tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN August 7, 2016 7:00am-8:01am PDT
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>> and there have been more talk of gop defections. can republicans do anything? will they? i asked two prominent ones. then, what donald trump should have been talking about is the weakest economic growth in decades. who can boost it, trump or clinton? the "new york times's" poll can prove it. and the brilliant best selling author malcolm gladwell with his -- what barack obama has in common with gin goers and his plans to remake the olympic games. but first here's my take. earlier this week i was asked on cnn to make sense of one more case in which donald trump had said something demdemonstrate
false. trump is many things, some of them dark and dangerous, but at his core, he is dangerous. a brilliant es kay in 1986 called "on bullshit." frankford distinguishes crucially between lies and b.s. telling a lie is an act with a sharp focus. it is designed to insert a particular falsehood at a specific point. in order to invent a lie at all, the teller of a lie must think he knows what is true. but someone engaging in b.s., frankford explains is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false, his eye is
not on the facts at all. his focus is panoramic, rather than particular. with more spacious opportunities for improvisation, hence the familiar notion of the "bullshit artist." this has been donald trump's -- much of it is a concoction of hyperbole and bullshit. take for instance the most extraordinary example. his nonrelationship with vladimir putin. >> i was in russia, i was in moscow recently, and i spoke indirectly and directly with president putin who could not have been nicer. >> in november 2015, at a fogs
debate, he said this of putin. >> and i got to know him very well because we were both on "60 minutes." >> did donald trump really believe you can say something like that on live tv and no one would check? did he think that no one would notice that the "60 minutes" show contained two separate interviews with putin in moscow and trump in new york. i have gotten to know roosevelt because i have talked about him on hi television show. donald trump claimed in 2011 that he had sent investigators to hawaii and that, quote, they cannot believe what they're finding. for weeks, trump continued to imply that there were huge findings to be released soon. he hinted to george stephanopoulus, we're going to see what happens. that was five years ago in april 2011. nothing happened.
in fact it appears highly unlikely that trump ever even sent any investigators to hawaii in the first place. in 2011, cohen explained that it was all very secret naturally. trump has said the same about his plans to defeat isis, which he can't reveal. he has boasted that he has a strategy to win solidly democratic state this is fall, but he won't reveal which ones. that one is a head scratcher, won't we notice when we campaigns in those states or will it be so secret that even the voters won't be told? henry frank says that liars and truth tellers are acute lay aware of fact and truth. the b.s. artist has lost all
connection with truth and realty. by virtue of this, bullshit is a greater -- standard rules of fact, truth, and realty have disappeared in this campaign. donald trump has piled such vast quantities of his trademark product into the political arena that the stench is now overwhelming and unbearable. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. that's my take on trump, but let's discuss where donald trump and the gop go from here. joining me is brett stevens, columnist for the wall street journal and a friend of both trump and his campaign. brett, let me ask you, looking
at all the stuff that's been happening for the last few weeks, what strikes me is a really interesting difference. the conservative movement, intellectuals, yourself, george will, the editors of the national review, have all announced and distanced themselves from donald trump very consistently. the republican establishment on the other hand has not, presumably because they felt this might be a road to victory. as donald trump's poll numbers drop, do you think that the republican establishment will find its principles like the conservative establishment did? >> that's why i'm hopeful. that's why i wrote my column. as a matter of political practice, good practice as well as the long-term interest of the party, i think they have to begin distancing themselves immediately. it's very clear that trump is going to lose, he's going to
lose by historic margins and he's going to be a mill stone around their nets in he elections, the idea that they have to support trump to -- i think he's become morally toxic, and the danger is that the association with trump is going to taint other republican leaders who are trying to find their way, find their path in this election season so that the republican brand itself is going to be damaged for multiple election cycles if they ever even recover. they need to distance themselves from not only the man, but the ideas. >> are there republicans who are beginning to worry about their survival? >> no, not at all. in fact i just got off the phone with a high ranking official at the rnc, they're frustrated by
