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surprised by the findings of this report. the answer is quite simple for me. i'm very, very concerned by some of the information contained in this detailed report. i have no tolerance for any person who is privileged enough to wear this uniform if they choose to engage in racist sexist discriminatory or biased-based policing. without a doubt, web will become a model for the rest of this nation. i formally believe that. we haven't just sat back waiting for doj to tell us about our short comings. we've worked to enact significant changes and reforms before we arrived here before you today. with our agreement in principles, we've worked out a detailed road map for a path ahead. i'm looking forward to our partnership and moving forward. as i've said a number of times this isn't something that we're doing to police officers in
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baltimore, it's something we're do doing for police officers in baltimore. mayor rawlings-blake has been supportive of the bpd. without her support, we wouldn't have been able to enact so many initiatives. i can't thank her enough. i have the opportunity to live through a doj consent decree in the police department that i worked for right here in maryland. that agency served a population with demographics similar to that of the city of baltimore. what i know is we came out of that consent decree a bear and stronger agency. two immediate additions i made to the police department were bringing in two high-ranking members who have had experience working through doj investigations and consent
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decrees. a former commander of investigations and the director, a former director of public safety, have worked hand-in-hand with the department of justice during investigations and consent decrees and they will help us get better faster. we also stood up a compliance team well before the findings. this is something historically done after the findings. it's another unique thing with baltimore in this doj investigation that baltimore should be proud of. this will position us better to move forward and to address the concerns that have been noted. we are serious about making meaningful changes. that can't be lost in the details of this report. we are very, very serious and committed. change takes time. change takes commitment. and change takes trust. we will get there. we will get there together. we will be better. we will prove it to the world,
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to this city, that it can and will be done in baltimore. and baltimore will be the model for this nation. it will be hard, but it will happen. this is the moment to get better. it's undoubtedly a tough moment, but a moment we will be able to reflect upon in the future. and know that this was a turning point for better policing. not just in baltimore, but in our united states. i want to close by echoing something that the mayor says routinely. we are going to do whatever it takes. whatever it takes. to have a police department that our citizens deserve. thank you. mayor. >> thank you very much. we're going to open it up for a few questions. >> all right, john berman here along with kate bolduan. you've been watching a press conference out of baltimore. department ofings on the civil s
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investigation into the police department. a scathing indictment of police practices other the last several decades. systemic racism essentially they're finding. disproportionate use of justice in that city. >> unconstitutional stops, searching and arrests, they say, kind of for years at the department. let's get to jean casarez, in baltimore, following this. you've also followed the case that kind of led to this investigation from the very beginning, the death of freddie gray. what are you hearing, what's the big headline for you. >> well, it's interesting, think the headline is, i've read the majority of this 163-page report. this press conference we've listened to. very factual. but really giving a positive slant to the future. the hope for the future that the city and department of justice will have a court ordered agreement they must follow with retraining and proper protocol that, in a term of years, that resolution can be found.
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the report sometimes shocking. ed an and blandant examples of what they say are understand constitutional actions toward the african-american community. that there are two communities in baltimore, the black baltimore and the white baltimore. and after talking to those in the white baltimore, they say, the police officers do a great job, they enjoy them, they respect them. the black community, something i have have different. the report finds from looking through so much documentation that they are much of the time unconstitutionally based, that when officers are trained in the police academy, they are trained, the report says, based on unconstitutional principles. so, in a sense, they're saying that the police officer really don't have a leg to stand on from the beginning, but then goes on to really say once they are in action, those unconstitutional principles remain. i have to cite one example of so
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many in that report. that a sergeant an officer, was with the department of justice investigator, they were driving, doing a ride-along. the sergeant told him to get the people off the corner, disperse them. the officer said, well, i don't have a reason to do that. the sergeant said, make one up. john. >> all right, jean casarez, just one of the many stories. we're joined by legal analysts. we've heard the stories from jean casarez. the statistics stunning. baltimore, a city that's 63% black. the justice department found 91% of those arrested for descripti descriptionary offenses were african-american. blacks account for 82% of traffic tops. of the 410 stops, 95% were black. >> that's one of the findings of the doj. because of baltimore's policing
