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>> that does it for us. thanks for watching. time for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. >> donald trump doubling down on an outright light against president obama and hillary clinton. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. trump claims that isis honors both of them and for this reason -- >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. they're the founders. >> he also says that both would be eligible for the terror group's most valuable player award. clinton says those remarks show trump is not fit to be president. >> and panic in the trump
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campaign, urging them to divert funds to down ballot candidates. we'll is a lot of ground to cover tonight. i want to begin with cnn's senior white house correspondent jim acosta and dana bash. jim, you're in florida covering the trump campaign for us. he's not backing down from his statements that hillary clinton and president obama founded isis. he's completely wrong. what is he saying tonight? >> he quadrupled down on this last night. he called president obama the founder of isis. he's basing this argument on this -- he's saying president obama when he had the chance to leave a residual force in iraq, he chose not to do that and because of that a vacuum was created and isis filled that vacuum. the problem with that and we've
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been pointing this out throughout the day is back in march of 2007 and march of 2008, donald trump told cnn and other news organizations that the united states should declare victory and get out of iraq. he's not advocating leaving a residual force at that time. what he is saying is not only false but it raises the criticism of what he said in 2007 and 2008. here's how he put it tonight at this rally in kissimmee, florida. >> barack obama is the found founder -- hey, if he would have -- folks, we should have never been in iraq. we were going to destabilize the middle east. i said it, i was a civilian. nobody cares. i was a civilian. nobody cares. we should have never been in. they should have understood it. they made a mistake.
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but we should have never ended it the way they ended it. by ending it the way he ended it, and he got everybody out and he let them know when and we're leaving and they just sat back, they just sat back and they went in. and i'll tell you why. barack obama, number one, is incompetent and, number two, remember this, number two, he is the founder in a true sense. if he would have stayed -- i didn't want to be there but if he would have kept a relatively small force, he probably could have prevented isis from forming. >> now, a couple of things there, don. of course you heard donald trump say he didn't want to be there in iraq. of course that is not something that he said in the past. in the past he said before the
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iraq war was launched, he said this in an interview with howard stearn that he was giving tepid support for launching the invasion of iraq. he said that in an interview with howard stearn. the president is open to some criticism, we've talked about this before in that you'll remember when president obama said to "the new yorker" that he considered isis to be the jv team. it does raise the issue as to whether the president underestimated isis as a terror organization. we should also point out mike pence, who we've seen in this role of doing clean-up after donald trump in recent days told a crowd today he believes the rest of the country knows what donald trump is talking about. >> and mike pence supported going into iraq and leaving as
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well. you noticed someone hanging a confederate flag at the trump rally tonight. what did you see? >> reporter: that's right. you and i covered a lot of campaigns over the years. this is something you never see and never want to see at a political campaign rally. this was before donald trump, there were warmup speakers addressing the crowd. they hung up confederate flag in this hall. it took a good 20 minutes for the campaign staffers, their jaws were dropping and wondering what do we do about this? it took about 15, 20 minutes along with local law enforcement officials to convince these men to take down the flag. they took it down once and they put it up again and finally it was removed for the last time. those men told our producers they bought the confederate flag with the words "trump 2016" on it out in the parking lot from a
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vendor on site. what are vendors on site at a trump rally doing selling confederate flags? having covered a number of these rallies over the last several month, you do see confederate flags out in the parking lot of these rallies from time to time. there was an african-american couple who went up to these men and started taking issue rather loudly with the fact that they were hanging this confederate flag here. it was interesting to see at one point the local law enforcement officials here removed that couple, that african-american couple from the scene here when they were yelling at these individuals with the confederate flag. it was a nasty scene that took place here for 15 to 20 minutes before it was finally removed once and for all. donald trump i don't think was the wiser. he did not realize this was going on. he was backstage before the event and did not even know or at least did not indicate that he knew this was even going on, don. >> oh, boy. to dana bash. you have a lot of new reporting
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of conversations between reince priebus and donald trump. >> reporter: remember when donald trump refused to endorse paul ryan. i was told when trump called about it, they had a broader conversation, that it's not always about fairness, he can't take it personally and if they criticize trump, like ryan and others did about the gold star parents, they do it because they feel they have to because of their own viability or they just think he's wrong. i'm told that priebus explained to trump that because he's the guy at the top of the ticket he needs to understand that that's okay because they kind of all need each other to win. and that this is the kind of tough love i have been told for some time that priebus plays with trump for the better part of the year, certainly during
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the primaries and even more so especially after trump became the nominee. but it's also clearly getting tougher, don, for him to play that role. >> tell us about this letter sent to the rnc from some republicans who are suggesting that reince priebus stop funding trump. is that a real possibility? >> reporter: is that a real possibility? right now the answer is probably no. i should say this letter is still being circulated. as of earlier today, there were 75 people signed on, some never trump republicans, hill staffers asking reince priebus to shift party resources from the presidential racial to congressional races to save majorities. it said "we believe donald trump's divisivedivisiveness,
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recklessness, incompetence, risk turning this election into a democratic landside." what the sources i'm talking to are telling me about the rnc plans say that priebus is not seriously considering that yet. and the reason for one thing is that at this point he's not really sure it would even work. many vulnerable senate republicans especially are in presidential battleground states. i used the word "yet" because i was also told by a source -- a couple of sources actually, that they're going to watch this and if donald trump continues to go south when it comes to the polls, they might try to figure out a way to shift some of those resources, at least shift the focus, rhetorically and otherwise. >> always something with this campaign this year. thank you. thank you, jim.