this past week, it's been not focused on hillary clinton, they have been focused on other side issues. they're calling it a family feud. the party is firmly behind donald trump for president and behind all their candidates. first of all it's way too premature to say donald trump is over. we have been doing this for months, when we start seeing poll numbers in september, when the debates start, mid-september through october, those are the numbers that count. a lot of people are undecided, people have flipped. >> you're seeing in states like new hampshire, you're seeing in crucial states, in illinois, republican senators who are up for election, their poll numbers are sinking. >> but do we know -- there's -- we haven't seen a correlation between trump at the top of the ticket and their problems. >> let me ask, because i really
feel like what i'm interested in is where the republican party goes, you worked for colin powell, do you think colin powell will come out and say something against donald trump? >> i do not speak for colin powell. and i'm sure he will see this and be very grateful that i say that. as you know, he endorsed president obama twice. and i know that he and donald trump are not friends. whether he endorses him or not, he hasn't told me that. but i think this election is unlike any other election because general powell aside, because he obviously split from the party in the last two elections before there was a split in the party. people who have no party affiliation, this has split up
everything. the standard republican punditry, the standard party lines are all up in the air. hillary clinton is holding her party and pulling some of the moderates to her. donald trump is pulling in democrats, more democrats than she's pulling in republicans. he's pulling in the middle, it's just not the standard party lines, so i don't think we can put any past patterns into this race. >> just very quickly, this is the standard line of the trump side of the party that all of us who oppose him are just a bunch of elites who live in a corridor, in this bubble of unimaginable wealth. i wish i had been born into an extremely wealthy new york real estate family and been given multimillion dollar loans to get my start in life, i started at the bottom like so many of us did and to think that i achieved anything is -- it's not a
convinced argument. and it's particularly not convincing, when trump is telling people who are at the bottom, who are first generation americans who are trying to rise, it's increasingly a vision of the privileges of a white ethnic block. that's who he's speaking to. and if the republican party becomes essentially the white party, it is going to be the death of it, not only for demographic reasons but for reasons of principle. the party of lincoln is a party of opportunity for everyone. it's a party about the right to rise and mr. trump unfortunately doesn't represent that view. can the republican party recapture that after his loss i think is the great question. >> you're missing my point. i'm not talking about donald trump, i'm talking about when i say the elites of new york and d.c., i'm talking about the main stream media. every day you're going out to these town halls and these
rallies and getting thousands and thousands of people showing up. he's matched hillary clinton in small donors. nobody's talking about him personally being elite. obviously he lives in new york city in the trump towers, but we're talking about people in the rust belt, and we just got our quarterly numbers out and the economy is still weak and wages are still low, and we don't think that people in new york and d.c. and this media which isn't presenting the problems of their economy, their home and their perm safety. >> the american people deserve a president who can speak grammatical english. >> that's just snobby. >> it's true. >> next on "gps" we'll do
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i have made millions of dollars in business deals, i'm going to make this country rich again. >> as president, i'm going to make sure you hear you're hired. >> so who's got a better plan for the american economy? let us have a debate. steven moore is a senior economic advisor to the donald trump campaign and an economic consultant with freedom works.
and a column for the "new york times." your argument is that the slow growth we are now watching is a consequence of obama's economic policies, which hillary clinton will pursue and therefore we will be condemned to slow economic growth. what is trump going to do to reverse that? >> i think you have donald trump's position exactly right. that isn't just my opinion, i have asked donald trump to take with him every speech he gives, the front page of the "wall street journal" article that said weakest recovery sense -- i actually think the business sector of this country is in a recession right now.
so these are abysmal numbers. what we are going to do to change that, i think we're going to focus on three things, and mr. trump is going to give a major economic speech on monday, focusing on number one, reforming our business taxes and cutting our business taxes to bring jobs back to the united states and a pro america energy policy, we could be the dominant energy producer in the world. >> we are the predominant energy producer in the world. >> we're still importing oil, we can't in five years be exporting oil and gas rather than importing oil and gas which would be a huge boost for the economy. we need to unshackle businesses so they can grow. there's a saying if you don't have healthy businesses, you don't have healthy jobs.
