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student debt by making it easier to refinance and repay what you owe as a portion of your income so you don't have to pay more than you can afford. it is just not right that donald trump can ignore his debts, but students and families can't refinance their debt. and here's something else that i really want to emphasize. i don't think anybody in america's talking about this enough. and that is a four-year degree should not be the only path to a good job in america. you should be able to learn a skill, practice a trade, make a good living doing it. so many americans have the talent and the will to succeed, whether they're kids right out of high school or older people
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displaced by automation and outsourcing. and for too long, big promises have the power of training and re-training haven't delivered like they should. it doesn't help anybody to be trained for a job that doesn't exist. so here's what we're going to do. we will support high-quality union training programs. we will propose -- we will propose new tax credits to encourage more companies to offer paid apprenticeships that let you earn while you learn. we will do more, including a national campaign to dignify skills training across the board. i think we've got to reverse what has become a kind of common place view, which is everybody
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needs to go to college. well, in fact, more than half of the jobs that are going to be available in 2020 do not require a college four-year degree. so for welders and machinists and tool and die makers and health technicians, and coders and so many others, let's get the word out, there are really good jobs for people right now, and there will be more in the future if you get the skills in high school, at community college, in an apprenticeship or other training program. and i want to acknowledge the great role that the community college here at mccomb county has played in working with companies like this one to make sure people do have the skills. now, i imagine some of you might
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be thinking, well, that all sounds good. well, what about trade? after all, trump talks about it all the time. well, let's start with this. it is true that too often past trade deals have been sold to the american people with rosy scenarios that did not pan out. those promises now ring hollow in many communities across michigan and our country that have seen factories close and jobs disappear. too many companies lobbied for trade deals so they could sell products abroad, but then they instead moved abroad and sold back into the united states. it is also true that china and other countries have gamd the s system for too long. enforcement, particularly during the bush administration, has been too lax. investments at home that would make us more competitive have been completely blocked in
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congress. and american workers and communities have paid the price. but the answer is not to rant and rave or cut ourselves off from the world. that would end up killing even more jobs. the answer is to finally make trade work for us, not against us. so my message to every worker in michigan and across america is this -- i will stop any trade deal that kills jobs or holds down wages, including the transpacific partnership. i oppose it now, i'll oppose it after the election, and i'll oppose it as president. as a senator from new york, i fought to defend new york's manufacturers and steel makers from unfair chinese trading
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practices, and i opposed the only multi-lateral trade deal that came before the senate while i was there because it didn't meet my high bar. and as secretary of state, i fought hard for american businesses to get a fair shot around the world and to stop underhanded trading practices like currency manipulation and the theft of intellectual property. so as president, i will stand up to china and anyone else who tries to take advantage of american workers and companies. i'm going to ramp up enforcement by appointing for the first time a chief trade prosecutor. i will triple the number of enforcement officers. and when countries break the rules, we won't hesitate to impose targeted tariffs.
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now, mr. trump may talk a big game on trade, but his approach is based on fear, not strength. fear that we can't compete with the rest of the world, even when the rules are fair. fear that our country has no choice but to hide behind walls. if team usa was as fearful as trump, michael phelps and simone biles would be cowering in the locker room, afraid to come out and compete! instead, they're winning gold medals. america isn't afraid to compete. right now thousands of michigan companies are exporting billions of dollars of products around the world. we want them to sell even more
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and create even more jobs here at home. but corporations should not abandon profitable operations here in the united states to move abroad just to give shareholders a quicker return. ceos a bigger bonus. and unions a weaker hand to play. now, before he tweets -- [ laughter and applause ] -- about how he's really the one who will put america first in trade, let's remember where trump makes many of his own products. because it sure is not america! he's made trump ties in china and trump suits in mexico instead of here in michigan.
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he keeps saying it's not possible to make these things in america anymore. that's just wrong. so we created a website. hillary clint it here. on it, on it we list 100 places across the united states that are already producing similar goods. now one positive thing trump could do to make america great again is actually make great things in america again. [ applause ] the next question is which candidate will fight for fairness, and this is an urgent need. we need to grow the economy, and we need to make it fairer. the tide is not rising fast enough, and it is certainly not lifting all votes. since the crash, too many of the gains have gone to the top 1%. the rules and incentives in our
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system reward corporations for putting short-term stock prices above long-term investments and their workers, equipment and research. while corporate profits are at near-record highs, paychecks for most people have barely budged. incomes aren't growing fast enough to keep up with the costs of living like prescription drugs and child care. i believe that every employee from the ceo suite to the factory floor contributes to a business' success. so everybody should share in the rewar rewards, especially those putting in long hours for little pay. so i'm proposing a new tax credit to encourage more companies to share profits with workers and more broadly, we will fight for a more progressive, more patriotic tax code that puts american jobs first. right now, when a corporation
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outsources jobs and production, it could write off the costs. we must stop that, and we must make them pay back any tax breaks they ever received from any level of government in our country. and for those that move their headquarters overseas to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, they're going to have to pay a new exit tax. if they want to go, they're going to have to pay to go. [ applause ] and wall street corporations and the super rich should finally pay their fair share of taxes. that's why i support the so-called buffett rule. because multi-millionaires should not be able to pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries.
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we should also add a new tax on multi-millionaires. crackdown on tax gaming by corporations, and close the carried interest loophole, something i have advocating for years. now, compare what trump says. now there is a myth out there that he will stick it to the rich and powerful because somehow he's really on the side of the little guy. don't believe it. not when he pledges to rip up basic rules that hold corporations accountable. when he wants to scrap regulations that stop polluters from poisoning the air our children breathe and the water we drink. let insurance companies write their own rules again. trump would roll back the tough rules that we have imposed on the financial industry.