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thank you, dana. appreciate that. joining me is former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, who is still receiving severance from the campaign and hilary rosen. good to have both of you on. corey, your former boss keeps repeating a lie saying hillary clinton and president obama founded isis. watch this. >> isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. >> he was the founder, absolutely the founder. in fact, he gets -- in sports they have awards. he gets the most valuable player award. him and hillary. >> last night you said the president was the founder of isis. you meant he created the vacuum, he lost the peace. >> no, i mean he's the founder of isis. i gave him the most valuable player award. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. they're the founders.
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barack obama and hillary clinton, these are the founders of isis. >> so, corey, he is being roundly criticized by both democrats and republicans. they say it makes him sound desperate. why does he keep saying this? >> look, i think what you have is very clear that isis did not exist prior to this administration and the failing -- >> corey, let me stop you right there. isis did exist prior to this administration. not if you're not going to tell the truth. >> let's talk about the truth for a second, don. >> let me -- corey, corey, let me -- corey, let me -- in march isis was started back in 2002 and also 2003 by --
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>> what i said was if you look at where isis was today, where they have come from this administration they went from the j.v. team to the patriots, they went to the greatest of what they do because of the lack of leadership that this administration has put in place. that's very clear. >> okay -- >> look -- >> hilary, go ahead. >> president obama is fighting isis in four different countries today. what you have with donald trump, and corey knows this, is you have a guy who basically says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. he only goes into favorable audiences. and when he does a news interview like he did with hugh hewitt today, who tried to get him to talk about policy, what would you do about isis, what is actually the facts on the ground, he has no policy, he has no response.
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the fact is that donald trump, you know, called for the same withdrawal that barack obama actually executed from iraq and indeed supported the original invasion of iraq. and so, you know, we can't -- thank god for cnn all day today, which is actually holding donald trump accountable in a way that other people don't seem to be able to. what he has to do is talk about what he would do different, how is he going to make a different choice than the president and the military is currently making, which is doing everything they can to try and destroy isis. he doesn't have a policy answer so all he's doing is sort of creating this trumped up, no pun intended, rhetoric about the president. it isn't true. >> i want to read this. you can pick any fact check. it says trump is pointing to the withdrawal of troops in 2011 under obama as a founding of isis but experts say at the
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expansion of the islamic state cannot be pinned on troop withdrawal alone, corey, if at all. there is the fact that george w. bush had signed the agreement and set the date for that withdrawal. it is a massively complex problem, according to foreign policy experts at the research institute program and on and people who are experts on the middle east. it goes beyond one single policy decision about keeping or moving troops. furthermore, trump supported withdrawing troops from iraq as early as 2007 telling our very own wolf blitzer on cnn in 2007 in an interview that the u.s. should declare victory and leave because i'll tell you this country is just going to get further bogged down. roll the tape. >> how does the united states get out of this situation? is there a way out? >> you know how they get out? they get out. that's how they get out. declare victory and leave. because i'll tell you, this country is just going to get
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further bogged down. there in a civil war over there, wolf. there's nothing we're going to be able to do with a civil war. they are in a major civil war. >> so how can he keep blaming obama for that when he had the same position, corey? >> so he had that position in 2007, which is now nine years ago. it took the president until what year did you say? five years ago? till 2013 to finally withdraw the troops? >> 2011. >> 2011 to 2016, so five years it's taken. >> that was according to an agreement signed by president bush. >> for anyone to equivocate isis is not stronger today than they were five years ago. clearly they are much stronger today than they are five years ago. >> corey and donald trump think the american people are stupid. they're acting like the american people are stupid. that's why he says this all day long.
