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top of the hour. i'm poppy harlow in new york. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." brand-new polling in the race for the white house. it reflects what a rough week it's been for donald trump. hillary clinton up eight points over trump among registered voters. clinton maintains that eight-point edge when you factor in the libertarian and green party candidates. the poll comes as donald trump
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tries to get back on message. he is doing that by attacking hillary clinton. >> unstable hillary clinton, and you saw that. you saw that where she basically short-scircuited the people of this country. they don't want somebody that's going to short-circuit up here. not as your president. remember, isis is looking, folks. this stuff is so amazing. it amazes me actually. honestly, i don't think she's all there. >> there is one republican, though, who trump has not won over. that is ohio governor john kasich. the former presidential hopeful sent shockwaves through his party when he skipped the convention in his own state. he sat down with our jake tapper to speak about why he did that, what it might take to get him on board with trump. >> paul manafort said you were embarrassing your state of ohio when you skipped the convention
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in cleveland. you talked about the pressure you felt, people telling you you needed to go. you needed to endorse. were there back channel efforts to get you to come to the convention? and who put -- and who put the pressure on you? >> no, no, people would call who were longtime friends of mine and say you need to do this. you need to support the party. and secondly, don't give the impression that you're a clinton supporter. that's just kind of this thing. let me be clear. i'm not, okay? i see four years of gridlock with her. total gridlock and meltdown in economics. >> what do you see -- >> i see gridlock there, too. >> were you surprised when donald trump declined to endorse speaker ryan, senator mccain and senator ayotte? >> i thought it was a little bizarre. your nominee for president, the republican presidential nominee
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said he's not a hero. he prefers people who weren't captured. >> i think john mccain is a hero. here's the thing, all throughout this, anybody can say, okay, you know, trump said this. you say that. why don't you slug him over the head? my actions have spoken louder than any words. >> your refusal to endorse him? >> yeah. and think about this. i want to know when anybody had a convention in their state when they were the governor who didn't go in the convention hall. i mean, some people really furious with me about that. but i did what i thought i needed to do. and i never went in that hall to promote myself. i wanted -- believe it or not, i wanted to show respect to the nominee. and my going up there and disrupting the deal was not what i intended to do.
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>> can trump win ohio? >> he's going to win parts of ohio where people are really hurting. there will be sections he'll win because people are angry, frustrated and haven't heard any answers but i still think it's difficult if you are dividing to be able to win in ohio. >> let's talk about what we just heard and what this means for the race for the white house. with me jennifer granholm, former governor of michigan and senior adviser for "correct the record," the only super pac connected with hillary clinton. and kurt ellis. ohio is so, so, so, so important. i can't overstate it when it comes for republicans. no republican has ever taken the white house without taking ohio. donald trump still cannot take kasich on board in that interview. you heard he doesn't sound like he's close to getting on board with trump. does trump need kasich? if so, how does he get him? >> i'm confident kasich will
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come around. >> why? >> in that interview with -- in that interview he made clear he's not happy with hillary clinton. he said she is going to be more government, more spending. worse performance for the economy. he said bernie sanders is driving the bus and she's just in the back seat. i think he's going to come around. i was at the rny wic with a lot people from ohio and they were frankly embarrassed he hadn't endorsed and wasn't there. he's going to talk to the republican voters of ohio and realize the right thing to do is get on the trump train. >> he has 60% approval rating in ohio. he is very popular there. you are confident he's going to support your candidate? >> oh, i think so. he said he is not happy with hillary clinton, and he's going to realize it's a binary choice. if you don't have trump you'll end up with hillary. he also took a pledge that he was going to support the nominee. so i think he'll come around. >> governor granholm, i want to play some of what hillary
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clinton's running mate tim kaine said on "meet the press" about these persistent questions over her answers when it comes to her e-mails. >> but i know that this is something that she has learned from and we're going to be real transparent absolutely. >> so here's the thing, though. when you look at what the american people think, new poll out last year, 66% of americans think that hillary clinton is willing to bend the rules. it's a tough number. >> well, the polls that were out this morning also show that trump has an equal problem with credibility or more, in fact. he beats her by several points on that issue. she's going to continue to work on that and continue to be transparent and continue to say that she apologizes for having had two e-mails -- >> can i just jump in. what does that mean she's going to continue to because she has been giving -- >> because you guys will continue to ask -- >> because it's important. when you're talking about honesty and trustworthiness of a
