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good afternoon. we begin with breaking news from both sides of the race for president. she hasn't given a press conference in months, but moments ago, hillary clinton taking questions from reporters about donald trump, her trust problems, and the economy. but it is the answer on her controversial e-mail server that
is making headlines right now. this week she claim twice in a couple of different interviews that the fbi declared her public remarks on this scandal were "truthful." the problem is, they weren't. according to the fbi director. now clinton said all the classified information stored on her system were retroactively classified. that's what she told the public. but bureau director james comey says some were not. clinton's admission today, she short-circuited her answers. listen. >> that what i told the fbi, which he said was truthful, is consistent with what i have said publicly. so i may have short-circuited, and for that i will try to clarify because i think chris wallace and i were probably talking past each other because, of course, he could only talk to what i had told the fbi, and i appreciated that. now i have acknowledged repeatedly that using two e-mail
accounts was a mistake. and i take responsibility for that. but i do think having him say that my answers to the fbi were truthful, and then i should quickly add what i said was consistent with what i had said publicly. and that's really sort of in my view trying to tie both ends together. >> joining me now, cnn politics reporter, m.j. lee. we just heard a clip of that long press conference she just held. what else did hillary clinton say about these e-mails? >> reporter: well, as you heard, she did acknowledge that she short-circuited her answers. but she basically did sort of stand by some of the misleading statements that she has recently made about director comey's statements about her public statements about the e-mail server issue. this was at a gathering of black and hispanic journalists. clinton was behind the stage
just a couple of minutes ago and she was essentially asked, were you sort of saying misleading things about fbi director james comey's statements about your statements about the private e-mail server. and she said that essentially she stands by what she said. she said that director comey had said that "my answers in the fbi interviews were truthful, and that that really is the bottom line." something else that she said was that she never sent or received classified information. this is inconsistent with what comey has said in his testimony. obviously this is an issue that has really dogged her presidential campaign, especially as she has tried to deal with the perception that perhaps she can't be trusted or that she isn't honest. as she continues to raise questions and as the media continues to point out that she's saying things that are sort of misleading. i think she certainly runs the risk that these issues for her continue to remain in the
headlines. >> all right. m.j. lee, we appreciate the update on that. our panel now, jackie kucinich, washington bureau chief for the daily beast. also joseph borelli, a trump supporter and republican commentator. and chris kofinis. jackie, what did you make of her answer? >> hillary clinton was that answer. it is legalese, tripping down on an answer that we know isn't accurate. she's sticking to her story, but it is generating headlines because it's not getting rid of the issue which is kind of what the goal should be, right? to move on from this. she's not allowing us to because she's not giving us a good answer. >> chris, what's your reaction? >> well, my perspective is focus on things that are more to your advantage, which is the litany
of mistakes and misstatements that trump has made. >> but wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. because you do need to respond to what we just heard from hillary clinton and the fact that she this week has said some statements about her truthfulness about her e-mail system. and the fact of the matter is she implied in earlier interviews that she had been complete truthful with the public and honest about whether or not she had classified information on her e-mail server and was exchanged with other people through her e-mails, through private e-mails. yet we found out from the fbi, who testified before congress under oath, that she did indeed have classified information that was sent or received by her on her private server. >> yeah, i get all that. i get all that. my only point and my advice to her would be you admit that you made a mistake, as she has said, and move forward. i mean trying to rehash -- doesn't matter which candidate is dealing with any kind of an issue like this, whether it is
trump dealing with his crises or hillary trying to answer the e-mail question, when you try and explain the process of what happened, what you said, you end up losing the discussion because it ends up becoming this kind of a debate. what you do -- this is my counsel, my advice is, you admit she has made a mistake, which she has, and focus on you are you a he not going to do this again. it is a simple answer. i don't explain why she kind of wants to get into the nitty-gritty of it, but she sees it in terms of her perspective in terms of what happened versus others. it is just not -- it is not worth it politically or otherwise to keep kind of rehashing it because here we are talking about this instead of talking about a litany of trumpian mistakes that we've seen over the last week or two. >> do you feel like she has done enough, chris, to make it at least seem like she's trying not to mislead the public? because i think some critics would listen to her answer and say, in a frustrated response,
would say she's not admitting to saying anything that was wrong in the past. she's doubling down on what she said in the past instead. >> i can't -- i didn't hear what the question was in terms of how she was asked. but again, it is one of those things where i've been in a situation where some candidates get asked a question and they answer the question not realizing how the answer is going to be then interpreted by the media and the public. on something like this, that has essentially been settled, she was exonerated. so moving forward all you have to do is, as she has said, i've made a mistake, i'm mfocusing o making sure it never happens again and regaining the trust of the american people. it hasn't to do with more details or having to explain whether it happened or not. even when you do, even if it is correct, what happens is the media just spins it up into this, to here we are discussing
it. it is not going to win you a vote. it is not going to get you a vote. at this point in the election with 90-plus days out, you focus on the issues that matter and focus on issues that will win voters over. this is not one of them, one way or the other. people who have krit tecritiquer on e mailings ha-mails have alr how they are going to vote. it doesn't help to rehash it. >> this was hillary clinton at a press conference moments ago. >> how would you lead a nation where a majority of americans mistrust you? >> it doesn't make me feel good when people say those things. i recognize that i have work to do. but when i started running for the senate in new york, a lot of the same things were said. i ran a really hard campaign against barack obama as i think everybody remembers. it got a little contentious from time to time. and to my surprise, he turns around, asks me to be secretary of state because he trusted me. >> what's your reaction to what
we just heard? >> trustworthiness is clearly her biggest issue. i think one thing we learned is that she's actually learned that you can't lie to both the public and investigators like her husband did several years ago. also, this is not the first time. this is something that we see with hillary clinton. that there's one standard of truth for the public, then there's one standard of truth for investigators or whomever else. with benghazi, it was one standard of truth, one for the families of the benghazi victims, another standard of truth for her families. her whole life. she lied about being under sniper fire. i don't think north korea could say could distance herself from this reputation but it sure as heck wasn't that. it sure as heck isn't doubling down on the fact that she's essentially lied to the public. >> chris, your response. >> here's the thing. trust isn't something that's given, it's earned. if you look at for example the last many weeks of this election, trust is something that trump has lost every time
he opens his mouth. you have just seen this just in the last few days with this inability to understand that a plane was not recording somehow and money drop in iran. putting that aside, if you look in terms of her positions on the issues and the number of republicans, national security professionals, foreign policy professionals that are backing her versus donald trump. listen, it is going to be difficult election because voters have justifiable questions and concerns about both candidates. but when you look at in terms of her positions and her policies and her vision for the country, and contrast that with donald trump and who is supporting her and the number of republicans and number of serious experts on policy that are backing her and advising her versus donald trump? i mean it becomes pretty clear to me who has the substance to lead this country forward. i am not surprised what trump surrogates are going to critique hillary clinton by.