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i'll do the opposite. i think we should strengthen those rules so wall street can never wreck main street again. [ applause ] trump even wants to abolish the consumer financial protection bureau, a new agency that has already returned more than $11 billion to 25 million americans who were taken advantage of by corporations. why would you get rid of that? and then there is trump's tax plan. he would give trillions in tax cuts to big corporations, millionaires and wall street money managers. that would explode our national debt and eventually lead to massive cuts in priorities like education, health care, and environmental protection. in his speech on monday, he called for a new tax loophole. let's call it the trump
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loophole. because two allow him to pay less than half the current tax rate on income from many of his companies. he'd pay a lower rate than millions of middle class families. one nonpartisan expert at the tax policy center described this plan as, as i quote, a really nice deal for donald trump. of course, it's hard to say how nice, because he refuses to do what every other presidential candidate in decades has done and release his tax returns. [ cheers and applause ] but we do know that the 400 richest taxpayers in america would get an average tax cut of more than $15 million a year from the trump loophole. and then there is the estate tax which trump wants to eliminate
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all together. now if you believe that he's as wealthy as he says, that alone would save the trump family $4 billion. it would do nothing for 99.8% of americans. so they'd get a $4 billion tax cut, and 99.8% of americans would get nothing. just think of what we could do with those $4 billion. we could pay for more than 47,000 veterans to get a four-year college degree. we could provide a year's worth of health care to nearly 3 million kids. or we could fund a year's worth of federal assistance to state and local law enforcement. i think there are a lot of better ways to spend the money. on monday i'm going to be in scranton, pennsylvania with vice president biden. he has a saying, don't tell me what you value. show me your budget and i will
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tell you what you value. wel well, donald trump wants to give trillions in tax breaks to people like himself. i want to invest it in veterans, our kids, our police officers, and so much more. and you can then draw your own conclusion about values. now it's true that both of us have proposed to cut taxes for middle class families. he's making a big promise. but his advisors have said -- his own advisors have said he may not stand by them. instead, the tax cuts he doubled down on in his speech in detroit on monday offered trillions to the richest americans and corporations. what are the differences between donald trump and me is i'm telling you what i will do, i'm laying out my plans, and i will stand by them and want you to
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hold me accountable for delivering results. this all reminds me of that old saying, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. that brings us to the third question. which candidate can you actually count on to go to bat for workers and working families? it is not enough to pay lip service to being on your side. we have to recognize how americans actually live and work in the 21st century, and nen offer real solutions that make your lives easier. we know that women are now the sole or primary breadwinner in a growing number of families. we know more americans are cobbling together part-time work or striking out on their own. so we have to make it easier to be good workers, good parents, and good caregivers, all at the same time. that's why i've set out a bold vision to make quality
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affordable child care available to all americans and limit the cost to 10% of family income. [ cheers and applause ] on monday, trump offered his first real ideas on this topic. because previously, he had dismissed concerns about child care. he said it was, quote, not an expensive thing because you just need some blocks and some swings. now he says he wants to exclude child care payments from taxation. his plan was pan from the left, the right, the center, because it transparently is designed for rich people, like him. he would give wealthy families 30 cents or 40 cents on the dollar for their nannies, and little or nothing for millions of hard working families trying to afford child care so that they can get to work and keep the job! [ applause ]
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i think instead, we should expand the child tax credit to provide real relief to tens of millions of working families struggling with the costs of raising children. the same families that his plan ignores. that's just a start. because the more we do to help working families, the more our entire economy will benefit. for example, guaranteeing equal pay won't just increase paychecks for women, it will boost family budgets and get incomes rising across the board. [ applause ] i don't understand why trump's against that. paid family leave won't only make life easier for moms and dads, it will also keep skilled, talented americans in the workforce and grow our economy. that's why every other advanced country already has it. again, he's against it. raising the federal minimum wage won't just put more money in the
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pockets of low-income families, it also means they will spend more at the businesses in their neighborhoods. [ cheers and applause ] this is something that even the original automakers understood way back at the beginning of the 20th century when they decided to pay the unbelievable sum of $5 a day to auto workers. and when they were criticized by other businesses, how can you pay that much, they had the best answer -- we want people to be able to buy our cars. this is economics 101. we need to get incomes and wages rising and it will help the whole economy grow and be fairer. [ cheers and applause ] and protecting and expanding social security doesn't just help older americans retire with dignity, it helps to ease burdens on families and
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communities. and i also believe the same thing about comprehensive imoperatii immigration reform. we already have millions of people working in the economy and paying $12 billion a year to social security even though they are undocumented. so by moving toward reform, we will unleash a lot of new income and growth and we will level the playing field so that american workers can't be taken advantage of because undocumented workers can be exploited by employers which is one of the reasons we have this disconnect. and finally, strengthening unions doesn't just serve members. it leads to better pay and benefits and working conditions for all employees. i've also said i will defend and
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improve the affordable care act. and for me, that includes giving americans in every state the choice of a public option health insurance plan that will help everybody afford coverage. it will strengthen competition and drive down costs. now these are all causes i've worked on for decades and i believe they point to a fundamental truth about our economy. it can seem like a zero sum when you are competing for a job, a promotion or a contract if someone wins and someone loses. but that is not the full picture. if you step back, you'll see we're all in this together. if we can grow together, we can all rise together. because, you know what i like to say -- we are stronger together. and that's why the fourth question -- the fourth question is key. and it's this. who can bring people together to get any of this done?
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right? well, i believe i can, because i think i can provide serious, steady leadership that can find common ground and build on it based on hard, but respectful, bargaining with the other side. leadership that rises above personal attacks and name calling, not revels in it. i just don't think insults and bullying is how we're going to get things done. and i don't think that that's the appropriate approach for us. i know it's hard to imagine, but there was a time when democrats and republicans actually worked together. i know that's true. [ applause ] i did it as first lady, senator and secretary of state. it's how we created the children's health insurance program which covers 8 million kids. [ applause ] it's how we rebuilt new york
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after 9/11 and how we passed a treaty reducing the threat from russia's nuclear weapons. so i am convinced, based on my experience, that we can do this. and one of the reasons that i asked senator tim kaine to be my running mate is that he also has a record of working across the aisle to get things done as a mayor, a governor, and a senator. so we're going to make full use of the white house's power to convene. we're going to get everyone at the table, not just republicans and democrats, but businesses and labor unions, academics, experts. but most importantly, americans, like all of you! [ cheers an applause ] i think there are a lot of great ideas out in america, and i want you to have a say in your government. and that means we've got to get unaccountable money out of politics, overturn citizens united and expand voting rights,
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not restrict them. [ cheers and applause ] i intend even starting before the election to bring together leaders from across our economy, from a lot of different places, to talk about jobs and competitiveness and i hope mark and john can join me, because we need the best ideas that are out there making a difference. we need to pull together. the bottom line is this. i'm running for president to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the t top. [ cheers and applause ] based on what we know from the trump campaign, he wants america to work for him and his friends at the expense of everyone else. he's offered no credible plans to address what working families are up against today. nothing on student loans or the cost of prescription drugs. nothing for farmers or
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struggling rural communities. nothing to build a new future with clean energy and advanced agriculture. nothing for communities of color in our cities to overcome barriers of systemic racism. nothing to create new opportunities for young people. just a more extreme version of the failed theory of trickle-down economics with his own edition of outlandish trumpian ideas that even republicans reject. [ cheers and applause ] and as we heard him say at his convention, he may believe that he alone can fix our country. but clearly, he doesn't know the people of michigan. he doesn't see the businesses and the labor unions, the local government's, the clergy coming together every single day to make things better. so, yes, there is still a long road ahead. but michigan is on the rise, and everyone is contributing.