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presidential candidate, it is important to the voters. and when she said she short-circuited, no one knew what that meant. >> well, i mean, i knew what she meant. she did not intend to send any e-mails that were marked classified. she takes it very seriously. she told that to the fbi, this is why the fbi did not prosecute her. they could not prove that she intended in any way to -- >> they called her extremely careless and comey said -- >> and she's apologized for that. the question is, poppy, there was a great article this morning by nick christophe in "the new york times" where he compared hillary clinton and donald trump and deception. and he points out the objective fact checkers repeatedly demonstrate that he is far and away more dishonest than she is, by multiples, like 70% of the stuff they fact checked, he has been deceptive. so i understand people keep
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coming back to this one issue about e-mails which she has apologized for and which she was not prosecuted for by the fbi, and she will continue to apologize. and she'll continue to say she respects and will make sure that classified information is not compromised when she is president. >> but in that answer, she gave chris wallace last sunday on fox, "the washington post" gave it four pinocchios and said she was not clear on that. so the american people are clearly not getting straightforward answers. i'm not going to spend the entire time on this. kucurtis curtis, when you dig into your polling numbers, let's tick through a few of them. 7 in 10 voters, including more than half of republicans disapprove of how trump handled the khan family, the parents of this fallen muslim american soldier. more than half of voters don't think he's qualified to be president and more than half of voters don't think he has a good understanding of world affairs compared to 70% who believe clinton does. how do you turn those numbers
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around? >> there's plenty of survey research that shows 70%, 80% of american people think the system is rigged. >> what research? >> there was a recent poll by pat cadell and associates that's think the system is rigged, that -- >> i've got to stop you there because i have never seen that poll and we have a standard for -- >> i'll send it to you. >> please do. >> you just said 80% of americans think the system is rigged? >> they believe the insiders, the politicians are not working for the american people but have jiggered the system to work for their own benefit. the same politicians that have rigged the system are responsible for these trade deals that have sent jobs overseas. so with that kind of headwind it's going to be difficult for a career politician like hillary clinton to gain the trust and -- >> can you explain to me -- >> and the e-mails are another example of that. >> this word rigged is a word that's been used a lot in this election, not just by donald trump. it has been used by democratic
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candidates as well. but what do you mean specifically when you say up to 80% of the american people think that the election system is rigged? >> not the -- necessarily the election system. let's talk about the political system. there's one set of rules for the insiders and they are playing by a set of rules that benefit them and when they make policy decisions in washington, it's ones that benefit their donors. the people who give money to the politicians, not decisions that are going to help the american people, the people on the outside. >> are you saying trump shouldn't take any donor money? >> the division in this country between the insiders n outsiders and donald trump is an outside ehe's getting his money from small contributions -- >> isn't he an insider now because he's a presidential candidate. >> he has not been on the inside like hillary clinton since the 1970s, '80s, in the white house in the 1990s. >> governor granholm, i can't talk about that poll. i don't know what that poll is or if it meets our polling
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standards but i can speak to the issue at hand, this outsider/newcomer status that has helped donald trump all the way through the primary. and you have hillary clinton very established politician, 25 years on the national stage. a lot of people think they know everything they need to know about her. does that hurt her? >> no, i don't think -- well, i think people should know more about her because when they do find out, they will be comforted that she is out there battling for them. it's one of the reasons the poll you were discussing earlier shows 6 in 10 americans believe she has the right temperament and experience to be the president and 6 in 10 believe that donald trump does not. it's not to do with insider/outsider but who do you trust to be able to fight for you. donald trump has fought for himself this whole -- his entire life. and every step that he's taken in his businesses, his outsource, his manipulating the bankruptcy system to benefit and enrich himself on the backs of
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everyday citizens shows he's out for himself. everything she's done in her life has been to fight for somebody who doesn't have a voice, whether it was with the children's defense fund or making sure schools are not segregated and making sure that people -- that children have health care. when she was first lady. got the children's health insurance program. for her, people need tond her whole life has been about serving people. donald trump's whole life has been about serving himself. >> jennifer granholm and curtis ell ellis, clearly more to talk about. also coming up, he was an official in every republican administration. now he says he'll vote for hillary clinton. we'll introduce you to him and ask him why. also iran executes a nuclear scientist accused of spilling secrets to the united states. i'll speak with an american diplomat who spent his life working on u.s. relations with tehran. and the tale of two cities in the shadow of the olympic
