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good evening and welcome to the second cnn libertarian town hall. your chance to neat candidates behind the party that promises a different choice this november. >> in a tough talking campaign -- >> temperamentally unfit. >> he's talking moderation. >> how about a couple of guys in the middle? >> gary johnson and running mate bill weld, two former governors with a single philosophy. >> we are fiscally conservative, over the top. we're socially liberal. >> the question now, can a polarized country come behind that message and get behind these candidates? >> i wouldn't be doing this if there weren't the opportunity to win.
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>> but first they have to get the numbers to make the debates. >> we have to be at 15% in the polls. >> if they make it to the debate stage, twhaen? could they make it to the white house or play spoiler to either clinton or trump? >> it's your choice. >> your choice. your decision. your questions tonight. [ applause ] >> and welcome to all of you joining us in new york and across the country and around the world. we're being simulcast on cnn international, cnnespanol, and channel 116. this is our second libertarian town hall. in no small part because of the growing interest in a third party alternative.
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new postgame shows 12% support for gary johnson in a three-way race with us here tonight, some of those voters, republicans, democrats, independents, libertarians. they say they will not be voting for either donald trump or hillary clinton or they haven't made up their mind. they have questions. can the libertarians provide better answers than what the other parties have been giving so far? as always, the questions come mainly from the audience. we've looked them over to make sure they don't overlap. i'll ask a couple questions but mainly staying out of the way. joining us now, the nominee, gary johnson of new mexico and his running mate, william weld of massachusetts. thank you. >> thank you. >> so before we get to the audience questions, i want to start with a couple questions out of the headlines. we talked about this new poll. it shows you at 12%. that's only a three-way poll. the last one with jill stein
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showed you at 9%. that's the last time you were here. in our last cnn four-way poll still has you at 9%. what do you think you need gain momentum? what more do you need to do? >> well, this interview here will push us over 17, i'm sure. so thank you very much. really. >> but it was 9% before the last town hall. you're still there. i don't want to knock our ability to do that. >> it is ratcheting up. we're reaching 25 million people social media wise and raising money. and of course that gives us the ability to push that out. and so all the analytics look really good. >> there is been a number of high profile republicans who have said, they won't be voting for donald trump. you just had meg whitman, a republican donor, she is now saying she's supporting hillary clinton. you saw mike bloomberg, the independent, as a mayor of new york, speaking at the democratic convention. it has to be frustrating. for you, that bloomberg didn't
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look ought. what is your message to republicans out there watching tonight? >> well, two former republican governors that got reelected in heavily democrat states, i think that speaks volumes. i'm not really frustrated. i'm just understanding how difficult it is to cross over the line if you're an elected republican or if you've been a form elected republican. >> i think the message to republicans is that we were two of the most fiscally responsible, i.e., conservative governors in the united states when we served together back in the '90s. gary and i were good friends then and we're good friends now. we were each rated the fiscally most conservative governor in the united states. and that takes some doing. we are socially inclusive, tolerant, whatever word you want. we've been lead orders those issues. i was all by myself for a decade. >> early '90s, as i remember.
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'91, i think it was. >> yes. we stand for the opposition as i said at the republican convention in houston. we want the government out of your pocket book and out of your bedroom. the majority of americans think that. >> so is it just a question of pu publicity? >> the idea that we should not be at those debates expressing a majority point of view in the country can only be laid at the door of the two-party monopoly that has a strangle hold on power in washington. the rs and the ds that seem to exist mainly for the express purpose of killing each other. >> let's talk about the republicans a little more. there is huge divisions right now within the republican party. we've just seen yesterday, donald trump the, refusing to endorse paul ryan and john mccain. do you see this as an opportunity for you?
