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it has been quite a day, quite a week on the campaign trail and tomorrow should be no different. we'll bring you the latest tomorrow night. time now for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. >> happy birthday, mr. president. top of his game. president barack obama taking on donald trump again. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the president throwing some serious said at the republican candidate's claim that the election will be rigged. >> of course the election is not rigged. if mr. trump is up 10 or 15 points on election day and ends up losing, then maybe he can raise some questions. that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. >> president barack obama
addressing trump's claim as well as topics ranging from isis to iran at a news conference today. i want to bring in michelle kosinski, our senior political analyst david gergen and barbara starr. >> i don't really know where to start on answering this question. of course the elections will not be rigged. what does that mean? the federal government doesn't run the election process. states and cities and communities all across the country, they're the ones who set up the voting systems and the voting booths and if mr. trump is suggesting that there is a conspiracy theory that is being propagated across the
country including in places like texas where typically it's not democrats who are in charge of voting booths, that's ridiculous. that doesn't make any sense. i think all of us at some points in our lives have played sports or maybe just played in a schoolyard or a sand box and sometimes folks if they lose they start complaining that they got cheated but i've never heard of somebody complaining about being cheated before the game was over. or before the score is even tallied. so my suggestion would be, you know, go out there and try to win the election. if mr. trump is up 10 or 15 points on election day and ends up losing, then maybe he can raise some questions.
>> then he said that doesn't appear to be the case right now, an obvious swipe at the poll numbers. michelle, what did you make of the president's tone here today coming out of the meeting at the pentagon? >> i don't know that it fully carried over just looking at the president and in that one piece but at times his tone was mocking and ridiculing him, just a hint of that. that's a thing we have seen from the president recently in other cases but often it's before a very friendly crowd where the crowd is having a good time the president will make these joking kind of digs or these sort of snide remarks that are funny to the crowd. so it was interesting to see him do that in this setting. this was mainly about isis, following a meeting with the national security council. this is another time where the president seemed to relish delivering those digs to donald trump, though we got a hint he's not going to do this all the
time. he did refer back to two days ago where he pretty much let loose on donald trump more than we've heard before. and today he referred back to that and a few times said i made myself clear two days ago, i don't really need to comment further. so that's a question. how much more is he going to dig donald trump and republicans in general, as he has, down the road as we get closer to the election. >> and to barbara starr now. you had the opportunity to ask the president a couple of questions including whether trump could be trusted with the country's nuclear weapons. here's how the president responded. >> i've made this point already multiple times. just listen to what mr. trump has to said and make your own judgment with respect to how confident you feel about his ability to manage things like our nuclear triad.
>> but you've suggested you have an opinion. >> i have an opinion. one is confident and one is not so much. the person who is in the oval office and our secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff and our outstanding men and women in uniform report to. they are counting on somebody who has the temperament and good judgment to be able to make decisions to keep america safe. and that should be very much on the minds of voters when they go into the voting booth in november. >> he went in depth there but he didn't go as far as earlier in the week saying trump was unfit to be president. >> i think all the reporters in the room basically heard the same thing.
