman schultz, as jeff said, was in meetings with
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clinton campaign folks and with others kind of in and around the now leadership of the presumptive nominee, she will be the nominee, basically saying, look, you got to go. obviously, needless to say, stam with team sanders. they've been saying that for some time. she had been very, very resistant. very resistant and reluctant to do it. obviously, this is not the first time it came up that she should step down. but with these e-mails, there was no choice. in fact, one source said to me that what was being communicated to her, either you do this on your own with the statement you put out or we'll do it for you. >> a dramatic moment, gloria, indeed. normally when a situation like this unfolds the person at the top says i don't want to do anything to disrupt our convention. for the good of the convention, the good of the party, i'm gooding to step down. >> there's a larger story here, wolf, about this. this is about the division in the democratic party that bernie
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sanders people are out there, could raise a ruckus. i would assume they would, if she was speaking before the convention. and bernie sanders has been very restrained in his statement because he's been saying all along that the democratic national committee was rigged against him. they didn't want him to get the nomination. and this just fuels that. it's too late now, right? so what do they have to do, wolf? they have to kind of push this aside no matter how much hard work she's done for the party for the past years, and she's done an awful lot, a tremendous amount, but they say, look, you were for hillary clinton. these e-mails prove it. and there could be more e-mails coming down the road that will prove it even more. so what do you have to do? you have to sort of cut it off and say, okay, as hard as it is, we've got to move on. >> david, as jeff zeleny said, even if she just makes a brief statement opening the convention, closing the convention, then formally resigning, you know what the
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bernie sanders crowd reaction is going to be on the floor of that convention. >> i'm not even sure that the hillary clinton people will greet her so warmly either. at this point, she has created more of a problem at the opening of this convention than anything else. listen, obviously she still has her supporters, but this is, i would say, two months ago, wolf, we heard rumblings from very senior democrats that it was very possible that debbie wasserman schultz wasn't going to make it all the way through this election season. she does have this primary in florida for her congressional seat that was getting more competitive, which would be an easy way out after the convention. >> and bernie sanders endorsed -- >> and bernie sanders endorsed her opponent, no doubt. so i don't know that dwrs was long for this world to begin with, once this convention concluded. but watching her statement, what she put out today, it's clearly so important to her to still have some role on that stage and yeah, i imagine she might get some boos, but if the clinton folks can campaign her enough that it's three minutes and then
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we don't see debbie wasserman schultz again throughout the convention, i imagine this will be nothing but a small little blip come tomorrow. >> how is donald trump responding to all of this? >> he's certainly already trying to capitalize on this, to paint this as a convention already in chaos. he just tweeted a moment ago, quote, i always said that debbie wasserman schultz was overrated. the dems convention is cracking up. and bernie is exhausted. no energy left. i always said that reince priebus is the tough one and the smart one, not debbie wasserman schultz. and this speaks to the core of hillary clinton someone in his opinion that benefits from a rigged system that plays by her own set of rules. as we saw with the tim kaine pick over the weekend, trump really trying to use some of that anger, disaffected sanders supporters, trying to reach out to them. here's what he said earlier this
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morning. >> he has been gamed. he has been -- it's a rigged system against him. and what happened with the choice of tim kaine was a slap in the face to bernie sanders and everybody. i was shocked. >> and i think this really lets donald trump fall into something that is very much his comfort zone, arguing the system is rigged, and that's an argument that clearly he wants to bring against hillary clinton. >> what does this say with the state of the democratic party right now on the eve of the national convention? >> well, look, it's a party that's divided. the republican party's divided, the democrat's party's divided. two candidates with the highest unfavorables in the history of our country. this is a party that is divided and bernie sanders have reached their arrangement. he will be speaking this week at the convention. we'll see what kind of applause
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he gets. but look, you know, you can't paper over real differences that were fought out day in and day out over the last 12 months. >> and it's not just that there are differences. it's that donald trump is on to something. he understands because his supporters are backing him for a lot of reasons but one main reason is because he says over and over the system is rigged and he's appealing to people who feel left behind, because they just can't get ahead because of that. same goes for bernie sanders supporters. and so this coming out in black and white or on e-mail feeds right into that and has not just bernie sanders but the people out there who think that the entire institution of politics and government is working against them, this feeds right into that. >> it's not only the rigged system. i spoke to a bernie sanders supporter yesterday here in philadelphia who i said, is there any chance that you're going to get on board with hillary? his response to me was, lock her up. he invoked the chant that we
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heard on the convention floor in cleveland from republican. i just think that this is not an easy party to heal in that way. i don't think we're going to see riots on the convention floor here in philadelphia, but i do think when you have 43% of the party who supported bernie sanders not getting the candidate of their choice. >> this is confirming evidence that they were right all along about the system being rigged against them and it's hard for them to take. >> we just got a statement from senator bernie sanders reacting to the resignation of debbie wasserman schultz. debbie wasserman schultz has made the right decision for the future of the democratic party. while she deserves thanks for her years of service, the party now needs new leadership that will open the doors of the party and welcome in working people and young people. the party leadership must also remain impartial and the presidential nominating process, something that did not occur in
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the 2016 race. let me get reaction to the bernie sanders statement. david chalian, your initial reaction. >> a lot of these things about opening the party up, welcoming working people and young people in, this is what bernie sanders has been saying for months after each one of his victories or defeats, he was on this line about the party throughout the whole nomination season. but the very last line there, wolf, that is the most stinging, that you must remain impartial. something which did not occur in this race. that's what the e-mails gave total proof positive to that scenario that the dnc did not remain -- >> he'd been making that point for months and months and months that the dnc under debbie wasserman schultz was not impartial. >> he did. he said it privately, he said it publicly. and his voters were listening and his supporters were listening. and they were listening then and they certainly were listening now. now at this point in time when hillary clinton is relying on bernie sanders to do what she did in 2008, tell her
