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new poll spelling trouble for donald trump in his battle with hillary clinton. the democratic candidate showing impressive gains in key battleground states over her republican rival and cnn's chief national correspondent is john king. he's at the magic wall, breaking down the numbers for us. >> two new national polls showing healthy clinton leads. midwest battleground, michigan, a place donald trump has said i'd like to compete, might need those electoral votes, a nine point clinton lead in this new poll in the state of michigan. one of the battlegrounds trending her way. pennsylvania, a state a lot of republicans thinking trump is going to have to win, look at that, an 11-point lead for
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hillary clinton in the state of pennsylvania. in the new franklin and marshall college poll. new hampshire, a smaller battleground state but those four votes can matter. 14-point lead for clinton in battleground new hampshire. three for three there. and the fourth one in donald trump's second home state as he likes to say, florida, a closer race here but a four-point clinton lead in florida. why is this happening? let's go behind the numbers a little bit. let's start in pennsylvania. pull these numbers out, take a look right here. one thing we've seen, post-convention, and this is pretty consistent, don, hillary clinton has largely consolidated the democratic party. she's getting the votes of nerl 8 in 10 democrats. donald trump still getting the votes of only 7 in 10 republicans so he has a problem in the republican party that's hurting him. let's set this over here for a minute. back to new hampshire. we see again, similar dynamic. more than 80% of democrats say they're for clinton, but only 61% of republicans say they're for trump.
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a problem in the republican family? a problem in the poll numbers. now, let's bring up the florida numbers as well, gets a little confusing here, but i'll show you why i have them all up in a minute. here's one of the reasons it's closer. hillary clinton does have problems with democrats, only 74%, 71% for trump there so a bit closer because she has some consolidating to do. but look at all these stalts. leads with independents in florida, leads big with independents in new hampshire, leads with independents in pennsylvania, that has been a big trend post-convention. how does this work, don? let's flip this over a little bit, and change maps here. just want to show you, we pick presidents state by state. if hillary clinton, based on what we already give her, holds michigan, which we have leaning blue and wins pennsylvania, wins florida and wins new hampshire, it's more than game over. that is why even though it's early, it's only august, you start looking at the national polls and then the state by state polls, donald trump is in a bit of a ditch and you know the first rule of holes. stop digging. don. >> john king, thank you very
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much. i want to bring in the editor in chief of think progress, cnn political contributor maria and andre bower, a trump supporter. good evening to all of you, andre, you first. tough news for donald trump in the battleground state. national polls, especially the mcklatchy poll which shows clinton with a 15-point lead, 48 for clinton, 33 for trump. is he in trouble? >> well, hillary's had a great week now. she's come out of the convention and she's kept moving forward. she's stayed on message, and done a great job of it. trump has gotten off message a little bit. he's got to get back on message and really needs to hammer home his ability over hers and to explain to the american people why he can create jobs in a better economic environment than they currently have. he also needs to continue to have this amazing fund-raising month that he's had. he needs to have another one so
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that he can have the troops out there in those battleground states to actually have a mechanism to get his folks to the polls, but he's got to hone back in on a message and right now, he's missed some great opportunities to really put it to hillary, that he hadn't capitalized on. >> maria, 96 days, still a long time in politics. >> it is. >> what does hillary clinton have to do to maintain this lead? >> well, i think, first of all, she's going to continue to do what she has been doing since she and tim kaine left philadelphia, which is to go around to battleground states, to all of the american communities who are really looking to hear what it is that a potential next president is going to do for them. they're talking about bringing back, continuing to bring back good paying jobs. they're talking about worker training. they're talking about education. they're talking to real people about real solutions. that's what she's got to
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continue to do and then also focus on that she is going to deal with these problems in a way that brings people together. she's got a great slogan, stronger together, it's something that we saw for four days at the philadelphia convention, which was a big contrast to what donald trump has been saying and, frankly, has been doing, and i think all she has to do is continue on that message and donald trump is going to continue his unraveling because, you know, andre and the republicans say he's got o get back on message, but the problem for them is that he is the message. and he can't help himself. >> jud, you say that there's a danger in democrats getting overly confident. why do you say that? >> well, i think it's easy to forget that it was only ten-days ago that there were national polls coming out with trump ahead two or three points. you know, today, we've seen polls with hillary ahead ten points, 15 points, but these elections can have -- there's a long time to go, 90 days is a