but at the end of the day when you look in terms of her positions, it is a pretty contrast about who is able to lead and who is not. it's pretty clear that that's hillary clinton. >> wait a minute, i want to just move on because we have more breaking news. >> no one trusts either of these candidates. that's the bottom line. no one has the market cornered there. >> i'm glad you pointed that out. other breaking news that we are following at this hour on the other side of this whole race for presidency, there's been a lot of drama this week between paul ryan, donald trump, donald trump saying he wasn't quite there yet for endorsing paul ryan. turns out he's supposed to endorse him today in wisconsin. we know trump is holding an event there in a matter of a couple of hours. jackie, this question for you. now we know donald trump is coming out to say he supports paul ryan. could this get any stranger in terms of the dynamics this week? >> it is even stranger because paul ryan just sent out a fund-raising request that said -- i can't remember the exact terminology but it basically said this could be
taken away. this is like a blank check. >> is the damage done already this week? >> there is no trust here between paul ryan, donald trump or just the republican establishment and donald trump at this point because they don't know what he is going to do. yeah, it is a little bit too little, too late at this point. but, yeah, there is a lot of damage there. i don't know what they can do to undo it at this point. >> i don't think it is too little, too late because this is a powerful image -- one of his chief criticisms was that he can't line up the support of some of these republicans. tonight you'll presumably see both men on the stage talking about how they'll unite against hillary clinton. to your point also, dnc on may 3rd sent out a similar e-mail saying if donald trump wins you should fund-raise for us. on july 19th they also sent out another e-mail. i think these are very common things in congressional fund-raisers. >> why is donald trump all of a sudden now saying, okay, i'll endorse him? was it because he is now caving
to pressure from others about party unity? >> no. i think there is a desire on this part to have a united party behind him as the nominee as there is a desire from paul ryan. the two men may have personal differences. . i don't speak for either of them on a personal level at all, but it is good to see two people who need to come together actually come together. paul ryan is going to win tremendously next week. i think all the polling shows he's doing well. i think the two will go forward and go on to be great leaders and speaker of the house. >> we've got to leave it there. we appreciate all your thoughts. thank you all for joining us. up next, the former chief of the cia says he is voting for clinton, that donald trump is a national security risk. why he says trump is russia's "unwitting agent." plus, breaking news out of chicago at this hour. police just released this disturbing new video of officers chasing an unarmed black man before shooting him.
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newsroom" a former director of the cia says donald trump would actually pose a threat to national security. today mike morrell wrote a "new york times" op-ed saying not only that the nation would be much safer with hillary clinton as president, but that trump's character traits "exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief." trump's running mate, mike pence, hit back. >> i suppose this is the same cia that told the president that isis was the jv team. i mean, come on, savannah. these people are playing politics and i get all of that. >> let me turn to former cia operative bob baer, also cnn's intelligence and security analyst. bob, mike morrell started his piece saying he has never spoken out on politics before in his 33 years at the cia. how unusual is it for anyone in the cia to comment on a presidential election? >> ana, i have never seen this
before, frankly. mike morrell is a professional. he worked his way up the ranks in the cia. he's very serious man. looks at evidence. this guy is not a politician, he's not running for office. for him to come out and write that trump is an unwitting asset of russia is just amazing. i've seen nothing like it ever. >> in addition, he says he has voted for both republicans and democrats in the past. we know he served in an intelligence capacity under george w. bush. he was the acting cia director for some time under president obama between 2010 and 2013. let me read you some more about what he writes about trump saying he has already damaged national security. here's another quote. "mr. putin played upon mr. trump's vulnerabilities by complimenting him. he responded just as mr. putin had calculated. in the intelligence business, we would say that mr. putin had recruited mr. trump as an unwitting agent of the russian federation." whoa. those are powerful statements. an unwitting agent.
do you agree with this? >> well, look. first of all, putin is not the friend of the united states. supporting him in any way for an american candidate for the presidency is just -- it's unimaginable. really. because, look, putin has invaded georgia, the crimea, he's been assassinating people. he is not our friend. so for a presidential candidate to go along with putin's propaganda -- who, by the way, is a professional kgb officer, and has never stopped being one, this is huge. it really, really is huge. i just can't imagine where it's going next. but if i were in trump's place, i'd stop talking about russia. >> well, president obama also causing some ripples this week through the news world, the fact that he has come out so strongly as president and spoken out against one of the presidential candidates. this is what he said yesterday, talking about democratic and republican nominees for president receiving intelligence
briefings. listen. >> if somebody's the nominee, the republican nominee for president, they need to get security briefings so that if they were to win, they are not starting from scratch in terms of being prepared for this office. they have been told these are classified briefings. and if they want to be president, they got to start acting like president. and that means being able to receive these briefings and not spread them around. >> there at the end the president seems to imply maybe trump can't keep secrets. is that fair? >> it's fair. i'm not sure he can either. and if i were in the cia, i would really water down those briefings and not let on to sources and methods or any unusual techniques of collecting intelligence. just wouldn't give it to him. it would be very, very sanitized. >> interesting. well, bob baer, we appreciate
your expertise and insight. thanks for weighing in. up next, chicago police releasing this body cam video today of an incident where an unarmed black man was shot by police. that man eventually died from his injuries. we have the video. we'll show you more of this up next. we have to warn you, it is disturbing. back after a quick break. they think that it's sad. i think it's important for everyone to know that there is so much more to memory support than the stigmas you hearabout.