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practices, their training, that resulted in a disparity. when you compare the rates of arrest against the population of african-americans in the community, there's a disparity. and that alone is a form of discrimination. in so many words by the doj. it really goes back according to the report to the late or mid-1990s when they adopted a zero tolerance policy, which led to a lot of stops, a lot of searches, seizures, frisks. according to the doj, the modern view is more community oriented policing. this is also pro active policing but it involves a different approach. one the doj says is the better way. >> they say the way they have been doing this proactive policing not the way. let's bring in our cnn legal analyst. one example that stuck out to me, one man was stopped more than 30 times in four years,
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resulting in no citations with any of those stops. is anyone held accountable? what happens from here? >> apparently in baltimore you've got the problem of racial profiling as pervasive and the fourth amendment and its protections are nonexistent. what the doj is trying to do is say, look, web know there's a problem, the community has told us there's been a problem for decades. now we actually have concede proof. we're going to get a consent decree that says you have to make financial changes and training changes to ensure your police department adheres this very old concept of the fourth amendment. and, you know, one of the things danny was talking about was spot on. you mentioned as well. look, not only are these description nary offenses where officers can say you failed to obey, trespass, the police department had templates to charge them. they had prepopulated fields that said black male. it's profiling at its finest. it's shocking to know in a city
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like baltimore with over 400,000 black residents have had to endure this level of profiling in an open environment. >> i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. you've been a police officer. no department -- no office anywhere likes to be told what they've been doing for decades is not just wrong but unconstitutional. however, there was a positive spin on this event, baltimore welcoming this report as a way to move forward. >> how do you think this will be perceived inside the police department? >> in a lot of ways, might field scapegoated that there are so many problems in baltimore that need to be addressed and it comes down to the police. miss gupta cited lack of education, lack of employment opportunities, other problems in the minority community. that's not the police's position to fix that. until that gets fixes, they're still going to be having a
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tremendous challenge on the street trying to help ordeal with the people in that community. when they cite the statistics of so many more blacks than whites are arrested or there's a black are there black services and white services in the communities of baltimore that are vastly different. so that is way beyond just correcting problems within the police department. not that you shouldn't correct them, it has to be done. i'm just saying this is part of a huge problem of lack of resources, lack of attention, to a community, and it's surprising given that you have a black mayor, you have many black city council members. where have they been all these years? they must be aware this is systemic in their communities. now to have the department of justice come in from washington and slap them upside the head and say fix this, you have to do something about this, you've ignored it for too long.
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>> now it's definitely right on their lap right now to fix it. let's go right now to billy murphy. the attorney for freddie gray's family. billy this investigation by doj came in the aftermath of freddie gray's death, the investigation, the riots that happened on the streets of baltimore in the aftermath of freddie gray's death. what does this mean for freddie gray's family? >> well, they're not shocked. they've had to live through this. what is shocking is how ineffective black leadership has been in addressing the problem or even communicating the gravity of the problem over so many years. one mayor after another mayor has been woefully accommodating to a white community that has a different experience with the police and who we hope will be shocked into a new reality about what needs to be done. this is a genuine emergency in
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the black community. it isn't something we can cure by incremental steps. all of the officers who participated in these mass arrests can be systemically and statistically identified so they can be removed from this force. what is really truly shocking, i say this again, because it can't be said too much, is how many officers are on the police force have participated in these systemic violations of the rights of the african-american community. that can no longer be tolerated. now, going forward, we're going to have an easier time if we implement police cameras properly. there have to be severe penalties for turning the cameras on after stuff that is critical, has already started. and have to be severe penalties for turning them off prematurely and keeping them off. officers have to be suspended for doing that.
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they have to be remove for doing that. if we're going to keep this from being a joke about wringing our hands about the problem and not rolling up our sleeves and getting rid of these problem officers. there are so many of them. and what goes along with this is massive police perjury. in order to sustain these arrests, the officers have to lie about the grounds for them. in order to sustain these searches, the officers have to lie to sustain them. you heard that one example that was given. so we have a real problem that can't be treated just by counseling and changing the culture. no, these guys who are a part of this culture have to go. and the quicker we get them gone, the quicker we can reform the police department. >> the commissioner saying this is no doubt a tough moment. this is a moment though to get better. we'll see if that -- what changes happen, how quickly it happens and how the trust within the community is regained.
