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coalition to the polls. we're talking about college educated and young, white people who supported bernie sanders, huge number. young people of all colors i should note. giving hillary clinton a lot of resistance. it will be a big challenge. >> let's go to the video first. this is an important video. >> we're going to see a video in a few minutes, jake. apparently we're going to start right now with carla ortiz. i think her mother, francesca, may be coming out as well. she's hoping that her apparents will be allowed to stay and she will be allowed to stay even though she was brought here illegally as a child. >> a memorable moment in the campaign and a big issue in the campaign, one that hillary clinton is going to be talking about from now until november,
trying to rally the latino vote, to motivate them, to get them out in crucial states where there's a sizeable latino population, colorado, nevada, florida, virginia. we'll see how well it goes. it is a big dividing line between her position and donald trump's. >> jeff zeleny is up on the podium right now. so far they're pretty much on schedule. let's see what happens next. >> they are, indeed, wolf. two or three hours or so, clinton and sanders officials have been behind closed doors trying to figure out how to keep things more calm for the rest of the evening. from our vantage point up here on the podium, i can tell you, wolf, tensions are definitely much cooler. some of the seats where people were holding those tpp signs, the sanders supporters, those are empty right now. jake was mentioning the historic nature of the candidacy. that's one other argument that senator sanders is trying to get through to his supporters, that they should be respectful of hillary clinton, tim kaine and the other speakers here. it seems things are calming down. we'll see what happens when those speeches begin coming up.
>> speakers will be very, very important in this effort, jake, to try to unify the democratic party. coming into today, there have been serious problems. >> bernie sanders is 100% behind hillary clinton. the question is, can he convince his very, very skeptical supporters to follow suit? we have seen huge tensions in the last 48 hours between the progressive wing of the democratic party and the general wing of the democratic party.
the party mainstream. if the bernie sanders' supporters stay home or 40% of them -- >> let me interrupt for a moment. the video is starting right now. >> all right. when i was -- my parents they -- deportation. i'm scared for them because of deportation. i'm scared that they will get deported. >> come here, babe.
>> i'm going to do everything i can so you don't have to be scared and you don't have to worry about what happens to your mom, dad or somebody else in your family. i feel really strongly that you're being very brave. you have to be brave for them, too. because they want you to be happy. they want you to be successful.
they don't want you to worry too much. let me do the worrying. i'll do all the worrying. is that a deal? i'll do the worrying. i'll do everything i can to help. okay? >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome carla ortiz and francesca ortiz from las vegas, nevad nevada.
>> thank you very much for coming here today. i really appreciate it. and today i'm going to tell you guys the story about my parents, about their deportation of immigration. and i'm a daughter of immigrant parents. very brave, that's what hillary clinton told me when i told her i was worried my parents would be deported. even when i was little, my parents were always crying. but i didn't understand why. [ speaking spanish ] >> i was born in las vegas, nevada. my parents came here, looking for a better life, for the american dream. [ speaking spanish ]
but i don't feel brave every day. on most days i'm scared. i'm scared that at any moment, my mom and my dad will be forced to leave. and i wonder, what if i come home and find it empty? i want to see my parents do -- i want my parents to see me do science experiments and help me find my rare rocks in the desert. i want to grow up to be a lawyer so i can help other families like us. i have hope. [ speaking spanish ] >> hillary clinton told me that she would do everything she could to help us. she told me that i didn't have to do the worrying because she would do the worrying for me and
retweeted by trump from an online message board for neo nazis, white sprupremacists. >> when mexico sends its people they're bringing crime, they're bringing drugs. they're rapists. we're going to have a deportation force. >> if you're saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> i don't think so at all. we're building a wall. he's a mexican. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> they would say, are you muslim? >> and if they said yes, they would not be allowed in the country? >> that's correct. >> now only have pocahontas to think about. >> donald trump has gone beyond the line with a lot of groups. >> trump remains the most divisive person in this race.
>> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome from las vegas, nerveva astrid silva. >> when i was 4 years old, my mother and i climbed into a raft and we crossed the river to join my father in america, in search of a better life. all i had was a little doll. i grew up like an ordinary girl. my dad worked as a landscaper and my mom stayed at home with my brother and i. but while my friends did ordinary things, i couldn't. because my parents were afraid that someone might discover i was undocumented. my family believed so deeply in the promise of this country that
we risked everything for the american dream. as an undocumented student, i felt like college was out of reach. but after a journey of ten years, i finally graduated from nevada state college. my family and i are here because of people like senator harry re reid. [ speaking spanish ] who put themselves in our shoes and helped us. and while president obama's immigration action protected me, we live in constant fear that my parents could be taken away from their grandson, noah. so, when donald trump talks about deporting 11 million people, he's talking about ripping families apart. separating families like mine and like karla's.
hillary clinton understands that this is not who we are as a country. i have seen her comfort children like ka are. la who are scared they might lose their parents to deportation. i know she will fight to keep our families together. [ speaking spanish ] i know she will. >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, please welcome representative luis gutierrez from illinois. >> thank you. hello, philadelphia.
you know, my parents grew up in rural puerto rico. they weren't educated. they didn't speak english. but they didn't even have a winter coat. barely out of their teens, they came to the u.s. when i -- and i was born in the great city of chicago. my parents were born american citizens but when they moved, along with half a million other puerto ricans in the 1950s, they were greeted with scorn and discrimination. politicians called them criminals. they said my parents were a dangerous disease and would ruin the country. sound familiar to you tonight?
nobody spoke up against the bigotry and hatred my parents endured. so you better believe i'm using my voice against the discrimination we hear today. i will raise my voice against the bigots who think a judge born in indiana can't do his job because his parents were born in mexico. i'll raise my voice against a bully who called hard-working immigrants criminals and rapists. someone who promises to round up and deport families, millions of families and then put up a wall between them and us. you have joined me in that fight and so has hillary clinton.
she stands with us so americans remain and america remains a welcoming nation. we don't discriminate because of what you look like, who you love, how you pray, what language your parents speak or where you were born. but let's be clear. my parents, when they came from puerto rico, weren't the only ones to confront discrimination. every generation of newcomers, whoever and whatever they come from, latin america, europe, africa, asia, the middle east, they're met with skepticism and suspicion. but every generation proves the skeptics wrong. immigrants contribute to our communities and make america a great nation. immigrants die defending our
democracy. and you know what? they give our founding principles meaning in our time. every time immigrants are labeled as them but over time they become part of us. we, the people. about 11 million undocumented immigrants live, work, pay taxes and raise their families in the united states of america. a lot of their families include u.s. citizens just like me. but, listen, no matter what your family tree looks like, a fair immigration system is better for all of america. no matter what others say, it is simply a fantasy that we're going to round up and deport 11 million people.
it's a sick, hateful fantasy. but let me tell you what gives me hope. in her heart, hillary clinton's dream for america is one where immigrants are allowed to come out of the shadows, get right with the law, pay their taxes and not feel fear that their families are going to be ripped apart. when hillary clinton steps to this podium to accept the nomination, we'll all take a giant step forward. the broad and diverse america that fights for an inclusive and fair nation, our union of black and brown, white and african and asian people, who love the earth and know that climate change is real and value education, we will all step up to that podium with her.
listen, we continue the work of our heroes like john lewis, chavez and dr. martin luther king. and matter martyrs like medgar evers, who allow me the ability to speak from this podium. we fight for equal rights we believe women deserve equal pay for equal work in this country. and we will not stand idly by because we believe that congress has to keep its hands off planned parenthood. we believe that people should be able to love who they love and marry who they want to marry in the united states of america.