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shot dead eight days ago after leading police through a chase on chicago's south side. officers tried to pull over o'neal pore drivingfor driving stolen vehicle. o'neal crashed head-in into a police car, then tried to flee on foot. that was just one of the multiple videos released just today. what you are about to see now is a timeline of the shooting beginning with the initial chase and i must warn you, some viewers might find this disturbing. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]
video. we just got a trove of video there. but there is a key piece of video missing, the body cam of the officer who fired the fatal shot. we never saw the video from his camera. we just see the other guys who are running toward the scene. we hear the shots. why don't we have that piece of video? >> reporter: well, police tell us that that body camera was either off, not turned on, or disabled. so the video that you saw of that cruiser crashing with the stolen jaguar, that was the police officer that fired the fatal shots. he was in that vehicle. so police are saying they don't know if it was disabled because of the crash, if the police officer didn't turn on the camera or turned off the camera. of course, all of this is under investigation. the police also tell us that the district where this police officer works out of is part of the pilate program that has been rolling out these body cams. and so this district had only
had those body cameras for eight to ten days. they don't know how many times this police officers had actually used the body camera, if he had used it before, or things like that. so all of that of course is still under investigation. but i want to point out something else. as you're watching this video and those shocking images of police officers firing their weapons in the middle of this neighborhood, in broad daylight, is that chicago -- the city of chicago and the police department have been trying to improve things, quite frankly. first of all, a bit of transparency. we're actually seeing the video, in contrast to the laquan mcdonald case in which the video was not released until after a year after the shooting. and then the use of force policy was updated. and in that update it also says that officers are not to shoot at a vehicle if the vehicle is the only weapon being used
against the police. and that's exactly what you see in this video. >> all right, rosa flores, thank you. thanks for bringing us the facts of the case. joining me now, law enforcement consultant tom burning, and charles coleman. police have said they are trying to be as transparency as possible as they move forward in this investigation but it is still an open investigation. are you surprised to see them release this video now? >> well, based on what they've been trying to do as far as being more transparency when incidents happen with the police, it is not really all that surprising. i would hope that they would want to collect as much evidence and facts first before they release things because to release things in piecemeal sometimes doesn't give it the full, complete picture. >> you want context for it all. >> i'm all for transparency. that's great. so if this is their first attempt to be more transparency than they were in the past, that's great. but you want as many facts and evidence -- bits of evidence to come out first before coming out
with some sort of a dissertation as to what took place in that incident, especially when it comes to the death of and individual. >> based on what you saw, what was your initial reaction there? >> it is shocking in a couple different ways. one is that clearly there is a breach or violation where the officer shot at the moving vehicle. >> while the vehicle was moving, too. >> they've already come out and said that, that was a violation of their protocol and procedure. that's a little disturbing to begin with. had they shot the individual while the vehicle was still moving, it could have gone in all different directions which is why they come out with procedure like that. second, the individual was shot in the back as he was fleeing from the police. generally police are trained to not shoot a fleeing felon unless that fleeing felon presents some sort of immediate danger to the officer or someone else. so had the individual been armed, he was firing over his shoulder at the police, then it is a different story because now the police could be injured or
killed. >> charles, based on what you saw in this video and learned about this case, is there enough to prosecute the police officers? >> well, certainly i do think that there is probable cause if only for the fact that as both tom and rosa have already pointed out, this officer was already in violation of chicago p.d. police procedure by firing into that vehicle. there's recklessness that you see there. because one, he's firing into a vehicle that an alleged suspect is driving, which as tom's already pointed out, that could have created a safety situation as is. but about you notice, that's also a presidential neighborhood. while we don't necessarily see on the camera that there were individuals around, there could have very well been other civilians around that could have been in danger of that officer perhaps hitting him with the bullet as he fired into that vehicle. to add on, the fact that this individual was unarmed and shot in the back, that does raise probable cause from the standpoint that i have a hard time understanding where that officer thought that his life or
the life of someone else was in danger. >> let's bring up other part of the video. we actually see that the one car slamming head-on into a police car which, as we learn from rosa's report, was apparently the same car that the officer eventually shot and killed this man was riding in. could he argue from a legal perspective that his life was in danger? this guy tried to hit him with his car. >> at that point when he fires the weapon, the car's already been hit. so if he were firing the weapon as the car were coming toward him, that would be a stronger argument. but we don't know necessarily at this point which of the bullets or what bullet it was that actually killed this young man. so we hear the shots that are fired. we don't know whether he shot in the car, whether he shot after he gets out of the car as he is attempting to flee. what we do know is that this is an innocent man and he's unarmed. he's also shot by police while he is running away from them in the back. so those facts themselves do not look good when you start talking about whether the officer --
whether there's probable cause in terms of being able to prosecute this officer. >> he's in a stolen car. he's certainly not a choir boy. but clearly, yeah, there were multiple violations of police procedure in chicago which is going to be detrimental to the officer involved in this specific case. >> the chicago police department has been under scrutiny for use of force incidents in the past. >> correct. and i have to point out in terms of me maintaining his innocence, stolen car or not, at that point, that officer may or may not know that. even still, that's not that officer's job to make that determination in terms of his guilt or innocence. that's what we have due process for, that's what we have criminal justice for. >> but they're chasing a stolen car. that's the whole reason for this interaction. >> there is so much to discuss here. the body camera missing and all of those pieces. there is still a lot more to this story.