on the question nuclear weapons, the president's point that it's serious business, it just doesn't get more serious, there are a lot of concerns that you hear with defense and national security experts, does donald trump fully understand the gravity of nuclear weapons? he can explain that for herseim whether he understands it. but also that he could support other countries, especially near north korea getting nuclear weapons to defend themselves, potentially causing a lot of concern about a nuclear arms race. it isn't just so much as that finger on the button so to speak but the overall climate in the world. do both candidates fully understand the nuclear climate right now and the question of arms control and who has nuclear weapons and who the united states is trying to keep from
getting nuclear weapons or more nuclear weapons, that's north korea, that's down the road. >> david gergen, the president, it's his birthday. >> 54% at 55 years old. >> he seems pretty comfortable and pretty confident. why do you think his numbers are so high? >> he was mired in the mid 40s for a while and even the low 40s and a few months ago began to rise, got up to 45, 46, 48, 49. i think he got a bounce out of the democratic convention just as hillary clinton did but i think there's also something else going on. i think increasingly voters are looking at him with a certain amount of nostalgia. they see the alternatives, especially trump and they think we have a pretty good deal going now compared to what may be coming. i think that's helping him. it often happens for a two-term president that toward the end of your time in office, people
begin to miss you a little bit and i think that's higher in his case than we've seen. it's lifted him up and it's politically important. because to a significant degree, if you've been in for two terms, the person who runs after you like george h.w. bush did after reagan, reagan's high numbers pulled bush up. if he had low numbers, it would have pulled him down. i think that's going to be -- barack obama is reinforcing hillary's strength. he's giving her more strength. >> so he's going to help her. >> things could change but right now we've had a dramatic turn in this campaign over the last ten days. >> barbara, i want to get back to you. the president was asked about his decision to send a plane loaded with $400 million of cash to iran, which his opponents are calling a ransom payment. listen to this. >> it's been interesting to watch this story surface. some of you may recall we announced these payments in
january. many months ago. it want a secret. we announced them. brought all of you. josh did a briefing on them. this wasn't some nefarious deal. we have a policy that we don't pay ransom. and the notion that we would somehow start now in this high-profile r high-profile way and announce it to the world, even though we're looking at other hostage families whose loved ones are being held hostage and say to them that we don't pay ransom defies logic. the reason that we had to give them cash is precisely because we are so strict in maintaining sanctions and we do not have a banking relationship with iran that we couldn't send them a
check. and we could not wire the money. it is not at all clear to me why it is that cash as opposed to a check or a wire transfer has made this into a news story. >> barbara, prisoners released on the same day iran got their money. the timing does seem suspect. is there a real concern here? >> certainly republicans are making a case about all of this, concern that it's cash, concerned that that could help iran transfer that cash to terrorist groups like hezbollah, concern that the iranians now will think they could get money for hostages there are two other americans being held by iran. the white house is absolutely adamant that this has been in the works for some time. you're going to have your skeptics. probably one of those cases where people have their minds made up and not very likely to change what they think about it.
>> that's not stopping donald trump from saying he saw a video of the money exchanged but there is no video. no video has surfaced, right? >> apparently not. nobody has said they've seen this video except for donald trump. even after reports have debunked this video and apparently at one point somebody within his campaign agreed it was video of the prisoners being released in a different location, a different plane, but even a day later, donald trump still today was saying that have you seen that video with the cash and the plane? that seems to be his story and he's sticking to it. >> he's sticking to it. david gergen, help me out here. the timing does seem suspect. but is this believable? is it a coincidence sort of -- >> new york it's not a coincidence. look, i don't think it's that big a deal. the iranians have been
advertising to everybody in sight that it was ransom. they wanted the money before they were going to give up the prisoners. it obviously had -- the money eased the way. it looks like ransom to a lot of people in the world, but it's extremely important. they did announce it. the "new york times" had a piece back in mid january. david sanger, a big piece about this deal, this $400 million plus interest. and they didn't make any secret of that. >> he said while we were in there talking and negotiating other things, since the door was open, we got in as much as possible. >> but something else is really important. this was money they gave us to buy some military equipment. we never delivered it because it was the shah. so we sat with the $400 million. it's their money. what they're asking for is their money back plus interest. and we always intended to give it back. they wanted to take us to the hague and they thought they'd get a lot more money.
if you give somebody money that's their money, it's not quite ransom, right? that's fresh money. ransom -- i think it's not going to be a lasting issue. >> it's part of the deal. and some are seeing it as ran sam. let's talk about the new poll out. hillary clinton widening her lead, this is a new -- >> it's a respected poll, too. and the nbc wall street journal poll has hillary up by 9 points. what's your take on these numbers? >> i think the numbers are very dangerous for donald trump. a lot of people believe this will close as we get close to november. i think there's another way this can go. this a moment when people take a fresh look at the candidates, things start to crystallize and during that period of time things can harden up. there is every possibility this thing is going to widen even
more. the clinton forces are not saying, oh, wow, it's going to narrow down. they're trying to aggressively build the lead more. their pulling their ads in a state like virginia and putting them in another state they didn't think they could get. they're looking for a landslide. >> thank you all. thank you michelle, barbara, david. wait until you hear what zakaria calls trump. do the letters b.s. ring a bell? play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" playing) play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" restarts) play it again. (announcer vo) however you use your data, verizon has the best deal. now, get up to four free samsung galaxy phones, four lines, and 16 gigs for only $150. switch to verizon now for the best deal on america's best network. only on verizon.