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that's america at its best. so i hope you will stay active and engaged and working together to create jobs and to strengthen your own communities. and i hope you will work to get out the vote in november because if we -- [ cheers and applause ] if we are able to win, then i want you all to work with me to build the kind of progress that america deserves to see! we're going to do this together! we are stronger together! let's go out and build a future! thank you all! god bless you! [ cheers and applause ] all right, you've been listening to hillary clinton. really this was her rebuttal of donald trump's economic speech from earlier this week in the same state not too far down the road in detroit. she laid out what she calls a striking could e ining contrast
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mr. trump. hillary clinton dedicated most of the time to contrasting that of donald trump's, plii ibringi plan down explaining how her proposals would prop up the working and middle class in this country. she wants to implement paid family leave, preschool for 4 year-olds, a way for students to attend public universities, debt-free. not tuition-free, but debt-free. an expansion of social security to some family members and increasing the minimum wage up to anywhere between $12 and $15 an hour. but she highlighted this as being the biggest plan since world war ii, talking about her $275 billion government investment to rebuild america's roads, infrastructure, bridges, ports, airport and creates, she says, millions of jobs. so we have a full panel of political and economic experts to talk hillary clinton's economic plans. we also have a reality check of some of the points she made. we'll get to tom foreman
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momentarily for that. but ali velshi, i defer to you, sir, off top. there was a lot. >> there was a lot. it was a lot. it is almost like she has advisors saying there are early criticisms donald trump doesn't give enough detail about a lot of stuff so she started detailing stuff. it was a pretty standard democratic fare. she talked a lot about infrastructure but she gave a little more specificity about an infrastructure bank putting $25 billion into it and ending up with ten times that in terms of private funding. she talked about college debt. this is an interesting story. it's a popular policy. she's been influenced by bernie sanders on that. but it sometimes has a perverse effect, in the same way that everybody getting a loan in america caused housing prices to get to a place that didn't make sense. we're not addressing the underlying college cost increase
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problem. it's hard to figure out how you'll pay for that. you need states and congress do do that. she said interestingly enough, not everyone needs to go to college. rick santorum used to talk about college is a bit of an elitist thing. she has to be careful. we are moving into a knowledge economy. that's an interesting road to tread. and she said she'll stop any trade deal that kills jobs or lowers wages. that's an interesting caveat there because that's hard to get your hands on. which ones cause job losses, which ones -- that's complicated stuff. she's leaving her some road to maneuver there. >> on trade, david, to you next. donald trump's senior economic advisor. you're my next go-to guy. but on trade, it is interesting when she thinks of talking to rustbelt knowing it was her husband who signed the bill that became law which is nafta, her back and forth on tpp, we heard her very clearly saying she -- how she feels on tpp now and how
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she will feel on tpp once elected, once she's net white hou house. >> it was a standard democratic program. offering bigger government, more taxes. there wasn't a lot that i could see that was going to give us more growth. she mischaracterized a lot of what trump has been saying. yet i was struck -- surprised by how much of his rhetoric and his vision she was adopting. it wouldn't on and on. she talked about manufacturing renaissance. she talked about we are builders, need to get back to building. obviously donald trump is a major builder and she's never really created a private sector job or built anything in terms of the private sector in her career that i'm aware of. >> what was the issue of child care. you perked up. she keeps using the word "average." >> there were several parts where she talked about trump's program. on child care he said very clearly in the speech on monday that there would be a deduction
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to the extent of average child care and so it is specifically not oriented at wealthy. she was saying it is all for the wealthy. it was specifically designed to help average americans -- >> parents can write off average child care costs in state per age. >> the problem is if you are low-income, the average could be one-quarter of your income. that's the point she was making. average doesn't help -- the lowest income americans are paying 25% of their income in child care. so when you give them the average, which is about 10%, they're still paying 15%. >> i was happy both sides are trying to address this problem. >> yes, that's the good part. >> the economy is doing really badly. she even addressed it in saying we've got to get incomes to start rising. well, you have too go back with her and say, but you've been in government for so long, a giant long career. what are you going to do any differently in the future than you've done now? >> let me have -- >> trump is coming in saying i'm
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going to have an upheaval, we're going to change everything and make it better. isn't that a more credible approach. >> let me have andy green respond to you, our clinton supporter, managing director of economic policy at the center for american progress. you just heard david rattle off what he heard from a sort of trump positive perspective. your turn. >> well, i think that the economy took a massive crash in 2008 and it's been long-time coming out of that. we've been out of it for a long time. created 14 million jobs. just in last year we've seen incomes begin to rise. think secretary clinton recognized that and said as much in her speech about the importance of raising wages. this is a challenge that progressives are focused on around the country. and contrast it pretty starkly with donald trump's plan which independent economists have said are going to cost us 3 million jobs, throw us back into a recession. it is about having a responsible, positive program versus a pretty reckless,
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destructive program that is not going to work for working families. >> so he's referring to one study that was done that she referenced by moody's. critical in that study, if you actually look at it, he's ass e assuming -- that guy is assuming that the feds will raise rates to 4% next year and 3.6% in 2018. it is a completely uncredible study because of that. of course the economy would be in recession if you did that -- if you did that with the central bank. he's also then basing gob groei growth, he sacbo has forecast g forward under the current economic plans -- policies which are obama/clinton policies, the economy only grows 2% for the next ten years. it adds $1 trillion to the debt per year on average for the next ten years.
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and that's already out. that's the government itself saying that's how badly we're going to do. so i was surprised she didn't offer more that would actually get the economy going. >> let me hit pause. i promise we'll come back to the economics of the conversation but i want to also get into the political sphere with my three ladies at the desk in washington, dana bash, sort of to you first. i do think from a 30,000-foot view it is important to note she's in warren, michigan, particularly this plant used to be a racquetball court, turned automotive carmaker kind of plant, turned now they're building rockets and a jet. that's sort of symbolic of the positive picture she was trying to paint. >> absolutely. >> beyond that, what else did you see? >> look, first of all, i'm continuing to be struck at how she is adopting so many of the things that worked for bernie sanders.
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obviously talking a lot about the college plan that the two of them came up with together, but also apparently -- excuse me, especially in a place like michigan where i remember just being up in michigan during the primary season, how many -- >> she lost michigan, didn't she? >> right. not only that, but donald trump and his whole pitch was incredibly popular in michigan, so much so that i had a lot of republicans kind of quietly -- who were not necessarily thrilled with trump but quietly saying to me, look, he is really resonating here. i have my neighbor and my kid's teacher, so on, so forth, saying, oh, i get it, he's finally speaking to us. there is a very important reason just on the pure, as you point out, the map of it all and the reason why she decided to go to michigan. wasn't just because that was where donald trump gave his economic speech. but more importantly because they want to make sure that his message doesn't continue to
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resonate in a state like michigan because it is -- has been reliably blue for the past several election cycles and they want to keep it that way. >> one of the other things i thought was really interesting listening to her talk about colleges is for everybody, it's -- so i spoke to governor snyder about this a couple of years ago. he talked about skilled trade workers. particularly our conversation was about welders. this is something you've heard the republican governor of michigan hammer home. in the rust belt, that's something that is a very strong reality for people. i thought that targeting that message was really interesting considering where she was in terms of the map. >> what about one of the lines about michael phelps and the competing, the olympics line. >> certainly of the moment there, brooke. but i think the more important thing here and what we heard from hillary clinton in that moment is that she understands, as you pointed out earlier in
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the conversation, her record on trade, her husband's vote for the law that's now nafta is something voters in places like the rustbelt and states like michigan are thinking and talking about. i think hillary clinton realizes that's one of her vulnerabilities especially going up against a candidate like trump who's made trade much of his pitch. especially white working class voters who he's done very well with in the state. >> she mentioned trickle-down economics, roughly paraphrasing saying all trump does is offer failed trickle-down economics with trump spin. >> that's a 1980s really theme. remember reagan did wonders for the economy and stopped the cold war. he ended the soviet union cold war. it was a giant success. it's ironic that -- >> but she and many other economists are saying -- >> right. growth was fast. lots of people got jobs and within ten years of reagan there was a balanced budget.