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billy murphy, thank you so much. let's turn now to the question dominating political headlines today. did donald trump make a joke about assassinating hillary clinton or was he just calling on second amendment voters to get out the vote for him to help stop hillary clinton. plus, new questionings about a new batch of e-mails from hillary clinton's state department come out, including a request for a job referral and a favor for a billionaire donor. so were lines crossed between the clinton foundation and the clinton state department? (vo) maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you're trusting us with. subaru. kelley blue book's most trusted brand. and best overall brand. (avo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. get zero percent on select subaru models during the subaru a lot to love event,
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[ crowd booing ] if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> all right, donald trump is set to speak in just a few hours. will he revise or extent these remarks? cnn's jason carroll in virginia for the event. >> a lot of questions there from both you and kate, john. here we go again, once again, donald trump has made another controversy comment, another off color comment some would say, and once again you've got a number people out here now try to defend, trying to explain, what donald trump said. so as you can imagine the clinton campaign very quick to move on this. clinton campaign manager weighing in on the controversy saying, quote, this is simple. what trump is saying is dangerous. a person seeking to be president of the united states should not suggest violence in any way. trump, for his part, going on the defense, talking about this
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last night, giving more of an explanation in terms of what he says he meant and how he says it was perceived. >> nobody in that room thought anything other than what you just said. this is a political movement. there's a tremendous power behind the second amendment. it's a political power. and there are few things so powerful. have to say, in terms of politics, there's few things. i happen to think if they actually did even bring this up, i think it's a good thing for me because it's going to tell people more about me with respect to the second amendment. because hillary clinton wants to essentially abolish the second amendment. >> now, despite where folks stand on this issue, be a number of trump's die-hard supporters say they still support him. they like the fact he doesn't stick to a script. that he goes off script. clearly at this point, a number of points within the gop would
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prefer he stick to the script. >> i'd say so, jason carroll, great to see you, thanks, jason. >> now to jim sciutto. we heard from michael hayden, the former director, deep concerns over what trump said. you have been talking to officials also deeply concerned. >> listen, when you speak to people in a security space, i can say this, they're taking these comments seriously. even accepting the possibility they're open for interpretation. but the people who work in this space, they're not dismissing this as just another political gaffe. let's take the statement from the u.s. secret service yesterday. i mean, the simplicity of statements. they said simply, their spokesperson, that the u.s. secret service is aware of the comments made. secret service is famously apolitical, they're protecting both candidates. of course they're aware because they're protecting donald trump and were in the room. they don't have to say anything. one of the reasons they put out the statement is to say that
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they took note of those comments. beyond that, i've spoken to former secret service agents, current secret service agents, they're not going to go on the record in public. but saying, listen, if you or i or another member of the public made this comment they would at least be subject to an interview. because secret service takes comments like this seriously. they sit down and say listen, please explain your comment. we know if a member of the public went in that same space, they would, at a minimum, be talked to. that gets to just how seriously they view these kinds of things. because, listen, you're a public figure. those comments, they're out there. and even if it's a matter of interpretation, the danger of course is that some people might interpret that as an invitation. and that is the concern that i hear consistently from people in this space. >> the big window that it's left open for interpretation with the
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comments like that. jim, it's great to see you, thank you so much. let's continue the discussion. the author of "buyers remosrsee how obama let progettive ivgres done." carl higby, jonathan, former secret service agent, also the executive director of rain. great to have you here. alice, general michael hayden, john just mentioned him, he said this, you're not just responsible for what you say but what people hear. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. any presidential candidate should know certainly at this stage of the game words matter. he knows what he said. that's something just when we thought we'd have a little more measured campaign, here we have
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another aisle clean-up. he needs to be be a lot more careful. i understand now what he meant. but the fact of -- >> what's your understanding? >> based on what the campaign is now saying is this was a way to engage second amendment supporters as a rationale people, as they would say, would see this as a call to action by second amendment supporters. however there are irrationale people listening that see this as a call to arms and they may take action. after a series of mishaps on the part of donald trump, he needs to apologize if need be, but clarify it a little more distinctionly. there's things to talk about with hillary clinton, gun control, when she's under secret service protection. there are things we can hit on. this is something that needs to be avoided. >> an op-ed essentially saying this is how rabin was killed in
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israel, they created an atmosphere where bad things happened. do you think it's gone that far, bill? >> absolutely. let me disagree with the idea that donald trump was trying to encourage second amendment voters to vote. listen to his words. word for word. talking about what happens after hillary clinton was elected. that's when he said second amendment people should take action. implied either against her or against her judges. words have consequences. violent words have violence consequences. i don't believe trump was inciting people to violence but there are some unhinged people out there the who are going to hear that and see that as an inva tation to pick up their gun and take action because they believe the government or the politicians are not doing their job. this is dangerous stuff. it is way over the line.