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supporters, you know what? we're at the convention. it's time to get behind our nominee, it's going to be harder for him to make that case, especially when he puts out a an e-mail like that, but to get his supporters to listen. >> stand by. we have more information as the protesters walk the streets here in philadelphia. the sanders campaign is responding to all this news. we'll have live coverage of that. plus, is donald trump leaving the door open now for the former chief of fox news to join him out there on the campaign? you're going to hear what donald trump is saying about that. and hillary clinton's new effort to pick up battleground states. is her running mate a big key to her strategy? all this as our special live coverage from philadelphia continues right here in "the situation room." ♪ it's here,
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ibgard calms the angry gut. available at cvs, walgreens and rite aid. we'll have much more on the breaking news that debbie wasserman schultz the chair of the democratic national committee is resigning, this on the eve of the start of this democratic national convention here in philadelphia. much more on this coming up, but there are other related developments including the battle for the critically important battleground state of ohio. donald trump, a lot of experts suggest, has a tough competition there. he won't win, at least according to john kasich, the governor. the governor and the former presidential candidate is predicting trump will not carry ohio. no republican has ever been elected to the white house without carrying ohio. kasich wouldn't speak at the
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republican national convention in cleveland last week. he has not endorsed donald trump. now he's saying publicly that he doesn't believe donald trump can win his state of ohio in november. the philadelphia inquirer quoted kasich as saying ohio is a snapshot of the country. people in ohio want to see a positive ajepd genagenda, a pos to move forward. john king is standing by. we'll have full analysis of this and all the other developments. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. here's to the heroes -- america's small business owners. and here's to the heroes behind the heroes, who use their expertise to keep those businesses covered. and here's to the heroes behind the heroes behind the heroes, who brought us delicious gyros. actually, the gyro hero owns vero's gyros,
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let's get back to the breaking news here at the democratic national convention in philadelphia. debbie wasserman schultz is out. out as the leader of the democratic national committee saying she'll resign when this convention is over. it ends thursday night. the announcement comes during an embarrassing e-mail scandal that triggered mounting calls for wasserman schultz to step down. i want to go to my next guest, a bernie sanders surrogate and very active trying to get bernie sanders the democratic nomination. didn't work out. what's your reaction to it's huge news, debbie wasserman schultz announces her resignation. >> this is great. this is the dnc tearing off the
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band-aid and actually doing what needs to be done for us to heal. the reality was big damage was done to the base of the party by the dnc being impartial in attacking the sanders campaign. that happened on her watch. and we needed assurance that they were serious now about unifying. we've gotten that assurance. we can really begin to move forward and, frankly, focus on the next 100 day. we have a guy, eye say it's a neofascist, donald trump, who is mounting a serious bid for the u.s. presidency. we have to stop him. we have a hundred days to do it. this week is a week to unify our party. >> you have not until today officially endorsed hillary clinton, have you? >> that's exactly right. i was planning on doing it yesterday. we had to get through platform, we had a unifying platform. we needed to do what we did which was introduce the most progressive platform in history. within the whole e-mail scandal
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broke. and i just can't come out right now in the middle of this until they're ready to act and assure us that they'll begin cleaning house over there. debbie being out is a big thing. donna being in is a bigger thing. >> we're talking about donna brazile, the vice chair of the democratic committee. she'll be the acting chair. >> she'll we the acting chair. donna is somebody who -- she's a no-bs person, let's put it that way. she's remained neutral in this process. she's not endorsed bernie. she will not tolerate staff who act in ways that are unprofessional and do things that we now know the ceo and the cfo of the dnc have done. i'm now in a place where i can endorse because we have a great platform. we are making real progress in superdelegates and, yes, finally we're cleaning house at the dnc. >> you are now officially endorsing hillary clinton for president of the united states? >> absolutely. >> you want all bernie sanders
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supporters to follow suit? >> look, people are going to do what they're going to do, but they need to wrestle with their conscience and really ask themselves in this moment when we're facing probably the biggest threat we've ever seen heading towards the white house and donald trump, mounting a very serious campaign, do you want to wake up in mid-november with him as president and not have done everything that you could possibly do? we have the supreme court, voting rights, you know, big issues with the environment, we have the prospect with hillary finally getting a $15 minimum wage. donald trump doesn't believe there should be a minimum wage. >> what's the biggest issue in the e-mails that were leaked that outraged you? >> we're the democratic party. we're the party of inclusion, we're the party of tolerance. the decision to attack somebody on their faith is outrageous. and that's why it was so important that this happen right now. >> somebody at the dnc suggested, well, maybe people should start questioning whether
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bernie sanders, who is jewish, believes in god. that was the issue that outraged you? >> think about the outrage we had over the use of the star of david a few weeks ago and some trump thing against hillary, a trump meme against hillary. this is worse than that. and so that's why we needed to see real action. so now we can move on, we can come together, we can go out there, we can say, you know, look, tim kaine, here's somebody who has been a civil rights lawyer, somebody who speaks spanish, somebody who has led a majority of black city in a southern state as well as an important southern swing state. the way we make use of somebody and play to his strength is we begin to invest -- >> like the tim kaine vice presidential pick? >> what i'm willing to say is he has strengths we can play to. let's play to his strengths. >> when you say the dnc needs to clean house, debbie wasserman schultz will resign after the convention is over. you want others to resign as
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well? >> look, i said -- i don't see a reason to dwell on it. but i've been pretty clear, any ceo or cfo who acted the way they did in these e-mails need to accept responsibility and move on. again, their boss stepping down is a sign that things are -- are -- are moving forward. i will be very surprised if we don't see donna come in and clean house. >> one final question before i let you go. if she opens the convention with the gavel, just makes a brief appearance, closes the convention with a gavel, is there still that possibility what will happen on the convention floor? >> some people will probably boo her. i think most people, including myself, will know that she's on her way out and try to give her her moment to say good-bye in her way. >> that will be it. thank you for joining us. don't leave yet. now to john king.