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it set in motion the whole process of newt gingrich and the house of representatives doing the contract with america and changing the economy. >> let me ask you this. >> so one point. >> yeah. >> the governors in the midwest are -- what we're seeing is a giant division between what they do. the republican governors and the republican states and that's ohio, michigan, indiana, and wisconsin, are doing very well. illinois is not. it's democratically -- it was democratically run. >> let's talk about -- >> flint, michigan, where the water system, that was specifically not republicans. >> let's just talk about -- can we talk about louisiana. the fact is, if you brought a martian down to earth today and they said let me see your economy, you showed them the unemployment rate, home prices, you'd show them all these things.
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without that they'd say you have a real economy going. then you show them real median income and then you break it out. take the top 5% -- i wish i had this chart. you show the top 5% and the gains they've had. you tay the median and you show a very steady flat line from the 1970s. then you show below the median, they've lost ground. the reality is, the economy's not doing so badly. corporate profitability is great. gdp's okay compared to other industrial countries in the world. growth is not something a president can actually control in our global economy. different from when you were in the treasury. >> i really think they can. they can change policies and you can have growth. >> you do. >> but the critical thing and the thrust of trump's program is to get real median incomes to go up. we've had this very strange situation where the gdp growth is positive but real median income is declining. >> that's not true. that's not true. you know that. you know that. donald trump very selectively stopped his calendar at 2012.
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when you pushed to 2014, real median incomes are up. >> i know those data well. the government rebased it so that you couldn't see the decline. if you use the same -- anyway, we don't need -- >> no, it's up. adjusted for inflation. >> that's absolutely not true. >> i agree with you we're splitting hairs. even if it is up or down, it is not good. >> hold on for just a second. i want to make sure we get andy to respond. first to christina, we've had crews fact checking some chunks of hillary clinton's speech. specifically on what she says about job creation. christina, what's fact? >> so she keeps pointsing to this report out of an analyst -- analytical research firm called moody's that says her plan would generate 10 million jobs while trump's plan would cost the economy 3 bnt 4 million, 3.5 million jobs. that's technically true and that headline is correct but what she's not saying is if the
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economy were to operate under current laws and policies, it would generate about 3.2 million jobs anyway. what she's -- i'm sorry. two generate 7 million jobs anyway. her plan would generate an additional 3.2 million jobs. still better than the analysis that moody's put out on trump's plan. but just keeping her honest here, instead of that 10 million number, we're really talking about 3.2 million additional jobs. and one other thing that she had an opportunity to do today that i think was really important is draw a sharp contrast between her tax plan and donald trump's tax plan. she talked about the buffett rule. this has gotten millionaires and billionaires kind of shaking in their boots. this is a minimum tax on anyone making adjusted gross income of $1 million. so that is a big deal for a lot of people -- rich people in this
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country. that is why she's saying she's more for the middle class. because if you look at donald trump's tax plan, the benefits of that one undoubtedly flow to the higher income brackets. >> sure. she talks about the buffett rule. also hearing some of what she mentioned about the trump loophole, slamming him on his proposals on the death tax. we actually have a billionaire who will be joining us momentarily to respond from his perspective on what he thinks about hillary clinton's plans. i want to just thank all of you for now. we have so much more to go through. thank you, thank you to all of you. but we do have some breaking news now. we are learning the fbi wanted to open a corruption case against the clinton foundation but the department of justice refused. why. why did they refuse? what's the fallout now? what do we know? i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn's special live coverage.
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me and all of thoese political things. i saw there was like a silence in the room. silence. and i said, what's this? what is going on? why is there silence? why -- where was the enthusiasm? i mean i could see they really liked me. they know i get it. i won with the evangelicals in the primary. i mean i would go into a state and, remember at the beginning i'd go in, they'd say he can't win that state because that's evangelical and then i'd win with the evangelical in record numbers. pastor jefferson would say he's so great, he was always so good an speaking. he would say donald trump may not be perfect, but he knows how to win. and maybe he's not as good and maybe he's not as perfect on the
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bible, but i did go to sunday school for many years, i want to tell you that. okay? but he said, he may not be perfect. but he's ours. and jerry falwell jr. got up and he said something that was very interesting. he said, when ronald reagan and jimmy carter were running, you had one who was absolutely perfect, sunday schoolteacher, jimmy carter. knew every word in the bible. a good person. a very good person. and ronald reagan, who had gone through a divorce and was probably not on paper the same. and jerry junior who, by the way, is a fantastic person, jerry said his father was under tremendous pressure to -- from the church groups and from the
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evangelicals to endorse jimmy carter. and he said, i can't do it. i can't do it. and that was when you had the iran hostage crisis and a lot of bad things were happening to our country. through weakness. it was happening through weakness. and he said, i can't do it. and he endorsed ronald reagan. and he was always so proud of that decision. and jerry junior would tell me that was one of the great decisions. and it was a great decision because you are talking about a great president, turned out to be a great president. but pastor jeffers would get up and say, he's not perfect, but he knows how to win and he's going to win for us. and i said, i like that guy. i never met him. but then i got meet him. he's fantastic guy. and he said things that were just very nice and i appreciate it. we have such great support with the evangelical community, the christian community. really largely the religious
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community. so i'm in the room with many of the pastors and some ministers and they're going like, well, we can't really do that. i said, why? why? why can't you do that? i don't understand. i know you like me, why aren't you endorsing me? well, we just can't. i said why? these were strong men. all of a sudden they're saying -- around women -- women. we had reverend paula. terrific person, by the way. terrific. and we had some others that were amazing and they've become friends of mine. but they're strong people. and they said we can't do it. i said why? they don't want to tell me. it isn't that they didn't want to tell me, it's almost like they got used to this thing around their neck and eyes. it's almost like they couldn't see. i said, why?
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and after a lot of prodding, they said, well, we don't want to lose our tax-exempt status. i said what does that have to do with your tax-exempt status? not knowing. it basically has do with the 501c3 status that they can't get involved from are the standpoint of essentially freedom of speech. so you have these powerful people with a great voice. you know that christianity and everything we're talking about today has had a very, very tough time. very tough time. you know, in syria when -- this is before the migration. if you were a christian in syria, it was virtually impossible to come in to the united states. if you were a muslim from syria, it was one of the easier
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countries to be able to find your way in to the united states. think of that. just think of what that means. so i didn't know this and -- i know 501c3, but i didn't know it played such a big role. i said i want to check this out. you ever get used to something that's wrong and you just sort of live with it, right? that's why they weren't telling me. because they almost didn't even know. they got so used to it, these are the smartest people. the most bold people. incredible people. they got so used to it, that they almost didn't even know, like, what was wrong. but they knew there was something wrong. >> donald trump there, softer tone, speaking to a group of pastors there in orlando, florida, telling some stories, joking about how, yes, he grew up going to sunday school, talking about his own personal faith there. we just wanted to dip in and
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senate minority leader harry reid minced no words today when describing the republican presidential candidate, calling him a bigot, the remark made during a conference call with reports about the republicans blocking the supreme court nomination of merrick garland. manu raju, you were on the call.