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fresh ingredients. step-by-step-recipes. delivered to your door, for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery welcome back. a republican who worked for president ronald reagan says he will not vote for donald trump. instead, former white house political director for reagan frank lavin is now supporting
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democrat hillary clinton. in a new cnn op ed he writes the truth is that donald trump talks a great game but he is the emperor who wears no clothes. trump falls short in terms of the character and behavior needed to perform as president. this defect is crippling and ensures he will fail. frank lavin joins me now. >> thanks, poppy. >> can you tell me about the moment that you decided to walk away from your party's nominee and to embrace hillary clinton. was it something trump said? was it a policy proposal? what was it? >> actually, there were two specific moments. what you just described, not voting for donald trump and deciding to vote for hillary clinton are really two related but separate decisions. the ffrts one was a little easier for me. and it came when donald trump called on a religious ban, a specific religious ban on muslims. that combined with his comments about mexico and mexicans, i just found distasteful and very
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inconsistent with the highest standards of the office of the presidency. i decided that this fellow is not fit for public office. but to your point, it's a little longer journey for me as someone who has always been right of center and always comfortable, proud to support the republican nominee to vote for the democratic nominee. that was a longer journey for me. >> correct me if i'm wrong. you've never voted for a democrat. >> that is correct. i started voting in '76. very happy to vote for republicans. excited about the republican nomneys we ran. >> you're an ohio native. i want to talk about your governor, john kasich. he just sat down for this fascinating interview with my colleague jake tapper. he spoke about the backlash he received. let's listen. >> who put the pressure on -- >> notice, people would call who are longtime friends of mine. you need to do this for yourself. you need to support the party. and secondly, don't give the
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impression that's you're a clinton supporter. that's just kind of this thing. well, let me be clear. i'm not, okay? i see four years of gridlock with her. total gridlock and meltdown in economics. >> so, first on that, how would you explain your decision to back clinton to your governor? >> look, i respect governor's point of view. he's in a far more difficult position than i am in terms of visibility and currently holding public office. it's a very different decision for him than for me. i don't hold public office and have more flexibility. but i'm proud of him for his stand and it is clear to me that governor kasich finds donald trump to be distasteful. >> but do you think he should get on board? he made this argument, he said don't take me wrong. my support of trump is not -- my lack of support of trump is not my support of clinton. and he said that she would lead
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to an economic meltdown. do you agree at all with his assessment of what a clinton presidency would do to the economy? >> yeah, listen. we'll have a range of views about hillary clinton. my most important issues are the international issues. most of my lawyer has beife has foreign policy. hillary clinton is far closer to the traditional republican approach to foreign policy of alliance relationships, international engagement and so forth than donald trump is. so at least in those set of issues, i'm 100% comfortable supporting hillary clinton. >> so tell me this because you described it being really a long road to go from just not supporting trump to actually supporting hillary clinton. what concerns you about her? what scares you about her? what do you not like about her as a candidate? >> i had a major concern and she put that to rest in my mind. to go back to your earlier question. you're always concerned about the ideological focus. and i think a successful president does have to govern
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from the center. you have to respect market economics. and it was the democratic convention and her selection of tim kaine as a running mate that reassured me her centrist impulse can dominate and that bernie sanders' constituency is not going to be defining the clinton administration. >> so what do you mean? you think she might reverse, flip-flop again on some of these trade deals like tpp? >> no, i take her at her word. i don't speak for the clinton administration. i am simply saying in the bernie sanders constituency you had a idology that was hostile to economic growth, hostile to business start-up and entrepreneurial spirit and would be damaging to the u.s. economy. and if you look at where hillary clinton and tim kaine are, these 24 people who understand you have to foster some sort of atmosphere which is for business expansion. you're not going to improve employment unless you allow these businesses to grow. that's got to be a starting point for any kind of economic
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management. >> will you be on the road trying to get other republicans on board with you in this effort? >> i told the clinton campaign, i'm committed to this and i'm happy to help in any way i can. i will personally be voting for hillary clinton, and i'm happy to act as a spokesman in any way they see fit. >> quite a change of heart for someone who has never voted for a democrat in their life. frank lavin, quite an interesting discussion. thank you. ahead, this -- drive just a short distance from the olympic stadium in rio and you will find yourself in an area police rarely venture. >> the rest of rio speeds past this spot. taking nobody away with it. this is where the deals are done. >> a look at the dark underside in rio de janeiro when we come back.
