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donald trump's still battling the fallout from his second amendment remarks about hillary clinton.
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this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. the secret service talking to the trump campaign but trump denying any conversations took place. clinton slamming trump on the campaign trail in iowa, telling supporters that words matter and that trump's remarks crossed a line. a lot to get to tonight. but the first person i want to talk to is dan rather, host of access tv's "the big interview." i almost said cnn's dan rather. i want you to listen to the man who is behind donald trump at the rally, what he told my colleague brooke baldwin earlier. here it is. >> say something about what i think is a critical -- >> well, trump has got a very unique personality, and he makes jokes off the cuff. and one of the things had we had a chance to talk to him, i would have taken him to the shed.
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down here in the south, we don't curse in front of women, we don't drink liquor in front of the preacher and we don't make jokes like that in public. now, you may do things in private, we may go to the shed and drink some moonshine or something like that, but we would have taken mr. trump to the shed and said don't say things like that because people will misconstrue it. >> so he said he thought it was a joke. you didn't find that a joke, even if there was one particularly? >> no, and i think most people do not see it as a joke, even people inclined to like donald trump. it's under the heading of i don't mind you serving me broccoli, just don't try to make me think it's bacon. it was not a joke. it was not intended as a joke. words do matter. each time donald trump says one of these outrageous things, there's a tendency on some people's part to take the view, well, he didn't mean that, he
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didn't think that through. look, words matter. the rhetoric is the candidate. this is where the candidate lives. make your judgment accordingly but don't kid yourself that it's a joke or something that will just be brushed aside. >> paul ryan last night won his primary and gave his speech and said i didn't see it but i thought it was a joke, he sort of brushed it off as a joke gone wrong and then the campaign isn't saying it's a joke, some surrogates are saying it's a joke but the official response is he was trying to motivate second amendment voters. does that make sense to you? >> no. i don't think it passes the smell test to any intelligent person. we understand paul ryan is walking a fine line. paul ryan, at some point he has to acknowledge what donald trump is saying, he doesn't agree with it, either that or he has to undergo history's judgment. >> you said by any objective analysis, this is a new low and unprecedented in the the history of american presidential politics.
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this ask no longer about policy, decency or even temperament. this is a direct threat of violence against a political rival. it is not just against the norms of american politics. it raises a serious question of whether it is against the law. to anyone who still pretends this is a normal election of republican against democrat, history is watching and i suspect its verdict will be harsh. listen, you covered a lot of presidential campaigns, and in this one i just read an article that said the media is going to be judged on -- and i'm sort of paraphrasing here on fake objectivity, that when someone is outrageous, we have a responsibility to point out the outrageousness and not necessarily point to the other side to what is a false equivalency. what do you think? >> i try to be an objective and fair reporter, pull no punches, play no favorites.
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but in a campaign such as this, this campaign is unique so far in its incivility, and lack of decency. there comes a point when you have to say, folks, this is unusual for a presidential campaign. and, number two, any time you suggest gun violence, there is this long swath of history, john kennedy was assassinated, martin luther king was assassinated, then robert kennedy was assassinated, the list goes on. and ronald reagan almost killed by an assassination. each time it on took one gunman. who knows what rhetoric, who knows what motivated those people? we know this language is
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unacceptable. i grew up in texas. i grew up in a gun culture. i've had guns in my hand since i was 5 or 6 years old. for a lot of people who are very strong for the second amendment, what donald trump says about the second amendment reflects badly on them because it goes into the stereotype that everybody in support of the second amendment is gun crazy and some sort of nutjob looking for a target, and that's not the case. >> here's what hillary clinton had to say. >> let me say something about what i think is a critical difference between my opponent and myself. words matter, my friends. and if you are running to be president or you are president of the united states, words can have tremendous consequences. yesterday we witnessed the
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latest in a long line of casual comments from donald trump that crossed the line. his casual cruelty to a gold star family, his casual suggestion that more countries should have nuclear weapons. and now his casual inciting of violence. every single one of these incidents shows us that donald trump simply does not have the temperament to be president and commander in chief of the united states. >> as you have said, this is anything but a normal election. is hillary clinton now running this the right way to win in november? >> well, we'll see in november of course. she's made her mistakes. i expect she'll make mistakes ahead. i said before i thought donald trump could win. i still think he could win. i do agree ever since what she called the cruelty to the family who lost their son in iraq,
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beginning with that, i do think something's beginning to turn. >> was that the turning point you believe? >> i think it was the beginning of a turning point. and i think what he said about gun violence is also part of that turning point. i don't think the turn has been completed. this is a guess on my part. because remember that trump stands apart from what the wall street journal calls trumpism. he still has touched a nerve in the country of people who are angry, fearful, resentful, demanding change. as long as that's still out there, you can see there's still a strong feeling about that that we have to have change and hillary clinton doesn't represent change. we're still just in august but this much i can say looking at donald trump's campaign anywhere near an objective analysis how different it would have been if he had apologized to the khan family almost immediately and said, look, i said something i shouldn't have said, i'm sorry,