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how they're matching up in ohio. what are you learning? >> well, wolf, as you know, governor john kasich, the republican governor of ohio has been quoted as saying donald trump doesn't have a prayer in ohio. governor kasich, this is the 2012 map. ohio at the moment, a one-point clinton edge if you average out real clear politics does. that's a dead heat in a very key state. wolf, it also tells you that look at these other battleground states virginia up 5, florida a tie. pennsylvania up only three. colorado up about eight. and this is before these polls were taken before the republican convention. i've talked to people in each of these states in the past few days who think that the race has moved trump's way in the past week or two. governor kasich may say she can't win ohio, but if you look at the polling, this is an incredibly competitive race. most people in the swing states think momentum trump. wolf? >> what's hillary clinton's biggest hurdle, john, in defending her electoral college
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footprint? >> let's switch maps and take a look at this right here and let me move to this one right here right now. this is how cnn calls the race right now. if these states are dark red, they're solid republican, light red, lean republican. dark blue, solid democrat, light blue lean democrat. here's where we have the race, 232 for clinton, 191 for trump. clear advantage for secretary clinton. you were just talking about the tim kaine pick. if hillary clinton could take kim cain's state of virginia and if tim kaine, they did this unveiling in florida with his spanish language skills, fla, if nothing else changes and they win virginia and florida, game over. hillary clinton to 278. one reason tim kaine was picked and the map favors secretary clinton right now. because to catch up in this advantage, donald trump would have to win in pennsylvania. a long time since a republican won. republicans always have to win ohio. he would have to start picking -- but if you look at
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this right now, if you focus on two or three states, watch virginia, fla, pennsylvania. tell you a lot about the next hundred days. >> john king over at the magic wall with the electoral map. thanks very much. in a new interview, president obama says trump's policies betray what america stands for. is president obama setting the tone for what we can expect to hear at this democratic national convention? stay with us. this is cnn's special live coverage. frequent heartburn because you can't beat zero heartburn! ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount,
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president obama sending what could be a new tone at the democratic national convention telling cbs news that some of donald trump's ideas threaten the very fabric of america. >> if we start engaging in the kinds of proposals that we've heard from mr. trump or some of the sur o dpats like mr. gingrich where we start suggesting that we would apply religious tests to who could come in here, that we are screening muslim americans differently than we would others, thenny with are betraying that very thing that makes america exceptional. >> let's bring in our cnn panel of cnn political contributors. angela rye, scottie nell hughes,
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a trump supporter, and the journalist and author carl bernstein. so carl, will president obama be taking a more assertive attack role, do you believe, in the coming weeks and months going after donald trump? >> i know so. i've called this election to gettysburg of the cultural wars in the white house and hillary clinton. they know that they could lose this thing. and what is at stake is this dark view of america, the president is absolutely convinced that if trump wins, that the future of the united states and our relationship to the rest of the world is at stake. and he's right. there is going to be a unified convention because of that. and what we're seeing here is all the firemen have been called in. michael bloomberg has been enlisted. he's no great fan of hillary clinton. he's been enlisted to come to this convention and say exactly what the president has said. we're going to hear that as the message from all of the speakers
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bernie sanders is on. this is kind of a silk purse out of a sow's ear that's been made of the debbie wasserman schultz situation. there is unity as a result of exactly what the president is talking about. they know that this is going to be a hard fought election. they could lose everything unless they go after him like this because the danger is real. >> scottie, you're a donald trump supporter. does that scare you, the unity of these very high profile democrats including michael bloomberg, the former mayor of new york, announcing he's going to actually come here and endorse hillary clinton? >> well, it would scare me if it was true. it might have been true up until today. the event of today have changed the tone of this democratic party. it will be sit there and overshadowing this event as all net work will be talking about it. the caution here is right after donald trump's speech, cnn did a snap poll. 75% had a more positive outlook about a trump presidency after that. 76 were more likely to vote for trump. everything can change in a day and change in a news cycle.
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i have the exact same feeling if hillary clinton was in the white house. >> that's a poll of people that actually watched the republican convention and more republicans clearly were watching than democrats. a lot of democrats didn't want to watch it. this is hillary clinton and tim kaine. they did their first joint interview on "60 minutes." watch this. >> he called you perfect hillary. what do you call him? >> i don't call him anything. i won't engage in that insult fest that he seems to thrive on. whatever he says about me, he's perfectly free to use up his own air time and his own space to do. i'm going to talk about what he's done, how he has hurt people in business time after time after time. >> she's done a good job of letting the water go off her back on this. that's not the way i feel. when i see this crooked hillary or i see the lock her up, it's
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just ridiculous. it is ridiculous. it is beneath the character of the kind of dialogue we have should because we've got real serious problems to solve. and most of us stop the name calling in fifth grade. >> what's your reaction, amanda, to that assessment? >> interesting to watch throughout the week how the democrats handled the balance of attacking trump and putting up hillary clinton's favorability. but we have to recognize the fact that this convention has been rocked by rogue actors. hillary clinton is a former secretary of state who is knowledgeable in cyber security issues should be able to speak to this because both candidates i see being very reactive to outside events. in order to be a positive leader take control of the narrative and push forward an agenda. i haven't seen that from either candidate yet. >> is the democratic party united -- i'm anxious to get your reaction to the tim kaine selection as her vice presidential running mate? >> here's the good news for tim
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kaine. a lot of people had it right, who is tim? he gets to reinvent himself because a lot of people don't know his history as a richmond mayor or as the governor of virginia or even as the dnc chair. they don't know that side of tim kaine and so many others don't know him as senator. he has quite a bit of ground to make up in terms of people knowing who he is and discovering who he is. he decided to change course on tpp. he's been clarifying remarks about his position on abortion that is a personal decision. he's been touting his conservative catholic beliefs. so he's got some ground to make up. i don't know what that will do for bernie supporters especially with this e-mail fallout. we'll see. >> you mentioned michael bloomberg endorsing hillary clinton. with independents, is that going to be significant in bringing more of those independents, undecideds over to hillary clinton? >> well, guns, as you know is one of his big issues. but he has credibility. he has credibility because he
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comes from the republican party. he was once a democrat. but what all of this also reflects is realization in the white house among the democrats that hillary clinton is a weak candidate, that she is not where she is expected to be, that the e-mail server thing has hurt her terribly. she's been shown to have lied. comey, the fbi director has this perception of her. but the bigger issues surround donald trump. and that enables this coalition now to come together and that's where we're heading. >> scottie, donald trump is a billionaire but michael bloomberg is a billionaire even a bigger billionaire than donald trump. you look at forbes and their net worth. how worried are you that this michael bloomberg endorsement of hillary clinton could take some of the independents and bring them over to hillary clinton? >> obviously there's a little bit of worry. but michael bloomberg has been rumored that he would run from
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president and he would take votes from hillary clinton. that's part of the reason why. he's been part of her views than our views for a long time. he's extremely progressive on a lot of social agendas. anybody that takes away the big gulp, that doesn't go over in the south where we enjoy things like that. we had michael flynn, a democrat, speak from our stage. amazing how much these two conventions are paralleling each other. >> see what unfolds in the coming days. roger ailes is out at fox news. so will donald trump tap him to advise his campaign? and what the republican nominee is saying about his good friend. that and a lot more coming up. o everything well? this clean was like pow! it added this other level of clean to it. it just kinda like...wiped everything clean. 6x cleaning my teeth are glowing. they are so white. 6x whitening i actually really like the 2 steps. step 1, cleans step 2, whitens. every time i use this together, it felt like...