and we believe that when you send your children to school or young people are having fun at a nightclub, or you walk a beat as a police officer or you walk down the street in your neighborhood in chicago, you shouldn't fear being shot. we will take on the nra with hillary as presidency of the united states. yes. we believe in a country where this son of uneducated parents born in puerto rico can speak to this nation on this podium in the city where the united states of america was born. [ speaking spanish ]
with hillary, our nation will be greater, better and stronger. [ speaking spanish ] [ crowd chanting in spanish ] [ inaudible ] first openly gay player in the nba, also his brother, john collins, now assistant coach with the golden state warriors but was also in the nba. >> thank you. i'm jaren colins. alongside my kind and brilliant wife, elsa, we have three children that are raised here in
america. i want my kids to know that anything is possible here. i want them to know that any more than any star athlete, the president of the united states is a role model to millions of children. when it comes to donald trump how do you tell your kids not to be a bully if their president is one? how do you tell your kids to respect their heritage? my wife is mexican-american, if their president disparages it? how do you tell your daughters they are empowered if their president reduces women to their physical appearance? my parents, my family and all the great coaches i've had in my life have taught me the importance of working hard, playing fair and, most importantly, the ability to lead and bring people together to accomplish great things. that sounds like hillary clinton
to me. and now, it is with great pride i introduce the first publicly gay athlete to play in any of the four major american sports leagues, my less handsome twin brother, jason collins. >> thank you, jarron. i'll get you back for that one later. my dream was to play in the nba and live my authentic life as a proud gay man at the same time. i was able to accomplish both of those goals because of the people who have supported me throughout my life. before i came out to the world on the cover of "sports illustrated" i came out privately to the clinton family. i have known their family for almost 20 years. i knew that they would accept me for who i was and that they
would help pave a path for others to do the same. i am forever grateful for their words of wisdom back then and tear unconditional support. they knew that my sexual orientation made no difference in my ability to play basketball. just as someone's gender makes no difference in his or her ability to lead our nation. hillary has defended the lgbt community for years, from co-sponsoring the matthew shepard hate crimes prevention act to helping pass the first-ever u.n. resolution on lgbt human rights, to making sure transgender individuals passports could reflect their true gender. as both an african-american and a member of the lgbt community,
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donald trump. and i think that is designed to push back on what happened last week in cleveland. so, i expect to hear some very, very tough speech notice 10:00 hour. >> we're hearing testimonials from people who have interacted with hillary clinton, are geared towards telling the american public, you can trust her. you can like her. these are two big problems she has. also, it's been quite anti-trump. and i think part of that is geared toward the sanders' people either here or watching, which is that this is a binary choice, as everybody likes to say. and donald trump is worse than hillary clinton. >> everybody likes to say that but gary johnson. >> who? >> politico did an analysis of the speakers, 15 of 69 speakers tonight are hispanic, according to politico. >> i was surprised at the hispanic speakers thus far,
particularly those who talk about the president's executive orders not being placed into law. didn't focus on the supreme court of the united states. that came down to a 4-4 deadlock, given the absence of justice scalia, his passing and mechlt rrick garvin not getting an interview let alone a look. >> nm ways the argument is what the democratic party stands for. elijah cummings in the previous hour talked about the push for voting rights, push for women's rights in a way to say to sanders' supporters that we're all in this party together. and i thought it's clever i think they'll do more anti-trump rhetoric. in presenting the people they presented so far, the little girl, karla ortiz, astrid silva and the colins' brothers. it's an implicit critique of trump and trump values and democratic party values.
>> look, what i saw last week, whenever you talked about immigration, it was almost a criminalization of that whole community. tonight you're seeing a humanization of that community. and that little girl had me crying up here. >> me, too. >> to hear that little girl, to see it through the eyes of a child that you have to be afraid that your mom and dad won't be there for you. i think that's an important contribution that they're making tonight and i'm proud of them for doing that. >> i'm wondering how it reads beyond a democratic audience. tweeting out tonight, tonight's message hillary clinton won't enforce any immigration laws at all? >> no. the message is what van is talking about. rather than dealenize -- only undocumented people we talk about at the republican convention were the very few who had committed crimes. and they tried to generallyize that as demigods will. and try to -- mexicans come here. they're rapists and murderers. some of them might be good people. democrats want to personalize
them, humanize them. so you see karla, astrid. you see people. it's really important to win the issue. no just to win the white house or bernie protesters. it's bigger than that, putting a human face on 11 million people who donald trump wants a deportation force to drive out of this country. and hillary is saying, no. the democrats are saying no. these are all american kids and their moms and dads. >> as a trump supporter, how do you see it? >> at the republican convention, they had an african-american man who lost his 17-year-old son, star student, who was headed for a good college and he wanted to be a sports agent when he grew up. and he has shot to death by an illegal immigrant from mexico. mr. shaw, needless to say, has a very different opinion about this. he loved his son. he is very angry about this. he feels no one paid any
attention to him and donald trump is. that right there is the difference. if i could add one other quick thing, in coming in here, i was stopped by a delegate from indiana, a sanders person, who is very angry. there's an undercurrent of this here. van would know better than i. she made it quite plain she is not happy. >> did you run your immigration argument by her? >> which reflects the truth? are more undocumented people more like this lovely little girl and her mom or like that murderer? the truth is on the side of the democrats here. >> mr. shaw doesn't feel that way. >> i have to jump in here. my father was an illegal immigrant, okay? he came here illegally because he wanted a better life for me and my brothers and sisters. this is a very human issue for me personally. and for you to say that one act of criminal activity by an immigrant sort of casts us all in the same -- >> it doesn't cast you all.