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you've been kind of softening up on mr. trump's policies and words. is this going to be your role in the administration? >> i couldn't be more proud to stand with donald trump and we are shoulder to shoulder in this campaign, my friend. sometimes things don't always come out like you mean. right? and donald trump and i are absolutely determined to work together. >> joining us now, matthew shricker, the boy who asked that question and his mom. matthew, first, were you satisfied with the answer you got? >> i was very satisfied with the answer that i got from mr. pence. >> you're 11 years old. you can't vote. you're at this campaign rally. clearly you're following along with the election. given the question that you asked. why do you care so much? >> well, as you said before, i couldn't vote but i can still influence people to vote for me and since -- well, i want to
influence other people to vote for mr. trump and this is my future that i'm talking about. and i'm going to have to carry the debt when i'm going to grow up and i really don't want to deal with $19 trillion of debt and i kind of want mr. trump to take down the debt a little bit. >> what is it about donald trump that draws you to him? >> he is very tough and i like that because obama has been downgrading america a little bit in how america stands in the world. and i love his personality and how his kids are so smart and intelligent. and i know that if his kids are so intelligent, then he must have done a really good job and i think that he's going to do a good job, too. if he's created a multi-billion dollar business, then i think
that he can handle a country. >> no doubt, he has some smart kids, that's for sure, matt. but i have to ask mom here. mary, what do you make though of the fact that so many people are watching donald trump and some of his rhetoric people have called maybe bullying. does that make you feel uncomfortable at all as a parent? >> well, certainly as a parent, you don't appreciate bullying and bombastic language. but i think matthew's been raised in a good loving, devout family. he has good morals and good foundation. so my husband and i and our two daughters help to steer him back to what is correct -- or what perhaps might be a better way of saying it. but certainly from trump's perspective, i appreciate him as a leader, that he will be using such strong language against
terrorist leaders. >> i can answer that question myself, please? >> go for it, matthew. >> i think the rhetoric is totally fine for the situation now we're in. america's really failing and we need strong leader and sometimes toughness is a lot better than weak. and i think that trump's rhetoric shows that and i think the world leaders see that and i think the american citizens see that and i think trump is going to win the election because of that. >> all right, matthew and mary schricker. i wish we had more time. you're very mature and clearly a very confident 11-year-old. we appreciate that. thank you for coming on. up next, we are live in rio. tonight's opening ceremony kicks off for the 2016 olympics. the torch has arrived. dr. sanjay gupta is there. he joins me live next.
olympics gets under way. organizers have been very busy, putting all those finishing touches on the sporting venues. athletes are doing their final preparations. but critics say the same care is not being put into the medical facilities for the general public there. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has the story of two very different hospitals in rio. >> reporter: the images increasingly disturbing. overcrowding in rio's public hospitals. wait times here measured not in minutes, not even hours -- but days. and this horrifying situation. a patient passed away, lying in a body bag, and also waiting. to better understand what is happening here, we went along with rio's first emergency response battalion to see them in action. another problem. it's been 20 minutes now roughly since we left and we're lost. we're not exactly sure where the patient is that needs our
assistance. we finally arrive. a man has collapsed. what they're going to try and do is administer as much care as they can in the ambulance and not take him to a hospital if they don't have to. but turns out, he needs a hospital. the next goal -- find a bed for him. any bed. and that is typically not very easy here. >> translator: in the state of rio de janeiro, we lack 150 intensive care beds every day. >> reporter: this doctor is the vice president at the regional council of medicine. >> translator: it is an absurd situation. >> reporter: and now according to the doctor, in order to make room for hupdz of thousands of olympic tourists, things may have just become worse for local residents. all elective operations at nearby public hospitals have been postponed for the duration of the olympics. for the residents of the olympic village, however, a different story. this poly clinic will be the
first stop for any olympic athlete, coach or family member. able to handle 60 patients with ct and mri scanners. even dental care. for many athletes even from the poorest countries, this is even an opportunity for typically hard to access health care. and if necessary, they will likely arrive here, america's medical city. dr. antonio martez is responsible for the emergency response for rio 2016, giving us a rare look inside the facility. >> for people inside the venues be, if they need, will be ready to take care. >> reporter: for nearly three years they've been planning for these three weeks. here in the city's command center, director of emergency services, lieutenant colonel sinas tells me the biggest concern is not zika, not illness from the water, but a mass casualty incident from a terrorist attack. and that will bring into view for all to see a tale of two
hospitals. one a world away from the other. on this day, our unknown patient is finally wheeled into the emergency room of that other world. i can tell you, what happens in preparation for big world events like this, games, is a lot of preparation obviously, but sometimes that preparation comes on the backs of the location citizens here. their lives may have become more difficult as a result of this preparation. i will say, those poly clinics that you just saw with those ct scanners, mris, we will believe this when we see it, but what they've promised is that they will give all that equipment to the public hospitals at the end of the games. so there will be a little bit of relief for those hospitals and for people who need those services. >> well, dr. sanjay gupta, it is certainly unsettling to see that report but we thank you for shedding some light. thanks. coming up, donald trump set to speak any moment now, alongside his running mate. tonight we are told he can going to make a very big endorsement.