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i want the context of this. >> reporter: sure. this is the famously blunt and partisan democratic leader, harry reid, never known for holding his tongue. in fact last month when i spoke to him at the democratic convention, he called trump "dumb" for his handling of the russian e-mail situation, his comments about the clinton e-mail hacks. in that same interview he said that he used to say nice things about donald trump because he wanted to prop him up so he could win the republican primary and become the gop nominee. and now that he is the gop nominee, harry reid is unloading. >> they spent a lot of times, these republicans, spent a lot of energy trying to separate themselves from donald trump. but as long as they're holding court for him, they're his minions. they're his enablers. that's the legacy and mitch
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mcconnell republicans. >> in the same call harry reid also said he is convinced with "some degree of certainty" that hillary clinton, if she becomes president, would move forward with merrick garland's nomination for the supreme court. the clinton campaign, clinton herself, has been noncommittal about what she would do with merrick garland. but it's been suggested maybe she would move forward. reid also suggested they'd try to do some maneuvering on the senate floor this fall trying to force the issue during this election season. perhaps this fight over merrick garland's nomination not done quite yet. >> thank you from capitol hill. some news before we get back to politics here. yet another just awful story involving a child and a ride this summer. we've just heard about this child who's fallen off a roller coaster at an amusement park in pennsylvania. a public safety official tells cnn an glance responded to an amusement park just about two
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hours ago. we don't know the child's current condition. it is unclear which roller coaster this child was on. according to the park's website, there appear to be at least two roller coasters at this particularly amusement park. to our national correspondent, it's like water slide, ferry wheel, now an issue with a roller coaster. what happened? >> i know, it's been a tough week, brooke. in this particular case we know that the child fell off the roller coaster. at this point we know the child was also airlifted to a medical center -- children's medical center in nearby pittsburgh. this happened in the town of lego legonier. one of the rides had a height requirement of 36 inches, the other 48 inches. one says it is a classic roller coaster and the other goes up and down through the hills. it definitely touts it ef is as a children's amusement park. it even says it is one of the oldettes amusement parks in the
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country. we are still getting a little more details what happened. you said it, it has been a rough week. we know about that ferris wheel incident that happened on monday where buckets overturned and dumping those three girls out, one suffering a traumatic brain injury, then of course the horrific one on sunday, the water slide, 10-year-old caleb schwab dying after that incident from a neck injury. it's been a tough week. of course this is when people are going to these amusement theme parks, though. >> of course they are. families are out, kids are out of school. let us know how the child is doing. thank you so much with that. we continue on. top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with what many polls say is the most important issue in the race for the white house, the economy. minutes ago we heard from the democratic nominee, hillary
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clinton, there in warren, michigan, as she has pushed this economic plan that she says puts families first. making a contrast to the plan rolled out earlier this week in detroit from her rival, donald trump, who says america first when he detailed his economic policies on monday. in fact hillary clinton dedicated much of her time today bringing down mr. trump's plan as she explained how her proposals will prop up the middle class. couple of bullet points for you. she said today she wants to implement paid family leave, preschool for 4-year-olds, a way for students to attend public universities debt free, not tuition free, but debt free. and expansion of social security to some family members. and an increase in the minimum wage to somewhere between $12 and $15 an hour. but we've heard this before. we heard her tout this again, this mega $275 billion government investment to rebill america's roads and bridges and
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ultimately also creating some 10 million jobs. she says. how does she plan to do all of this? more taxes on the really rich. >> we should also add a new tax on multi-millionaires, crackdown on tax gaming by corporations, and close the carried interest loophole, something i've advocated for years. now, compare what trump says. now there is a myth out there that he will stick it to the rich and powerful because somehow he's really on the side of the little guy. don't believe it. not when he pledges to rip up basic rules that hold corporations accountable, when he wants to scrap regulations that stop polluters from poisoning the air our children breathe and the water we drink,
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let insurance companies write their own rules, again. >> so she spoke for quite a while there today. let's put the words through a fact check test here. cnn's tom foreman has been very carefully going line by line, some of her key points. tom foreman, reality check. what did you find? >> one of the things that certainly had to light up a lot of voters out there was this promise that somehow she'll help working class families do a better job getting their kids to college. listen. >> it's crucial that every american have access to the education and skills they need to get the jobs of the future. so we will fight to make college tuition-free for the middle class and debt-free for everyone. >> this claim about tuition-free for the middle class. well, first of all, look at her definition of the middle class. what she's talking about families making $125,000 or
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less. tuition-free that's for in-state tuition at a public institution. so if you buy this definition that this is the middle class, which means if you are a dual-income working family and you and your partner each make $65,000 each, you don't qualify. you're upper class under this. but if you buy this definition, then you can say the verdict on the first claim is true. but then think about the second part of what she said here. here's what's not covered under that plan. not now. room and board. fees. books or supplies. at those same state schools all of this can easily be more than the cost of tuition. yes, they're talking about all sorts of other ways to maybe cover this but this really undermines this idea that it will be debt-free for all. that's what she said, that's an exaggeration. her plan does not show how that would happen. that part is false. there is an lot more that we
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check on hillary clinton an donald trump as well. go to our website, check and get the reality on all of of these claims out there. >> tom foreman, i know you and the team are going to keep working on that. we'll continue to look for that. thank you very much. two more voices, wilbur ross next to me, one of trump's senior economic advisors. also back with us, ali vel shsh global affairs and economic analyst. i see copious notes on hillary clinton's speech. but just out of the gate i'd love to ask you, as a billionaire, you know a thing or two about taxes. tax returns. >> right. >> you're advising mr. trump. do you think he should share his tax returns? >> i don't think it matters. they've already publish returns for earlier years showing that he didn't pay any tax. most real estate people don't pay any tax. i don't think that's any big deal. >> but you can understand why people then say if it's no big
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deal, let's show everyone. >> well, to me, that's not as bad as the secrets of laundering money through the canadian entity into the clinton foundation hundreds of millions of dollars so no one knows who the donors are. let's put things in proportion about disclosure. >> no. we're getting into the latest report today on the e-mails and doj and fbi, trust me. >> she's hardly one to talk about disclosure. >> is mr. trump paying taxes? >> i have no idea if he is o isn't. he ought to address that to him. i certainly am. >> i'd love to. maybe we can chat later. my next question though, you're advising him on trade. >> yes. >> so if he is saying he essentially wants to cut trade, how does he though in the sense up trade for this country? >> first of all, he didn't say he wants to cut trade. if you read his trade speech from a couple of months ago, what he actually said was, if it is found -- if.
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if it is found that china is manipulating their currency by as much as 45%, and if they're not willing to negotiate, then it may be necessary to threaten them with as much as a 45% tariff. but your network and others have put that totally out of context, saying trump's going to levy 45% tax on all chinese goods. >> with all due respect, i don't think we put it out of context. that's why we want to talk to you. you're the man. >> hillary says words matter. those are the words she spoke. >> let me ask you this. you are a negotiator. you've been involved in trade. both hillary clinton and donald trump say they don't really like tpp as it is. that doesn't include china. what is the answer? we don't have a big enough economy in the united states to make all of us wealthy and prosperous just by selling to each other so we need to sell to other countries and those countries' citizens have to be prosperous which means they want to sell their goods an services to us. these trade deals, as you know,
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take years and years to negotiate and typically speaking, good people are around the table, smart people, figuring them out. what's the answer? because if we become protecti protectionis protectionists, even guys like you can't make the same kind of money -- may not matter to a guy like you. >> first of all, nobody is saying being protectionists. what we're saying is have the sensible process. here's what a trade deal ought to have as part of it. number one, each side should make forecasts what will be the economic impact on its country going forward. then there should be an automatic look-back after five years. and if there's been a gross distortion in one way or another, there should be an automatic readjustment. third, there should be enforcement mechanisms. we have yet to have a trade agreement that has an enforcement mechanism that amounts to anything. if you have -- >> well, the original free trade agreement between canada and the u.s. did. nafta does.