>> it does. that's how you're speaking about it. that's how donald trump has spoken about it. he has taken the humanity out of it. completely. >> this is a country of laws and rule. >> i agree. >> and other immigrants come into this country and they wait and they do their thing and eventually they get in. that's the only issue here. >> coming here illegally was the only law my father ever broke. and do you know why? >> why? >> it was that important for his children to be able to have a better life than he did. >> do you know there's a mexican newspaper in the last day that has written that they should have a wall on the southern border of mexico to keep immigrants from guatemala. >> do you know what that means? donald trump does not have a monopoly on bad ideas. but god bless him. i just want to say something that i think is important. there is a deeper patriotism at work here. i think that sometimes people -- if you're at home, you may feel -- >> i have to interrupt. this is a video by a -- produced by funny or die.
let's watch. >> i once jumped naked out of a car in a movie. >> and i'm former council of economic advisers and member of president obama's cabinet. >> are we on the trump train now? >> no, donald trump is a complete -- >> shhh, donald is talking. >> we used to have made in the usa. right? >> you made stuff right here. what? >> he didn't do that. >> what do you mean he didn't do that? >> there's all kind of trump stuff. hotels, suits, ties. furniture, glassware. look at this trump shirt. made in good old bangladesh. yeah. trump tie. made in pennsylvania. china? mexico? how about the trump cuff links? >> china. >> trump china? >> netherlands. >> holy melania!
>> i'm sorry. >> calm down. calm down. calm down for america. so, austin, if that is your real name, donald trump says he will bring back jobs to america when he, himself, made millions outsourcing his own donald trump stuff to be made everywhere else? >> a pretty astute observation, ken. >> i think we got everything we needed. that's awesome. when is he going to jump out of a truck naked. >> we're not having this conversation again. >> i told your people that. >> we are not doing that. >> i told your people that and you agreed. coming up right now is former senator -- or senator -- u.s. senator for pennsylvania senator bob casey.