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i got to at the you, one other thing, i go to the white house almost every day for the briefings. if i made know joke like that walking into the northwest gate of the white house, i'd be in the back of a van being drillled by secret service agents. >> we'll get the take of a secret service agent. car carl, your take. >> if words matter, when hillary clinton alluded to the potential assassination against barack obama when she was running against him. joe biden before he was vice president alluded to nobody could come and take his guns and if they did they'll have to meet him. these are things that -- there's historical precedence for this. so it's okay for the receipt receipt on their side but donald trump doesn't allude to assassination, doesn't allude to anything except mobiling the 100 million person movement of the second amendment people to get engaged in this election. there's no mention of violence -- >> he's talking about after the election, please --
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>> hold on. >> in 2008 when hillary clinton made that statement about, you know, rfk was assassinated, the press went after her hard. it was just a response like this. and she ended up apologizing. >> she did apologize. >> to the kennedy family after that so she had words about it afterwards. you can say he should or shouldn't. i'm just telling you the facts here. former secret service agent here, we want your take because now you've heard a lot of people say if a regular person said this, the secret service would be talking to them. >> you're absolutely right, those statements were made in the past. but this is a potential threat in current time. we have to address this and we have to look at his statements and understand really what was the intent of his statements and how are his statements going to be interpreted by, you know, his followers, are they going to interpret it to, you know, a call to arms or are they going to really understand what he's now clarifying as a statement around, you know, the second
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amendment in support of the second amendment. i think donald trump really has an opportunity here to look presidential. i mean, to your point, get ahead of this. come out truly explain. not through your campaign, not through surrogates but mr. trump, come out and explain. because this is gaining momentum. he has an opportunity to come out and stop this rhetoric and stop any interpretation of what he meant -- >> john what happened in the -- what happens now? what's the conversation, give us a little window in here. what's the conversation within the secret service. do they need to question him when they come out and the statement is we're aware of the statements he made, what does that mean? >> what it means is that, you know, joe clancy, the director of the secret service, you know, heard those statements and he has a problem that's now sitting on his desk. he has one candidate potentially, you know, having threatening language towards another protectee of the secret service -- >> he's clarified --
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>> let me ask this, donald trump last night said no one in this room thought anything but political. as a former secret service agent, do you take those words as potentially dangerous? >> i do. they have to be -- they have to be run out. we have to -- >> doesn't that matter carl when a secret service agent who's tasked -- >> the words have consequences -- >> do you take the words as the threat or the potential interpretation of a crazy person as a threat? >> i'll take the totality of the circumstances as a threat. i'll take the entire thing and i will run through a process. >> you know, what about his clarification he's passed the last few days, the last few hours, i'm sorry? >> you know, the question was at the time that this was evolving, at the time when the secret service made that statement, you know, he now has the ability to come out and clarify it. we're sitting here today at 11:00. this is more than 14 hours later. still debating this. >> right. >> the issue's not done. it's not going away. donald trump as the presidential candidate for the republican
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party has to end it. he has to clarify that statement and move on. to his point, he can jump on and continue on. hey, makes me look good with the second amendment followers, get that. >> i say clearly the campaign, they're frustrating with the continued media coverage of this. as a communications person, i would recommend certainly have him be the one to come out and put an end to this. i have his team and his surrogates come out there and talk about it. he needs to clarify it and move on. there's plenty of things to talk about. we have less than 90 days to go in this election. time to turn the tide. target number one is policy also of hillary clinton. >> and that's not breaking through right now. >> bill, final thought. >> i was just going to say, the biggest joke of all is to blame this on the media. i mean, come on, kate, you and i were together on monday in new york. we always talked about donald trump's economic policy, but how long would he get us off track by saying something outrageous and stepping on his foot again.