president barack obama says donald trump is unfit to be commander in chief. he's calling on voters to listen and decide for themselves about trump's temperament and ju judgment. i want to bring in fareed zakaria. you quote an article in "the washington post." it's called "the unbearable stench of trump's b.s." strong language. why did you write it? >> i had to get through a few hurdles to get them to agree to do it. i was trying to think about what it is about trump that was so distinctive. i met putin, no, i didn't meet him. i watched this video. oh, maybe the video doesn't exist. his whole mode of operation is
really a b.s. artist. i talk about an essay by an eminent philosopher that said there's a difference between telling lies and b.s. with b.s. you don't tell what the truth is or lies are. it's like a performance. and trump is sort of surprised that people call him on it. but actually, you haven't met putin. he's like who cares. >> are you saying he doesn't know he's lying? >> i think he's convinced himself in a case like that, i'm a big shot, i went to russia, i could have met putin, it would have been -- the fact that it actually didn't happen is irrelevant. he constantly talks about his book "the art of the deal" as the biggest, best seller of all time. there is no category by which that statement is true. but in his view -- it sold a lot of books. >> you said liars and truth tellers are both acutely aware of the facts and truths but a
bull shit artist has lost all connection with reality, he pays no attention to the truth. a lot of people say trump is a flat out liar. do you disagree with that? what makes him a b.s. artist? >> because it's pathological, clearly. week after week, day after day, he's saying things contradicted by facts. look at the video he claims to have lost, which he alone in the world has seen, just like he alone in the world found that video of muslims in jersey city cheering, right? he keeps doing it almost day after day. >> let's listen. >> the tape was made, right? you saw that with the airplane coming in, nice plane. and the airplane coming in and the money coming off, i guess, right? that was given to us, has to be, by the iranians and you know why the tape was given to us? because they want to embarrass our country.
who would ever think that they would be taking all of this money off the plane and then providing us with a tape. >> as you said, by all accounts there is no such video. why does he keep talking about this video? is it that people won't believe him? >> i think he goes into these halls, these audiences, he's a salesman and he feeds off the energy that the crowd has and he starts riffing and he improvises and in that concontext, i think he's done it his whole life, whether he was selling a condo or membership to a golf course, this is his mode. that's what i mean, it's different from lying. lies, truth, facts are irrelevant. he's making up some grand story, which is all fine if you're selling memberships to a golf course. but when you're doing it with the presidency of the united states, when you're talking about nuclear security, when you're talking about deterrence, it is scary as hell because he literally is making it up as he
goes along. >> let me ask you this. so if what you say is true and i did something like night where he said something about something the press did and i showed the videotape of it and it showed that he was not telling the truth about it. so what is it about the american public that allows this to happen? because usually the worst thing for an individual is if someone lies to your face you're like, wow, how can i trust this person? you lied to my face. how is he getting away with this among a certain demographic? >> you know, it is the great puzzle of this election honestly. i think we all, you know, when we look back at it, we will wonder how did this happen, how did somebody who would just a series of falsehoods, fabrications, hyperbole get away with it, why was it the public didn't care? if you had taken one of these things, if george w. bush had talked about having watched a video of cash going off a plane
in iran and it turned out that the whole thing was wrong, that the plane wasn't in iran, there was no cash on it, it would have been the end of his candidacy. >> most people, not just -- >> as an example. >> as the president said the other day, this isn't something that's, you know, episodic, this is something that happens a lot. you and i have interviewed politicians. we know politicians embellish, they don't always tell the truth. this is something that's at a grander -- even exponential level. almost every week there's something that is not true coming from the candidate or from this campaign. >> that's why i say it's pathological. he can't stop himself. this is what he's done his whole life. if you raead the interview, the story of the author who wrote "the art of the deal," he says he doesn't really distinguish between truth and falsehood. he's just selling. when he's selling, that's the mode he's in.
that's what's scary about it. it's almost -- when richard nixon was telling a lie, he knew he was telling a lie. he was doing it intentionally, purposefully to fool you to trick you. with trump, you don't know what he's doing. >> fareed zakaria, thank you very much. is it panic among the chickens? why business chr why bill kristol says the republican party is in an absolute turmoil right now. (alert from the mom's phone.) everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait.