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. one of the most successful media operations, but now roger ailes is out at fox news over sexual harassment allegations. is it possible he could join donald trump's campaign? the nominee himself refused to confirm or deny rumors that ailes may be coming on board. >> it's very sad because he's a very good person. i've always found him to be just a very, very good person. and by the way, a very talented person. look what he's done. i feel very badly. but a lot of people think he's going to run my campaign. my campaign's doing pretty well. >> joining us now our cnn political commentator and donald trump supporter john phillips and you think that donald trump would actually bring him into the campaign? i mean, he's a brilliant guy,
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roger ailes, by all accounts. he worked in republican politics before he worked for fox news. what do you think? >> having left cnn, i no longer have to speculate about things i can't answer. roger ailes has made billions of dlard dollars, skpun liand unlike true is no question about that. if they wanted a little me mea culpa, a little less narcissism, one of the few people that could tell him that is someone like roger ailes. now, do you want to bring on someone that was just discharged because of sexual harassment claims? probably not. >> that could happen behind the scenes, though, john. what do you think? >> i think that could happen. some newspapers have suggested that's the case. help from roger,ger ailes mightp
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trump keep in line. he helped george bush out in 1988 when bob dole creamed him in the state of iowa. he turned it around, turned the message when h.w. was accused of being a wimp, and he went after bob dole successfully, went on to win that election. same thing happened in 2004 when george w. bush got in trouble when he said, mission accomplished. they thought he was weak on terror, and roger ailes came in and he stayed on message. donald trump could use a dose of that right now. >> you heard donald trump say in the interview he is doing really well, and you know what, he is doing really well. he got the republican nomination. he beat 16 other well-known governors, senators. he is the 2016 nominee, and if you look at these polls, it's neck and neck. >> it's ironic in a way is one
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of the things that could hurt donald trump is his record. look, he did all these things on his own, what does he need help with now? it's a different terrain, and i think even for trump, the idea that you can now execute right through between, like, a 28 million vote primary and a $135 million general election, if there is somebody who he should listen to, if, in fact, some of his supporters say, you know, every once in a while you kind of go off the rails. in ailes' language, we can't use it on the air. we would say to him in effect, hey, cut the nonsense. i have a feeling trump might listen. >> he might listen to someone like roger ailes. and jeff knows this well, it used to be the old axiom that republican candidates when they're running for the nomination, they run to the right. once they get the nomination, they run back to the center. you see donald trump doing that? >> right, and i think if ailes
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is an adviser to trump, he's going to get one of those collars you put on dogs that when they bark it zaps them. any time he talks about the kennedy assassination, he zaps him. how experimental would it be if ailes is the one who helps him pull this thing out, because they have a commonality in one of the women who pushed roger ailes out of fox, megyn kelly. if he could help donald trump, what a period at the end of the sentence. >> we should at least acknowledge this. here is a company owned by a man of extremely militant firm, right-wing views run by a guy who for 20 years was a military operative and they were able to execute a slogan fair and balanced. if they could pull that off, you know, moving donald trump to a
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position where people are not actually questioning whether, you know, he is as stable as you want in a man with nuclear codes, maybe that's not such a big stretch. >> what should donald trump do this week to counterprogram, if you will, this democratic convention? >> shut up. >> really? >> shut up. let them have their drama play out on live television. they just lost debbie wasserman schultz, the chair of the party. the bernie people may go nuts. who knows what may happen here. the party is in complete disarray. if someone is committing suicide, don't commit homicide. >> but you're backing the other one. >> you don't think donald trump is going to shut up this week. >> of course. think of how he's behaved the last 35 years. it's in his dna to hear all this and say, maybe i should do that. naaah! >> i'm telling you, we need that collar, wolf. >> thanks, guys. always good to welcome you guys back to cnn, even for a brief appearance. >> brief, and worth every penny
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we're following breaking news. stepping down, the woman in charge of the democratic convention leaving her role after e-mails surfaced suggesting a plot against bernie sanders. but debbie wasserman schultz isn't going right away. she'll be here this week. exploding accusations as donald trump fires back now blaming the russians for the leak in an effort to actually help donald trump. hitting trump, new attacks from president obama against the republican nominee. why he says trump isn't prepared to be commander in chief. i'm wolf blitzer. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world for cnn's live special coverage from philadelphia, you're in the situation room.
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happening right now, it's the last thing the democratic party wants on this, the eve of what's supposed to be a triumphant and solidifying and unifying national convention. uncertainty and upset in the highest level of party leadership, long-time chair of the democratic convention committee, debbie wasserm wasserman-schultz. she is out not immediately, but as soon as this convention wraps up here in philadelphia thursday night. it's come from a mountain of leaked e-mails that appears to show the committee and the chair showing bias against hillary clinton for bernie sanders. dana bash sat the site of the convention. inside, a democratic source says wasserman and hillary clinton spoke to president obama before she announced her resignation.