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long period of time, and there can be some more ups and downs, i think, particularly hillary is able to do better when the pressure's on or when she's feeling really motivated. we've seen her rise to the occasion. so, i think their complacency is really the enemy. >> let's talk about sticking to the message. i want to play a clip of donald trump today at his rally talking about the $400 million that the obama administration sent to iran. >> and you know it was interesting because a tape was made, right, you saw that with the airplane coming in, nice plane. and the airplane coming in, and the money coming off, i guess, right? that was given to us, has to be, by the iranians, and you know why the tape was given to us? because they want to embarrass our country. they want to embarrass our country. and they want to embarrass our president, because we have a president who's incompetent. they want to -- they want to
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embarrass -- they want to embarrass our president. i mean, who would ever think that they would be taking all of this money off the plane and then providing us with a tape? it's only for one reason. and it's very, very sad. >> so, andre, you know what the problem with that is, that there's -- there's no evidence that there's any tape. so, why, then, does he continue to claim that there is? >> well, i don't know that there's a tape or not. i haven't seen it, don. i would think if he makes that claim, surely he's got to tape to back it up, but again, i have no idea. >> there's no tape, and at one point, his campaign said he was talking about the soldiers getting off the plane once they had been released but right now, there's no evidence of any tape, he's been made aware of that and he continues to make that claim. why would he do that? >> i would rather him -- if i were him i'd be pointing out the fact that hillary clinton had warren buffett next to her
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saying she was going to raise taxes on the middle class. i would be hammering home stuff like that. i wouldn't even be talking about a tape, but i'm not the candidate. >> okay. >> hey, don, can i just -- >> hang on. but you're a surrogate who speaks -- you guys, do you talk to the campaign? >> he's not listening to me. >> are his people listening to you? >> he should. >> when you call them or e-mail? do you guys talk to each other? >> we still send carrier pigeons and smoke signals, don. >> so that means no. anyway, let's move on. maria, go ahead, what were you going to say? >> i was going to say that i couldn't agree more with judd. i think the problem that democrats can run into is that because donald trump, every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, says such outrageous things that common sense americans, democrats, independents, and even right thinking republicans, say there's no way this man can be elected to our commander in
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chief, we don't want to fall into that complacency. complacency is exactly how he wins, and in addition to that, he has such a low bar of expectations, if he comes out one day and sticks to the teleprompter and doesn't insult anybody, people think he looks presidential. so, hillary needs to continue to focus on message and make -- >> let's talk about her message. >> this is a man who is kpleektly temperamentally unfit. >> in an interview with a denver te television station, hillary clinton said, as the fbi said, everything i have said publicly has been consistent and truthful with what i have told them. but the director comey has said that that is not true. so, why, then, does she continue to say that? >> well, i do wish that she would actually say exactly what he said, which -- this has been very clear in the hearings, and what he said is that there is absolutely no evidence to show
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that she misled the fbi or that she lied to the fbi, which is exactly what republicans have been hammering her for. >> but do you talk to the campaign, and do they explain to you why she keeps saying this, if it's not true? >> no, i have not talked to the campaign about that, but again, they have this, right? this is something that is known. this is on the record. this is something that comey said in front of congress, and it's something that they should use, because i do think that that is absolutely exonerating against what republicans are trying to hit her for. >> judd, what is going on here? >> it's an excellent question, don. i mean, this is a campaign unlike any other that we've seen. you know, to me, you know, i think, you know, this e-mail situation has been something that's been going on for pretty much the entire length of the campaign, maybe even before it began. i do think that, you know,
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hillary is trying to lean on the idea that she was exonerated by the fbi as far as any charges. but to me, it's a different level. she's not being quite as precise as she needs to be describing how they came to that decision. but it's a different level to completely invent something out of whole cloth, this idea that there's a video, that there's going to be a transfer of money that doesn't even exist, and to me, it's a pattern on multiple subjects. >> so, then, why do you say that? judd, why do you say that trump is not necessarily off message? what do you mean by that? >> i think this is his hej. i think the thing that's the most damaging has been his attacks on the khans, and, you know, that message, the problem with that is not only one, are you attacking a gold-star family, but the second thing is, it was bigoted towards muslims, you know, he talked about the wife not speaking and said that was because of her muslim faith,