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>> really both sides. i just posed the question, if either trump or clinton are elected, that things will be more polarized than ever. neither slide get along with the other. and what if you elect a couple of former republican governors, two-term, reelected, running as libertarians. what if you elect them as president and vice president, calling out both sides? >> how can you bring together in washington? >> i think it might be refreshing to have a party that was not terribly partisan holding the white house. and we would higher the best people from the democratic party that we could find. the smartest people from the republican party that we could find. the best people of the libertarian party. and our proposals out of the white house would not say, take that, you stupid d party or you stupid r party. here's what we think. this is maybe in the middle. could we come together around this? and the recipients of that
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information would not feel attacked so they might be more likely to come to the table. they wouldn't feel like they were going to be made fools of. >> we're proposing something unique. we're planning to do this as a partnership. >> how does that work? >> well, not having separate staffs? not being divide but two heads for the price of one and that it would be a plus for the country. believe me. >> it helps that we've known each for 20 years and sort of chose each a long time ago to be friends and then again more recently. >> this guy was my role model, governor. i hold him up on a pedestal. having him on the ticket is beyond my wildest dreams. >> i want to hear about your vision of america. we've just come out of the two conventions where we heard very different visions of america. donald trump's vision of how things are right now and hillary clinton's as well. how do you see where america is
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at? >> i don't think life in america has ever been better. we get along better, we communicate better, our kids are smarter than ever. when you look at black lives matter, the discrimination that is existing, that it's had a existed. i think we're communicating better than ever before. we're going to come to grips with this. we do have issues. we need to address them. optimism. >> country is in a fine place and it is still envy of the world. people envy our rule of law and our economy and the way we conduct ourselves in general. there is an elephant in the room. the paralysis in washington as a result of the ferocious hatred of the two parties for each other. and i think it is getting in the way of effective policy being made. >> i don't know how you get over it. when you have conservatives who believe any form of compromise is compromising on principles.
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>> some people are that way. they probably won't be members of our coalition if they think they can't compromise on anything at all. we were red governors in blue states and we had to in order to balance the budget, which not everybody wanted to do. we had to reach across the aisle which people this washington have shown precious little appetite to do. ever since the 1994 election. >> when donald trump says make america great again, you believe america -- >> is great. never been better. that isn't to say we don't have issues but we should be dealing with those issues. >> governor johnson, you said that if you had to describe hillary clinton in one word, the word you would use was beholden. who is she beholden to? >> when you look at, really, it's just not coincidence, i don't think, that bill clinton and hillary both are making huge amounts of money with these speaking fees. i mean, there are others that look at this, anderson, i don't
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want to throw rocks at this, but really, it's a pay to play. >> so beholden to big money donors? behold grown wall street? >> their own interests that they're making money off this. they're making money off this as secretary of state bill goes out and does a million dollar speaking gig and then the next day, hillary signs an agreement with the sponsor of that speaking gig, and that's not good. that's beholden, if you want to say that. it smacks of pay to play and i think it goes beyond just smacks of pay to playful it is something out there. >> you've known hillary clinton a long time. i think you shared an office once long ago. do you agree with that assessment? is she beholden? >> i think the with what's coming out of the convention is
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the trillion dollar tax like with a t. it cost the proposed tax like at $1.1 trillion. gary and i both balanced the butt. cut the budget. i cut taxes 21 times. he cut taxes 14 times tuchbl employment picture greatly improved as a result of that. and that i think is the way to go. the democrats are going to have a very hard time avoiding increasing the $20 trillion national debt that we'll have when president obama leaves office. in fact, it looks like it will go in the other direction. >> when you were asked to describe donald trump in one word, the word you picked was huckster. is that still word you would use? >> yeah. i think he is a showman, a pied piper, the music man. more recently, it has gotten more serious and the noun that come to my mind is a screw loose. >> you really think so.
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>> i do. it is a temperamental question. and i see this almost with affection for donald trump. maybe he should consider some other line of work. like anything other than president of the united states. >> do you agree? that he has a screw loose? >> well, what we both like to talk about is, was there anything that hillary didn't promise in her speech the other night? and then with regard to donald trump, just starting off with immigration. we're a country of immigrants. we should be embracing immigration. we shouldn't be talking about restricting it. when he talks about killing the families of muslim terrorists. he talks about free trade but he says i'll force apple to make their ipads in the united states and we should have a 35% tav on imported goods. who pays for that? >> that's not a libertarian
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principle? >> not at all. i think unfairly, the world has connected crony capitalism and free trade. the thought is it is one and the same. in fact it is opposite. >> we're going to talk about this when we come back. when we come back, the libertarian town hall. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there. we'll find them in our subaru outback. (avo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. get zero percent on select subaru models during the subaru a lot to love event, now through august thirty-first. with fans clamoring for our next hit album, we return to our extravagant private studio,
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i we worked with pg&eof to save energy because wenie. wanted to help the school. they would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didn't cut off the light. the teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. so they would be like, here they come, turn off your lights! those three young ladies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california.