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and said something very respectful. if he had turned around yesterday in the hours after he said the gun statement, if he said, look, i shouldn't have said that, that's a dangerous thing to say, i apologize for it and move on. it wouldn't have erased it all but it would have helped him tremendously. what i can't figure out is for someone as smart as donald trump is, and i knew him for years, he keeps doing these things that make you think he's parachuted into the land of the stupid. i don't understand that. >> i any what he doesn't realize is because he's touched a they have been with team in the country that it doesn't inoculate him from criticism and responsibility. >> no. >> another batch of e-mails that many people believe shows too cozy of a relationship between
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the state department and the clinton foundation. the trump campaign says this is corruption. do you agree it's corruption? >> i'd leave that for the voters to decide. i don't think it the last we've heard. these e-mails and the dribbling out of details about the e-mails have been hurtful. this is hurtful and the e-mails to come will no doubt be hurtful. >> i want to get your reaction of what happened tonight with mark foley at a trump rally. let's look at it again. >> you think you have the best location, right? and do you in one way. but the people behind me, they're all on television. they're going to be famous. they're going to be famous. and, by the way, speaking of that, wasn't it terrible when the father of the animal that killed the wonderful people in orlando was sitting with a big smile on his face right behind hillary clinton.
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and, by the way, including a lot of the people here, how many of you people know me? a lot of you people know me. when you get those seats, you sort of know the campaign. so when she said, well, we didn't know. he knew, they knew. >> i mean, this is happening just a couple of days after the orlando shooter's father was right behind hillary clinton in the very same spot. >> well, i have no explanation for that. best you can say it's certainly not helpful. but with donald trump, anything to change the subject from his statements about guns he thinks is helpful to him and i think in this case it is at least marginally helpful. >> you think he -- because he's known mark foley for years. mark foley wrote about knowing him for years. do you think he did that to change the subject possibly? >> i do. i think it was all about he's desperate to change the subject. he knows what he said about guns and the second amendment is extremely hurtful. you know, you've had him on this
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program a couple of times. donald trump is all about changing the subject and commanding every news cycle. so anything, no matter how outrageous and ridiculous, and, frankly, it pretty hard not to laugh at what we just saw. >> exactly. >> if it wasn't for the severity of the two men behind him and what they did. >> exactly. >> thank you. >> thank you, don. >> it's always a pleasure. mr. dan rather, thank you so much. >> up next, trump's second amendment remarks appear to be part of a maneuver he has been using throughout his campaign.
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donald trump's remarks about second amendment people and hillary clinton causing a lot of uproar but maybe that's intentional? here's tom foreman. tom? >> hey, don. once again donald trump has released scalding headlines with one of his comments and once again he has an explanation. >> she's one of the wealthiest women in politics. >> even as the nra rolls out a
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tough attack on hillary clinton, donald trump has stolen the spotlight with his own comment about how she might regulate guns. >> if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> reporter: now he's insisting that was no call for violence, but this is a maneuver trump has used repeatedly, make an explosive statement, watch headlines erupt and then play defense. method one, declare it was a joke. >> i will tell you this -- russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> reporter: he did that when challenged over what appeared to be an invitation for a foreign power to hack into clinton's e-mails. >> of course i'm being sarcastic. >> reporter: method two, say it was a misunderstanding. remember his dispute with fox
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reporter megyn kelly? >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, out of her wherever. >> reporter: trump later tweeted he meant her nose and dismissed criticing who thought otherwise as december gusting. and he took a similar tact when he wanted a judge of mexican descent off of a lawsuit that involved trump. >> this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building a wall. >> reporter: once again, trump argued his statements were misconstrued as racist. and method three, deny any ill intent. a new poll shows no trump attack has troubled voters more than when he mocked a disabled reporter. but trump insists he never did what so many thought they saw. >> i didn't know that he was disabled. i didn't know it. i didn't know it at all. >> reporter: through it all, trump has complained he's being hammered by a double standard. if i say something that's off one way or another, it gets
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massive publicity. if somebody else does it, nobody cares. to be fair, these defenses are used by almost all politicians at one time or another. it's just that trump seems to be doing it more often than usual and after much more incendiary comments. >> tom foreman, thank you very much. i want to bring in tim o'brien, the executive editor of bloomberg view and author of trump nation. forest epstein is a senior adviser to trump's campaign. michael d'antonio is an author of "the truth about trump." i want to start with you, boris. can you admit this is a pattern with donald trump that he says these things and then he doesn't own up to them? >> we could dissect each one but that's probably not a good use of anyone's time. politicians definitely have a way of conducting themselves.