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which wasn't true. he talked about mr. khan not -- opposing his policies because he didn't like the idea that he was trying to keep terrorism out. this is considered off message, but the reality is, bigotry towards muslims is the message of donald trump. i mean, he stood up on a stage in december before any votes were cast and said, we're going to have a total ban on all muslim immigration into the united states. so, unfortunately, i know that there's probably, you know, and andre seems like a smart guy, smart republican saying, hey, we need to get on to message, get on somebody that's going to do well. this is the message. >> to that point, his campaign manager, paul manafort, was on cbs this morning still claiming that the campaign is on track. but listen closely to the words he's using. >> if we're out there on our message, which we will be, the framework of this election favors donald trump. if we run the campaign that we are plan on running, we think we're going to win. we don't plan on winning in
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august. we plan on winning in november. >> so, andre, if we run the campaign that we plan on running, that's what he's saying, is he acknowledging that he can't control donald trump? >> i don't know what he means by that. you know, hopefully he means, well, we have the funding, do we have the ground troops, do we have the message, are we up on air competing. hillary's been up on air for months now with a great pounding message that didn't move a whole lot of numbers until this last week, which is a good thing for donald trump. the fact that he's been able to be dark, and she spent tens of millions of dollars, and they stayed neck and neck, week after week after week, shows that he has potential to still win this thing. >> okay. thank you very much. i appreciate it. coming up, new york city's top cop says donald trump scares him. i'm going to ask the commissioner why he feels that way when he joins me next. also ahead, a video profile of some of the supporters showing up at donald trump's rallies. some may find it a bit
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disturbing.
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a man who has one of the toughest, yet high profile jobs in the world is stepping aside. joining me now is william j. bratton, the commissioner of the new york police department. you have been in law enforcement for 45 years. you've led the forces in boston, los angeles, twice here in new york city, widely credited with reducing crime in new york city, reforming the police department all across the country.
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can you talk about the legacy that you leave behind? are you comfortable with the hands that you're leaving new york city police department in? >> i'm comfortable i'm leaving this city at a good time for me, personally and professionally. professionally, that -- the city crime situation, we just did a press conference today t mayor and i, crime continues to go down to historic low levels as it has for 25 years. the technology we brought into the department is nothing like it anywhere in american policing. the policies and procedures we've been putting into place, leading american policing also. so, it's a good time for me to go along to new opportunities and i'm looking forward to that. >> cities like baltimore, chicago, ferguson, there are many people who are -- they say they're more afraid of police than they are of criminals and police also fear that doing their jobs could also get them in trouble and, you know, at the worst case, killed. what do you do to restore the
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trust in the community? in those communities? what advice can you offer? >> that's a great question because how do we gain it where we never had it and how do we expand on it where we've always had it. part of it is the idea of seeing each other. i used that expression at the funeral of one of our officers who was murdered during the ferguson period of time. and the idea is to try to find common ground that we can get on and understand each other. in new york city, we have a major initiative that the mayor has supported and funded, the neighborhood policing initiative, one of the reasons my successor got the job is because he's putting that into place, he believes in it, and it is the idea of procedural justice, police legitimacy, understanding the issue of implicit bias. the new york city police department is probably further along in understanding all these issues, training for them, implementing them, than just about any other place in
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america, and part of reason why our crime continues to go down, why the disturbances we have have been much less than elsewhere in america. we're on a journey. we haven't arrived at a destination. we may never actually arrive at the destination, but we want to move forward and that's half the battle. you have to admit that you need to change. >> let's talk about terror because new york city, as you know, we had the biggest terror attacks ever, the 9/11 terror attack that we had to deal with here, isis now, we're dealing with isis, seeing attacks in cities like paris and now isis telling its followers to strike in cities in the u.s., the president saying today that isis is no longer trying for big 9/11-style attacks. it's saying smaller attacks. are you confident that new york city is prepared for those type of attacks? >> i certainly am. we came into office, myself and john miller, head of counterterrorism, in 2014 just as isis came on to the map. al qaeda was all about the big attack, they pulled off 9/11, wanted to pull it off again. isis, from its beginning, was