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what else are you hearing? >> reporter: i'm told by somebody who is close to the situation that the president himself did call her to thank her for her service, for her time leading the democratic national committee, really, during his tenure in the white house. but that leading up to that, there was a scramble of full court press. this is according to a source i'm talking to, jeff selany, john mccain, that they wanted it done before the gavel went down tomorrow. when i say they, my understanding is it was the clinton team -- as you can imagine, the sanders team and even the white house, that it was pretty much universal, that the democrats did not want this cloud over their convention for lots of reasons, primarily because it completely feeds into the notion that bernie sanders
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supporters came out in droves for him about, which is, the system is rigged, washington is broken and the whole idea on the floor here, if you're hillary clinton, is you want the sanders people who are coming to get behind you, and this doesn't help. >> debbie wasserman schultz, she still may open the convention, close the convention, hit that gavel. what's likely to happen if she does make even a brief appearance like that? >> reporter: well, we don't know. we do know from people around this that debbie wasserman schultz feels she has worked incredibly hard for the party for many years now. she worked up to this moment at this convention, and that she wants her due. she wants her chance to speak to the delegates. to answer your question, obviously the concern, not just from people who are aligned with
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders, but people who, like debbie wasserman schultz, they want her to be in a position of concern out there. let me read very briefly the end of bernie sanders' statement on this. this kind of, again, illustrates why this is so tough for her and for the party. he said, the party's leadership must always remain impartial in a presidential nominating process, something which did not occur in the 2016 race. for delegates coming here who voted and worked so hard for bernie sanders, to see that kind of statement coming from their candidate who just a few weeks ago stood with hillary clinton and said, it ti's time to get behind our nominee, that is going to make things very difficult for them. we've already seen, and i'm sure you have, wolf, lots of bernie sanders signs and buttons and people still outwardly supporting sanders in and around the streets of philadelphia. and so it's not so easy for them to turn that off. one other thing i wanted to say to you is that the trump
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campaign is stoking it. is stoking the notion of the system being rigged. paul manafort, the campaign chair of donald trump, put out a statement saying just that, that this proves not just the dnc is rigged, but hillary clinton, and this proves her e-mail s are a problem and she should get out of the race. >> let's not forget, bernie sanders got 13 of the votes in the caucuses, and a lot of bernie sanders supporters are out on the street and a lot of them will be inside the convention as well at the wells fargo center. dana, thanks very much. i want to bring in our panel to weigh in on all of this and more. joining us, our cnn chief correspondent jeff zelany, melissa roseman, and editor of politics mark pressman. jeff, you've done a lot of
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excellent reporting on all of this. there are words she may gavel that convention to order tomorrow, but you're hearing it's possible she may also speak? >> yes, i'm told she is going to speak, actually. probably tomorrow, but at the beginning of the convention which would make sense. she wouldn't want to wait until the end of the week to speak. i'm told it will be a very short speech, potentially three to five minutes or so, and really wants to address a lot of the delegates and democrats in the room. as dana was just saying, she has been working towards this convention. the interesting thing is there was a period of time this afternoon where it seemed the clinton campaign did not want her to speak, because they, a, one person said they wanted to save her any embarrassment, and really avoid any type of cleveland situation, but it seems that either, a, that was wrong, or b, that was changed. she is likely to speak. and i'm told bernie sanders actually offered assurances that his delegates and supporters would be respectful of her if she speaks tomorrow afternoon or early evening.
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>> hillary, you're plugged in with these democrats. what are you hearing? >> i can tell you, with all due respect to my bestie dana, that report is wrong. >> which report? >> that debbie was somehow forced out. she was not. there was -- she woke up this morning, met with the clinton campaign, saw that the story wasn't going away, affirmatively told them that she had this decision, that she wanted to step down but that she also wanted to see through the work she was doing at the convention. there was no opposition from the campaign on that. there had not been a back and forth today about whether or not she would speak or wouldn't speak. she was always planning on speaking tomorrow. gaveling in the convention open and closing it on thursday. and she will have things to say to the delegates. there is a lot at stake for democrats around the country. >> lots of bernie sanders supporters on the floor won't be happy if she speaks, and they'll start booing her. >> here's the thing.
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democrats like debbie wasserman schultz. she has traveled this country for the last five and a half years for this president. she will get many more cheers on the floor tomorrow than she will get boos. there may be a few assorted boos, but i think it's true that the sanders campaign is not going to put out any sort of word to trash her down. she will get a lot of tears tomorrow. this panel, this audience, is going to be surprised if that's what you think. >> another reporting that dana mentioned are things that all of us have heard. i know you spent the day with her. you were saying she was not in any way reluctant to step down, that that was her decision from this morning. >> there was significant discussion, but the discussion that she always had was, does me stepping down do what i would have wanted to accomplish, which doesn't make this story go away, because debbie wasserman schultz doesn't want to be that story. hillary clinton is the story this week. this campaign is about demonstrating for the country
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that hillary clinton is the right alternative to donald trump. i think she thoughtfully came to the conclusion that this story was not going away and the best thing for her to do would be to assure people that after this convention she would step down. >> mia, what are you hearing? >> this in some ways demonstrates the debate going on outside among bernie sanders supporters. they don't want to see her in that convention gaveling in, and they do expect some boos. i do think the idea of whether or not this story goes away is of real concern to a lot of democrats. her there in the convention hall gaveling in her speaking, that gives this more kind of legs. they want this to go away, a lot of democrats do, and move forward. you imagine by the end of the day tomorrow, once they have bernie sanders speaking, elizabeth warren speaking, michelle obama is speaking
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tomorrow, you can imagine that there will be a different story come tuesday morning and the debbie wasserman schultz story will be put behind them. but this is an opening for trump to say, look at the democratic party. it is rigged in hillary clinton's favor. he's been tweeting about that for some time. >> donald trump tweeted this. i always said debbie wasserman schultz is overrated. the dems convention is cracking up and bernie is exhausted. no energy left. >> i could probably go back and find a statement from donald trump four weeks ago where he was trashing rhein priebus. unfortunately, they've become punching bags in many ways, rhein priebus with his own candidate, and debbie wasserman schultz, the campaign has been complaining about her for over a year. there was always bad blood. we didn't see anything in
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statement where she apologized. if she was going to step down, why did it take until late this afternoon for it to happen? it really bubbled up really fast. it's unfortunate it's come to this because she has been working toward this goal. but for her to go on stage tomorrow, as we expect her to do, and if she does get booed, i was told by a senior sanders person, we can't control our delegates. we can try, but we can't control them. she's running for reelection, and that becomes a television ad. >> those e-mails were very, very, very embarrassing. when you have top officials of the dnc, and she's the chair, saying, maybe you should raise questions about bernie sanders who is jewish, whether he believes in god. in some states like west virginia or kentucky or tennessee, that will resonate with voters out there.
