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hi, everyone. top of the hour. i'm poppy harlow in today for my friend, brooke baldwin. we begin with this, donald trump bruised by sagging poll numbers. any moment trump will make his first appearance on a campaign stage since blaming the media for a backlash that he got after tripling down on his false declaration that president obama founded isis. he tweeted this morning, ratings challenge reports so seriously that i called president obama and clinton the founder of isis
and mvp. they don't get sarcasm. this is despite rejecting several opportunities to clarify his wore over the last 24 hours, including, frankly, being handed quite a lifeline by two conservative hosts. the flip-flop has trump faces pretty big problems in a number of key states. brand-new polls, north carolina, that went red. went for romney in 2012. clinton now shows a staggering nine-point advantage over trump, 48%-39%. in the key battleground of florida, clinton has launched ahead of trump by five points, 44%-39%. let's talk about it all with cnn's senior white house correspondent, jim acosta. trump will take the stage at any moment. he was certainly riled at his rally yesterday. what do you expect he'll say on stage today? >> reporter: well, what we're going to be listening for in just a few moments here is whether donald trump repeats this contention on his part that
he was only being sarcastic when he said that president obama was the founder of isis. you recall last night at that rally just outside of orlando he once again used that description that president obama's the founder of isis, said he is the founder in a true sense. so he was tripling down or quadrupling down or however you want to put it. then in morning we saw the tweet from donald trump saying that it was only sarcasm. but this is a critical moment for donald trump. as you mentioned, battleground state polls that just came out this afternoon from d.c., nbc news and "wall street journal" shows he's in deep, deep trouble if he wants to beat hillary clinton in november. will we see donald trump taking on a more serious posture on terrorism. his campaign confirmed monday in ohio he will be delivering a speech on terrorism on how to combat terrorism. i'm guessing a lot of people inside the republican party are going to listen to that to see
just what he has to say about this because the fears are starting to build up and down the ballot. mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader, just in the last 24 hours expressing this concern that the republicans could lose the majority and the senate. that is a real concern. if it is being said outside by the senate majority leader, then it is being expressed privately in republican circles all over the country. poppy. >> and it gets to the letter written by all of those republican leaders to the rnc saying, look, take your efforts off funding the trump campaign and look down ballot because that's what's critical right now. much more on that later in the show. jim, thank you very much. we'll come back to you in erie when donald trump does take the stage. i do want to get to the democratic side now though because today is tax release day for hillary clinton. democratic candidate sharing with the public her 2015 tax returns. it is a move that she hopes will put extra pressure on donald trump to release his tax
returns. don't hold your breath though. trump has repeatedly refused to release his tax returns. he says he's been you had ditau multiple years. monica, thanks for being with me. big headline here -- the clintons made a lot of money in 2015. they paid a lot of taxes. how do you see it? >> headlines, exactly correct. they made $10.6 million and paid boo coo in taxes really at the effective rate of 30.6%. the highest tax bracket in the u.s. is 39.6%. that's over income that's generally over $450,000. really not a lot to scratch your head about other than things we've heard before is the clintons get paid a lot for speeches and in addition, they gave about 10% of their income to charity. but that charity happens to be the clinton foundation so that will probably give other people something else to talk about.
>> it is interesting. look, they made a lot less in 2015 than 2014 because in q1 of 2015 she stopped those paid speeches. right? but usually the wealthier you are, the more you can write off. there is a bunch of loopholes that are totally legal in our tax code. it is interesting at first blush, it doesn't appear that she as candidate clinton took advantage of a lot of those. >> well, the biggest deduction that's available to high net worth individuals really is charitable contributions. the clintons have a world renowned charity and they give a lot of money to it. but the clinton foundation also has been the subject of financial investigation. it was flagged by charity navigator for most of 2015. there are a lot of questions being raised about the books for that charity. so while that's not going to show up on their personal return, that would be sort of the fog behind all of this.
but it is fairly straightforward. >> she is, though, sort of paying the taxes that she is calling on other wealthy americans to pay. right? she pays over 30% which is in accordance with the buffett rule which calls for anyone -- if it were made law, which calls for anyone who makes over $1 million a year to pay at least 30% in their taxes. >> yes, that's correct. the clintons are paying close to what they should be paying. but at the same token, you can't ignore the politics in all of this. there are many different instances where the clintons aren't as forthcoming about releasing information. but here as far as taxes go, they are following the book. they are walking the line. >> now it is sort of to trump. and she clearly is putting these out at a strategic time. monica, thank you very much. both candidates right now in damage control for different reasons. clinton's lead in the polls certainly widening, especially in some of those key swing states, surging ahead of trump in the battleground states of north carolina and florida.