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really focused on using social media to inspire, to enable, in the sense of giving instructions through their social media, their magazine, or to direct, like the paris attacks were directed by them. they're now understanding that they can really, through social media, inspire people to take an ax, take a car, take a gun, and they've found great results from that, and that's what's most fa fearsome about isis, their ability toin spire. it's a whole new world. fortunately, in new york, we have a large amount of resources to focus on it. no american city has as much as we do and we need as much as we do because we remain the number one terrorist target in the world. >> you have seen a lot of politicians come and go and in this job -- a lot of commissioners as well. but i have to talk to you about the current state of politics and donald trump because he's in the city, if he was a commander in chief as police commissioner, you would have to deal with him. do you think he's qualified to be president? >> i have concerns about
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mr. trump. i've referenced those, that i worry about his lack of compassion, as evidenced by the issue around the gold-star parents. the failure to understand the importance of the purple heart. as a veteran, as a vietnam war veteran, i just don't understand the veteran support for him that -- and the reaction to receiving a purple heart and his comments about it. were just indicative to me of an individual who doesn't understand a lot of what's so important about being a leader, and in terms of being president of the united states, a lot of it is having compassion for fallen soldiers and their families. a lot of it is about understanding importance and the history of what certain medals are given for. so, the depth of his awareness and knowledge of the many issues that are important to be a leader in public life, and i've been one for -- public life now
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for over 40 years -- i'm very concerned that the skills, compassion, expertise necessary for that, particularly, and for the most important job in the world, i really am concerned that he does not possess those. >> i've heard you say he scares you. why? >> he scares me in the sense that the idea of -- as the representative of this country to the rest of the world, that the rest of the world right now seems to be afraid of him. and the idea that we certainly want to be feared by enemies, but we don't want to be feared by friends, and we start being feared by friends, then we've got problems, and right now, it's -- as evidenced by a lot of the news reports of other countries, and when i was in italy, my wife and i had the opportunity to vacation there earlier this year, they were all asking about, what is it with this mr. trump that is a -- there's a wariness and a fear of him in countries that we have been aligned with for years.
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so those are things we need to question as we go forward, that one man's opinion, not speaking as a police commissioner, but an american citizen, proud to be an american citizen, a citizen that went to war for this country, something he did not, again, the election's coming, so people get a chance to voice their concerns and comments. i'm comfortable voicing mine. it's one of the great things about living in america. you get to express an opinion. >> that's right. commissioner, thank you. but don't go too far. we may need you. >> now i get to walk around this great city and ride the subways again, and i'm looking forward to my time in the private sector. >> thank you for your service, commissioner. up next, donald trump supporters at his rallies, what does the behavior of some of those supporters tell us about them and the candidate they're backing? oin? just checking my free credit score at credit karma. what the??? you're welcome. i just helped you dodge a bullet. but i was just checking my... shhh... don't you know that checking your credit score lowers it! just be cool.
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who are donald trump supporters? i want to talk about this with bruce, he is the executive director of the national diversity coalition for donald trump. er ka is a "new york times" video journalist and cnn political commentator and op ed
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columnist for the "new york times." i want to play some of this incredible video that you, erica, and some of your colleagues shot for the "new york times." let's listen. >> you know, the safest place in the world to be is at a trump rally. okay. so, you and two other journalists covered a number of rallies for donald trump over the year. why did you decide to tell a story, the inside the crowds, and what did you discover? >> well, one of the things that's interesting about what we did is that while you usually see these kinds of rallies from the point of view of a television viewer on your couch and you see sort of the perfect
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shot of the candidate talking, you rarely see the camera from the perspective of the people in the crowd who are at the rallies, who are feeling the energy of the rallies. so, we decided that we wanted to gather some material from inside the crowd. and you know, if you notice in the video, you never actually see one of these sort of standard pool shots of donald trump. you might see him, like, tiny in the far away of the back of the cell phone screen because that's how most people are experiencing the rallies. but then, what we actually found around us was obviously what ended up making the video. >> and as i explained to the viewer last night, because we ran the video last night and got an incredible response to it, is that these things are usually -- you know, you're in a -- you're corralled in a certain area. they're sort of orchestrated. >> especially at trump events. >> and they put you in a certain place to get certain shots but i thought it was very smart that you went out into the crowd. another clip and then we'll discuss.