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is an apology enough? should these people go? >> you could argue she should go, but she is now taking responsibility. she is leaving. she she's saying, you know, the staffer who worked for me apologized. i'm going to leave, and this notion that somehow the bernie sanders people still need more red meat, i think we're going to see a lot less action on this than people believe. look, we have come into this convention now. we have a unified rules program where we're going to have a unity reform commission. there is a unity on the platform. there may be some additional floor amendments there, but for the first time, there is a huge amount of togetherness here on this platform. i just do not think that the sanders -- first of all, there is no one sanders view, right? we saw the senator today say, you know, she deserves thanks for what she did and we're moving on. >> you spent time with her
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today. how is she holding up? >> she's got her big girl pants on. she understands this is a rough and tumble, and i think she believes that they ran despite their personal feelings, which everybody knew, a neutral process going forward in this campaign. both sides got mad at her as a close reading of these e-mails will show. the clinton campaign was mad at her sometimes, the sanders campaign was mad at her sometimes. >> she made it clear she may be resigning as chair of the dnc but she's going to continue reelecti reelection. don't miss cnn's live coverage of the democratic convention. our live coverage will begin tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. up next, president obama aiming new attacks squarely at donald trump. is this a preview of what we're likely to see when the president takes the stage at the convention this week?
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hillary clinton and tim kaine, they're more clearly laying out their strategy for hitting back at donald trump. >> he calls you crooked hillary. what do you call him? >> i don't call him anything. and i'm not going to engage in that kind of insult fest that he seems to thrive on.
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so whatever he says about me, he's perfectly free to use up his own air time and his own space to do. i'm going to talk about what he's done, how he has hurt people in business time after time after time. >> she's done a good job of letting the water go off her back on this. that's not the way i feel. when i see this crooked hillary or i see the "lock her up," it is ridiculous. it is beneath the character of the kind of dialogue we should have because we have real serious problems to solve, and most of us stopped the name-calling thing about fifth grade. >> i want to bring in our cnn political commentators, bill press is with us, hilary rosen, and the governor of south carolina, mary bower is with us. you heard the argument between
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the presumptive nominee and her first man. >> i would take the advice that he should stay on message and excite people to go out and vote for him. i don't want him to say i'm going out and voting for someone besides hillary, i want him to stay on message and talk about improving their lives. i hope he talks about his vision for making america better. >> is this the good cop-bad cop that hillary clinton would be more level-headed, even, if you will, but tim kaine would be the attack dog? >> it's a reversal of how most people see tim kaine who is incredibly kind, nice and polite. and hillary, who i think a lot of people would think got dirty, can get down in the mud and get her hands guitdirty, but it's ad look for that team for her to say, i'm going to do what i can to help people. and for tim kaine, who is a credible voice for a lot of democrats to say, well, i'll
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take on that fight. he has nothing to lose by doing that, and i think he can do a very effective job at that. but everything you have heard from democrats since the second he was announced was what a nice guy he is. it will be interesting to see how he changes in that tone. >> hilary rosen, hillary clinton has a tough mission right now. because you know donald trump. when he is hit, he hits you right back. he likes to hit you back ten times as hard as you would. we saw all that during the republican primaries. what's going to unfold in the coming weeks and months? >> here, though, is the first thing that's going to unfold. we are going to see a convention this week where hillary clinton and democrats are going to talk much more about her positive vision for this country than about donald trump. last week the only thing everybody in the room could agree on was that they didn't like hillary clinton. they didn't all agree that they liked donald trump. you're going to see democrats in a very different place. first of all, get positive. this is her chance to introduce
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herself anew to america with the convention starting this week. secondly, now that there is someone else campaigning with hillary who will have a microphone almost as big as hers, couple that with the president of the united states who is now willing to engage, hillary can be much more about her vision. she can say, i'm not going to go there. i'm not going into the insult fest. let the other guys do it. >> let me play a clip for you. this is president obama speaking on cbs earlier today. >> this is somebody who knows as much about domestic and foreign policy as anybody, is tough as nails, is motivated by what's best for america and ordinary people, understands that in this democracy that we have, things don't always happen as fast as we'd like, and it requires
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compromise and grinding it out. she's not always flashy, and there are better speechmakers. but she knows her stuff. >> you're chuckling, bill press. >> i was chuckling at the speakermaker comment, but compare watching donald trump on "60 minutes" and bill pence last week where bill pence beararelyt a word in. this is personal for president obama. other presidents might sit on the sideline, but he feels he's done a really good job, worked as hard as he can for the last eight years. he really cares about who carries on the country. he's been chomping at the bit to get out and campaign for hillary clinton, but it's not just that he sees hillary clinton as the best one to continue his legacy
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and kmecomplete his programs. donald trump would just be bad for the country, not just his legacy. he would be doing more than any incumbent president has ever done to make sure that does not happen. >> if president obama can help hillary clinton and tim kaine recreate that obama coalition that got him reelected twice, donald trump is going to be in deep trouble. >> this is the same guy that in 2008 said she would do nothing, because again, when he was fighting with her, he said some not so nice things about her and she did about him. i'm sure he'll be working as hard as he can for her, but part of that is a convoluted message. >> he worked side by side with her for five years after that, so he really does know her. there is no question that the primary sell here has to be hillary clinton's, and she knows that. this is her week to prove that.
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>> she started the week poorly, though. >> it's awkward. >> can i just say something about tim kaine as a pick? i think he's the right pick for her, but i think it shows how incredibly political she is. she needed progressives in the primary. she knows she doesn't need them in the general. tim kaine is the exact right pick for her in the general election rather than another progressive, and i know bernie sanders fans and progressives are upset about that, but she is political above everything else. it's something i wish republicans would remember sometimes, that winning is how you get your ideas and your principles into legislation and action, and that winning has to be a priority. she clearly showed that winning is a priority. >> bill press, you're a bernie sanders supporter. do you agree that she needs to move to the center now, and that's why she picked a more moderate person like tim kaine than a more progressive person?
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>> i am entertained by hillary clinton's selection. he's not my first choice, but he's a very safe choice for her. i would rather see a bolder choice, but tim kaine is a good man. he brings a lot to the ticket. certainly when you pair the two of them against donald trump and mike pence, for progressives like me, there is no place else to go. >> i can see them on a bumper sticker. "no place else to go." that's real inspiring, bill. >> i'm just saying this is a safe choice for her, right? >> yeah. >> and the idea that tim kaine people like me are going to be so upset about tim kaine we're going to go for harry stein or jim johnson. that's crazy. >> this was a government choice, this wasn't a politics choice. there might have been other ways to energize a base, get out votes, but she clearly made this a government choice.