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ground. >> it scared me because i thought, wow, we're going to die. >> reporter: that's miami-dade county police officer mario gutierrez who happened to be patrolling the area, racing in, jumps out of his car, hits the emergency shut-off to the gas pumps, then finds himself standing over a simmering time bomb, unsure if the gas tanks would explode. >> there would have been a massive chaos. they would have thought it was terrorism. who knows. they wouldn't have been able to talk to me because i would have been nothing but videotape orrized. >> reporter: gutierrez tries stopping jean with a taser but it doesn't work. jean starts wildly trying to stab gutierrez with a knife and a screwdriver. >> he came for my throat and i blocked it. . >> reporter: gutierrez falls to the ground. jean viciously swings at him more than 20 times. >> it was a fight to the death and only one person was going to walk away. >> reporter: gutierrez was stabbed about a dozen times but he's able to briefly kick the man off long enough to grab his
gun, firing five times, killing jean on the spot. >> i never heard the gunshots. all i heard was the clinking of the shell casings hitting the ground. >> reporter: it only lasted 30 seconds but dealing with the emotions wasn't always easy. >> i felt like -- like i failed. i was -- i need to know that i put up a fight, that i fought this guy, because i didn't remember. i don't -- no recollection of it. so that really bothered me. >> reporter: these days, officer gutierrez patrols the miami airport alongside his hero. >> who are these guys. >> juan leon who saved my life. >> reporter: it was officer juan leon who found gutierrez laying on the ground bleeding that night. >> when i pulled i up i knew he
was he trouble. his brown shirt was red. >> reporter: leon raced his friend to the hospital just in time to save his life. >> he's my brother. my brother. >> reporter: that's the unbreakable bond of officers on the front lines. ed lavendera, cnn, miami. >> tough story to watch. amazing video. glad he's okay. newsroom continues right now. top of the hour. we're back with breaking news. sources telling cnn donald trump will endorse house speaker paul ryan after all, and it will reportedly happen tonight at a rally in wisconsin. it all comes after trump initially refused to throw his support behind ryan for his re-election bid. that was earlier this week. hogging lots of drama. plus, more breaking news. she hasn't given a press conference in months but moments ago hillary clinton took questions from reporters about donald trump, her trust problems and the economy. and now it is the answer on her controversial e-mail server
making more headlines. this week, she claimed twice in two different interviews that the fbi declared her public remarks on the scandal were "truthful." the problem is they weren't according to the fbi director. clinton said all the classified information stored on the system were retroactively classified. but bureau director james comey says some were not. clinton's admission today, she simply short-circuit her answers. >> that what i told the fbi, which he said was truthful, is consistent with what i have said publicly. so i may have short-circuited, and for that i will try to clarify. because i think chris wallace and i were probably talking past each other because, of course, he could only talk to what i had told the fbi, and i appreciated that. now i have acknowledged repeatedly that using two e-mail accounts was a mistake, and i
take responsibility for that. but i do think having him say that my answers to the fbi were truthful, and then i should quickly add, what i said was consistent with what i had said publicly. and that's really sort of, in my view, trying to tie both ends together. >> let's bring in david chalian, cnn political director. david, she says she shor short-circuited her comments in recent days. was she misrepresenting what fbi director james comey said? >> well, in the answers, she was, because in her answers to chris wallace she was suggesting that james comey, by her language, was suggesting that james comey sort of validated all of her public statements in addition to saying what she told the fbi. that's not true. as you know, the video of trey gowdy and others at the committee hearing with director comey, it was quite clear that he said some of the things that
secretary clinton had said were not true, some of the public things she said. what you heard her do today was, hey, guys, two different thoughts. allow me to clarify. i thank director comey for saying everything i said to the fbi when i met with him was truthful. and by the way, what i told the fbi is what i've been saying publicly. she's just trying to separate those two thoughts now trying not to suggest that director comey was validating her public comments. here's the thing, when hillary clinton is talking about this and breaking up sentences and parsing language and pointing to the facts of only three e-mails bore classification markings, she's already in a place that isn't politically helpful to her. i think that when she does, as she does -- and she did today -- say, i made a mistake, i wouldn't do it this way again with my e-mails if i had the chance to do it all over again, that should be the sum of her remarks at this point, i would imagine. because every time she gets into
the details, it just creates more oxygen for us to be talking about her e-mails again. >> let me turn to the other breaking news about paul ryan and donald trump reportedly expected to endorse paul ryan now after all that he said earlier this week -- i'm not quite there yet, not quite ready to endorse. tonight there is an event in wisconsin. apparently that's when he's going to make his endorsement. >> first, let's note, he moved a lot quicker from not quite ready to endorsement than paul ryan did for donald trump, which took a little more than a month for him to move not quite ready to endorse donald trump to actually endorsing him. but listen, clearly donald trump has heard from a lot of people in the party. we have reported how deeply upset reince priebus, the chairman of the party was was over his refusal to endorse paul ryan. we've seen his running mate make the case for paul ryan, get out there endorse, with donald
trump's blessing to do so. if indeed he gives on this stage tonight and gives this endorsement for paul ryan, he's clearly trying to move beyond this and no longer sort of upset the apple cart within the republican party. i still have a hard time believing that paul ryan and donald trump are going to be out there campaigning from now through tuesday's primary day together to get paul ryan re-elected. i don't think we'll see that kind of image. but no doubt, paul ryan will welcome the endorsement when it comes his way. >> david chalian, our chanks to you. lot of questions about champion's trustworthiness about her comments is something she has struggled with along the campaign trail and throughout the last several months of this campaign. let's bring in our panel now as we have kayleigh mcenany, of trump supporter. also kent hefner, and david morey. thanks to all of you for being
here. kayleigh, first your reaction to those hillary clinton comments we played. >> i'm pleased to see her taking questions from the press. . had been 240-odd days so it is about time. i find her comments to be a bit striking because what she said to the fbi was director she said and what she said to the american public was the same as those comments. we know what she was saying to the american public was not truthful. they were contradicted on several accounts that she used multiple devices, she hadn't turned over all work related e-mails, so she gave those answers to the fbi, that's very troubling that she would not be truthful with the fbi but comey said she was truthful with the fbi which means what she is telling us is not what she was telling the fbi. it is a convoluted way to look at what she said. bottom line she told the american public a mistruth. py hope she didn't tell the fbi a mistruth. >> do you feel like hillary clinton helped or hurt herself with her comments today? >> i think david's point at the beginning of the show sums it up