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that's why corey's on tv saying this. the american people are not stupid. they stand that it is not simple, that it is complex, that there are thousands of experts around the world trying to address this and yet donald trump wants everyone to think that all he needs to do is just come in and somehow set up some magic bomb that will get rid of isis. that is not case and it is offensive and insulting that that's how he's treating it all day instead of the serious, thoughtful problem that it is. >> the difference is donald trump was a private citizen and he was very clear. you guys continue to reference an interview from howard stearn, which at best was a tepid response that said, yeah, okay, and 24 hours after that, 24 hours after that howard stearn interview donald trump said we should get out as quickly as possible. >> what's his answer for now, corey? stop attacking the president. what --
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>> you know what he said? the president is responsible. >> stop attacking the president. >> hold on. let's do one point at a time, corey. >> if we're going to go in iraq, at least take the oil so we'll have something for it. we left the oil behind and isis continues to have that money from the oil fields. >> the reason i cut you off, corey, is because i want to make this as clear as possible. when you said 2,000 to whatever, i want the american people and the viewers to know what the are facts. you mentioned the howard stearn interview. let's discuss the howard stearn interview, okay? this is, again, according to a number of fact checks. there is no evidence that trump opposed the war in iraq before it started on march 19th, 2003. despite his frequent claims to the contrary. in fact, trump expressed mild support in september of 2002 for invading a iraq in an interview with radio host howard stearn.
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the trump campaign has pointed to a fox interview with neal cavu cavuto. trump said only president bush should make a decision. either you attack or you don't attack, he said. so again, we're repeating donald trump's own words back to him and you are saying that donald trump didn't mean that when he said it back in 2003, 2007 and 2011 and then now today? >> don, what you said was mild support. you have all the other audio. play the audio from the howard stearn tape. it's very clear. when howard stearn said do you think we should go into iraq? his response was, maybe, well, i don't know. that's what you're basing the entire story on -- >> no, i'm just taking what you're saying and i'm explaining it to the viewer. that's it. we'll get the howard stearn interview and play it for you and discuss that as well. i want you guys to stay with me. i need to take a break right now. up next, trump refuses to change
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all right. donald trump not backing down from his claim that president obama and hillary clinton are founders of isis. back with me now, corey lewandowski and hilary rosen. we want to be fair. you mentioned this interview with howard stearn. let's listen. >> are you for invading iraq?
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>> yeah, i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> all right, so he was talking about back in the 90s. there's the interview you were talking about. he wished it was done correctly back in the 90s. >> hardly an endorsement. yeah, i guess so, i wish it was done correctly the first time. that's what the media storm is for saying donald trump is in favor of the iraq war? it's clearly not true. "yeah, i guess so" is less than a stellar response and he's saying clearly i don't believe it to be in true. if that is the audio which the media is perpetuating saying he's been in favor of it, i think it's a sham. >> hilary? >> here's the problem -- his comments are so thin because his policy is thin. hillary clinton has like a four-point plan of what she will do to continue the war against isis. all donald trump has is a tag line against the president. if he were so focused on
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addressing isis, he would be spending his day talking about what he would do differently, but he and corey don't have a plan. they don't know what they would do. he openly said he's getting his information about what's happening in the war from tv experts. he's completely incurious about this. he doesn't have a plan. he has an attack against the president. start talking about how you're going to help the american people, mr. trump, because your attacks on the president are hollow and are proven multiple times all day long to be wrong. >> i want to move on now because, corey, donald trump is now saying he has no plans to pivot, something that so many of his gop colleagues and even some of his supporters desperately wish he would do. >> i'll just keep doing the same thing i'm doing right now and at the end it's either going to work or i'm going to have a very, very nice, long vacation. >> how do you think he came to
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this decision and is this the right one? >> i don't think donald trump's going to take a vacation. i've never seen him take a vacation. i think he's going to be elected president of the united states. i think what you see is that in the primary process and i understand they're different, he received more votes and won more states than anyone in history of the republican party. whether it's jorjts h.w. bush, ronald reagan, george w. bush. donald trump received more votes than anyone else in the process has received. he continues to talk directly to the american people, by passes mainstream media, uses social media to get his message out. that resonates. can you tell that by looking at the size of the audiences that come to his rallies, they're big, packed and excited to see donald trump as next president of the united states. >> if you look at the polls, hilary, it seems that strategy may not be working at least