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for a year now, donald trump was a politician. each one of those on its own was not a big of a deal. of course, it's a narrative being driven by the media. >> what's the big deal about john mccain as a war hero because he was captured, megyn kelly had blood coming out of her wherever. the second amendment thing, those weren't big deal, the khan family wasn't a big deal? >> the utmost respect to captain khan and for their sacrifice. they went to the dnc and attacked donald trump. he has a right to respond. no issue there. if you want to talk about what he said about megyn kelly, you have to take him at his word for what he actually meant. >> it seems to be a pattern,
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that he says these things and doesn't -- if he clarifies the second amendment, i'd give an interview if the pattern is saying things and then being asked about them -- >> he clarified the second amendment thing. >> it's not a pattern? >> if the pattern is -- >> is it a pattern that he doesn't own up to? >> he doesn't have to own up to anything. it's a narrative -- >> that's not the answer to my question. is it a pattern he is owning up to or not? >> what do you mean by owning up? >> it's self-explanatory. yes or no. you can say, yes, it is a pattern or -- >> i can say whatever i want to say. >> if you look at each one of those examples that was used, if he explained it the way he knows how and to the best of his abilities. >> okay. >> don, what are we going to talk about now?
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>> it is like an olympic challenge or routine getting people to just answer questions directly when it comes to donald trump. >> i think i did. >> no, you didn't. i asked you if it was a pattern he was owning up or not owning up to. >> i'm not going to tell you he did anything wrong. >> he did do something wrong. he's clearly done something wrong. it's not that it's just a pattern. he's been doing this for the better part of 40 years. he plays with sensationalist issues, he appeals to bigotry, he appeals to violence and he walks things right up to that point and then he'll deny them later. but what he's made possible is for people to be comfortable with racist remarks, comfortable with the notions of violence. >> a racist remark? >> yeah. >> i think everything he said
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about the judge was a racist. bigotry, racism, sensationalism. define it any way you want. [ overlapping speakers ] boris, give me a chance to speak. >> let him speak, boris. >> you know, i think that he exploits some of the electorate and his supporters and his audience's worst sentiments about race and violence. and he knows he's doing it. >> how do you know he knows? >> because he's doing it for so long. he's a master at exploiting -- >> more voters than ever in the history of the primaries -- >> that doesn't mean they're right. it doesn't mean all those 14 million voters agree with everything he says. there were 50 republican people who were security experts who come out. many republicans have come out and denounced donald trump's statements. >> over 100 congressmen are
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supporting him. >> you can't deny there are other conservatives that are not supporting him. >> just saying that they are racist statements or statements of bigotry without giving me concrete examples -- [ overlapping speakers ] this are some that can be deemed as, you know, whatever phobia you want to put on it. >> it could be construed one way or another. >> but he's introduced a whole -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> when you're running for president of the united states, the standards are here and not here. >> so let's talk about hillary clinton. >> michael, you spent time with trump. you followed him and studied him for years. when did he get into this habit of making unsubstantiated claims and accusations? >> at least as far back as the 1980s. you know, anyone who has dealt
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with a child who is a bully understands what donald does. he says something terrible, he says i didn't mean it, it was a joke. if that doesn't work, he trots out someone to make excuses for him as we're hearing boris for him. he's been saying bigoted things for at least 25 years. he's a guy whose entire political interests has been to challenge president obama's legitimacy as president of the united states. he pushed the birther issue and that was a blatantly racist campaign. >> because trump sued you for defamation after you wrote a book that was his estimated wealth was not nearly his claims. then went on to lose the case. you said it's a very clear and
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visible side effect of my lawyers questioning of trump, is that he was revealed a routine -- you called him a habitual fabulist. >> he's told stories about his business record, his wealth, his family history that is completely out of sorts with reality throughout his whole career. this isn't a new phenomenon. i actually don't think he can help himself. he's gotten a lot of traction -- out of, you know, spinning tall tales about his record and attacking pretty viscerally anybody who opposes him. >> boris, you'll get a chance to respond when we come back. we'll be right back. what the??? you're welcome. i just helped you dodge a bullet. but i was just checking my... shhh... don't you know that checking your credit score lowers it! just be cool. actually, checking your credit score with credit karma doesn't affect it at all.