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welcome back to the presidential libertarian ticket. i would like you both to meet kimberly munley, she was one of the responding ofgsers at ft. hood. she was shot three times in exchange of gunfire. her femoral artery was severed. her knee was shattered. more than 120 pieces. she is currently the president of step up for soldiers, a nonprofit that helps disabled veterans in a post-war environment. she is an independent and undecided. >> thank you. my question is since the november 2009 attacks, there
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have been numerous attacks both state side and abroad. what is your view of islamic terrorism and how do you man on keeping our citizens safe and fight threat while downsizing our military force numbers? >> well, a couple of things. a recent poll came out among active military personnel which i thought was significant, who they favored to be president of the united states. johnson/weld was favored 31%. trump, 31 and clinton, 20. so hey, we are at war with terrorism. and we will do everything we can to protect the united states from that threat. but we're not going to support regime change, believing that our military interventions when it comes to regime change has led to the unintended consequence of making things worse, not better. >> what about the threat here at home?
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just today a d.c. transit police officer was charged with helping isis. do you have a plan for -- >> that's the lone wolf problem. the person, the copycat, taking cues from isis. i proposed 1,000 fbi agent task force, similar to task forces we had in the justice department when i was there under president reagan. we had one for organized crime called the organized crime strike forces. we took out the top three echelons of organized crime by concentrating all the knowledge in one place in tips and hotlines and you amass the evidence necessary to get either a search warrant or some form of surveillance to make the case to take out the network. and you know, the tragedy in the omar mateen case in orlando at the nightclub was that that man had been interrogated twice by the fbi. when they couldn't make an air tight case on him, they dropped his name from the list. so he disappeared from view.
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that would not have happened in the days when we were fighting organized crime or even the enron task forceful so that's something very specific could you do that has been done by the justice department. >> i've seen you talk about a 20% budget reduction across the board of the government woflt that include the fbi? and if it includes the military the question, how do you cut the military budget at the same time? >> the pentagon itself says that we can cut 20% of u.s. bases. that's the pentagon itself. >> that's bases inside the united states. >> it gets into politics. >> that also brings up the topic of term limits and if term limits existed, i think elected officials would do the right thing as opposed to whatever it takes to get reelected. a big contributing factor to why that's not happening. >> but traditionally libertarians are not about intervention in foreign lands. dealing with syria, dealing with isis. doesn't that require boots on
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the ground? >> what i was talking about was purely domestic. you say wouldn't that be expensive? yeah. but it is a top priority to get isis. so you do this for 1,000 fbi agents. does that cost money? yeah. but you do what you have to do. abroad, i think, it's a tougher fight. if it is an obvious isis training platform in south yemen and you have a complacent or willing local government, maybe drones is the way to take that out. if it is roaming around in afghanistan, much less appealing. if it is as gary is saying, regime change in lebanon, the people turn out to be aligned with isis, that's extremely unappealing. >> would you have gone after osama bin laden? >> yes. after seven months, we defeated
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al qaeda. we should have gotten out. we should have gotten out with the caveat that we'll come back if osama bin laden raises his head. and i think we should get out of afghanistan now and as difficult as that will be, the consequences being you could argue will be horrible. those same consequences will exist 20 years from now if that's when we decide to get out, or for some, forever. >> so even if the taliban comes back? >> well, the taliban is there and i think we're kidding ourselves if we think that hanging around forever -- >> the idea that the 8,400 troops have to stay there, that's too much. how long? forever? >> right now, eddie is leaning toward voting for secretary clinton. >> my question is do you think that civilians in the united states should be allowed to purchase and own semi-automatic weapons like ak-47s or ar 15s.