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>> nafta does not have teeth to enforcement. tell me what the teeth are. >> they've got panels for enforcement. >> panels. >> they have imposed counterveiling duties on soft wood lumber. you know that. >> sure, a few little things. but the reality is our trade deficit as a result of nafta -- >> that's not -- i hear you. it is not because of -- it's not about an enforcement issue. trade imbalances are about labor shifrts. about labor costs. it is not because canada is cheating the u.s. >> that isn't true. mexico had no trade surplus with us prior to nafta. now they have $60 billion a year trade surplus. >> because they have lower labor rates than twwe do. . >> they created these factories near the american border. those factories pay no value-added tax on goods brought
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in, not even on the equipment they use to manufacture. and no tariff coming -- >> you and i have to sit and talk. >> we appreciate -- >> there are all sorts of abuses that go on every single day. >> right. i just want to know what the answer is because we -- >> the answer is -- >> it sounds protectionist. sounds like we're going to bring jobs back, we're going to make everything in america. your answer is more sophisticated than donald trump's. maybe he could talk like you. >> mr. ross, mr. ross -- >> his job is to set broad policy. . job of people advising him is to fill in the blanks with the details. he's well aware of my exact formula. he authorized me to put an editorial in the pittsburgh newspaper, "post gazette" a peek ago monday, on and there is one going in the "detroit free press" in the morning. >> mr. ross, are you the one helping filling in the gaps.
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you are the expert, you know the details, you are talking about him having broad policy. he did give that trade speech. he gave a speech with great detail on monday from detroit. do you get frustrated sometimes with him for stepping on his message? >> well be had is style and mine are very different. but that's why he's running for president and i'm a private equity guy. but i'll tell you one thing that he did do that he doesn't get any credit for. you told me and the other private equity people supporting him, our tax rates are going to go up. we will not be benefiting from the 15% -- >> carried interest. >> -- tax. the carried interest rate will be 33%. the maximum individual rate. so at least -- this billionaire, he's not subsidizing. >> okay. wilbur ross and ali velshi, thank you. thank you very much. we mentioned hillary clinton's e-mails and here we go. this is the breaking news on that today. we are learning the fbi actually wanted to open a corruption case against the clinton foundation.
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the department of justice looked at it. they refused. why is that and what's the fallout from this today in looking ahead? also ahead, donald trump. he is tripling down on this false claim that president obama is the founder of isis. hillary clinton has just responded. we have that for you. you're watching cnn's special live coverage.
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a month after 9/11, i got a call from david and he told me he was going into the national guard. he was sent to iraq to be a gunner on a humvee. a car pulled up in the driveway and three soldiers got out, and the sound of their boots as they came up those stairs will, will stay with me the rest of my life. you have moments when you really don't want to live anymore, it's a fate that i would not wish on anybody, not anybody. when i saw donald trump attack another gold star mother, i felt such a sense of outrage. ...wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say, she probably... i would like to tell donald trump what it feels like,
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isis. i know what you meant. you meant he created the vacuum, he lost the peace. >> no, he's the founder of isis. he's the most valuable player. i give him the most valuable player award. >> i give president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. i give hillary clinton if you're the most valuable player. isis will hand her the most valuable player award. her only competition is barack obama. between the two of them. >> we have now heard from hillary clinton on twitter, calling it -- all of this a smear campaign against president obama. with me now, van jones, cnn political commentator, boris epstein, senior advisor for the trump campaign. good to see both of you. you look like you're teed up for me. you're ready. you know i'm going to tell you he's wrong, he's wrong, he's wrong. >> i think the caption is really wonderful today. >> you like that?
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trump calls obama founder of isis. he's not. >> this is actually a serious matter. we're laughing. it's obvious what he means. he's talking about the fact that isis was born and has mushroomed, absolutely, under barack obama and hillary clinton's watch. she's running on her -- >> but you know hugh hewitt on the radio pushed him on that and said, well, certainly meaning maybe the vacuum that was created. he essentially said, no, he's the literally the founder. >> he also said he should get the mvp, then hillary should get the mvp. they're getting co-mvps. >> you didn't answer my question. >> the answer to your question -- it is wonderful to do the 3:00 hour. we're all having fun. serious answer to the question is -- >> you're having fun. >> she was driving the message home and the message needs to be driven home. she's running on her record. her record is isis. that's her record. the world and the country are so much less safe because of hillary clinton and because of barack obama.
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>> listen, i think if he wants to be the stand h-up comic in chief, he's doing a great job. unfortunately, isis is a very serious matter. this is inappropriate. one thing we should be united on is every american and frankly every human being on the planet with a functioning heart and brain stem is opposed to isis. to pretend that the president of the united states is anything but opposed to these little bit offers, i just think is further dividing the country for no reason. if he has a critique he wants to make of the president's handling of isis, bring it. let me tell you something, if he is the founder of isis -- >> but the critique exists. i immediately go to that -- calling him jv. >> here's what i think we don't talk about enough. isis is actually being rolled back. >> 45,000 isis fighters have been killed since the war began.
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>> yeah. so listen, if obama's the founder, he's fired more people literally with drones than trump ever fired for his stuff. listen, this is very important for people to know. we actually are -- the united states military and special operations people are doing an incredible job of rolling them back. they've lost half their territory. they've lost 100 of their top leaders. they've lost 4,500 fighters and they are losing ground every day. we should be united and supporting our military on that. instead what's happened is because they're losing territory, they're now doing these -- from their point of view pin-prick strikes. they're horrible for us, we hate them. but to pretend the president of the united states is responsible for all of this is wrong. terrorists are responsible for terrorists. >> then why -- why at the rally mr. trump said barack hussein obama? >> i'm not in his head. >> what's he trying to do? >> he's using the man's full name. talk about the issue. van is correct. this is the most serious issue
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facing our country in terms of -- >> what was he suggesting with that? because he doesn't do that very often? >> in terms of the name? you'd have to ask him. what i would tell you that the pin stri pinstripes you're talking about, they're a big deal. they're a big deal to orlando. we can't do what france is doing. they said we have to live with this now. we as a country -- that's what the president of france said, this is the new normal. john kerry actually said effectively that's the new normal. we as a country -- >> i don't -- >> let me finish. >> okay. >> what barack obama has done is that he has instilled this sense of we have to live with these sort of strikes. we don't have to. as far as what's happening in isis, the number of countries they're in is expanding. but they did not exist before barack obama. >> according to donald trump himself -- the responsible party is george w. bush. they found the interview of him saying the responsible party for
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the whole destabilization is george w. bush. now he is running for president, he doesn't attack george w. bush. he wants to blame it on hillary clinton or obama. i think it is very important for us. i don't mind having a conversation about the right way to deal with this but when you start telling the world that the president of the united states is responsible for isis and founded isis, it is just wrong, it is inappropriate. doesn't help the debate. >> hang tight. stand by. we are learning more on hillary clinton. fbi was planning on opening a corruption case against the clinton foundation. the department of justice pushed back. why did they push back? what's the fallout here? we'll discuss that next. also ahead, his dramatic act. were you in trump tower yesterday? >> i was. >> all eyes focused on the new york skyline. now the man with his suction cups who just about got to the tip-top. he is now under arrest facing charges. we have new details how he got to new york and what he brought with him. seriously. (man) honey, what's a word for "large blaze"?