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>> he can help her in virginia. he speaks spanish. he can help her in florida. >> he can help heroine. >> really, what she was focused on, and you could see even by that good chemistry there, was who am i going to be happy seeing every morning in the oval office? elizabeth warren is a friend of mine, and i think she would make a great vice president, but as a woman, the sexism that hillary clinton has already endured, honestly, i think that might have been too much straw on that camel's back to run two women. >> i think america is ready. >> i understand why that was not a safe choice. . it's too safe to say. now, everybody could say, sure, we would have been fine with two women. but you know what? i didn't have that experience. next, amid all the dnc drama, some good news for
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as the democratic party is rocked on controversy on the eve of the convention, there is good news for hillary clinton and it's coming from this man, and you see him right there. it's michael bloomberg, former mayor of new york city. he'll be endorsing hillary clinton this week here in philadelphia at the convention. let's talk about the impact this could potentially have. bernard whitman is a former poster for both mayor bloomberg and hillary clinton. thank you very much for joining us. i know you're the author of "52 reasons to vote for hillary," so clearly you support hillary clinton. why do you think the former mayor, mayor bloomberg, decided to do this at this point? >> well, you know, i think this is an extraordinary moment for hillary clinton and for michael bloomberg. michael bloomberg has supported candidates across the political spectrum, but as a three-term
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mayor of the biggest city in america, he knows exactly what it takes to bring people together and get things done to improve the lives of millions of americans. mayor bloomberg has made no secret of his disdain for donald trump's hateful rhetoric, and i think he shares many of the same values, policies and programs that are at the core of hillary clinton's vision for a different america. i think it also makes perfect sense. and i think as a business leader, he can speak directly to millions of republicans and conservative leading independents who may still be unclear about hillary but have serious concerns, wolf, about voting for donald trump. >> do you think he did this more out of his dislike for donald trump as opposed to his like, if you will, for hillary clinton? >> i actually think, wolf, he did it for his love of country, and that may sound cliche, but i think it's the honest to god truth. when he said a few months ago he was not going to run for president, he also said i was worried that my campaign,
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unfortunately, had the potential to help elect donald trump, and that would be a disaster for america. when you look at what the values are that mayor bloomberg holds dear, what he's really committed his life to in these chapters of his life now, he's for things like gun safety, things like immigration reform, climate change and job creation. these are exact ly the same typs of policies that hillary clinton wants to support and the exact opposite of the political spectrum than donald trump. while hillary clinton and mayor bloomberg may not see eye to eye, they certainly have a different approach to economic approach and so forth, they share the same values of love and country. i think michael bloomberg realizes that the worst thing for america would be to elect donald trump for president. >> he's worth billions and billions of dollars. if you put some of that money into the clinton campaign, some of those superpacs, that could be advantageous as well. in the battle for ohio,
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donald trump probably won't win at least that, according to the governor john kasich, the former presidential candidate. kasich, as you recall, wouldn't speak at the republican national convention. he has not endorsed donald trump by any means. now he's saying publicly he doesn't think donald trump can win ohio, a key battleground state, in november. the philadelphia enquirer quoted kasich as saying, ohio's a snapshot of the country. people in ohio want to see a positive agenda, a positive way to move forward. i'll start with you, how do you characterize the race in ohio right now? >> wolf, let's go back in time just to remind people ohio is always a battleground. last year in 2012, it was very close, president obama winning 50 out of 28. maybe governor kasich has a crystal ball or he's had the ouiji board out and he knows
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what will happen. this is the politics average of swing state polling and hillary clinton has a one-point lead right now in the state of ohio. these are other key battleground states. tied in florida. up a bit in virginia. essentially a tie in ohio. up a little bit in pennsylvania. tie in virginia. up a little bit in colorado. these were taken before the republican convention. strategists tell you now donald trump's numbers are a little better. several of these other states? this is a very, very tight race. governor kasich knows his state well, but at the moment, donald trump is more into play. >> what president obama did in 2008, 2009, people came out in big numbers and voted for him. she needs that huge democratic base. there's a big difference between the two sets of swing states,
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virginia, north carolina, flor plor, colorado, generally they're growing more diverse and the hill is becoming cheaper at a time when donald trump is struggling. >> wisconsin, iowa, pennsylvania, michigan, they -- you really see a very different scenario? >> the sun belt may prove to be tough for him, although he's gotten over the biggest hurdles. >> what do you see as the economic base that the democrats have? >> we give hillary clinton 236 at the moment to 190, donald
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trump. dark blue states, solid democrat, bright blue clints. he has to win florida. he has to win north carolina. if he can't win these states, he would have to do a sweep across the midwest. pennsylvan pennsylvania. if you can kaums. but laviolette me show you a different scenario. even if he won all these, he might need one more. new hampshire, maybe. if hillary clinton can win her home state of virginia, ball game over. we're going to spend a lot of time in florida. donald trump has to hold florida, wolf. it's going to be a long chest
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game. >> i suspect. . the votes that they get potentially are more likely to be taken away from hillary clinton as opposed to donald trump. >> you know, there is a broad problem and a specific problem with a third party. there is evidence that donald trump has a ceiling. he has struggled to get about 4 and if he gets more for the number he's getting to, but hillary clinton's less amount is young people under 30. she is consistently underperforming in both national and state battleground polls among those young people. i think that's where gary
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johnson are political. men under 35 were voting for the alternatives. those are votes she expects and those are the votes she may need given what's been generating among younger americans. >> what happened in 2000 in the state of florida. the ralph nader of the green party got somewhere around 90,000 votes, and a lot of people to this day believe a lot of those 90,000 votes potentially would have gone to al gore. >> gary johnson is as a. they actually made the debate threshold in the. maybe it will drive bernie sanders supporters her way. democrats might say, you might be spoilers? they're not going anywhere.