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the sumper olympic games have kicked off. but not far from the bright lights of the olympic stadium is a dark and dangerous part of rio. our senior correspondent nick paton walsh reports this is a side that remains very much out of the spotlight of the world. >> reporter: drive just past one olympic venue, and there, sprawling in the dusk is the rio that brazil doesn't want you to see. you're heading with us into a place where police cannot go unless they want a gun battle. a surreal other world where those with guns set the rules. they agree to talk if we didn't identify them. going to junior baca, a place where they deal. at the wheel is traval.
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he passes for a veteran here. i didn't think i'd last till 20 because of our lifestyle. now i'm 38. if god allows, one day, i'll be 60. it's my dream to leave, to have a quieter life. we drive through off camera a crazed detached world of street parties, open dealing, teenagers in a world without rules or a future. the rest of rio speeds past this spot. taking nobody away with it. this is where the deals are done. will the olympics boost business? sell, always sell, he says. sell more. that's the point. the quality is good. >> this is where their world meets the rest of brazil. a country sometimes with great reaches and opportunity that many people here will never know. pick your own sample.
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all cut from pure in a nearby laboratory. the local druglord tells us he dreams of leaving to study business. but this is the business here. traval has 11 children by six different women. all we want to do is sell our little drug to look after our kids. we don't shove guns in their faces and say buy. we just have it available. what would you say to people coming here for the olympic games? enjoy rio, but with your eyes open. brazil is not prepared. few from here will be watching or there. it will be businessmen, politicians. me? i would like to be there, but i can't. the worst thing is that i can't leave. it's what i want. to leave here. i feel like a prisoner. >> walls that keep the grand ur and billions of the game out of
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reach. >> nick paton walsh reporting from rio. fresh off the jobs report from friday, hillary clinton and donald trump set to make major economic speeches this week. the folk urks jcufocus, jobs. but who can convince voters their plan is the best one? next. ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there. we'll find them in our subaru outback. (avo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. get zero percent on select subaru models during the subaru a lot to love event, now through august thirty-first. t-mobile's coverage is unstoppable. and with extended range lte it reaches farther than ever. from the powder to the pavement, skylines, coastlines, out in the country, deep in the city.
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some good news on the economy this week. the u.s. has seen two months in a roy of strong job growth. the labor department reporting friday that employment gains in july far exceeded the expectations of many economists. the unemployment rate stayed steady. our chief business correspondent christine romans has more with the numbers. >> poppy, a strong jobs report two months in a row of strong jobs growth. june and july, 292,000 and 255,000 net new jobs. now for the year, poppy, 1.3 million new jobs added for the year. the unemployment rate still here at that multiyear low around 4.9%. the trend is so important here.