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republican leaders urging donald trump to get back on message now and to focus on hillary clinton's record. i want to talk about this with matt schlapp and bill kristol. gentlemen, thanks for coming in this evening. matt, it's been a rocky few days for the trump campaign. clinton now leads point by 9 points in michigan, 13 minutes to pennsylvania, 15 points in new hampshire. there's 96 days to go.
how does he turn this around? >> i'm a veteran of two presidential campaigns. you have times when you just have terrible weeks and i think it's fair to say donald trump has had a bad seven or so days. and at these moments people start to panic. you have to field all these phone calls with people saying oh, my god, oh, my god. i think it's fair to say every poll shows the same thing, which is the number one issue for the american voter is jobs and the economy followed closely by the fact that they're concerned about our national security with the rise of islam beiic tri iic and i think washington is broken. donald trump often leads in all three of those important issue areas. what he did over the course of the last seven days is he didn't talk about those three issues, he talked about extraneous issues. when you do that in politics, you send confusing messages to voters. if he gets back on the main message of the economy, fighting
terrorism, taking on a broken washington, explaining how hillary clinton is not equipped to fix any of those problems, i still think this is a race he can win. >> okay. bill, you're out with a new article for the weekly standard, panic among chickens. here's the message to your gop brethren. you say they should get no credit for whining to the press and cop planing to their peers. the only act they should get credit for is withdrawing their support for the candidate. if they were to do so as late in the day as we are, many things are still possible. after this week are you saying to your party i told you so? is that what's going on? >> no, because i still think there's hope. there's plenty of room a republican to win. there's plenty of criticism of his foreign policy compared to hillary clinton.
is the candidate i'm considering voting for capable, qualified, fit to be president? the voters are concluding correctly, unfortunately, that donald trump is not so qualified. they can dislike obama's economy and dislike clinton not telling the truth about the e-mails, they're not going to vote for donald trump and they're right not to vote for donald trump. the number one thing you have to think about when you go into the voting booth is this person i'm voting for qualified fit and fit to be president of the united states. that's what's so disappointing about a conservative republican like me. it's not winnable with donald trump. i'm reassuring, seeing the real donald trump, that's what we've been seeing for the last week. it's not like he's off message. donald trump is donald trump. >> the problem with what bill is saying is that we went all across this country and had primaries and caucuses and i'm a conservative like bill is a
conservative and conservatives dominate these -- the primary process on the republican side and they gave donald trump more votes than anybody -- anybody who has ever run for the republican nomination before. i have to have some humility over the fact that this is the choice that republicans made. >> they made a horrible mistake, matt. they made a horrible mistake. >> i think qualifications come down to very basic questions about the constitution and then after that we're having an ideological conversation about the dregs irection of the count. i don't know how could you do anything that helps hillary clinton get into that oval office. >> because donald trump is more dangerous. i'm not for hillary clinton, i hope we'll still see other candidates emerge. it would have been a lot less late two months ago if all these cowardly republicans hadn't decided i know better, i know better. >> if it's not too late, who?