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>> right now that's a category of weapon that encompasses 30 million weapons. the semi-automatic. that's 30 million rifles. let's say we pass a law that outlawed semi-automatic rifles. i think you would have maybe half of those rifles turned in. the other half would be, 15 million of those would be owned by law abiding citizens that will now become criminals. there no automatic rifles currently allowed for sale. that went away decades ago. >> so no change in the sale of semi-automatics. ar 15s? >> it is a class of weapon of which 30 million, there are 30 million semi-automatic rifles. >> so no change. >> right.
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>> i want to bring in a registered independent. >> my question is the most frequent argument i come across when telling people about you is that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote or even worse, a helpful vote for either trump or hillary. so what is your response to the idea that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote or a help to one of the two candidates and why is a vote for you not a wasted vote? >> well, a wasted vote is voting for someone you don't believe in. if we continue to vote for the lesser of two evils, that's still evil. >> as gary likes to say, we have no problem with people casting a wasted vote. if we get in the debates, we'll win this whole thing. if you want to waste your vote on trump or clinton, be our guest. >> you both talked about your displeasure with the trump campaign. if at the end of the day, you pull away enough clinton votes to give presidency to donald
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trump, would that be okay with you? >> you know, at this point that is pure speculation. we believe in ourselves and our ticket and we believe in libertarian. >> i want to you meet lawyer from west chester county. she likes you. she's not sure if she'll make it to the polls in november. welcome. >> thank you both for being here. i would like to ask both of you, who has been the biggest inspiration for your views and how has this person influenced you? >> well. >> i've got a lot of role models. my role models are those that have been successful in business. i was really disillusioned when it came to politics. having never been in politics. i found out my supposed role models were not necessarily role models. they were individuals more concerned about getting reelected than not getting
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rehektd. so thomas jefferson, in the category of role models. here is someone who was genuinely humble in the office. and that's something that i also pledge. to bring an end to the imperial presidency. we'll be great stewards at the office but we're not getting elected king and dictator here. >> i was going to say thomas jefferson as well. because of the restraint with which he approached government. he said that government is best. which government is least? the sum of good government is to restrain men from injuring one another. and he was not somebody out to stake a big empire for himself. dwight contrary. i wrote a piece not long ago saying that gary johnson and bill weld are just a pair of classic 19th century jeffersonian liberty rales.
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>> this our next this person is currently undecided. >> thank you for having me here tonight. the next president will likely need appoint a few supreme court justices. could you elaborate on the type of judicial philosophy you would like to see in the next justice? >> well, that there wouldn't be a litmus test. you would look at a potential judge as looking at the constitution from the standpoint of original intent. so really, looking and following you this with the u.s. constitution. bill has some opinions on this as well. >> you're a former prosecutor. do you have a model? >> no. i don't have a model. i would look for the best legal minds could i find. and the whole person. two of my idols on the court were hugo black and w douglas.
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you wouldn't have thought they would be great justices when they got there. but they were broad gauge people who saw the whole picture and they dissented in an awful lot of cases and they said this shall not stand. this will not do. and a lot of their dissents have been borne out. >> is there someone on the current court? >> i would rather not pick current names out of the hat. i loved black and douglas and john marshall harlan, and frankfurter for different types of cases. >> our next question is from ellis jeter. he hasn't decided whether he's voting for you or secretary clinton. >> in my sophomore year of college, i was employed at the college when an anonymous person outed me to the administration and my employer. on the grounds of religious opposition to home over
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secretary walt, i was evicted. what do you believe the role of government is in regulating both religious freedom and civil liberties? >> well, that there be a balance. right now i fear that under the guise of religious liberty, that the lgbt community is being discriminated against. recently weighed in on utah's law which i thought was really a balance between religious freedom and lgbt rights. >> governor, what was it back in 1991, you were speaking out on this issue? >> well, i had worked a lot with the gay and lesbian community during the campaign. and one of my first executive orders, if not the first, was to confer visitation and bereavement rights upon gays and lesbians who were the partners of state workers. i did it by state order.