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it's been several years of the unemployment rate drifting lower here even as there are concerns about people who have dropped out of the labor market, people working part time that would like to be working full-time. people working temp jobs. the overall trend continues to impro improve. two months of strong hiring, poppy. >> let's talk about this in the context of the race for the white house. donald trump will unveil his economic plan with a big speech in detroit. job creation will be a big part of it. democrat hillary clinton will give a big economic speech. also in detroit on thursday. let's hash it out. with me curtis ellis and former michigan governor jennifer granholm, a senior adviser for "correct the record" and a hillary clinton supporter. jennifer, interesting op ed by tom friedman in "the new york times" talking about these economic plans. and he said that hillary clinton needs to, quote, inject some capitalism into her economic
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plan. and he said the democratic party as a whole has lasted into anti-trade regulatory heavy socialist light agenda. tom friedman, does he have a point? >> no. in fact, she spent this past week post convention with tim kaine going on a jobs tour talking specifically about the plans that she's going to put in place to encourage robust growth on the part of job providers, businesses. she's talked about infrastructure. she talked about making sure there's an infrastructure bank to afford those jobs that will be putting infrastructure on the ground. she talked about small businesses. she wants to be the small business president. she talked, which is really important to me, about advanced manufacturing. making sure we can stamp those products made in america and export them. and she talked about clean energy jobs which to me is the biggest opportunity in terms of growth sector globally we should
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be making those products here. she's been talking about this on all fours this past week. it's very exciting. i'll be curious what donald trump says about job growth in america and how he specifically would create jobs here. >> when you talk about job creation, some of those business leaders would say a lot of these regulations are too burdensome on us, too heavy to create those jobs. your response to them, especially talking about the energy sector, for example. tom friedman pointed out regulatory heavy were his words. you have to walk a line and have regulations for safety but you also need job growth. >> for safety and health and health of the environment absolutely. we can do a heck of a lot better in terms of streamlining regulations. leveraging technology. making sure there's not duplicate regulations. we need to make it easy for job providers to choose to manufacture in the united states. to make the u.s. irresistible to
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job providers. that's what she's been talking about. i know he'll be talking tomorrow but everybody who has looked at donald trump's economic plan to date has declared it essentially a disaster. if you look at the moody's analysis that -- >> let me get curtis in there and ask him about that, governor. she's pointing to this moody's study back in june that said donald trump's economic plan would mean a 3.5 million american jobs would be lost. unemployment would hit 7%. they also pointed out that the economic plan he proposed then was pretty lacking in terms of details for them to get a very accurate read. assuming we'll get more details tomorrow, what does he need to do to get the assessment of economists that he'll be in that positive job creator? >> well, tomorrow we'll be hearing from mr. trump about trade reform, tax reform, regulatory reform and energy reform to make america the best place on earth. >> specifics. >> per that moody's study, it's
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very interesting. that study said it would actually leave dump's policies, would lead to a rise in wages for americans. i think that's a good outcome. >> they actually said it would lead to a recession. >> they said it would raise labor costs. you want to translate that into everyday american cost? it means you get a pay raise. the globalist elites are going to have to pay you more because there will be fewer people competing for the jobs if we don't have unrestricted immigration. >> i want to be clear with our viewers on what the moody's study said. it would lead to 3.5 million american job losses. 7% unemployment and a decline in home prices and a recession. >> and it's interesting that the jobs tour that governor granholm pointed to, hillary clinton stopped at a toy factory and said toy manufacturing is an example of the jobs of tomorrow she's going to create.
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it's very interesting. the toy industry is one of the industries that was outsourced as a result of nafta and as a result of the china trade policy that the clintons brought us the last time they were in the white house. and will bring more of if they get back -- >> so on trade -- >> the trans-pacific partnership. >> this is something that has resonated with so many voters, especially those along the rust belt, those who have lost good paying manufacturing jobs. you know, when you look at clinton who she called tpp the gold standard before. she's against that trade proposal. but to curtis' point on these trade deals do we need to hear a different message from her on how she'd work to reform the deals? >> she made it very clear in this tour and before that she will not approve the trans-pacific partnership, that she will only enter into trade deals that benefit the u.s.,