accurately. she's saying, one, she's echoing what director comey said, that her testimony to the fbi was truthful. two, she had no intention to be deceptive or do anything wrong. that was the reason he didn't bring a case. there was no intention, he found. number three -- hang on one second. he used the word extremely careless. hillary clinton is agreeing with the first twond a on the third she's saying, it was a mistake and i'm never going to do it again. i'm not sure this is the right topic for her to be on in a bigger sense. but she talked about the unclairety in terms of classification in 3 out of 30,000 e-mails. this is not the right topic for her to be on. i think this is one of the last times we'll hear about this until there is new news on this which the clinton campaigns hopes there is not. >> the e-mail situation just doesn't seem like it is going away. kent, you were part of a group
of republicans at harvard who have now publicly come out and said you will not support donald trump, although you're still deciding who you might support, whether it be hillary clinton or perhaps the libertarian ticket. where does this latest development put you now? >> well, i think this latest development is just another sign that both candidates are just simply unacceptable to the american people. we came out forcefully against donald trump because we feel that he does not have the correct policies nor the temperament to be president of the united states. but we also reiterate the fact that hillary clinton has been criminally negligent with these e-mails. hearing these stories and he said this and she said that, i think most americans at this point are just fed up with both of them. >> let's talk about donald trump because he's had a rough week, kayleigh. this whole hillary thing must make you take a deep breath and say finally, a little bit of relief. but, donald trump back in the news. he is getting him back back in
to make an endorsement of paul ryan tonight. are you happy to see this? >> you know, the non-endorsement did not bother me. some of the other things this week did bother me, they were mistakes. but the non-endorsement didn't bother me. look, paul ryan is in a republican primary. i think we need to get back to the basics of how electoral politics works where the voters get to pick them who represents them in their party. i didn't have a problem with donald trump saying wait, he has a republican challenger, i'm not going to take a side in the race. >> is he turning a corner now? >> i think this really shows he is listening to his advisors to make this endorsement tonight. one. two, to send out the tweet this morning to say he was mistaken about the video, these are two things we haven't seen. he's auto correcting which suggests to me people like newt gingrich and his advisors have gotten through to him. that's a good thing for the party. >> are you waerorried, david? >> i agree with kayleigh. he needs a reboot. you don't have to be for or against donald trump to agree that he needs a reboot after all of the last two weeks from the
judge, the khan family, russia, paul ryan, the whole sort of -- he's gotten off the message for him of barack obama, hillary clinton. remember, 84% of the american people are angry. they say the country's on the wrong track. 82%. excuse me. 1.2% gdp growth on friday announced. this is an election for donald trump to lose and he has to work at not losing it. he's got to find the right psychology and right sort of message dislynn to use newt gingrich's phase to win this election and get back in the election and win it eventually. >> kent, is there anything donald trump could do at this point that would bring you back into his side i guess? >> i think that donald trump's track record speaks for itself. you look at his statements. denigrating women. looking down on people with minorities. most recently the one that was most poignant for us in the harvard republican club was his utter lack of respect for the family of a fallen u.s. soldier. for us at this point we have seen enough of donald trump, we
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tried to pull over o'neal at first. he was allegedly driving a stolen vehicle. o'neal crashed head-on into a police car an then tried to flee on foot. watch this. okay. that was just one of multiple videos released today. what you're about to see next is a timeline of the shooting beginning with the initial chase. and i have to warn you, some of what you are about to see might be disturbing. [ sounds of multiple gunshots ] [ bleep ] he's going fast!
saying that that is my first little brother. i'm very hurt. words can't describe how you feel at this moment and how i felt when it happened. but i really want everybody to know that paul was loved by my mother, his family, me. that was everybody's best friend. he loved to keep smiles on everybody's face, joking, playing basketball. he got out of school. graduated. got his diploma. everything. we were trying to make the next step be going to dawson so he can pick up a trade which is for the alleged coal company comment. i want everybody to know that paul had goals. >> cnn's rosa flores is joining me now from chicago.
okay, rosa. we just showed a trove of video there but there is a piece missing, a key piece of this investigation which was the body cam video of the officer who fired the fatal shot. all we see are the officers who are running trying to respond to the scene. you hear the shooting but we don't see it. why? >> reporter: well, police give us a few explanations. first of all, they do say that all of this is under investigation. but they do point out a few things. they say that first of all, this police officer is part of a pilot program for police officer body cams and so they've only had the body cameras for eight to ten days. they don't know exactly who you many times this officer had actually used the body camera, if he knew who you to separate it properly. then the other thing that they point out is that this police officer who fired that fatal shot -- like you said, it is not caught on camera -- they say that the officer was in the vehicle that collided with the black jaguar that paul o'neal
was in. and so they don't know if in that collision, with that car crash, if something happened to the body camera that was deactivated, if it was somehow blocked or turned off by accident. and so they point out to those things. but, like you said, it is a critical piece of evidence. because while we see all of the chatter that's going on before and after the shooting, you can only hear the fatal gunshot, you don't see the fatal gunshot actually happen. >> rosa flores, thank you for your report. law enforcement expert david katz and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. first, david, based on what we just watched and heard from that video, from an objective standpoint in your law enforcement expertise, what stands out? did those police officers make any wrong moves that you can see? >> it is important to understand, number one, when they describe mr. o'neal as
being unarmed, the a the moment the shots were first fired he was armed. he was driving a car. most apartments and all of the jurisprudence allows you to fire at the driver of a vehicle if your life is endangered. during those initial seconds where he's bearing down -- one police officer bailing out of the car. at that moment use of force is legally justified. where the problem comes in is once the officers are no longer in the way, they're clear, they have to stop firing. you have adrenalin coursing through your body. you start firing being with you're defending yourself and that lingers for a couple of seconds. but that's going to be the issue, at what point should the officers stopped firing because they were no longer at risk. other officers were down the street. but typically if your life is in danger, whether it's by an armed suspect or person driving a car you can fire in defense of your life or fellow officer or member of the community. once that threat is removed you have to stop. >> when you look at the video, we already know the officers are
on the move, joey, when they're shooting. they are chasing this suspect. reports are the suspect was shot in the back. is there enough that we know so far to lead to a prosecution? >> well, ana, we don't know just yet. but from what i see, i can tell you it's very disturbing. let's talk about the legal, then let's talk about the practical. from a legal perspective, you look at three things. where is the immediacy of the danger in david katz speaks to the issue of if you feel your life is in danger, you are in a police car or stepping out of it. is the driver looking to run you over? and is it necessary or otherwise appropriate to move up to the level of lethal force at that point, particularly when departmental regulations in chicago forbid shooting at a car that's moving. so the issue immediately will become, did you think you were going to die. that's the standard. and if it the answer is no, it's troubling. then you move to the question of the proportionality of the force. why were there repeated shots?