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well, now he's done it. i mean this is not the media's fault. all we do are play his statements over and over again. i think this campaign has bailed down to, now, not poll i policies but which candidate has the temperament to be president and only one of them does and it's not donald trump. >> new e-mails and questions for hillary clinton. did the clinton foundation ignore boundaries with the state department. >> and also this, the battle is on for the battleground states. a big lead for hillary clinton in pennsylvania. is pennsylvania out of the question for donald trump now? how does trump close the gap? we'll be right back. see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me.
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a new batch of questions for hillary clinton. a conservative watchdog group released nearly 300,000 emays from the days hillary clinton was secretary of state and these e-mails raise questions about the clinton's foundations influence at the state department. >> hillary clinton's campaign says the e-mails did not involve hillary clinton and had nothing to do with her work at the state department. donald trump's campaign says the e-mails have everything to do with hillary clinton. pamela brown is with us. she was looking -- has within lo been looking into this. >> some of these heavily redacted e-mails do raise questions about the clinton foundations influence on the state department during
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clibten's tclibt e clinton's tenure. in one instance, doug bain seemed to lobby aides for a position. and band is reassured by abadin that personnel has been sending option options. then another e-mail where band directs them to put a lebanese billionaire and clinton foundation donor in contact with the state department's substance person on lebanon. saying, as you know, he's a key guy there and to us and is loved in lebanon, very important. now, these e-mails were not in the initial batch of e-mails clinton's team turned over to the state department. it's unclear why that was. they were obtained in a freedom of information act lawsuit. the trump campaign has seized on this new batch of e-mails. the clinton campaign says
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there's no indication of foul play. saying neither of these e-mails involve the secretary or relate to the foundation's work. important to work here, we know the investigation into clinton a 's use of a private e-mail server did not lead to charges, the clinton foundation was not part of that investigation. back to you. >> the fbi director said in his testimony he would not say whether the clinton foundation is being investigated separately, we just don't know. >> i can tell you, i can tell you from my law enforcement sources that about a little over a year ago the justice department looked into whether it should investigate the clinton foundation. at that time, not sufficient evidence to open up a case. especially with these new e-mails coming to light. >> important context, pamela brown, thank you. more with hillary clinton supporter and democratic strategist trace seffel. and national spokesman for the
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ted cruz campaign rod nart. and clinton supporter chris novak. when you have the clint foundation, doug band, a man you know, an official from the clinton foundation saying it's important to take care of someone in an e-mail to the state department, how can you not interpret that as the clint foundation asking for a favor from the state department? >> john, you were talking about context just a moment ago. i think this entire story should be placed in the broader context of where we are at in this presidential campaign. to your question, let me just saying, these e-mails didn't even involve hillary clinton. she wasn't on them. this isn't about her. but this is just an ongoing relentless pursuit of nothing. none of these investigations are turning up anything. it's not even clear what we're talking about anymore. meanwhile, look at what's happening with donald trump -- >> hang on, tracy -- >> hang on about that --
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>> but we're talking about e-mails. >> was the clinton foundation asking the state department for a favor and when abadin responded the favor was a job we all have him on our radar, personnel has been sending him options, were they responding to that favor. that's all i'm asking. >> i have no idea. >> ron, to tracy's point, when the campaign says -- >> i don't think this is an issue, i'm not -- i'm not seeing this as an issue. >> okay, donald trump campaign, they are making it an issue. the clinton campaign says, ron, that none of this involves hillary clinton, just as tracy said. do they have a point? >> how does it not involve hillary clinton? her name is on the foundation. this is a clinton foundation initiative. i think what this gets to the heart of is the fact when you are the secretary of state and you have a foundation that bears your name, that is going around the world, raising money from foreign leaders and people who have a direct interest in u.s.