>> what's wrong with it? >> first thinking for a moment about jobs, if we look at job creation, particularly private sector job creation, the obama era has been a whole lot better than the bush era. obama, you do the comparison on the charts and it's not even better, so if these are anti-growth policies, how come we have all this job creation. >> obama had a substantial tax increase at the beginning of 2013, followed by the best job growth of the 1990s. he had the implementation of obama care and everybody said that it was going to be a job killer. but jobs have grown steadily. >> the jobs forecast started off with 3% in 2008 or 2009. >> that was people like me saying this is a post modern
recession, this is the aftermath of a financial crisis, it's not going to be a recovery that's going to be all that fast. we know that it's going to be slow. we're pretty close to full employment. >> the problem has not been that growth has been decent. the problem is that walmart jobs, they're minimum wage jobs, now the question is how do you create, not just more jobs, the middle class jobs that pay you $50,000, $60,000, $80,000 a year and that is investment. that's one thing that worries me about the economy. if you look over the last year, spending, investment, and computers, that's fallen off a cliff because businesses feel like they're under assault from washington. just lifting that veil of fear
of business es like putting someone in the white house like trump, you go back to the kennedy era, when we cut tax rates, when you look at the reagan era, those were the biggest booms we ever had in this country, not just for the rich, but the middle class as well. >> the clinton boom was greater than the reagan boom. clinton greater than reagan. obama better than bush, bush cuts taxes, obama raised them. it's really kind of sad, it's actually kind of pathetic, steve. you're going back to the reagan tax cut 30 years ago. >> and the kennedy tax cut which was a totally different environme environment. >> we now have 25 years of evidence, we have clinton, bush, obama and of those three, the
ranking in terms in success in terms of job creation, in terms of economic growth, it's clinton, obama, bush, and you say we should believe in your recommendations because of something that happened 25 years ago. i would argue that story with you. >> voters don't like at all what barack obama has done with the economy, but they didn't like too much what happened under george w. bush. we had record levels of spending, and we're going to turn that around. but, look, you -- when you look at bill clinton, i actually think if hillary clinton were going to govern the way bill clinton did, i would vote for her, she wants more spending, she wants more debt. you know this paul krugman, spending increased under obama. government spending went down and the growth of the economy went up. >> thank you gentlemen for a
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9% of the entire country voted for trump or hillary clinton. the united states subsequently has voting rates that are among the lowest in the developed world. only 53.6% of american citizens voted in the 2012 election. by comparison, 84.3% of turkish adult citizens and 87.2% of eligible voters in belgium elected to vote in the national elections and maybe that's because voting is mandatory in belgium and turkey. they are just five countries that have compulsory voting rules. president obama has pointed out mandatory voting could be transformative. >> the people who tend not to vote are young, they're lower
income, they're skewed more heavily towards immigrant groups and minority groups, there are some folks who want to keep them away from the polls, we should want to get them into the polls. >> the president cited australia has as -- a fine of 20 australian dollars has been enough of a disincentive to mobilize voters, over 90% of aussies voted in the last election. not only are australians more representatived, they might even be more politically aware. quarts pointses to a ground breaking study that countries that have compulsory voting have a public that is more
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history as the first female president of the united states, right on the heels of the first black president of the united states. but to firsts of this kind inspire seconds and thirds? will future election contests feature more women and african-americans. that's one thing my next guest has been thinking about for his new podcasts. malcolm gladwell has a new podcast at revisionist history.com. your podcasts deal with all kinds of fascinating subjects but they have contemporary significance, so one of them, one thinks of hillary clinton, because we think about what happens to women when she enters a man's world and you go back in history to kind of an unusual history. >> the idea behind the podcast
is revisionist history. so each podcast i try to reexamine managsomething that's either been forgotten or misunderstood. i have long been fascinated by a female painter, at a time when there were no women in the world of painting, and painting was a huge deal in the 19th century, it's an incredibly prestigious profession and she sort of breaks in an has this brilliant painting that and everyone gets convince that she's going to break down the world of art for women. so everyone thinkin ings of her pioneer. so the instant she has this break through with this brilliant painting, boom, they
slam the door. >> and there are no more great painters. >> so the next time it was thought she might become a member of the royal academy of art and as it turns out, this was in 1873, there wasn't another woman who joins the royal academy until the 1930s. so everyone thought women will be joining willy-nilly in the 1870s, it didn't happen for another 50 for 60 years. this is a phenomenon. it's a token phenomenon. there's a lovely work called "moral licensing" which says that when a favored group a majority group does an act of generosity towards an outsider, it doesn't necessarily signal that more acts of generosity are coming, it just gives them license to go back to their old ways. so the thing that perpetuates
openness--when you look at germany in the 18th and 19th century. the germans didn't hate all jews, there were german jews they adored and held close to their heart. and it was that love of a very small number of jews gave them permission to hate the rest. >> you talk about this in some regard in relation to president obama, some of this, when you allow in some, there's also a backlash. >> this is a way of describing the psychological mechanisms of backlash. efron and others have tested this out in an enormous number of settings. a very small noncontroversial example of this is dieting, if i go to the gym, i give myself permission to have an enormous unhealthy meal, that's the same phenomenon, by doing some good
work, i then say it's all right for me to backslide into a bad work. but really it's most interesting with respect to discrimination. and it explains why discrimination persists generation after generation. even when there are these ever now and again these hopeful signs. i mean a good question is, now that you have one black president, is a second black president more or less likely, right? that's what this kind of work would suggest. >> what you're suggesting is les likely. >> maybe less likely, maybe donald trump is what you get when you have had two terms of obama. in other words people having said we have been this country who's been open to opening the white house to a very different kind of president, maybe we can go back to baser -- i'm telegraphing my feelings about the presidency, maybe you can
return to your base instincts once you have been so generous and open for eight years. >> and what do you think it says for hillary? >> so in that first podcast, the kind of heart of it is an interview with juliette gill yard, who was the first female prime minister of australia. after she takes off, she's exposed to the most extraordinary level of misogynistic vitriol and she gave this speech where she kind of has had enough. >> si will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by these men, i will not. >> and that is a classic example of moral licensing, having opened the door to the first female prime minister in the history of australia, australians feel the license to say the most inexplicable things
about her. it's astonishing that people in a modern democracy would say those kinds of things, it makes me think, if hillary clinton wins, what happens, does the fact of her victory, and the achievement of our first ever female president, does it open the door to a level of misogynistic vitriol that was open to her before the election? i i sort of think, i think i would say this if i was not a hillary clinton supporter. the level of scrutiny she is given for real or imagined misdeeds is far greater than an equivalent male would be given. i don't think that's an outrageous statement. people pick apart things she does in quite an extraordinary
way. why? because that's what happens to every woman who enters a previous male world. >> up next, gladwell will tell us what he thinks of the olympics, his plan to fix them. >> this plan that everything has to take place in rio or london before it is so nuts zblvm go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my i-tunes podcast. wholesome nuts and crunchy flakes. good things come together to make one great thing. great grains. why be good when you can be great?