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donald trump battling the fallout of his second amendment comments, hillary clinton saying words matter and he crossed a line. back with me now is my panel. trump's second amendment remarks isn't the first time he's cha
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claimed his comments were misunderstood. all of these next comments are things he later said he didn't say or he had said were taken out of context or he had to walk back later. >> she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you could see there was blood coming out of his eyes, blood coming out of her whatever. you got to see this poor guy, ah, i don't remember what i said, ah, i don't remember! >> do you believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no, as a principle? >> the answer is there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yes. there has to be some form. ten months, ten years? >> that, i don't know. russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> michael first. you call this trump's way of weaseling. >> this guy, it's almost as if he doesn't understand that he's running for president of the united states. and this people are going to keep track of this stuff.
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that was just a small sampling of it. he once replied to a man in new hampshire who questioned him about terrorist camps and he lets us think that he's saying one thing. he appeals to a certain segment of the electorate. and then the next day or the day after that, somebody walks it back and they clean up after him. but when you're the president of the united states, there are certain things that can't be cleaned up and that's what i think worries a lot of people. >> boris? >> michael and time tim have made a lot of money writing about donald trump. i support donald trump because of his views on national security. we need to protect this country. i disagree with hillary clinton on national security. >> do you support him for anything? when i asked you before, you said none of those things were mistakes. >> as he said things on the trail -- >> that's not an excuse, boris.
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>> but do i agree with him on the issues? absolutely, foreign policy, the economy, national security. [ overlapping speakers ] >> no one is right all the time. are you right all the time? do you say the right thing all the time? >> i'd like to think so. >> i'm willing to admit that about myself. why can't you admit that about somebody else? >> i just said of course on the campaign trail he's said things -- >> how is that an excuse he's only been a politician for a year? >> i'm not questioning his decency, you are. [ overlapping speakers ] >> was it decent what he said about the khan family in >> it was a response and observation. >> it was an attack. >> it was not an attack. [ overlapping speakers ] >> 666 fifth avenue traded
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for -- i'm in real estate. 666 fifth avenue, a couple of boxes trump traded for $3 billion. [ overlapping speakers ] >> wouldn't we know these things if he released his taxes? >> again, from being in business, financial disclosures are much more complete than taxes. would you like him to release them sp >> it's up to him. he's a private individual. >> he's running for president. >> there's no regulation that says he has to release them. >> there's no regulation that says you have to run for president. >> that was a good pivot, but that's not necessarily true.
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>> the financial disclosure form is full of lemons. >> michael, i'm -- >> there's no -- >> michael, i'll give you the last word here. [ overlapping speakers ] >> michael, go ahead. >> one of the things that i've always believed is that people tell you who you are. one of the first things donald trump told me is, i don't respect most people because most people are not worthy of respect. i think that's how he's treating the american voter and how he's treating the facts in this election. >> the voters disagree. >> thank you very much. coming up, donald trump veers off course yet again, but does he have any intention to sticking to a script? cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses.
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a lot of donald trump supporters hearing the second amendment remarks firsthand is darrell bickers, who was sitting behind trump and he joins me now on skype. he's the famous man in the red shirt, and there he is. thank you for staying up late to talk to us. i want to play the comments and your reaction and then we'll talk.