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you would have thought i detonated explosives. it was so far out there. then i said we had a rash of teenage sue sides in massachusetts from gays and lesbians in high school who had literally committed suicide because they were bullied and harassed so much because of their sexual orientation. i thought that was a problem. i pointed this to the leadership of a david fontaine. they had hearings around this and really aerated this issue. then i appointed a whole bunch of lesbian and gay judges. i think the first one was a woman. it was the first time a massachusetts governor had used the l word. i said, i'm so delighted to appoint so and so who is prominently identifies herself as a lesbian and she is going to give voice to that segment of the community. it was not very much. but i used to go to national
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governor's meetings and people would laugh and say don't you realize, the democrats were kind of friendly with me. they would say, don't you realize you should be all one thing or the other? that was a long time ago. it is getting to the issue we were talking about today. we don't think you have to be all one thing or the other. we think we're in the middle. >> on this whole issue of religious freedom, you made comment recently. you said the object is to say, i see religious freedom as a category of just being a black hole. what did you mean? >> well, just that what is currently taking place with regard to religious freedom is the ability to discriminate against what i believe are the lgbt community. and there can be a balance, i think, between two. but i don't want to support discrimination in any form. >> so should someone in a
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business who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, should they be allowed not to bake that cake? >> i think that is currently the law. that they have to do that. do they have to decorate the cake? no. they don't to have decorate the cake. but they have to sell the cake if it is for sale. >> to you, that's correct. >> to me, there should be no discrimination allowed. and i think that is the current law. that discrimination is not allowed. but i don't want to pass legislation that would allow for that kind of discrimination. >> we'll take a quick break. more audience questions when we come back. ♪ ♪
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welcome back. this is cnn's second libertarian town hall. we're here with gary johnson. i want to ask, you gave an interview to our colleague and you detailed an unorthodox path to victory. hoping to deprive trump and
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clinton of getting to 270 electoral votes to throw the election to the house of representatives. >> our pathway to victory is to actually win it outright. the idea is to poll torsion get into presidential debates. >> that's critical for you. >> absolutely. no chance of winning without being in the presidential debates. i based that too on last week. a projection the first presidential debate will garner more audience than the super bowl? you can't win the presidency if you're not in that game. so really our strategy is to win this thing outright and some extraordinary things have to happen. has there ever been a more extraordinary political year in our lives? >> yeah. you picked a pretty interesting time to enter. let's go to you. she is a republican but she is still undecided in this race. what's your question? >> thank you.
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this has been very little understanding of the differences between low to zero thc potency marijuana that has been associated with helping kids with seizures and helping adults with pain which is completely different from the high thc pot that has become the norm in colorado. and we know that you've, it is our understanding that you're supporting full blown nationwide marijuana commercialization. and like to know the specific steps that you'll take to ensure that our nation's youth read indicated on the risks of today's high potency pot. and i wanted to know if you'll be supportive of potency limits on all form of marijuana. >> you're talking about kids with seizures. i was talking to a researcher in washington state where a young haid, a 12-year-old having 300 epileptic seizures a week. she was given 40 milligrams and
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the seizures went from 300 to 30. then she was given whole plant, and the seizures went to 2. so that's something. what we need to do is deschedule it. there needs to be research and development on marijuana. and in no way are we supporting kids being able to use marijuana. in no way, shape or form. >> should there be limits on the potency? >> as i was just pointing out. because cbd doesn't contain any thc, legislatures around the country are embracing it because it is a dramatic improvement. 300 seizures to 30 seizures. but if you go to whole plant cbd which contains thc, the seizures may be eliminated completely. >> so governor, you're talking about the cbd oil which is completely different than thcthc
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is what is associated to be harmful for developing brains. and i am personally very sensitive myself own son had over 80 seizures a day. and i went through that same experience. and i totally understand the desperation of a family to find any cure. but that marijuana that you're talking about that is tied to charlotte's oil, what has been on the national media, is completely different than majority of the pot being sold in colorado today. and it has been very difficult and very confusing to educate on the harm of marijuana in our state because there is a perception that it is completely harmful. when we've got marijuana that is up to 95 thc concentration levels. which is unprecedented. >> in colorado there were hospital visits, traffic deaths, school suspensions.