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right now. if he sticks to this current strategy, is he helping hillary clinton? >> corey ran a great campaign for donald trump. i don't know why he let you go, corey. >> i'm with you. >> since the campaign ended, he won about 16 million votes in the primary. but to be elected president, he has to win about 60 million votes. you would think the strategy would be about expanding his base. but all he's doing is talking about how fantastic his primary was and not focused as how he's going to win more votes. i'm sitting here as a political analyst saying where are those votes going to come from? who are you bringing on board? what are you talking about that's going to bring more people to the table? instead he's doubling down on the very kind of fiery, rhetorical nonsense in my view that kind of fired up his 16 million voters but isn't
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expanding his base to the 60e million voters he needs. >> he says people love it and he's going to continue on. >> donald trump is going to connecticut on saturday, he's going to do well in michigan. they're expanding the map by going to places that republicans have not historically in the last two presidential cycles done well. >> i've got to run. thank you both. >> he's going without a message. >> two experts on isis in the middle east. what they think of the claim that obama and clinton are founders of the terror group. running for president means
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donald trump accusing president obama and hillary clinton being the founders of isis. i want to talk about that now with my guests. michael, you first. trump today doubling and tripling down on his claims that president obama and hillary clinton are the founders of isis. michael, who is the founder of
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isis? >> abu musab al zarqawi. this is a guy who if he had his druthers and had the opportunity would murder barack obama, hillary clinton and even george w. bush. osama bin laden said we're laying a trap for iraq and this is the time to create sunni jihadism. to claim that the president of the united states is a terrorist and i'm sorry, every time i argue with the trump supporters, they always say, oh, he didn't mean that, this is the liberal media reporting what he said. donald trump went on hugh hewitt today. hugh said clearly you mean by withdrawing from iraq -- >> let's roll it. >> last night you said the president of the founder of isis. you meant he created the vacuum
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and -- >> no, i meant he was the founder of isis. i give him the most valuable player award. i give her, too -- >> he's not sympathetic to them. he hates them. >> he was the founder. >> by using the term founder, they're hitting on you again. mistake? >> no, they're liking it. >> do you not like that? >> i don't. >> most valuable player. this is the republican candidate for president of the united states calling the current commander in chief a terrorist. okay, there is no way to parse this otherwise. this is not open to interpretation. he just said it. he doubled down with hugh hewitt. hugh hewitt said i don't like this, here's your chance to explain yourself. i have been one of the most vociferous critics of the obama administration on its middle east policy. i have written more on what this administration has done with respect to syria and iraq that has inadvertently enabled isis
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to proliferate and expand throughout the world. to say this president is in some way a fifth columnist or backing a sunni jihadist movement -- by the way, if this candidate had misspoken, fine, let him correct the record. this is somebody who for five years has been saying things like barack obama was not in this country. barack obama is perhaps a black muslim. let see his birth certificate. this is a man who has trafficked in every insane conspiracy theory, the things you find in the russian state media, the things that the ayatollah of khomeini tweets, this is a man who is not fit to mow my lawn. i wrote a book on this subject. i take this very, very earnestly. >> you just heard the sound bite from hugh hewitt, who is a conservative radio host and a,
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to use his word, vociferous critic of the obama administration and of hillary clinton trying to give donald trump a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance to correct the record. >> yeah, he gave him the perfect out. all he had to do was say, yeah, that's what i meant and then follow up on that and say exactly what he believes. and those are common positions. a lot of people believe that the power that -- what i believe was the premature withdrawal of american troops in 2011 from iraq, the refusal to help the free syrian army in 2012, these are the two big power vacuums that created what isis is constituted as today. i do want to say one thing. isis as isis really didn't exist until 2013 because it was -- the islamic state in iraq but you didn't bring in that syria piece until after 2012. so, you know, when we're talking about the creation of isis, although it existed in name only, it really didn't exist as
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an organization until 2013. trump could make all of these points. there's valid criticisms there. there are valid topics forargum say he's the founder of isis is beyond the pale, just do not go there. >> and a harsh critic of president obama said "as brutal as saddam hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him, the same is true for moammar gadhafi and libya, which is now a failed state. the historic lesson is it was a strategics failure to go into iraq. history will not be and should not be kind to that decision." rick, the decision was not president obama's, it was president bush's. this is a trump adviser.