welcome to philadelphia, the place where american independence began and where our constitution was born. since the time of william penn, pennsylvania has been a commonwealth of creators, of makers, of builders who, every day, invent the future. my father, governor casey, believed that we must never forget that, quote, the sweat and blood of working men and women who built pennsylvania forged the industrial revolution in our country. and outproduced the world. with family roots in scranton and our many visits to the state over the years, hillary clinton understands this. she'll work every day to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top. but what about donald trump? donald trump says he stands for
workers and that he will put america first. but that's not how he has conducted himself in business. where are his, quote, tremendous trump products made? dress shirts, bangladesh. furniture, turkey. picture frames, india. wine glasses, slovenia. neck ties, china. china. why would donald trump make products in every corner of the world but not in altoona, erie or here in philadelphia? well -- well, this is what he said. quote, outsourcing is not always a terrible thing. wages in america, quote, are too high. and then he complained about companies moving jobs overseas because, quote, we don't make things anymore. really? tell that to the union workers at all clad in canonsburg, who
make the pots and pans in many of our kitchens. tell that to the employees of connects in hatfield who create toys that teach our children about engineering and architecture. tell that to the robotics students at carnegie melon, building 21st century robots and cars that drive themselves. donald trump hasn't made anything in his life except a buck on the backs of working people. if he is a champion of working people, i'm the starting center for the 76ers. the man who wants to make america great doesn't make anything in america. and it's insulting that he has no plan, no plan to support the men and women who are manufacturing products here at home. all he has are empty promises,
like so many he has made and failed to follow through on before. if you believe that outsourcing has been good for working people and has raised incomes for the middle class, then you should vote for donald trump. i'm voting for hillary clinton. she believes -- hillary believes we need an economy that works for everyone, not just donald trump and those at the top. we need to commit ourselves to making good-paying jobs here at home so that everyone who works hard can get ahead and stay there. that's why in her first hundred days in office, president hillary clinton will put forward the largest investment in good paying jobs since world war ii. as president she'll reward businesses that share profits with their employees. she'll slap a new exit tax on
companies that move overseas while rewarding companies that invest here at home. and she'll strengthen our economy by investing $10 billion in new advanced manufacturing jobs that can't be sent overseas. this november, we have a choice. can you choose a candidate who is only out for himself, who wants to get rid of the federal minimum wage, and who would cut taxes for the richest americans at the expense of the middle class. or you can choose hillary clinton, a leader with a proven track record of fighting for an economy that works for all of us. if you're with her, like i am, sign up and volunteer at hillaryclinton.com. thank you. >> still ahead, bernie sanders, michelle obama, elizabeth warren. more convention coverage after a short break.
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kirsten gillebrand of new york, who took over secretary clinton's seat when she became secretary of state, and senator frankin will be coming out as well. >> if i were a conservative sitting at home and watching this, you know, i think it doesn't always translate easily. i think that what we've got to be able to do is say, look, there's a deep patriotism here. if we talk about the statue of liberty, talk about give me your tired, give me your poor, the democrats are in that tradition. because we have not done well -- we now have a backlog of 11 million people. bringing them in is what americans do. also this idea of liberty and justice for all. you have people standing up, talking about lgbt rights that may seem new but it's basically saying liberty and justice for all. it was never liberty and justice for all except for the gay folks. it was never that. i think what you're seeing is an america some of us feel very
comfortable with beginning to speak to the country. >> and here is senator kristen gillebrand. some people know me as a united states senator from new york. but during school dropoff and pickup i'm better known as theo and henry's mom. like most working parents, my husband and i juggle a lot. we're fortunate to have flexibility. but some days we still barely keep it together. the vast majority of working parents have it much tougher.
they're struggling with too little time, too little money and too little support. and washington hasn't caught up to their reality. families today look almost nothing like they did a generation ago. eight and ten moms work outside the home. four in ten moms are the primary or sole breadwinners, and many are single. thanks to marriage equality, more children grow up with two moms or two dads. yet today, our policies are stuck in the mad men era. we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't guarantee workers paid family leave. many women can't even get a paid day off to give birth. most parents work outside the home, yet child care can cost as
much as college tuition. families rely on women's income but we still don't have equal pay for equal work. this makes no sense because we know that when families are strong, america is strong. hillary clinton gets it. not just because she's a working mom and charlotte and aidan's grandmother. but because for her it's about her core values. the idea we have, that we have a responsibility to one another. it's about who we are as a nation. it's why, after law school, she could have gone to a fancy law firm but she chose to work at the children's defense fund where she advocated for children with disabilities.
it's why, as america's first lady, she helped create a health insurance program for children so that 8 million kids could get the care they need. and it's why, as secretary of state, she helped women and children to escape violence and poverty, to attend schools, support their families and reinvest in their communities. and it's why, as president of the united states, she will bring our workplace policies out of the dark ages and always, always put families first. you see, hillary clinton's life -- hillary clinton's life's work has been defined by one question. how can we help those who need it the most?