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how would you deal with that? >> overall, all the statistics were pointing north. you may be opponenting to some aberrations within that. >> there was a north and west university. rising by 44% after maern was legalized in 2012 to 2014. >> i think so much research and development needs to take place that hasn't taken place. and that marijuana products deal with legal prescription drugs that kill 100,000 people a year and there are no documented deaths due to marijuana. and that should, that concern that you're expressing needs to be taken into account. >> there have been deaths in colorado and there is some really concerning data coming out. >> but you're saying more studies should be done. >> absolutely. yes. something that by descheduling
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marijuana as a which is a one narcotic can take place. >> matthew is here from new york city. he said he doesn't know who he'll vote to but he is leaning toward hillary clinton. >> you intend to eliminate common core standards as well as the department education. in doing so, what plan does your administration have to ensure all children in all 50 states are accessing high quality education, not just in those which have already adopted it first, i believe the department of education needs to be ehim natd. let's take new york as an example. new york sends washington 13 cents. it goes you this the wur democratic wash and dry cycle and it comes back 11 cents. how do you like that? you need to do a, b, c and d to get the other 11 pennies. i think if we gave education to
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the states, 50 laboratories of innovation and best practice, that we would genuinely have that innovation and best practice that other states would emulate. and we would have failure that everyone else would avoid. but one size fits all. it just doesn't work. >> in massachusetts we put in high stakes testing in grids 4, 8 and 10. we had to pass those tests. we did away from social promotion so you didn't graduate from high school when you had to check if to repeatial reading and math when you got to community college. and our test scores have been the highest in the nation. both english and mafr. in terms of quality, the quality became number one in the country. i've opposed common core in massachusetts. i think what we already have there is better. i think there's a lot that the
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government can do could make colleg education more affordable. a lot of it involves jobs and making sure apprenticeships such as in massachusetts, lowell had with raytheon, are available to students. many people can't afford to take a year or two off to pursue the bricks and mortar education. >> i think the four year bricks and mortar education is just, it may not be a do-do bird. we have to have more emphasis. not that everybody will go to the ivy league colleges and then there won't be any jobs. >> we have some breaking news. we've just confirm a knife attack in london which investigators believe to be a terror attack. one person is dead this. five others wounded. one of the injured appears to be an american.
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the suspect is in custody. earlier tonight you mentioned hoen wolf attacks in the use. how do you prevent these attacks? not jut at home but internationally. >> may be they will say, this is going to happen. look what happened in nice. this exists in this country every day. a crowd could be driven into by a vehicle. yes. a president of the united states, vice president of the united states, we need to be vigilant to prevent these things from happening but these things are going to happen. >> so is there a role for the president to play? >> absolutely. bill talked about his task force. that's a dynamic government. in the areas that we have. we can go and look at government
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and also identify things that just haven't worked forever and get rid of those things. but yes. we will be vigilant at the helm. >> for organized groups such as isis as perhaps unpredictable lone wolf. nothing is too good for those guys. you need signals, intelligence, bill casey, the former head of the cia was a champion of human intelligence on the ground. that involves infiltration by whatever means available. >> let's go back to our audience questions. i want to you meet her. she said she's heeng toward the green party candidate. what's your question? >> thank you. i'm a bernie supporter. and i'm disappointed about the prospect of voting for someone
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else. i've decided that i have to vote for someone that aligns with my values. how are you similar to bernie sanders and what would you say to win my vote? >> well, i think bernie and i are similar on about 75% of what's out this. that would be marriage equality, woman's right to choose, legalizing marijuana, let's stop with the military interventions, the crony capitalism is alive and well. from an economic standpoint. here's my hypothesis. i might be wrong. if bernie supporters are looking for income equality, i don't think that's something i can action pleasure. taking from peter to rob paul. if bernie sanders supporters are looking for opportunity. as governor of new mexico,
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having vetoed more legislation than all the others in the country combined. it wasn't about equal opportunity. it was about giving a continued upper hand to those who could pay for, knew and the ability to game the system, if you will. in politics, you can stand up against gaming the system. in politics you can stand up for equal opportunity. >> hillary clinton raised $90 million. how do you compete with numbers like that? i think your last one said you raised a total of $1.4 million since you announced. not last month. how do you compete? >> i've been in charge of the individual fundraising as opposed to the web base. >> i like it. i was pete wilson' national
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finance chair. >> what do you like about it? i can't manning. it has to be the most miserable thing. >> if you can't sell yourself, what can you sell? we should not be in this business if we can't sell ourselves. the distinct uptick, that's just me on the telephone. on a good day, i'll do the better part of a million dollars. on a day. and the fundraising has picked way up. when you get further down the election cycle, it is not like the old days where somebody had a 2-1 edge in their campaign account that we were going to win the election on that account. not with the amount of free publicity from the debates and the fact that campaigns can move 10 points in the polls based on something going viral. those things didn't exist. >> you have to be what? 15%? >> yes. >> critical that you move up. >> and moan is part of that.