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>> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. but i'll tell you what, that will be a horrible day. >> so you turned to the person sitting next to you, mr. bickers, what were you thinking at that moment? >> exactly what i told her, i said i can't believe he said that. the news media is going to have a heyday out of this one. which was quite a -- quite a jaw dropper. >> yeah. what did you think he meant at the moment? >> he was trying to make a bad joke, and everybody around me laughed. some of them nervously.
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but everyone realized with donald trump's personality that when he has an opportunity, he pursues the joke that will perhaps get him another laugh. >> yeah. you told my colleague this morning or this afternoon, that you wanted to take him out to the wood shed after that comment? >> that's what we do here in the south, you know. i think a lot of us would like to get ahold of some of the news media and do the same thing. but in the south, you know, we don't curse in front of ladies, and we don't drink in front of the preacher, and we don't tell those kind of jokes in public. might do it privately, but mr. trump needed to be taken to the wood shed and have a few things explained to him and told not to make those kind of jokes, because in this day and age,
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people construe them and then it's just not a good idea. >> as a louisiana boy, i've been taken out to the wood shed by my parents. i used to have to get my own switch, but that's neither here or there. but what would you have told him in that wood shed if you had a conversation with him one on one? >> we don't need to say things like that. you see, the problem is that he's got a very strong message. the republican platform is excellent. it's a superior platform, quite capable of correcting the problems here in the united states. if he would just stay on script, it would be fine. when he gets off script and gets a laugh and the crowd encourages him, then he goes a little bit further. but he should not do that. stick to the script. the message that we have to give
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to the american people is a very strong message. and we ought to stick to it. >> i want to ask you, because there's been controversy about who's sitting behind the candidate. were you vetted to sit directly behind donald trump? >> no. there were a bunch of people who received vip passes to sit in the back row, and there were probably 2,000, 3,000 people there. i learned something from a friend of mine, and he always told me to find the news media, find out where their cameras or and see where the speaker's podium is and sit in back of that. i didn't want to do that, but my friend connie said she didn't want to sit by herself. so she invited me up. so all during the speech, i
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looked up at the big screen tv up in the center of the auditorium, and i could never see my picture, so i wasn't aware that i was going to get the kind of attention that i did. >> darrell vickers, thank you. i really enjoyed having you on. and for -- you were so candid. thank you so much for coming on. >> my pleasure. thank you. so let's just bring in the panel now. so he is a delightful man, right? he's an american. he's voting for donald trump, that's his business, but he was honest. he's not spinning. he's been saying exactly what everyone else has been saying, advisers to donald trump. critics of donald trump. if he would just stick to the script, kayleigh. what do you say about that?
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>> there are two ways to interpret the comment. i heard the comment, i heard it one time, i didn't think any of it. i know the nra is a powerful lobby, they will ensure their guns aren't taken away, be it with the supreme court, even if there are liberal justices -- >> what do you make of what he said? he said if he would just stick to the script? >> i didn't consider this not sticking to the script. i understand liberals and some conservatives have interpreted this in a way of that sun seemly, but that's their fault. within 27 minutes of him making the point, he immediately clarified. >> someone on the campaign clarified. go ahead, van. >> yeah, you know, i think that you could interpret the way that you do. i think most people would hear
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something like that and think, even if he didn't mean it, it's so close to the line. here's my concern -- he's become like the andrew dice clay of politics. it's like you wind up in the situation where you're so interested in appealing to the live crowd. but sometimes that performance for the crowd, why go there? listen, that was not on paper. you said stick to the script. that line, that comment i guarantee you was not on paper. and i think what you're seeing now -- >> because it was edited out. >> it's a conflict in this guy between do i want to be president, which requires discipline, or do i want to be a good performer right now? until he revolves that conflict, we're going to have that over and over again. >> bakari? >> i think the comment was so outlandish that we couldn't even get to the root of the lie, which he's been perpetuating
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which is hillary clinton wants to take away your guns. we're 7 1/2 years through the obama presidency and still waiting on the atf to confiscate all these guns. to the issue that we're talking about, i understand what kayleigh is talking about, but that's not necessarily the problem. the problem are those people that did hear it. the problem are those people who may take that comment the wrong way. i can't help but think of somebody like gabby giffords, and i'm not saying donald trump had any intent behind that. i don't think he did have the intent for someone to assassinate hillary clinton. that wasn't his intent at all. but he should at least own that. when he says something like that, he has to own it and say i understand some people may take it this way, but i apologize. that is not what i meant, and that type of language has no place in the political discourse. that's the definition of leadership. >> so matt, mr. vickers was on, he said he wanted to take donald