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straight ahead, a stunning accusation as donald trump taunts democrats over the e-mail fires from the clinton campaign now blaming the system. we have democratic national convention coverage from philadelphia. you do all this research on a perfect car,
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so what's russia got to do with the dnc e-mail scandal that has rocked the campaign? plenty. cnn telling jake tapper those e-mails were dumped by the russians to benefit one person. >> experts are telling us that russian state actors broke into the dnc, stole these e-mails and other experts are now saying the russians are releasing these e-mails for the purpose of actually helping donald trump. i don't think it's coincidental that these e-mails were released on the eve of our convention here. and that's disturbing. >> joining us now, cnn political commentators jeffrey lord and michael nutter, also our political analyst josh rogan is
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with us also. that's a serious allegation, that the republicans hacked the dnc, took these e-mails, went through them, gave them to wikileaks to deliberately embarrass the democrats. if you believe the clinton camp, all designed to help donald trump who is seen as more, quote, pro russia. >> there's no smoking gun, no 100% proof, but here's what we know. when they investigated these hacks, they traced them back to two hacker groups associated with the russian intelligence services. they're called smoking bear and dancing bear. they have a long history of hacking u.s. government accounts, okay? we also know the russian government has been actively working against hillary clinton for many years. vladimir putin has a ven did he tell -- vendetta against him. he believes she interfered with his own election in 2005. this has been all over the united states for a very long time.
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so we can never prove exactly who did the hacking, but it makes sense. they can't prove it, either, but this would follow the pattern of how the russians do business and it is clear that the russians do not want hillary clinton to be president. >> let's get a response to that. it's a very serious allegation. >> it is. it is. the first thought that occurs is so much for the russian reset. here is secretary clinton going around the country talking about her experience in foreign policy and all the credibility she has. one of the very first things she did was present that little g gizmo button thing to the people of russia and here we are. this is how they pay her back. i would say the russian reset has not been very successful, number one. and number two, this brings up the subject yet again of her own e-mails. this is the democratic national committee, presumably, and their servers which are in some degree of security, and here she had hers on a private server. no wonder she got in trouble for this. here we are again with this story yet again. >>
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the russian reset was a really long time ago with medvedev and not putin. donald trump, his campaign chairman, a lobbyist over a decade. talking about nato, reducing the commitment. the republicans are the anti-putin, anti-russia party and the republicans are party cozying up to russia. that's a reversal but not speaks well of donald trump. >> you are not suggesting that the trump campaign asked the russians to do this, are you? >> they just happen to agree and left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and the russians are helping -- >> josh say there is's no smoking gun and all speculation. what's your assessment? >> seems to fit in with the particular narrative. >> you think the russians prefer donald trump as president of the united states? >> apparently likes putin. you know? they're buddies together. >> the russians like what trump
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said about nato, the u.s. commitment may not go forward if the others don't pay their own responsibility. they share -- >> that suggestion picked up by republican senators, as a matter of fact. his main point with this, we have a debt now approaching $20 trillion. and it's not just nato that's affected. the entire economy is going to be affected if we crash here. so, you've got to start -- >> getting a lot of pushback on his comments on -- listen, you know, mitch mcconnell himself senate majority leader saying donald trump maybe needs more experience in foreign policy. trump responded. i'll play the clip. >> we have nato. and we have many countries that aren't paying for their what they're supposed to be paying which is already too little and not paying anyway and we're giving them a free ride or giving them a ride and owe us tremendous amounts of money and they have the money and not
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paying it. >> so do you disagree with him on that point? that the nato allies, 28 of them, only the u.s. and the uk spend 2% of their gdp on defense. they're all supposed to be spending 2%. they don't. >> well, wolf, i used to pick up trash and fill potholes, this is not a big expertise for me. bottom line is even mitch mcconnell said that donald trump's views on this issue are wrong. trying to change longstanding policy and no idea what he's talking about but again he's the only person who's ever right. in the world in which he lives. that's just absurd. >> mitch mcconnell is right in the sense that most republicans are out of step with where donald trump is and wrong saying that donald trump is making a mistake. this is his view. he wants to change u.s. policy, wants to bring american troops back from abroad. right? now, that's okay. you can disagree or agree with that and don't fool ourselves
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into thinking they don't know what they're doing. >> donald trump made the statements about nato for a long time. i have interviewed him many times over the years and on this issue of nato, he's been fairly consistent over the years. but i want you to listen to president obama. i want to get your reaction, jeffrey. here's president obama speaking about donald trump on foreign policy. >> if we start engaging in the kinds of proposal that is we have heard from mr. trump or some of his surrogates like mr. gingrich, where we start suggesting that we would apply religious tests to who could come in here, that we are screening muslim americans differently than we would others, then we are betraying that very thing that makes america exceptional. >> all right. go ahead, respond to the president. >> you know, notice he included newt gingrich in there. he's no novice at american foreign policy here so i find it very interesting that he lump it
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is two of them. >> i think referring to his comment about if muslims believe in sharia, they should be deported. >> right, right. look. what we have here and if you notice in donald trump's speech he referred to people coming from certain countries with terrorist ties. that's what this is all about. all he's been saying right from the get go is stop the inflow for a minute. figure out what's wrong with our system so we don't allow people in here determined to kill us and then start it up again and seems like common sense. >> how would we do in that? lay out the plan. >> doesn't make any sense. countries terrorists are allies and promised by terrorism and donald trump can't go out there and say obama has abandoned our allies and then say, oh, we are going to pull away from nato and stop immigration of france and germany. it's a contradictory message and it's confusing to not only voters but allies. >> we are not keeping track of who comes into this country. >> that's not true. >> legally.
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legally. >> that's not true. >> josh, josh -- >> plenty of vetting. >> that's not true. >> you are putting out falsehoods. >> the woman in san bernardino wasn't vetted. >> it didn't work but she was vetted. >> then that's why -- >> vetting is never a perfect system. >> what's the answer? >> lay out the system right now. >> we don't have enough time. >> doesn't exist. >> unfortunately almost completely -- >> they don't have one. we do have enough time. they don't have one. >> he doesn't want to give the enemy advance information. >> including americans. >> there will be three presidential debates and see what he will say with hillary clinton. did i tell you you have a beautiful city here in philadelphia? >> thank you very much. >> we agree on this. all three of us are from pennsylvania. >> brotherly love and sisterly affection. >> it's a great week. we hope. >> we will. >> peaceful and secure. that does it for me. thanks very much for watching.
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out front next, breaking news, forced out. head of the dnc debbie wasserman schultz gone. a major shakeup on the eve of the convention. plus, are the russians trying to help trump win the white house? that's the charge from the clinton campaign. my guest paul manafort this hour. chelsea clinton on the convention's final night, can she live up to ivanka trump's performance? let's get "out front." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. we begin with the breaking news on this sunday. democrats in disarray. the dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz out. welcome to a very special edition of "out front" live from philadelphia where the democratic national convention will start. debbie wasserman schultz is out at the

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