>> it's a big country, lots of people can come forward and get on the ballot -- >> like who? do you have a name? >> i know of a couple people who are very seriously considering. i wish mitt romney would do it, i wish senior people would do it. >> we had mitt romney back in -- >> we had 17 and donald trump -- >> there's nothing flawed here. >> went all around the country with 17 candidates and donald trump beat them all, bill. why would we at the very end say this is some kind of a fluke that happened out of nowhere, we got to find someone new? it's a fundamental screw you to the voter if you do that. >> it's a fundamental mistake for the republican party, for a plurality of the republican party to nominate donald trump. people are seeing that now. it's a free country. people are entitled to run as oo
independents. why do the republican office holders do what they know is wrong but in public they felt they had to go along, had to bend the knee. paul ryan, a man i respect very much. why is he even pretending to support donald trump? he doesn't think donald trump should be president of the united states. >> this is paul ryan today. listen to this. >> none of these things are ever blanc checks. that goes with any situation in any kind of race, but right now i think it's important that the voters -- he won the delegates, he won the thing fair and square. it's just that simple. >> he's suggesting his endorsement is not concrete as well. >> he won the delegates, fine. he's the republican nominee. paul ryan is an individual, he's an american. he has to make a decision. am i comfortable, do i think it's the right thing in the country to support donald trump. i believe paul ryan in his heart believes donald trump should not be president -- >> he also knows hillary clinton should not be president. >> that's why we need a third
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hollywood tough guy clint eastwood never one to hold back his political views. he's weighing in on the race for the white house. you would surprised at what he's calling america this these. >> reporter: it may not be a full endorsement but we certainly know who clint eastwood wants in the white house. in an interview with "esquire" magazine, hollywood's tough guy takes a political tough line scolding, well, society. eastwood says trump is on to something because secretly everybody is getting tired of political correctness. kissing up. that's the kiss-ass generation we're in right now, everybody's walking on egg shells." the statements echo some pockets of present day voters and some trump supporters across the country calling for a simpler time. critics say they are just plain
racist. eastward said when he was growing up, you could say a lot more and not be called racist. that's why trump will get his vote in november, because the billionaire real estate mogul is the opposite of p.c. what trump is on to is he's just saying what's on his mind, eastwood said in the interview. michael haney spoke with brook baldwin. >> he must be practicing the clint squint. clint is a guy who calls it like it is. >> reporter: the actor notorious live talked to an empty chair during his 2012 convention speech. >> what do you mean shut up? >> he's not alone. john voight, scott baio stumped
for trump in cleveland. >> folks, our country is in a very bad spot. >> back to eastwood, he called both presidential candidates boring but favors trump over clinton because she's declared she's going to follow in obama's footsteps. >> i want to discuss this now with the op-ed columnist for the "new york times" and also with me is michael haney, director of editorials for "esquire" magazine. clint eastwood talks about political correctness, condemning the kiss ass generation we're in right now. >> you're seeing a micros cou
couldism -- microcosm generation. >> i'm blown away by all the euphemisms we're using. he said he calls it like it is, saying what's on his mind. in the interview he says some of the things i used to say and some of the things trump is saying, people say are not rayisray i -- racist, we didn't used to call it racist. that doesn't mean it wasn't. he says people should just get offer it. it's fascinating and supremely insulting when people who were never subjects of the bitterness and pain and subjugation of racism to tell people who were
you should just get over it. political correctness has become this blanket they throw over everything they want to say, they want to do -- >> when they want to make an excuse for it. >> they want to normalize it. it's not even just making an excuse for it. i want the inner most darkest things for me to be able to come out and be able to be normalized and people not to look at that and say that is necessarily a negative for me. >> you say you take into context his age, the times in hollywood. explains what you mean by that. >> clint's 86 years old, lives in hollywood and kissing ass is the currency of the realm, everyone in hollywood kisses ass except people with a tremendous amount of integrity, he being one, warren beatty, some people
have integrity, clint eastwood is one of them. i love the popping you guys are doing with this corn, overreading this kind of racist thing about it. i think it's dim witted and -- >> how is overrating -- how is it being overrated and racist. explain that. >> didn't someone just say that what clint was saying was racist? >> i want you to say how it's racist by pointing that out. >> okay, well, to the extent that all that is political correctness, clint eastwood kind of transcends political correctness as far as i'm concerned and i was working with him in san quentin prison, we were doing a movie and we had heavy guards around, a lot of guards and right before lunch they all took off and clint led
the crew and the cast through the yard. there were 800 prisoners in that yard. they were black, they were white, they were hispanic, asian, whatever god has ever made the visage of man was in that yard. it was utterly silent. that man walked into the middle of that crowd and everybody suddenly burst into applause and they were cheering him. why? because he's the masculine ideal. he's the guy who tells it like it is. >> so, graham, what does that have to do with the question -- >> the post colonial victim [ expletive ]. >> charles? >> you don't ask me toans that. i don't know what this man is talking about. these are clint's own words. these are his words. >> everyone's been rendered speechless. >> i don't even know what that
is. i let you talk and ramble on, whatever you were saying. now it's my turn. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. i do that all the time. clint said in his own words that the things that trump are saying now some people call racist and that clint says in his own words that when he said similar things when he was younger, it wasn't called racist. that's what he says. he says later in the piece that people should just get over it. those are his words. those are not mine. those are not the people at esquire's. clint eastwood said those words. >> i'm trying to figure out what does being masculine, overly masculine, what does that have to do with racism? what's the connection? i don't get it. >> i read that entire article on the subject of race it, didn't particularly enter in as a feature or fabric of it.