pyongyang, north korea. he is the megabest selling author such as the tipping point and blink and he's author of a wonderful new podcast called revisionist history. >> i know that you think the olympics are fundamentally flawed, but you have a solution to them, which most people don't. people have gone on about the corruption, you actually have a fix. >> one fix won't do it. but i have many feelings about the olympics, mostly motivated by the fact that i think rio has the potential to be a disaster, a disaster on the level of kind of multiinternational disaster that we haven't seen in a long time. so many things could go wrong. but i think a core of the problem has now become that the olympics, every year we make it bigger and more complicated. every time, every four years, the cost of it grows, every four
years, the security concerns grow even more terrifying. every year the job gets harder and more expensive. >> and the amount of money becomes so large that the corruption becomes in a sense inevitable. >> the corruption because bec becomes bigger because you have so much at take. i think it's time to break up the olympics. >> which means what? >> there's zero reason to have everybody in one place. this notion that everything has to take place in rio or london before it is so nuts. like, where is it written that the rower has got to row within the same geographical proximity as the runner has got to run. no, break it into four logical parts, and have a country take each part.
for example, i'm a big running fan. i cannot say how absolutely insane it is to have people run long distances in eqatorial brazil. people are risking their lives. you don't put them in -- sweden, stockholm would be a place to have the track every four years, you can have the gymnastics in rio because they're inside with air conditioning. i cannot believe that brazil will look back on the rio games with anything but regret. at a time when the country is in crisis, they have devoted billions of dollars, not just resources, but also the attention of their leadership
has been towards essentially a set of games for the rest of the world that will leave them impoverished and the physical plant of which will be essentially unusable for the rest of its life. this makes no sense. >> i don't think you're going to get on the international olympic committee any time soon. malcolm gladwell. good to have you on. next, the human olympics pit man against man, woman against woman, but russia has war games of a kind. you won't want to miss this when we come back. the heirloom tomato.
stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is "isis, a history." this is written by a well informed guide to the region. everyone opining about isis should be required to read this book first, at the very least, they should read it's wise concluding chapter. the past few weeks have not been easy for russian sports fans. doping allegations are keeping scores of russian athletes on the sidelines at the olympics. but have no fear. perhaps giving rio a run for its money, russia is now hosting it's own international sporting event. last saturday, just outside of moscow, the second annual international army games opened,
a two-week long, 19 country military competition. interested in watching sniper versus sniper? war medic versus war medic? you've come to the right place. but the tank biathleon, tank teams are scored on speed and accuracy, other than a sniper team from greece, there are other athletes from nato countries participating in this year's games. with tensions in russia rising and an american candidate threatening to leave nato countries to defend themselves, perhaps they're all preparing for the real thing. the answer to our gps challenge was c, 1956 was the first time an olympic games was held
outside europe or the united states. the only countries that have not hosted games is africa and antarctica. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week, i will see you next week. good morning, i'm brian stelter, and this is "reliable sources," a look at the story behind the story, how news and pop culture get made. this hour, trump's toughest week yesterday, with tumbling poll numbers. plus how news outlets are getting creative, fact checking statements right on the screen. is it fair? plus new reporting on the future of fox news, with ousted ceo roger ailes still denying sexual harassment allegations against him, meanwhile the murdocks are speaking out. but first, the united states of anxiety, does all this election coverage scare you? i mean reall