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trump to the wood shed. what's your comment? >> well, first of all, just the wisdom of an average guy. he perfectly honest, and i think his analysis was spot-on. i think it was a bad joke. i think that he's right and van agrees with this part, that it's about -- you know, donald trump has this narcissistic need to please the immediate crowd. and that comes at the expense of what mr. vickers said he ought to be doing, which is staying on script. don, i was on your show a couple days ago, the day that donald trump gave the speech in detroit about the economy, and i said, it's great, trump, if he does this for the next three months, he could win the election. and he lasted less than 24 hours. >> yeah. >> so -- >> yeah, and then let's see, this is what he said about -- matt, let me get your takeaway here. this fallout over the second amendment, he said media
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desperate to distract from clinton's anti-second amendment stance. i said pro second amendment citizens must organize and get out to vote to save our constitution. that's still not on message. >> if you are talking in a way that someone might think -- just to be fair, if you're talking in a way where someone might think assassinate my opponent, you're just doing it wrong. you shouldn't do it that way. >> we do have to apply the same standard to other candidates. barack obama in 2008 said if you're in a knife fight, bring a gun. >> barack obama is not running. >> but it doesn't matter. >> no, no, no. >> and hillary clinton is running -- >> that's absurd. >> but hey, people can interpret it that way. >> that's a scene from a movie. >> it could be interpreted that
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way. the same standard has to be applied. >> let me help you, kayleigh. we had this incident in 2008 and no, it was not barack obama. in fact, it was hillary clinton, who made this very crass remark about kennedy and the kennedy assassination. no, she wasn't saying go assassinate barack obama, but the remark was very crass. and i beat her up on it. i know the media took her to task on it. and she owned it. she apologized. she moved forward. she lost the election, but at least she said, this remark was something that was out of bounds. that's a better parallel. but what one candidate shows you is leadership by owning it. the other one by trying to tell people, you didn't hear that. >> we'll be right back.
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we're back now with my payable. this one goes tod kayleigh. we've been talking about the father of the orlando shooter sitting behind hillary clinton. and then the disgraced congressman sitting behind donald trump. he resigned after he had
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sexually explicit text messages to teenage boys. do you still maintain your statement that these people are vetted? >> i definitely think both campaigns are going to be vetting now, as they should. having siddeeq mateen sit behind you, who is pro-taliban, very anti-gay and says gay also be punished, this is not the person you want sitting behind you. i'm asked constantly, why does david duke support your candidate? i think hillary clinton should be held to the same standard. >> that's a good question. so why was someone who sent sexually explicit texts to teenagers sitting behind -- >> he's a former republican congressman. i couldn't want either sitting behind me. >> is there a difference here? >> i think sometimes the
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imperfect happens. the problem is, donald trump decided to make this massive deal about it, and just to rub her nose in it and jump up and down and turn around and say, all you people are my friends and know me. one of them is a pedophile. so it's like, maybe we should stick to the issues. maybe on all sides. i think it was a very unfortunate moment for the trump campaign. >> matt? >> i just think it's also a microcosm. we've got two bad candidates and apparently two bad campaigns. there's no way george w. bush would let his team, they wouldn't let this happen. this would not have happened to barack obama. i find it highly unlikely that that very competent team would allow this to happen. it's malpractice. >> bakari, i'll give you the last word here. >> no, i mean, you wouldn't defend mateen sitting behind
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hillary clinton or congressman foley sitting behind donald trump. anyone who says one is better than the other isn't paying attention. both campaigns have to tighten up. but for the hillary clinton campaign, i will say this has been a campaign unlike in 2008 where many people had a lot of issues, that's why yesterday it was so out of the ordinary. i'm glad she disavowed his support. >> we'll be right back. . . .
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thank you to my panel. that's it for me. "early start" finishes right now. donald trump refusing to budge. he says he wasn't trying to inn cite violence with the second amendment. hillary clinton now responding to the trump comments as she prepares to layout her vision for the economy. how is it different from trump's plan? and another gold in the pool for team usa. the women's relay team with plenty to celebrate, but one individual swimmer missing out on her chance for olympic glory. we will tell you who. good morning. welcome to early start. i'm ryan

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