donald trump has been defined how can i help myself the most. donald trump actually stood on a debate stage and said that wages are too high. hillary knows that in the richest country in the world, it is unacceptable that a mom with two kids working full-time still lives in poverty. donald trump says that when it comes to paid family leave, you have to be careful of it. hillary knows that it's long past time to have guaranteed paid family leave. donald trump thinks that women should just work harder because, and i'm quoting, you're going to make the same if you do as good of a job. every woman in america knows
that is not true. hillary believes women deserve equal pay for equal work. the choice in this election could not be clearer. if you believe in the values that have always made us great, if you believe in keeping america great, then support hillary clinton. thank you and god bless this great nation. >> please welcome united states senator al franken from minnesota. >> hi, everybody.
hi. save it for the end. i'm al franken. i'm al franken, minnesotan. senator and world renowned expert on right wing megalomania megalomaniacs. rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly and now donald trump. now, a little about my qualifications. i got my doctorate in megalomania studies from trump university. sure, i had to empty out my
401(k) and take a reverse mortgage on my house to pay tuition, but mr. trump or rather some people who said they once met him convinced me that it was worth it, and frankly, as a proud alum of trump u, i think we may be underestimating donald trump. sure, he's scammed a lot of people, but did you know that trump university's school of ripping people off is ranked second in the nation, right behind bernie madoff university. that is no mean feat. and trump university is about more than just belking people, although trust me, you will get
bilked. it's also about learning directly from success experts like scott baio, mike tyson, and of course, a life-sized cardboard cutout of mr. trump himself. now, of course, trump university wouldn't be trump university without its business school. their bankruptcy program in particular is known throughout the real estate investment community for its creativity. the most popular course, bankrupt scy 101, how to leave your partners holding the bag, is taught by the cardboard cutout itself. the pride of trump university of course is its library located on
a shelf in a closet on the third floor of trump tower. all of mr. trump's bestsellers are available for sale at a special rate for students which is 10% higher than the retail price. clearly, donald trump's enormous dare i say huge success as a businessman qualifies him to be president and if you believe that, i've got some delicious trump steaks to sell you. in all seriousness, i think rather than voting for someone who's never done anything for anyone other than himself, maybe we should go with a candidate who spent her entire life working to get important things done for the american people.
i've known hillary for almost a quarter century. i've never met anyone smarter, tougher or more ready to lead us forward. i am proud to call hillary clinton my friend and i can't wait to call her madam president. now, we're going to have a lot of fun this week. we're going to have a lot of fun this week but when we wake up friday morning, there will be
just 102 days left until the election, and what you, yes, all of you, what you do in those 102 days could determine who wins and i mean that literally. i won my first race for the senate by 312 votes. where's my minnesota delegation? there are people up there who contacted more than 312 people themselves and literally, i would not be here. the reason -- they are individually each of them the reason why i am giving this speech here and not into my bathroom mirror. my friends, my friend paul
wellstone -- my friend paul wellstone used to say the future belongs to those who are passionate and work hard. this week is about passion but starting friday morning, it's all about work, hard work. now, many of you have jobs. many of you have families. ignore them. let me tell you something. kids love it when their parents aren't home. they love it. let me tell you something else. an 8-year-old kid knows how to
use a microwave oven. let me tell you something else. an 8-year-old kid can teach a 4-year-old kid to use a microwave oven. it's just scientific fact. don't worry about your kids. they'll be fine. you have work to do. get on those phones, knock on those doors and tell them al franken sent you. thank you. >> senator al franken from the state of minnesota. i mean, each of these speakers has been trying to systematically cover a number of bases with what the democrat party feels are weaknesses in donald trump. >> sure. i must say also, we never hear al franken joke around anymore. this is the first time i have actually heard him be funny since he's joined the senate. he was great.
senator gillibrand was talking about working mothers. there are a lot of anti-trump attacks. they seem to be falling a little flat. i think what we are waiting for is elizabeth warren first because when she starts taking on trump, this audience in particular is going to respond to it. i don't know if you agree but it hasn't kind of caught on with this group yet. >> i do. i thought franken was very very good, but a lot of these arguments have been tested and they haven't done particularly well. but i expect that warren and bernie sanders will be much more frontal in their critique of trump's economics. how it might affect people. >> do you think it turns off some viewers who are watching at home, sort of the identity politics -- >> i think for many, last monday and tuesday night were too harsh and probably the democrats in watching what happened in cleveland wanted to dial that back. i'll say this. there has been a s