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foreign policy, the conflict of interest is inherrant. whether it's a clinton foundation donor or somebody important to the activities of this foundation, they have special accession to people in the state department because of hillary clinton's role as secretary of the state. another major error in judgment to have this, where the conflict of interest is clear. the second major error in judgment. you cannot have a situation where potential donors or people have a back door into u.s. foreign policy through the state department via a private foundation. that's completely inappropriate. we see the type of problems that creates in the e-mail type of traffic that's just been releelgsed. >> tracy, let me just ask you, explain to me the relationship, then, revealed in these e-mails between the clinton foundation and the state department. what would an appropriate relationship between the foundation and the state department be?
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>> john, i can't answer that question. i'm not sure that anyone cares, outside of this conversation or in the circles that judicial watch lives in. i just don't see what is the issue here. >> chris, putting it into context -- >> i just don't -- >> i think there's a -- >> -- tracy doesn't see a point to it. >> looking at this, i always thought the clinton foundation e-mails would be a bigger problem for hillary clinton then the classified e-mails. i don't think anybody thinks hillary intentionally put classified information at risk and exposed it. it was a mistake, it was negligence. but as far as these foundational relationships, i think people can believe she may have, you know, given access or favors in exchange for huge contributions to the clinton foundation. it seems perfectly plausible. not only this case of a job perhaps being offered. you have the russian uranium
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deal. the cases of money from very wealthy african donors. perceived to how lightly the department treads with certain activities in africa. it's a potential problem for her because it fits the message of the trump campaign she's corrupt and might be willing to take money for a deal. the other thing, it cuts into her strong suit. what's hillary clinton's strongest suit in this campaign? foreign policy, right? she's saying i'm the better person in charge of foreign policy. trump can now retort, these e-mails show you are selling out to the highest bidder. >> chris, you would rather be talking about this than donald trump's statements on the second amendment, which a lot of people think were a call for violence, do you think that donald trump is ul itting focus unnecessarily away from what you think would be more important issues? >> i think donald trump speaks off the cuff a lot. when he made that statement about the second amendment, he's reacting to the crowd. you can tell the crowd's shouting things and he's saying things back.
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i read that as saying the supreme court's going to take away your second amendment rights, nothing you can do about it. the second amendment folks maybe. i think he means the nra and congress. congress still has to pass a bill confiscating or prohibiting weapons and he's saying the nra will be able to stop that. i think it's overblown to suggest that was an assassination threat. >> it's so fascinating. democrats think the e-mails are overblown. republicans think donald trump supporters think the talk yesterday was overblown. i think we're in the middle of a presidential election. thanks, appreciate your time. >> you bet. >> coming up for us, the man conservatives saw as the white knight for the republican party. so what does the man they first hoped would take on donald trump think of the man who is now taking on donald trump? we'll ask him next. and then georgia, it is on someone's mind. hillary clinton allegedly getting ready to spend real money in an historically red
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race. evan mcmullin. but before mcmullin there was another. >> constitutional attorney and writing for the conservative national review david french. and david french is joining us now. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> this could have been you, my friend, following this boomlet of evan mcmullin. any regrets? >> it was the right decision for me not to jump in but you know what, good for him. if he's on the ballot in tennessee, i'm positive at this point, knowing what i know about him compared to the other candidates, i would vote for him and vote for him happily. >> if we can ask you about what's been in the news over last 20 hours or so donald trump making the statement suggesting that second amendment supporters might take matters into their own hands what was your interpretation of that statement? >> you know, it's honestly embarrassing to watch republicans argue he was talking
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about mobilizing second amendment voters. it was painfully obvious assassination reference. i don't think he was seriously making a call for hillary clinton to be assassinated. i think he was speaking from context it was obvious and what you do when you put your foot in your mouth like that is you apologize immediately. instead, you've got all of these republicans out there embarrassing themselves trying to excuse the statement that was in context about assassination. you have donald trump who is going to do what donald trump does, which is never make things better. always make things worse. it's deja vu all over again. >> david, you say they're embarrassing themselves as they try to explain it away. what do you say to republicans out there who continue to criticize donald trump and say that what he's been saying in pass examples is beyond the pale but do not unendorse. do not pull back their endorsements and are standing