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we are just learning today that the fbi and top justice department officials met a couple of months ago to discuss opening a public corruption case in to the clinton foundation. the fbi wanted the investigation to move forward but we are now learning that the department of justice is turning down the fbi's request to look into the dealings of the clintons. focus of the fbi's interest apparently was the potential of criminal conflict of interest between the state department and the clinton foundation during hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state. but again, the doj saying there is not enough evidence to lead
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to any sort of investigation there. van and boris are back with me. thoughts? >> houston, she's got a problem. that's a thought. this is a real issue. this is the second time in a'nt mo now that the doj is squashing -- there's news of doj squashing an investigation. you could agree with director comey or disagree with director comey. i could tell you as a lawyer i would have been indicted if i had done the things hillary clinton did. but director comey thought differently. on this issue, there are be more e-mails coming out, there is more clearly a conflict of interest. the fact that loretta lynch is the head of the doj and hillary clinton -- it is a huge conflict of interest. >> look, i just think the fact that we are having this discussion about the clinton global initiative as if the clinton global initiative is the center of some massive conspiracy, that is the triumph of a lot off right wing talking points. let me tell you a little bit about the clinton global initiative. i happen to know a lot about it.
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this is an absolutely fantastic organization. >> that the fbi thought about investigating and wanted to investigate. >> let me be very candid. we beat donald trump up a lot because his words are sometimes not precise and we want him to have impeccable standard with regard to his words. hillary clinton has the opposite problem. she's not met the impeccable standard when it comes to her deeds. it was slopsloppy. but the problem the clintons have is they have so many people around them that say i am a friend of bill, i am a friend of hillary. it looks sloppy. they have'nt done a good enough job of slapping people down when they do that. >> the clintons are in this narrative, too, for 40 years. >> and what have they been convicted of? not one thing. >> white water, savings and
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loan. >> we're not going to debate white water 25 years later. >> i'm happy to talk about the foundation. >> here's the deal. if there were evidence to move forward, trust me, loretta lynch is not trying to throw herself on a hand grenade for the clintons. >> why not? >> i guarantee you. because -- >> let me finish. go ahead, van. >> because she is the top law enforcement agent in the country. she is the top cop in america. if there were evidence there, the reality is she knows in the world of leaking, that evidence would get out and she would look terrible. >> let me ask you this. now we are hearing as we have been tipped off that there would be more from the wikileaks of the e-mails, apparently this will include, in o some time -- i was just handed cyber intrusions targeting democratic party organizations included a breach of private e-mail accounts of democratic party officials some with ties to the
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clinton campaign according to an official familiar with the investigation. >> the trump/putin ticket -- >> oh, come on. >> the trump/putin ticket and the republicans -- they don't do this to the republicans. the russians are not hacking trump,er in's not hack being the rnc. they're hacking democrats. >> what's in the e-mails, not how the e-mails were gotten. can i now talk for a second? the issue is what's in the e-mails. what's in the e-mails, first, the fact that more e-mails came out yesterday, those e-mails were not the ones that she said were those that she put forward. onniously she lied to congress when she said she turned everything over. that's a lie. now more is going to come out. >> we don't know. it just says private and it says e-mail accounts of democratic party officials. >> whether we do or don't, they've set up this narrative, they've set up in organization -- let me finish. doug band is someone who ran the clinton foundation, now runs
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taneao, the same entity huma abedin worked. am i wrong in any way? >> you said you would be able to talk. >> you're talking about trump advisors and surrogates and supporters. >> here is the deal. you can throw any number of names out there say this person knew that person knew that person, therefore it is a conspiracy. you can do the same thing with trump. why are we not having that conversation? nobody's hacking trump. you say the process doesn't matter. nobody's hacking trump. nobody is doing what the russians are doing to the democrats. you have to ask the question why. nobody in this world is perfect. let me finish. nobody in the world is perfect, nobody's operation is perfect. some people do dumb stuff but the russians are hacking the democrats for the pumps of electing donald trump. why? >> the russians and donald trump did not make hillary clinton set
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up the private server or set up an organization -- >> she shouldn't have done it. >> she shouldn't have done it. >> the fact that -- >> the fbi, there were no criminal charges. issue is there is more to come within private e-mails, what's in it, we just don't know yet. to be continued. van jones, boris epstein, thank you. >> wow. >> coming up next, we're talking trump, as in trump tower. the man who suction cupped his way up to the 21st floor found himself under arrest a day after his nearly three-hour stunt. we'll talk about the charges he's now facing coming up. you both have a
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virginia drove all the way to manhattan to, as he was hoping, meet donald trump. well, he is facing multiple charges because of the stunt that he nearly tried to pull yesterday when he scaled the sides of trump tower to try to have a discussion with the republican presidential nominee who, by the way, was out of town when all this ruckus occurred there on 5th avenue. now authorities say this man, by the name of steven regata, used those giant suction cups to climb up the 58-story glass building. he also left a notebook on the ground that mentions his youtube video that explains why he scaled the tower and that he would like to have a discussion with donald trump. now new york police, watch here, you will see as he is trying to continue on up, and they made a run for it and snatched him. this is a 21st floor after he was up there for just about three hours. he has been taken to a hospital
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for a psychological evaluation. as i mentioned, mr. trump was not in the trump tower at the time. after the arrest though, he did take to twitter and said, great job today by the nypd and protecting the people and saving the climber. so cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny sevalos is with me. we will put our thoughts on whatever he was trying to do aside. just say charges include reckless endangerment, criminal trespassing, those were local charges. what else could he face? >> those are probably what he'll face. it doesn't really rise to the level of burglary because there really isn't any evidence that he intended to commit any additional crime once he got in or on the premises. >> does he have a defense? >> there are a couple of different potential defenses. which is why this might be a case where the prosecution may want to make a reasonable offer. defenses may not be good ones but they could tie up a prosecution for a file. if he's being evaluated, there may be a mental defense.
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we don't know what that is yet. secondly, if you look at the history of first amendment rights and the state's rights to prevent people from speaking on private property, citizens have a limited, limited privilege to speak or first amendment rights on private property. historically states -- i see you looking at me like that now. the defense i'm putting out there is, if he says i was excising my free speech rights, i wanted to get up there and that you can to trump. certainly he is trespassing on private property. not public property. but the supreme courts and state courts recognize a limited right for free speech on private property, mostly on shopping malls and universities. >> thank you very much. good thing he's okay. today we got another sign that shoppers are not heading to the big box brick and mortar stores anymore.