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why is it obama and clinton's fault? >> well, if you're talking about what happened in 2003 and the decision to go in, the invasion was actually kind of well planned and well executed. they took down baghdad in record time. they'll study that advance for a long time. the problem was the follow-on. the plan was never executed. we disbanded the iraqi army, put 300,000 iraqis out of work, most of them sunnis and they became the back bone of the insurgency. we just did the wrong thing after the takedown of baghdad. in that instance general flynn is correct. i disagree we just didn't have a plan, we didn't follow our own plan. as far as that being obama's fault, it's not there. >> you wrote a piece today a syrian rebels fighting for assad and isis, they want trump to win. why is that? >> isis pays very close attention to what is happening in the world. they do not despite their propaganda and rhetoric, they
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don't think they're going to be driving tanks down pennsylvania avenue. they want to destroy western civilizati civilization. this rebel i've known for five years. he has been all throughout syria, he has fought assad, hezbollah, iran and isis. he said, michael, all the jihadis on the ground want donald trump to win. i said why? he he said because they think he'll destroy america long before they will. >> donald tru >> coming up, donald trump is on the attack. ♪
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the clinton foundation coming under increased security any after the release of new e-mails. i want to talk to the former political director for george w. bush. here is donald trump firing at hillary clinton about the e-mails between her office at the state department and the clinton foundation.
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listen. >> she's a very dishonest person. new e-mails have come out today. you heard about this whole deal. now the fbi it seems is very upset because they made a recommendation to justice and justice turned down their recommendation. but a couple of very bad ones came out and it's called pay for play. and some of these were really, really bad and illegal. if it's true, it's illegal. you're paying and you're getting things. but it came out to her people pay for play. and very big stories today. >> lenny, why do you say trump is wrong? >> well, i always start with facts. if mr. trump wants to draw a conclusion from facts that we can't dispute that's his right but there are fancts that can't be disputed. first e-mail about a donor to the clinton foundation and it came from the clinton foundation, executive director. it asks for a meeting where that
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donor could impart information about a lebanese election. he was a lebanese nigerian. fact number one. the meeting never took place. no one can dispute fact number one. fact number two was a second e-mail in which somebody asked about a young volunteer who worked in haiti after the hurricane, the disasters, who wanted a position in the state department to continue his work with haiti. that e-mail was sent and asked that he be considered. i don't know whether he ever got the job. i hope so because he was in haiti at the worst of times. as a volunteer. those are the facts. whether that is corruption or improper or any other conclusion, i don't think so, but that's conclusions that have to be based on facts. >> when you're a paid government servant, you're elected by the people, you're supposed to avoid impropriety and appearance of impropriety. i did not see an e-mail back
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shutting those people down, saying no. if someone asks you, it appears they're trying to gain some sort of favor, wouldn't you send an e-mail back saying can't do that, brother, sorry. >> sure, if it was a favor that reflected an economic interest, something that did appear to be a quid pro quo or corruption. what i just said to you are facts. if you are drawing a conclusion, it has to be based on facts. the fact that a volunteer in haiti was looking for a position in state to continue his work, i don't share mr. trump's conclusion that that's pay for play. the lebanese gentleman wanted to meet with the ambassador to impart information, not to ask for a business favor or even obtain information. >> i want to let matt get in here. you say this proves violation of government ethics. why is that? >> i think it's really interesting. lanny, you've been doing this for 25 years for the clintons. we get it that you're going to go into all these legalisms as to why maybe a law was not
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broken but there's something more serious here, which is 70% of the american people in poll after poll after poll doesn't find hillary clinton honest or trustworthy. here's the most recent example. she said when she became the secretary of state, she's very prominent, she has a husband who is the former president and is impeached. she said she would have nothing to do with the clinton foundation, there would be a wall separation. now we find out all these years later there was back and forth. there was back and forth between donors and people who had shared hats between the state department and the clinton foundation. how can you say there would be a wall of separation between the foundation and state department when you have employees who had hats and roles at the state department and halts and roles at the clinton foundation. she has broken yet again the trust with the people who put her in office over the fact she would follow the rules and simply live up to the promises