charles, how many black soldiers spent the winter with george washington at valley forge? >> i don't think you're the interviewer. i think don is. you want to say something, say it. otherwise don't ask me questions, because i'm not answering them. i don't know who you are, where you came from, what gives you the authority to ask me any questions. it's not going to happen. if you want to ask a question, ask it to don. he's the host of this show. if don wants to ask me a question, he can ask it directly to me. don't talk to me like that. >> what is your point? what are you trying to get to without asking questions? what's your point? >> are you talking to me now, don? >> yes, i am. >> okay. this whole subject of race and around the election, that's one issue. clint eastwood in the context of this article is quite something else. that was a feature of it that was a part of it certainly. but that wasn't the substance of
it. you know, why is it -- you know, i always judge people on would they have spent the winter with washington, anybody who is running for president. nobody lately has had that quality particularly. why is it that they had to ask trump about women at the top and not find out what the body of his knowledge was? how many black soldiers spent the winter with washington at valley forge? it's a perfectly legitimate question. the answer is 700. >> clinton brought up the subject of judge curial. to pred kate your opinion about the guy was born to mexican parents or something, he said a lot of dumb things. so have all of them. both sides. but everybody, the press and
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graham beckel is a conservative and he happens to be the brother of our very own bob beckel. it appears to me, michael, that charles blow is saying -- that graham is saying, he can say whatever he want and he should be applauded for saying it. and charles is saying just because he says it doesn't mean it's not racist, right. i think just because he says it doesn't mean it's not racist. it's like when i'm on the airplane and i'm in jeans and the little old lady asks me to get her food and i'm in first class. doesn't mean just because she's 80 or 70 years old, it's still kind of racist that she assumes i'm the flight attendant. and i think that's what's
happening with clint eastwood. >> i see the third rail coming right through you. >> look, i think clint, it's a guy who is speaking off the cuff. he's of a different generation and i think as i said, i think he's like a lot of guys right now in america, they're trying to sort of figure out what's happened to their america. but he also comes around at the end of the interview i wish people will all start knock it off -- i think he saying i'm bored by the left, bored by the right, we should all start working together. he's like from the generation i don't understand this, where's the common ground now. >> but is that an excuse of being -- one must be self-aware, regardless of the age you are. this is not pleasantville from the 50s. that era that he's talking about no longer exists, charles.
>> i believe -- you know, i'm a big believer in free speech, say whatever you want. i can take offense, i can choose not to patronize your movies, i can choose to write whatever i want as a rebuttal, i can choose to be upset about it. those are all my choices also under the umbrella of free speech. if people want to be able to say what they want and not have anybody object to it, respond to it in any way, that's just not the way free speech works in america. i think that what a lot of people are basically saying is i want to feel comfortable to say what i want without the retort. that's simply not the way it works. say it. i'm a big boy, i can take it, whatever you say. i will respond to it and i hope
you can take my response. >> graham, i'm give you the last word here. what would you like to say? >> i don't know. i'm not going to sit here and have clint eastwood's brilliant career underlined with some albeit subtle accusation of racism. it's not right. it's just not right. i understand it's a stock in trade but it's just not right. >> thank you graham, thank you, michael, thank you, charles. >> you're welcome. >> just ahead, new polls out show hillary clinton leading donald trump in key states. what's driving her surge and what does trump need to do it?
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