repeated shots, repeated shots. the car is driving away. you cannot reasonably argue, whether you're a prosecutor or defense attorney, when a car's moving away from you, that there is any type of danger so why are you shooting. then you get to the point of reasonableness. is your conduct reasonable. looking at all those three factors, again, it is under investigation. i get it, i understand. but to this point, it is quite troubling. now we move to the issue of he's out of the car and he's now moving. that is mr. o'neal, teenager who's shot. what would give the officers the justification at the time that the fatal shot was fired, which we don't see, to fire the shot in the first instance? a person's returning away. were you being shot upon? were you being attacked? were you otherwise endangered? that's the analysis that has to come. there will be a prosecution? i do not yet know. it obviously needs to be vetted and looked at more closely. but from what i see here, i have to tell you that it is significantly troubling that someone's dead and you have to
ask yourself, did that have to happen. should there not be some use of force continuum where lethal force is the last resort, not the first. >> activists are also upset not just about the lethal force, but what happened after the shooting, and that portion that we do see in the video. let's watch. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> he shot back, right? >> so you hear a lot of swear words. they're kind of nonchalantly, it looks like, going up to the scene there. we don't know exactly which officer said what. but, david, what's your reaction to that? >> which part? >> just what happened afterwards. their response. >> well, look. >> they seem kind of callus. >> frankly, the perspective from the activists isn't the issue. issue is what was in the state of mind of the police officer
during the shots. joey, though youusually brilliant, couple things i need to tweak a little bit. you don't have to be in fear necessarily of your life. it is also in fear of being seriously injured. one. number two, you don't have to delve into the mind of the person who was driving towards you. if you were at risk, that's enough. question is, as joe mentioned, once that reason to defend yourself disappears, where is the justification. did he lunge, did he reach in an area commonly used to secrete a weapon? we don't know that because the camera's absent. so that's the question. as it appears now, there is no justification based on the typical self-defense, even in a law enforcement self-defense scenario to support that. but we have to wait until we know a little more. >> how big a deal is that missing link, the piece of video which would be the officer's body cam, the officer who fired the fatal shots. >> obviously you want to evaluate all the information that's before you.
but in looking at everything, you have to question why there was being -- why were shots fired to begin with? i beg to differ on the issue of whether you feel you're going to die. you're in a car. the car's stolen. it does not appear to me that the officer is serious injury. where is the serious injury coming from? where? so why would you fire? that's going to be questioned. then moving to why in fact a shot was -- why were they shot and killed at the scene? of course we don't see that. it would be important to know. but then you look. medical evidence is important, too. where is the trajectory of the bullet? if it is in the back as reports suggest, it becomes further problematic. and then just talking about one other thing, if i can. i think now what you have to look to is the transparency of any type of investigation. i certainly applaud them for allowing the videotapes to be released so the public can see. but now to the hard question of rolling up sleeves an finding out what happened, i think across country you need independent investigations so the community can rely upon the
actual result. you don't need a particular entity that worked with the police, that oversees the police to actually be looking and viewing this. i think you need some outside entity to do it. it will foster and engender a greater trust within the community. >> joey jackson, david katz, thank you both. up next, hillary clinton seizes on a positive jobs report to make her case on the economy. that was part of her press conference this morning. donald trump sees the numbers in a much different light. we will sort out fact from the spin with an economist. even a r. [rickie] a romantic what? [squeaking noises] i'm a sucker for proposals. and we covered it, april twenty-sixth, 2014. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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jobs report so much it sent the dow index up more than 150 points. currently at 174. now the market rallied on word that the u.s. economy added 255,000 jobs in july. unemployment remaining the same, 4.9%. wages grew 2.6%. the news reverberating from wall street to the campaign trail. here's what hillary clinton said just a short time ago. >> now i believe that president obama does not get the credit he deserves for leading us out of the great recession. and i like to remind people, he had nothing to do with creating it in the first place. he came in to office and this wor worst of all financial crises since the great dression was handed to him. >> in a statement, the trump campaign responding the current
employment picture the worst since the great depression. so what is it? founder and ceo of ds economics joins me. diane, thank you for being here. what should be our take away as a layman from these latest jobs number in the big picture? >> the big picture is it is nice to see a nice snap back in jobs and upward revisions in the last couple months. gains were good not only in quantity but with quality. that means newly minted college grads finally getting those jobs which is very important. we also saw the uptick in wages hold and that's important. entry-level wages had picked up and increases at the state and location of level have picked up some of the low-wage jobs in leisure and hospitality and retail environment. the flip side, the unemployment rate stayed at 4.9%. of course we'd like to see it go lower but it stayed at 4.9% for the right reasons, because participation in the labor force picked up. we actually saw more people
throw their hat into the ring. this gets into the details in the election and some of the dirt is in the details. that is almost all of the improvement in labor force participation over the last year which has been small but at least moving up a bit has occurred among women in their later twep20s and early 30s. it's not really broad-based. older workers who felt left behind by the great recession are obviously still feeling left behind. that gets to the crux of the issue. we are generating jobs and the gains are getting more broad-based, still are not all inclusive. >> the trump campaign threw out a bunch of numbers in their response. saying we are in the middle of the single-worst recovery since the great depression. workers earn less than in 1970 according to the trump campaign. fact check for us, if if you will. what do the numbers tell us? >> there is ways to play with this data. we are in a very subdued recovery. we all know that real -- median
family incomes peaked in 2000 and they've been coming down since then. they have rebounded since the trough of the great recession and are beginning to regain some ground. i believe when they come out for 2016 we'll have regained even more ground because we are finally seeing wage gains against across the board. we've also seen that back door boost to real median wages and that is through the drop in prices at the pump. of course there is a double-edged sword there because it hits our mining industry. the bottom line is, no, the environment is not great. it is also not as bad as extremes would like to point it out. critical issue here is that the jobs situation for many americans that feel left behind has been decades in the making. white men in particular have had to compete with women, had to compete with more minorities, have to compete with a lot more people in the labor force than they once did, particularly in the 1960s. decline in manufacturing is real. it's been happening for four decades. this is nothing new. but we have clearly hit a
tipping point once we hit the great recession and we have unearthed an anger that's real. the question is how do we deal with it, what are the solutions to it. certainly solutions on a campaign trail usually don't really get us there. >> sounds like i'm hearing you say that the truth of the matter is in the eye of the beholder. it's all relative. >> it is in the eye of the beholder. though we need to behold it very carefully. >> as best we can. thanks for joining us. up next, the former head of the cia breaks a long tradition of staying nonpartisan, now calling donald trump dangerous for america and suggesting the republican candidate is being played by vladimir putin. ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there.