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that she'd adopt a trade prosecutor to prosecute violations of trade by our trading partners who are taking advantage of us. that she'd go after china's manipulation of currency. she has made it really clear that she's going to be tough on trade and make insure that jobs are created in america. unlike donald trump who has taken advantage of these trade agreements to offshore all of these jobs and make products in china and mexico and bangladesh and everywhere else. it's such a tale of two stories -- tale of two cities. she has said very clearly about nafta that we learned our lesson from nafta. that you cannot allow nafta to stand. that you have to make sure that you enforce the trade provisions and make sure that nafta is tough. we've really not been as aggressive as we could have been at the world trade organization, which is why she wants to make sure -- put in place a trade prosecutor to make sure it benefits our businesses. >> both of them are in the same page in terms of trying to rework these trade deals if
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curtis, we keep hearing from donald trump he'll be the best jobs creator. the jobs of yesterday are not the jobs of tomorrow. and the reality is, if you'll be honest with the american voter that a number of those manufacturing jobs that have been lost are not jobs that are going to come back in this economy. technology has completely changed the game. >> that's not exactly true. there are many jobs that can be done here in america that are not being done. it's a result of the policies of the clintons, nafta, permanent normal trade relations with china which caused large chunks of american industry to move out of this country to places like mexico and china. they used to make cars in flint, michigan, and you couldn't drink the water in mexico. now you can't drink the water in flint, michigan, and they make cars in mexico. i mean, this is ridiculous. the entire automotive industry has moved offshore. we can move those jobs back here
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with the right policies of trade reform, tax reform, regulatory reform and energy reform. and that's what mr. trump is going to lay out in his speech tomorrow in detroit. >> final 30 seconds. >> we don't disagree that we can do stuff in the united states that will get advanced manufacturing back to this country. but i will say, i know you helped to draft donald trump's speech for tomorrow, but if you listen to all these players who have looked at what his policies are so far, the tax policy center saying that his economic plan would blow a hole of historic proportions in the national debt, "the washington post" saying there's fantasy math and then there's donald trump's economic plan, the economists saying donald trump's plan is a fantasy. the tax foundation, this is my favorite and i'll stop on this. the tax foundation economist is a conservative entity on his tax plan. it's not consistent with historical experience. it's more consistent with a
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world where we're hiring butlers for our vacation homes on gannymead, a moon of jupiter. this is what respective parties think of donald trump's plan. >> these are globalists who benefited from the status quo that the american people are rijer rejecting in large numbers. up next, we'll speak to an expert in the art. the dark art of optics about what it takes to make politicians look as good as possible to you, the voter, and the mistakes made by the current presidential front-runners. me f like a master chef and emiana reminds me of like a monster chef. uh oh. i don't see cake, i just see mess. it's like awful. it feels like i am not actually cleaning it up what's that make mommy do? (doorbell) what's that? swiffer wetjet. so much stuff coming up. this is amazing
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of course, this election season has been like none we have seen before. let's talk about all that with josh king, author of off script, an advanced man's guide to white house stagecraft, campaign spectacle and political suicide. what a title. you'll read that book. that's for sure. >> thanks for having me on. >> you're a former director of production for political events under bill clinton's administration. in this election what is interesting is there are two candidates very well known. arguably celebrity candidates. very well known, not very well liked. >> yep. >> how much can their people do to change that? >> well, the candidate it all comes down to the candidates themselves, poppy, and how they spend their days from the moment they wake up until very late at night. work with governor bill clinton in 1992, president clinton in '96, here was a guy who used every minute possible on the campaign trail right up until
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midnight shaking hands, doing what we call otrs, sitting at the local restaurants, wherever the city that he was going to be in. and then bedding down for the night in the town he was visiting or in the next day's events. what's interesting about this cycle is you see the candidates getting back in their plane and coming back to new york for overnights. you saw a tweet donald trump sent out of him having a bucket of kentucky fried chicken on the plane ready to get home. where is the communing with the country that you're trying to get to know better during these important summer weeks. >> hillary clinton has been criticized by many journalists for not taking more questions. she hasn't had a formal press conference since december 4th of last year. and she's seen as guarded and then other folks say trump is too off the cuff. so if you were managing the optics for the two of them, what do you do? >> you know that she is taking a lot of local media availabilities, the places that she goes. but you are at cnn.