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she made. we will be mired in this for weeks and months. they never come clean, they never tell you the full story. lanny will say they shouldn't go to prison. i will tell you why this is a problem with her becoming commander in chief. >> donald trump says there is no place more safe than a trump rally. that may not have been the case tonight in florida. i'm hillary clinton, and i approve this message. michael hayden: if he governs consistent with some of the things he said as a candidate, i would be very frightened. gillian turner: he's been talking about the option of using a nuclear weapon
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we told you about this earlier, a bit of a dust-up at a florida trump rally. hayl hayleigh, can you consider this is love fest? >> there was one person in a crowd. they did the right thing, they tried to take it down. we can't control everyone but we can try and request that the flag was detaken down. >> cnn caught up with the man who put it up and he said he put it up because he thought trump
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would approve. >> most people in our country don't understand the full history behind the flag. i understand that the media and a lot of other people are going to turn it into something that it's not, you know, say that it's a racist thing or, you know, white supremacist. i am not a white supremacist. and it was about the north and the south. it wasn't about racism at all. the north had african-americans fighting for them and the south had them for them, too. so for people who spin it in that direction is just completely false. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> i wasn't -- i think that on a personal level between my beliefs and trump's beliefs, i don't think he would have a problem with it at all because he probably understands the history and that's why we're all here. >> what's your reaction? >> i think brandon gave a
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logical explanation. i remember sitting at harvard law and i had a black colleague of mine say i'm from the south, i understand most people it doesn't symbolize racism for however, i understand it does symbolize racism for some people and because of that it shouldn't be at a state capital. they did the right thing for having it be removed. i don't think brandon is a racist for having southern pride. it is offensive to people and it has no place. >> bakari, you and i were in south carolina last year when that confederate flag was taken down. did you ever expect to see a confederate flag at a presidential rally? >> i would hope not. i think brandon gave a very ignorant facts of the
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confederacy. this is about my ancestors trying to be freed from the bounds and shackles of slavery. i would just hope that brandon takes a moment to educate himself and attempt to empathize with others around him. but to answer your question directly, my hope is that we don't have to see that flag waved at public places like that, especially when donald trump's carrying the mantle of the republican party. my hope is that that type of vestige of hate can be put away forever. >> bakari, i agree with you but i think it's unfair to call anyone who has that symbol somewhere in the south, which has come to represent the south as a whole, not just, you know, this horrible moment in history -- >> no, it doesn't. >> to call every person ignorant who has that flag, i think that is an ignorant statement in and of itself. >> that's not what i said. i called brandon ignorant for his, quote unquote, history that
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he gave the american public about the history of the confederacy and the fact that the war was simply between the north and the south. that's not what that war was about. i think we all know that. so, yes, that was ignorant. in fact, i know people who believe that flag represents some type of proud or heritage because their forefathers fought in that war. i understand that. but for me that doesn't take away the hate, that doesn't take away the anger, that doesn't take away the pain that as an african-american man i feel, especially one from the south. so, that flag doesn't represent the south. >> i have a friend who is from georgia, one of my dearest friends who said when he grew up, he thought that flag was about southern pride and i explained to him that his family, his parents did not teach him the right history of that flag. he has since learned and knows the history of the flag and i think that's what bakari was saying. i was at the republican convention and you saw some of the things being sold by vendors, you know, two fat thighs and those kind of things.
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should they be more careful about what vendors are selling outside of rallies? he said he got the flag outside the rally. >> you can't be responsible for what every vendor decides to sell at the rally. there were thing at the rally i saw outside that were less than becoming of the democratic party. >> bakari? >> i agree with kayleigh wholeheartedly. i don't think we can have government go around controlling people who are selling things outside of the gates. you have people like rudy giuliani to come on tv and like to say that somehow mateen's father, who was there sitting behind hillary clinton is drown to hillary clinton for some reason other than just being a face in the crowd. i don't want to impugn that guy tonight waving that confederate flag on donald trump, i don't think that's fair.
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i hope trump supporters do the same and don't impugn everyone who shows up at the rally. >> okay, we'll be right back. great grains cereals are made fromreal fruit,clusters, wholesome nuts and crunchy flakes. good things come together to make one great thing. great grains. why be good when you can be great?
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