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from the cnn newsroom, a former director of the cia says donald trump would actually pose a threat to national security and that he would be a "dangerous commander in chief." today mike morrell wrote a "new york times" op-ed saying the nation would be much safer with hillary clinton as president. trump's campaign responded blaming clinton and president obama for destabilizing the middle east and calling morrell a pawn. joining me now, linicholas burn who once served as u.n. ambassador to nato. he also supports clinton. ambassador, thanks fob beir bei here. he also called trump an unwitting agent of the russian federation. going on to write, "president vladimir putin of russia was a career intelligence officer trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. that is exactly what he did early in the primaries.
mr. putin played upon mr. trump's vulnerabilities by complimenting him. he responded just as mr. putin had calculated." do you agree? >> well, i think mike morrell is one of the most respected people in washington. he's been resolutely non-partisan of course, throughout his career. this is a very consequential op-ed that he's written. mike is essentially saying -- and i very much agree with this -- that donald trump is unfit for the oval office. look what he's said about russia. he said that he could consider recognizing the illegal russian occupation of crimea a flagrant violation of international law. trump has failed to stand up for our nato allies and he's questioned whether we'd even protect our allies in the baltic states against addreus. we've never had a major
candidate that says the united states has to leave nato. i think mike morrell's piece is well-taken. it is the right thing to say, it is a very courageous piece and i agree with it. >> do you agree that putin's played him, that he is an unwitting agent of putin's, as he puts in the piece? >> i would put it this way. you see constant statements now from the russian government and figures in moscow from think tanks praising donald trump. you have this curious situation where donald trump for the last three or four months has been castigating our european allies in nato and praising the russian government. it is the most unusual situation that i can remember. we've never had anyone run for office with this kind of ideological construct. and it is very much against the american interest to think that somehow we can coddle and appease the behavior of the russian government. we learned a lot from the 1930s, from the appeasement of the '30s.
we learned a lot from the strength of franklin delano roosevelt in the '40s. republicans and democrats do agree, and have for decades, that we have to be a strong leader and protect our friends. and donald trump is breaking with that tradition. that's why i think -- and for reasons of temperament and judgment and the lack of wisdom in his comments, his continuous comments been, he's not fit to serve this country as president of the united states. he has no experience 40s job. i think mike's piece and other pieces that you've seen, republicans coming out to both denounce donald trump or support secretary clinton, as i do, i think you will see more of this in the next couple of days and weeks. >> we'll see. we'll watch and see. ambassador burns, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. up next, third party candidates gaining some steam. voters looking for an alternative to trump and clinton. what a ratings win for cnn's libertarian town hall could mean in the general election. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork.
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november's election could boil down to a few key swing states. one of them -- colorado. where i'm from from. a place where more than one-third of voters consider themselves independent. as kyung lah shows us, hillary clinton and donald trump are using very different strategies to engage people there on the ground. >> reporter: in the battleground state of colorado, the ground war. >> i'm getting people registered to vote. >> reporter: taking aim with real and augmented retail politics. clinton campaign workers playing pokemon go to register potential voters. ♪ >> reporter: and using other attention-getting draws. a cello? for real? >> a cello. you just have to be unique especially in a battleground state like colorado where stakes are so high. >> reporter: battleground colorado, twice elected republican george w. bush, then gave barack obama back-to-back victories. some recent polls give hillary
clinton a double-digit lead. another potential advantage -- since 2012 democrats have and the latino voters continue to grow up to 15 president 3% higher than the national arch. 14 clipton campaign offices are up and running in the state. hundreds of workers on the payroll and the operation expected to triple. >> for us the ground game is critical. >> they have spent $5.6 million on ads, and trump spent $230,000. >> are you seeing the trump operation out there? >> it is far different. there are some knocking on doors, most are volunteers. the trump cap pain has just five offices relying, instead, on an
extensive local plan. >> the same old tired paradigm we have seep for years and years and years. >> colorado will be decided be a group of people in middle america. >> mark saban supports donald trump. >> i will contribute directly to donald trump, not to the g.o.p. >> loyalty to trump, not party. an x factor lost on both sides, and with candidates having high unfavorability numbers. >> i'm not sure i want either as president. >> how will you decide then? >> i don't know.
the lesser of two evils. >> now a growing number of people are looking at a third party candidate. this week's cnn libertarian town hall was the most viewed thing. >> smaller government, and they don't do a very good job at that, and perhaps we're really good at civil liberties, something that democrats have not stood up for. >> to me the real reason might be that we're decent people, we're both inclusive to the great big, open, loving society. >> let's talk more about this, the senior media correspondent, we saw a huge jump. what is the significance? >> there is something happening
there under the surface. i wonder what it means for the poles. the numbers were okay back in june. less than $1 million viewers. but this week, you can see a big spike, more than 1.6 million viewers on wednesday night. more than in the demo. and it was the number one cable program on the news. the media under estimates third par fit interests. and all of this is happening about seven weeks before the first debate. right now she closer to 10%. there is something happening in
the surface. we're going to look out of touch in the journalism world if we don't pay attention. >> this is a chance for voters to get educated on who their choices are. >> and that there is more than two choices. >> thank you for being here. don't miss our next third party event, a live town hall, only on cnn. we're minutes away from donald trump taking the stage in iowa. she expected to endorse speaker paul ryan tonight. stay with us.
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