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you told our producer that you were reviewing this footage and this moment stood out in particular, why? >> so, a lot of people have said, were you trying to show the most sensationalized parts and just cherry pick and i thought this scene was very important because this one shows you that this man wearing the t-shirt that says something i can not say on television was escorted out of the rally, so what he was wearing was not considered to be acceptable to be inside the rally. so, they did kick him out. when he got outside, he got fist bumps from people saying, thank you for not taking the shirt off and people were taking pictures with him and the energy of the people leaving the rally was that they were supporting him and what he had done and as he's going out, you can hear him say, i'm supporting my right to free speech and a lot of people were
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very excited that he did not take that shirt off. so it's not just this one guy was doing something sensational. >> the t-shirt said f islam, by the way. bruce, you support trump, you lead his national diversity coalition. when you see this video, what do you think? >> well, don, i have to be honest with you. i didn't know anything about it until today. and i did look at it briefly, and i just saw this, but i will tell you this, though. you know, donald trump has done hundreds of rallies all over the country, and if you take 20,000 to 30,000 people in these arenas, that's millions of people, and we've had not anyone get hurt, we've had some really good safe rallies. i will say this, though. it's quite disheartening to see that the "new york times" has nothing better else to do than go find some pictures and put some sub titles below some alleged people who said these things, which i didn't see it come out of their mouths, so i question the awe tuthenticity oe
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filming in general, don, based on what i see. >> okay. in the video, you can see donald trump at the rallies, in the video, and there are people -- >> and my colleagues were physically there. some of the stuff was sourced from social media to fill in parts of the story, but most of the stuff -- most of the stuff, including the -- if you don't believe the part about the man wearing the islam t-shirt, you can find four or five different cameras on that day that filmed that man, and my colleague was one of them. nick is a respected journalist. he filmed it. he just -- >> you can go to any rally and find anyone and the guy was down the street. so -- but by the gentleman being escorted. >> that was him being kicked out of the rally. >> that tells you the safety that mr. trump has for the security of his people who come to his rallies. now, i wonder if you went over to the democrat rallies where bernie and hillary and do the same thing, do you have that type of footage?
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>> actually, we -- >> in all fairness. >> we have reporters who are on their ump tooent election cycle, and they've -- we've been gathering -- i did a specific story a few months about about bernie sanders' crowds and we sent video out into the crowds to show what they were cheering for, and we did not find anything approaching anything like what we've -- even, you know, any -- any recent politician, ted cruz, mitt romney, hillary clinton, we've been to all those rallies, and we haven't found this kind of thing at any of those. >> how do you respond to that, bruce? >> well, everyone knows that there's no love lost with the "new york times" and the trump campaign. let's just make it very clear. >> i'm not sure that's what this is about. >> well, bruce, it's video -- >> it's totally about that. >> let me let charles get in here. charles, are we supposed to not believe our own eyes? i don't even know what we're supposed to believe. you have the video.
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you have -- there are multiple sources. >> sir, you hadsubtitles. >> don't even play. don't do it. >> you don't play. >> no, sir. don't do it. you have video proof of it. you have multiple sources that can corroborate video. i don't know what else -- and -- >> it's not there, charles. it doesn't exist. >> and of course, in fact, it is a dodge, right, because what it -- the fundamental question that should be being answered is, if you are attracting people who are like this, and respected reporters cannot find a similar sort of feeling, sentiment, discussion, chanting in other rallies, no matter if they're republican or democrat, then you have to ask yourself, so, what is it about this candidacy that attracts these particular kinds of people? like this is -- i never put it all on the candidate. i mean, i think that trump has fanned the flames here a bit. but you know, there are hateful
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people in the world, there are hateful people in america. they vote too. what you have to do is make sure that they are not at home or feel welcome under your tent. i don't think that he has sufficiently done that. >> there is -- there was a comparison made here last night, i didn't have time to really get to it, the people who were burning flags and what have you. but the great american way is demonstrating. people have been burning flags for a long time. that doesn't necessarily equate to racism or misogyny or home phobia or islam phobia that is apples and oranges. >> but when you're wearing a t-shirt, i don't know how more explicit that can be. >> and it's not just about -- this man felt this was a safe space where he could wear this t-shirt and people who are yelling these things, i'm just surprised -- look, it's no surprise that there is a lot of racism in this country and there are a lot of people who feel comfortable with their own racism. what shocked me was that they're in a public forum and they feel