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hours ago, macy's announced it is closing 100 stores by early next year. this is just the latest wave in all kinds of store closures. back in january walmart announced it's closing nearly 300 stores. sports authority filed for clup bankruptcy for this year. in the process of shutting down its stores. jcpenney, k-mart, kohl's, they've all pulled the plug on dozens of stores. with macy's it's a big deal. why? >> it is a huge deal. it is nearly 15% of all of the stores that they have. this is an iconic retailer. we are talking about the macy's parade at thanksgiving and the fireworks, miracle on 34th street. for this company to shut down this many stores, it just shows that consumers are increasingly shunning traditional department stores in favor of amazon, of course. but also upstarts like h&m and forever 21. fast fashion companies that the perception is they have better
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apparel right now. and it is cheaper. >> hopefully this means it doesn't go away for good. but all those stores closing. paul lamonica, thank you. coming up, former new york mayor rudy giuliani and cnn's chris cuomo facing off over trump's accusations of media bias. hear this fiery exchange next.
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there has been plenty of blame game going around on behalf of donald trump toward members of the media who have been covering his every move. cnn's chris cuomo sat down with trump supporter rudy giuliani, new york city's former mayor, for a 41-minute long passionate back-and-forth on a lot of issues. but we will highlight this one for you, talking about what mr. trump says about the media. got feisty. >> he says the media is doing this to me, the media's rigged. do you think my coverage is rigged? >> no, not yours. but a lot of coverage is rigged.
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>> how does this come out of his mouth and i have to apoll guiog. >> i'm not apologizing. i'm telling you, he didn't say -- >> he didn't say go out and vote either. did he. >> no. but you say things in a lot of different ways in politics. >> you had trouble when you were mayor. sometimes you kept people out of press conferences. you've never said that he does, you've never said things in front after crowd that had people chanting "lock them up," calling the media liars. no politics like the media. >> nobody -- nobody -- nobody db another brought up hillary's comments about bobby kennedy? >> what are you talking about? it is all over the place. it is all over the place. >> where is it all over the place? not three days front page of the newspaper. "new york times" failed to point out in any kind of highlighted way the fact that a terrorist and the father of a terrorist
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was sitting behind hillary clinton and they failed to ask the question -- what attracted him to her? what attracted that taliban -- >> what attracted a mark foley to donald trump? >> questions are asked about that. >> not as many asked about the orlando father. >> i was asked about david duke who he's never met. >> you don't think that's a legitimate question? >> hillary hasn't been asked about the father yet. hillary -- >> that's not true. they've been all over the campaign asking. >> her answer was thank you. her answer was thank you. >> you just said -- rudy, you just said she hasn't been asked. the answer is that's wrong. she has been asked. you know what i'm saying? i understand why you support him. i get it. but you apologizing for him. >> chris. >> and i think it puts you in an awkward situation. >> not for me. >> you're right. you don't apologize. maybe you should. it would be the more honorable thing to do. >> it wouldn't be more honor rabble for me to lie. >> if you are saying it is on
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the media, that's not lying but it is not accurate. it is wrong. >> media words, they were not violent words. the media interpreted them as violent. >> i could keep -- that was such an exchange. i have with me cnn politics executive editor mark preston and cnn media analyst, bill carter, author of "the war for late night, when leno went early and television went crazy." mark prespreston, we've heard m blaming of the media from the trump camp, he's lowering the polls, he's doing fewer interviews. what sort of -- is the strategy? >> no doubt. oftentimes we do see this with the republican candidates. what's very critical is what chris cuomo said. chris cuomo's father was democratic governor of new york and he said no politics likes the media. that's absolutely right. there are no politicians that necessarily like the three of us because all we do is cause them problems for going out to try to find out what they mean.
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now donald trump is playing with fire though. it will work to a certain degree where he can blame the media and that will help get his base to coalesce behind him. but at some point though you can't blame the media for every utterance that comes out of your mouth. that's what we've seen from donald trump from day one. >> bill carter, it wasn't that long ago we looked at donald trump and like a bunch of other men on stage with him. like 17 or 16. then yhe wanted the media coverage. he courted it. now fast forward to blame the media. >> well, he's in a different position now. he's being questioned more closely. he can't just shrug off these things that he says as easily. the media has an obligation. this is the toughest race i think they've ever covered because this guy is saying things every day that seem to be either wrong or outrageous. >> that's what it is. it is coming -- it is what he's -- >> it's not subjective. it's objective if you say well
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those facts aren't right. it is also objective to say a lot of people think that's dangerous to say that. that's still objective. republicans can say, you're hitting him i think it is a job of the journalists to say this is dangerous. >> what do you think? >> i also think there will be a lot of criticism that the media is not following the hillary clinton e-mail scandal very closely. i would argue in fact that we are, but donald trump will come out and say something that will really shout out the coverage that is going on. i also point out too, for our viewers watching right now, there are many platforms of news. so what you don't find on air, you find on i think the trump supporters are being critical of the media and
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missing the full picture. >> i think what is messing is full context, but this race has challenged journalists more than any other one and they have to step up against hillary and trump when they're young. >> it is a real challenge. >> thank you for that. straight ahead, a desperate plea from the last doctors in aleppo syria.
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this week on declassified, stepping into the dangerous role of undercover agents. >> he asked for a very wide
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range of military components. some actually we assessed as being potentially for nuclear weapons purposes. this guy is clearly bad news. so we needed to start a relationship with him. >> he would send in hundreds of requests for quotation and we were constantly providing him quotes. for the most part he was not closing the deal. we had a lot of instances where he committed to us through e-mail he would procure something, we would provide banking information and the money would never come. we largely wrote him off because he was not really dealing with us. we were not sure if he was spooked, saw something he didn't like, or if he was just flighty.
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it is a every ending learning curve. it is a tedious cause. we're not really business peep. >> we're not in this trade. we're pretending to be in this trade. so we needed to learn more about the international arm's dealing. the few remaining doctors in aleppo september a letter begging president not to continue the bombings in aleppe. we do not need tears or sympathy, or prayers. we need a zone free from bombing
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over eastern aleppo to stop attacks and international attacks to ensure that aleppo is never besieged again. so wonderful always to talk to you. over the course of several years, the frustration is there. tell me about the white house response to this letter. >> they came out with what was a pretty pro forma response saying we condemned over and over again the targets of medical facilities, and essentially reiterating their call for all sides to head to the negotiating table saying there can be no u solution. we heard from one of the doctors that wrote the letter responding to that saying he is shocked and disappointed. the situation is dire, brook.
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you have 300,000 civilians entrapped there. just 15 doctors caring for them. a lack of basic electricity, water, food, medicine. they don't have life support machines, they don't even have diesel which they need to power generators. so while the doctors did not necessarily expect president obama to change course on syria, there is growing frustration that the international community is leaving these people to die, brook. >> which is horrendous when you think of the numbers and the children. i know you have been there and seen the devastation firsthand. it is so tough to think about. you hope they get what they need. thank you so much for taking the time there from london, i
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really, really appreciate it. >> with that, we have heard today from hillary clinton from michigan talking economy. a rebuttal of what we flaerd mr. trump earlier in the week. what is next? "the lead" starts now. >> thanks, brook. did donald trump just successfully change the subject? "the lead" starts now. the rom nominee blaming president obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton for "founding the terrorist group isis." literally he says being the founders of isis. of course that is completely untrue, but focusing on what role they played has he scored a big media victory. >> separation of foundation and state, that is the way it was