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behind him. people like paul ryan. >> the same thing applies. at what point does he say something? is it attacking a gold star family and then doubling down on those attacks? is it attacking a judge because his parents are from mexico? is it making a comment or reference to assassination? at what point does self-respect come in, some sense of proportion and moral morally co and he's not my guy. i use the word embarrassing. it's embarrassing. it will haunt the conservative movement for years. >> you say it's embarrassing for donald trump. are you embarrassed by the republicans sticking by him then and what will the long-term consequences for them be? >> i'm saying specifically -- i've been embarrassed by donald trump for months. i'm embarrassed right now for the republicans who continue to stick by him knowing who he is and what he stands for and
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knowing that he stands for no principle higher than his own self-advancement. any movement that will sell itself out to such a man even when it is now obvious that he is doing better than anyone else at defeating donald trump. trump is defeating himself every single day. you begin to wonder what is the spiritual core of such a movement and that's a fair question for voters to ask in future years if gop politicians don't rediscover a spine here. >> what is your direct message to paul ryan then, david? >> unendorse. unendorse. look, i don't think he's listening to me. i don't think he particularly cares what i have to say. i can't imagine a serious conservative -- >> everyone says that paul ryan is a conservative. you agree with that, yes? >> absolutely. i respect paul ryan in many, many ways. i do not respect this choice
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that he's made here. i wish and i hope that he can unmake this decision before it's too late. >> new york daily news and some commentators said donald trump should drop out of the race. is that a subject worth discussing or is that just selling newspapers? >> that's just selling newspapers. if there's one thing we learned about donald trump is that donald trump pursues his own self-interest relentlessly and dropping out at this point would be a humiliation for him, a humiliation for his family. he's not going to do -- he humiliates himself in his mind unintentionally. this would be an intentional act of self-destruction he's not going to make. that's selling newspapers. i would be stunned and amazed if he dropped out on his own. >> we have been stunned and amazed by much in this election cycle. david french, great to see you. the clinton campaign now
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depending on who you talk to, georgia and arizona are either republican red through and through maybe turning swing state purple or possibly looking more blue than anything else or maybe they're the states that are latest pawns in the political game of roulette. >> hillary clinton's campaign thinks the trump campaign is vulnerable in those states so they plan to expand operations in both. rebecca, prove it. prove it. how much money is the clinton campaign about to spend in georgia? how many people do you have working for her there in that state right now? >> the clinton campaign has already been on the ground in georgia for a few weeks. details will be forthcoming about this expanded investment that they'll make in georgia. >> tell us now. >> i don't have those details now. i can tell you that the state
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party itself has expanded with our new program. we hired more than 30 people in the last two months. we are opening satellite offices throughout the state and have some of the nation's best field operatives heading our program. >> when is hillary clinton going to next campaign in georgia? >> right now we have cory booker coming in this weekend. we are having the who's who list of surrogates come through on georgia and i can't wait to see what the next the 90 days brings. >> there a plan to have hillary clinton in georgia? >> not that i'm aware of. we're focused on the cory booker event this saturday and building out a program over the next 90 days. >> former congressman from georgia, now a trump adviser, jack kingston, he was on last week. we asked him. he said georgia is absolutely not turning blue. he also had this to say. listen. >> i hope that hillary clinton
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spends a lot of time in georgia and spends a lot of money because that will free up our resources to go to pennsylvania, florida and other states. you know, i'm laughing at this in the back room. i know it makes a good story for the clinton campaign. it's kind of icing on the cake of maybe a good week for them. the reality is it is an absolute fantasy. >> an absolute fantasy. what say you? >> i'm okay if they want to continue to think that until november. the polls over the past month have shown time and time again that not only is georgia in play but clinton is leading. we have continued to close the gap cycle after cycle. president obama got 47% of the vote without any significant presidential investment. in the past eight years, we have done nothing more but trend toward a more democratic electorate. we feel very confident that we're going to be able to bring this home for hillary clinton this november. >> rebecca dehart, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me.
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>> we'll see you in georgia. thank you all for joining us. hi, everybody. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." if we're not in the homestretch in the race for president, we can see it from here. election day is just 90 days away and we're now in day two of the latest self-inflicted controversy enveloping the campaign of donald trump. the republican nominee for president of the united states is denying that he tried to instigate armed violence against the democratic nominee. our coverage begins with this report from cnn's jason carroll. >> reporter: donald trump on the defensive again. >> there canno

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