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comfortable in a public place expressing these views, that to me is what was shocking. and yes, if you get a million people or 30,000 people into a room a hundred times, you're going to get some people who are going to be extreme. but the pattern and the repetitiveness of it, the four or five -- i can't remember how many cities we have scenes from in this video, it's a repetitive thing. it's a safe space. people feel comfortable expressing these views there. >> bruce, that is what the critics of some of donald trump's critics have said, is that heshds be more aware of his language, more aware of what denouncing things that go along with his rally. so, you know, if he really cares about minorities, and your the head of the coalition, shouldn't he be doing something to stop this type of behavior? >> well, if -- well, like i said, i didn't really watch the video, but i did watch it tonight, but if you notice, the gentleman that did have the shirt on, that was, you know, quite, you know, wasn't the best interest for the trump campaign, you notice he was escorted out. so, you got to remember now, we
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have hundreds of rallies all over the country, and we're talking about millions of people with no one getting hurt. it is the absolute, 100% concern for mr. trump, making sure that everyone that comes in these rallies are safe and no one gets hurt. now, people come in, say all types of things. i'm sure if you take the time and go do the democrat side, the hillary, and take some microphones and walk around and hear some of the things that come out from them and you can make a documentary on that. so, you know -- >> she said she did, bruce. >> i mean, we have. we've been -- >> i haven't seen it. >> because it's not there to see. >> because it doesn't exist, she's saying to you. >> well, yes, it does. but anyway, at the end of the day -- >> not in the same way. not in the same way. >> well, i disagree with that. >> charles, you wrote an op ed today. that was a -- charles is laughing because he's never been to a rally. >> actually, i have, first of all, and please don't talk -- don't answer questions.
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>> in your op ed today, you said that make america great again is, in fact, about the loss of white male privilege. explain that. >> well, see, there's only one category -- well, one major category of people who are flocking to trump. hillary's doing better, almost across the board, among all categories of people except one. and that is white males, particularly those with kind of lower levels of education. that is not the same as income. people kind of conflate the two. there are a lot of people who are, you know, don't have a college education but do very well in factories or whatever, union jobs or what have you. so, you know, i remember there was one estimate back in may that said that the average trump voter makes like $72,000 a year. but there's still anxiety in that group of people, and it's a tremendous amount of it. we measured it in polls with people saying they believe that racism is rising and not against ethnic minorities but against white people. we see that rising -- you know,
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kind of death certificates -- death statistics where people in that category are the only group of people in america where the number of death -- the death rate is rising rather than falling. there's something happening within that group, and i think that what is -- the reason that there's a majority of that particular group that is navigating to donald trump is that he is reflecting something about what they want and what they need, and i think it is about loss of privilege. it is about a loss of prestige. it is about a loss of a sense of safety. it is about a fear of multiculturalism. it is about a vision of america -- when he says make america great again, that is an inverse a way of saying that you have lost something. >> does it say make america white again? >> i don't know if it's saying that. but he never says -- he's been on the debate stage so many times, and i cannot find a place where someone has said, what date is that? what year is that?
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what period is that where you're saying you want to revert to? because the further you go back in time, the more people are disadvantaged over that time period. is it before the civil rights movement? is it the last eight years, four years, before the gay rights movement, before the women's rights movement? at what point is the again about? >> all right. we'll be right back with more of our conversation. don't go anywhere.
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we're back and we're talking about donald trump looking to expand his support among black voters. back with me now, bruce, erica, charles, and also the video that erica and two of her colleagues at the new yo"new york times" s. let's take a look at another clip from the "new york times." >> our president has divided this country so badly. he has a group out there just -- that's right.
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so, bruce, i want to take a look at a few figures here. i know it's really exasperating. so, bruce, before we look at the figures, how -- you're not attempting to rationalize this -- this video that we're seeing, are you? >> well, you know, don, once again, you know, it's not a question of rationalizing. it's just -- you see a bunch of folks and you hear some voices and you see some sub titles, and, you know, it's -- it's just crazy. i mean, it's just absolutely crazy. and just to piggyback or come back to charles about make america great again. make america great means that we are $19 trillion in debt. we have $1.6 trillion in student loans. we don't have any good trade deals that benefit the american
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people. we got other candidates saying they want to shut down coal mines and everything else. you know, that's what make america great again -- what's wrong with saying, let's make america great again? let's get out of these terrible deficits that we're in, charles? what's wrong with saying, make america great again, to come out of a deficit? >> i think a cha wwha charles i saying -- i think that you can say that america is a great country, yet we're not perfect and there have been times in recent history and past history where we had these same issues and some problems and people still thought america was a great country and what's going to move us forward is to continue to think it's a great country that we can move forward on. 80% of nonwhite voters plan to vote for clinton and only 12% for trump. can trump overcome these numbers? >> we, absolutely. absolutely. absolutely. don, we are -- we are 97 days away. >> how so? >> -- from victory.