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>> i think you will see a significant amount of phrasing. that speaks volumes to what we are generating on the am of money that we have. this 12% poll here by fox today. just now. wow! we do the same thing in office. providing the best bang for the buck. >> this is mohammed, he is chair of the republican liberty caucus at tampa bay. he is leaning toward voting for you both. what is your question? >> governors, thank you. >> i'm aship. an american. and i'm a veteran. i'm also a republican. and i fwheef government needs to abide by the constitution. i'm not going to vote for donald trump. and i'm not going on vote for hillary clinton. why are you a better choice for somebody like me?
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>> perhaps we do encompass the best of what republicans are supposed to be about. smaller government. perhaps we're really if at civil liberties. something that democrats haven't stood up for mandatory sentencing. we have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world. that we continue to militarily intervene. we both reject >> i thank you for your service, i listened to everything you said and i really, really want your vote. if i could just throw it out on the air, to me the real reason might be that we're decent
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people, we are both inclusive to the tips of our toes, great, big, open, loving, if you will, society and we know that this country has always been a melting pot. we know that's the strength, the sinu of this country, we want to keep it this way. >> governor, i've heard you use words that i don't think i've heard a politician say in a long time. at one point you said "i may be wrong," and just now you said identify perhaps we're there or perhaps -- you know, those are -- i haven't heard a politician sort of -- >> he's just an elegant guy, anderson. >> i know, but it's rare to hear someone say maybe i'm wrong but this is what i think. >> if you tell the truth, you are don't have to remember anything. that's been a credo of mine
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forever. in that vein if you tell the truth, how often is a mistake made because of a denial of a mistake and there's no quicker way to get after fixing certainly than first acknowledge it. >> i want to you meet, tammy, she was wounded in the shooting that killed five police officers, she's a democrat. she said she's still undecided. thank you being here tonight. what's your question? >> good evening. i was shot in the leg during the protest teaching my four sons about peaceful protesting and coming together in the african-american community and how we can show unity. as a white man in america, what is your -- how do you feel about the black lives matter movement? >> what it has done for me is that my head's been in the sand on this. that's what it's done for me, and that i think we've all had our heads in the sand. and let's wake up.
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this discrimination does exist, it has existed and for me personally, slap, slap, wake up. >> i think we have a national emergency in the number of male black youth who are unemployed without prospects. they're four times as likely to be incarcerated if they have intersection with law enforcement as white people are. their educational opportunities are not there. we have to get them in to education and just concentrate the power of the government, trying to make sure that there are jobs available for them. it's a national emergency and when there's a national emergency, the government has to respond. libertarian or no libertarian. >> we're going to take a quick break. we'll have questions from the audience when we come back. sure!
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zbary, what's your question? >> thank you, anderson. good evening, governors. the conclusion of fbi director comey that, no reasonable prosecutor would charge hillary clinton with a crime, what is your position on that? >> governor weld? >> i think you ask the right question. would a reasonable prosecutor bring this case? and my conclusion was there was insufficient evidence of criminal intent. under justice department rules, you're not supposed to indict a case unless you're persuaded that the admissible evidence is to on taken and sustain on appeal a conviction by an unbiased jury. i don't think that test was met in this case.
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is quite a -- >> last sunday secretary clinton gave an answer to chris wallace that fact checker said was not true. do you stand that 54% of registered voters find her untru untrustworthy? >> i have issues with her on all these issues. >> i do believe

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