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you know how this process works. let's share it with the viewers which is ground rules. if you decide with the reporters that follow you that we're going to have an off the record conversation for the next 15 minutes, the way that she might have been when she ran for the senate in 2000 and 2006 when you can get to know her views on important matters without it becoming the next big screaming headline or next tweet out, then you'd build these relationships. you can't do that as much anymore. in terms of the national reporters who are following her, everything that she says is on the record. and you'll see her having these conversations with local affiliates, not as much those who are covering her daily. >> you worked with bill clinton's administration. how can she best use her husband right now? >> well, i think you see him with a very active schedule going to media markets that mean everything for her. every state now it looks after this week is in play. the arkansass, the tennessee,
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the georgias, states that -- even utah and arizona. so if you send bill clinton to media markets that he'll be able to draw a crowd to, places where investment of her time doesn't make as much sense, keep her in the battlegrounds but send him farther afield. >> i wonder if you think after the week that was for donald trump or really tough week, tumultuous week, the polling shows it, if you think reining him in. if manafort can rein him in, if that benefits him in the long run. isn't what people love about him the fact that he said exactly what was top of mind? >> poppy, people want to like him. so if trump is at all likable, then he needs to do the things that would make you bond to a 70-year-old billionaire. it may not be possible. but for him to do the things he did last week on the stump, you know, you may want to see him
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have that nice conversation with a baby and not have the rejoineder that says get the kid out of here. 3. >> he says we the media got the baby thing wrong. >> pictures don't lie. that was just the tip of the iceberg to say nothing of the khan family. and everything else that went down last week. do i hope for the country that we have a better week this week, that we have a more thoughtful debate? of course. it will start tomorrow with these dueling economic speeches. but trump and secretary clinton should both show a lot more joy out on the campaign trail. >> joy? >> enjoy the places they're going to. >> enjoy the ride? >> enjoy the ride indeed. >> a lesson. a good lesson for a sunday night. thank you. josh, nice to meet you. enjoy the those are live pictures out of chicago. a live protest is under way, organized in response to the
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all right, i want to take you now to chicago, two days after chicago police released videos relating to the killing of black teenager paul o'neill by police. protesters are gathered in chicago. our rosa flores is there this evening. when this video was released of this car chase that led to the police firing on and killing paul o'neill, the head of the police oversight board called this video shocking and disturbing. what are the protesters saying tonight? >> reporter: hey, poppy. let me show you around, first of all. it's a small crowd. they've marched for about a mile here in downtown chicago, mainly in the downtown area, in the loop. right now they're sitting in a
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sit-in at this intersection that you're taking a look at. this is in solidarity for paul o'neill, the 18-year-old who police say was driving a stolen black jaguar when he hit a police cruiser head on. then he fled on foot. police officers chased him and one police officer shot and killed him. the medical examiner does say he died from one gunshot wound. but like you mentioned, in this new era of transparency and accountability in the city of chicago, the superintendent of police was very swift to lift the powers, the police powers of the three police officers who fired their weapons. and so they were stripped of their police powers. as you can see, you can probably see some of the police officers around, the police officers
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facilitating this demonstration to make sure these protesters can demonstrate around the city of chicago. they've been doing so very peacefully, poppy. and again, it's a small group. they started probably about an hour ago. they had a few speakers, and then they started marching here in downtown chicago. but it's all very peaceful. they've mainly been delivering messages of solidarity and of course justice for paul o'neill. poppy? >> rosa flores, live for us in chicago. please do keep us posted. rosa, thank you so much. quick break. we'll be right back. and everyone knows me for discounts, like safe driver and paperless billing. but nobody knows the box behind the discounts. oh, it's like my father always told me -- "put that down. that's expensive." of course i save people an average of nearly $600, but who's gonna save me? [ voice breaking ] and that's when i realized... i'm allergic to wasabi. well, i feel better. it's been five minutes.
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finally, tonight's number. this weekend, the number is 25. because this weekend is the 25th birthday of the world wide web. on august 6th, 1991, the first
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public website went live. that's had an it looked like, nothing fancy, black text and blue links on a white background, an idea that has completely and totally transformed our lives and society when that first site went live on the web. next on cnn, how did the notorious drug lord "el chapo" evade authorities so many times, twice escaping maximum security prisons? our chris cuomo's special cnn report, "got shorty: inside the chase for "el chapo." i'm poppy harlow. thanks for being with me. have a great week.
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>> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. he escaped maximum security prison. twice. >> the vision of chappo inside his cell and then disappearing like harry houdini will never be forgotten. >> he used cash and cleverness to outwit law enforcement again and again. looks like a bathtub, right? check this out. a signature "el chapo" tunnel. a drug lord who loved the limelight. >> he was sending flirtation text messages to soap opera actresses. >> and ruled the streets. >> they put more dope on the streets than any other cl


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