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look at our primary. 15 million votes. the record in the history of the united states. this is just the beginning of, like i said, i use this word before, a tsunami of votes that's going to come out and american people are tired, don. we're still pivoting over and getting ready to go into the general. there's a lot of information that hasn't come out yet that relates to the other side, as you might say. that the american people are going to wake up and understand that, are they better off now than they were back then? they're going to come to reality. this isn't going to go on so long like this. >> okay, bruce. you know, donald trump's campaign, charles, is launching a black outreach effort in part by appealing to black churches. can he regain, do you think, enough black support to make a difference in 96 days? . >> where's he starting? i've seen some polls that show him at zero, some that show him at 1%, none that show him out of single digits, so i don't know what number he's shooting for,
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but at this point, it seems abysmal and those numbers are v not moved in months, so i don't know, you know, what kind of magic fairy dust they're going to sprinkle on this situation, or what they can say in a black church. he had some, you know, at least one black pastor on at the convention, that was at the convention in cleveland, who was very powerful and very articulate. i don't know if there are enough of those particular pastors who are going to vouch for him and that's going to move the needle for them. >> i've got to go but i want to give erica a chance to speak. you know, he could probably make the rallies more welcoming to people of color. that would help. but how did black and latinos voters react, minority voters react to these rallies? >> how did they react to the rallies? >> to what you shot at the rallies and what was going on. >> i got an e-mail from a colleague today that -- it brought me to tears. she said something to the effect
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of, she's african-american, and she said, i knew there were people in this country who hate me because i'm black. i didn't realize that it was so strong or i had forgotten about it. >> thank you. thank you, charles, thank you, bruce, i appreciate it. coming up, remember in marco rubio accused donald trump of having small hands? well, the evidence is in. >> they're not small, are they? i've always had people say, donald, you have the most beautiful hands. right? with kindness" playing) play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" playing) play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" playing) play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" restarts) play it again. (announcer vo) however you use your data, verizon has the best deal. now, get up to four free samsung galaxy phones, four lines, and 16 gigs for only $150. switch to verizon now for the best deal on america's best network. only on verizon.
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donald trump likes everything big, his crowds, his buildings, his brand, but what about his hands? here's cnn's jeannie moss. >> remember when donald trump would ask -- >> look at those hands. are they small hands? they're not small, are they? >> yes. and here's the proof. a bronze cast of the donald's right hand that's been hiding in plain sight inside the wax museum in new york city, but before we get to the stats, a quick recap. you'll recall trump had a nickname for rubio. >> i call him little marco. >> and then rubio counterattacked. >> have you seen his hands? they're like this.
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and you know what they say about men with small hands. you can't trust them. >> the mockery led the donald to bring out the big gun. >> he referred to my hands, if they're small, something else must be small. i guarantee you, there's no problem. i guarantee it. >> well, at least now we can guarantee the size of the donald's hands. the hollywood reporter found the bronze one just steps away from andy warhol at madame tusseuad's. it was cast while making a version of young trump which has since been removed because it's outdated. but the hand remains begging for comparison. this guy's was bigger. >> how old are you? >> i'm 13. >> the hollywood reporter measured the hand at 7 1/4 inches. the average american male is usually cited at 7.44 inches. the hollywood reporter even made a pdf copy of the candidate's
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hand for people to print out, entitled, do you measure up to trump. >> i'm a large, he's a medium. >> most men were bigger. as for the women. >> your hands are the same size. >> but my brain is much better. >> reporter: now that the size is definitive, can we all stop pointing fingers at the donald's hands? >> is that because your little fingers can't reach all the letters on the key pad. >> reporter: cnn new york. >> that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'm don lemon, i'll see you right back here tomorrow night. we're on at 9:00 p.m. good night. . .
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