joining me now, ana marie cox, senior political correspondent for mtv news. boris epstein, senior advisor for the trump campaign and former mccain/palin aide. patrick healy, political correspondent for the "times." let me begin down the middle with patrick healy. you have a new piece out in the "times" and you talk about a ceiling. you say mr. trump now faces the great possibility that his missteps have erected a ceiling over his support. is that exactly what we're seeing in this poll? >> that's what we're seeing. there is such anxiety right now among trump supporters that loyal republicans, anti-establishment independents, clinton-hating democrats who would normally be attracted to donald trump's scripted message are being turned off by these sort of unscripted shoot from the hip comments that either seem strange or offensive or
alarming. the feeling like they want sort of the policy, they want the critique of hillary clinton, but instead they're getting these sort of -- a lot of mud that's being thrown around and questions being raised. >> patrick, this isn't just anecdotal. you quote specific trump supporters in your piece who say, i was okay with it in the beginning, now sort of too much. >> yeah. i've been basically spending some time with voters in pennsylvania a few days ago. these trump supporters were saying, you know, i vacillate every time he opens his mouth. we're not sure what's going to come out. it is starting to get a little bit embarrassing. look, he has a very loyal base, but the question is, is there a ceiling that is coming down now over that base. every political candidate wants the ability to grow. usually you see that movement to the middle, that attempt to grow your base after the conventions. right now, trump is stuck in pennsylvania, in florida, in north carolina. the polls that we are seeing today where he's not able to
crack even 40% or 45%, whereas hillary clinton is growing. >> there is, boris, you as a trump supporter, a very big difference between a primary and getting $14 million votes in a primary and a general election. >> sure. >> these numbers have to be concerning to you. >> that's one poll that he actually outperformed throughout the primaries. if you look at the "l.a. times" poll, within one point. literally one point. >> in what state are you talking about? i'm -- >> "l.a. times" national -- >> i want to talk about the brand-new polls on key states. a nine-point spread in north carolina. this state went red for romney in 2014. >> if you klook at the key poll in florida and ohio two points -- >> you're not answering the question about the poll that i'm asking you about. is there a concern there? there's been 21 days since the rnc ended. my question to you is are you concerned that it's been a bad three weeks for your candidate? >> what i'm concentrating on is the 87 days we have until election. of course broadening the
spectrum, making sure that we have as many voters on the trump train as possible. and make sure we drive home the message of the economy and national security. he'll be giving a big speech on monday on combating terrorism. and that will be -- >> that's what he could have done. he could have spent the last three weeks talking about a bad gdp report, really anemic growth in this country, talking about specific plans to fight isis. instead it was the battle with the gold star family, the khans -- >> poppy, we could be talking about that if you ask me about national security. >> we want the candidate to come on cnn and talk about the plans. >> the candidate is giving a speech in half-an-hour, a big speech on anti-terrorism on monday. there was a big speech on the economy on monday on this past monday which was a huge contrast to hillary clinton. hillary clinton just gave a retried -- you could have gone on the website for center for american progress from 2008. donald trump gave fresh ideas. >> in this speech we are about to watch what is the over/under
for how many new ideas or policy proposals he puts out? what are you chanced -- >> there are policies on taxes -- >> you say that all the time. that next speech. does that mean he will avoid the sheer kind of mud slinging he has been doing and talk about serious policy proposals? >> you absolutely will on monday. i'm sure you will come up with some example that makes you disagree. >> whatever the case may be. i want to just point out one thing before i get started. which is that you went to the "new york times" reporters down the middle and you are have an official association with the trump campaign. i'm not an official surrogate. i have no association with the hillary campaign. i didn't support her in the primaries. it is a little unfair perhaps to have me arguing with him because i am definitely not a trump supporter. >> you don't have to argue with him. >> oh, except sometimes when people say things that bother me. >> who did you support in the primary? >> bernie sanders. i'm not afraid to talk about who i support. i think that what's interesting here is in order for trump to raise his ceiling he'll
essentially have to find some undiscovered state of white voters. he'll have to find more non-college educated white voters. he's losing all these other categories. he's losing in places like florida which is in a central state where he has, if i recall correctly, zero offices. is that correct? >> that's incorrect. there is is a big florida operation -- >> what office? >> and the rnc team. this ceiling talk is something we've heard throughout the primary. remember 20% was a ceiling. 30% was a ceiling. >> you have to point out that it is a different equation in a general. patrick healy, to you. big meeting in florida today. reince priebus is not there, trump is not there but representatives from both the rnc and the trump camp are there. there has been a lot of different reporting on this. some say it is a "come to sjesu" meeting. some say don't make much of it. here's what donald trump said on fox.
>> if it is true, that's okay, too, because all i'll have to do is stop funding the republican party. i'm the one raising the money for them. right now i'm in orlando. i'm going to a fund-raiser for the republican party. so if they want to do that, they can save me a lot of time and a lot of energy. >> so patrick healy, to you. it is interesting trump said, if the rnc doesn't want to help me anymore, doesn't want to raise money for me, et cetera, fine, i'll stop raising money for them. who needs who more? >> i think at this point donald trump needs the rnc to be coming through for him in a the lo of the states where trump doesn't have an organization and hillary clinton is building a serious ground game in ohio, florida, north carolina, colorado, where trump is behind. look, trump is the headliner. i mean he's one who comes into the room who can bring the money into the room, raise money for the party. there is no question. but the party ultimately wants to be standing, and hopefully
winning, on election day. their view is that it is good when donald trump gives a speech like he's going to give apparently on monday on terrorism, like he did last monday on the economy. the problem is that all those days in between when a typical nominee would be repeating the points and hammering away at the vulnerabilities of his opponent, donald trump is instead throwing kind of red meat to his own supporters at rallies to kind of delight them and energize them, and then creating giant distractions from those speeches that the party wants to give. so what i've been hearing from republicans is what's going on in orlando, is basically trying to send the message -- look, some things he does very well and we're grateful for the fund-raising side. but is there some way to keep some kind of control and discipline on the days when he's not sticking to a teleprompter.
>> let me ask you this. this letter, just pulling up the letter myself. this letter from republican leaders to the rnc. basically saying abandon our candidate, put your money down ballot because we need to -- we need it in the senate and house races. the pushback on that is, is that ignoring the voice of the voters? is that ignoring the voice of the 14 million-plus people who gave their support to him in the primary and saying we know better, we, the elite, if you will, or the party leaders, know better? >> well, in my opinion i think we're in a sort of "you broke it, you buy it" situation. which is to say the rnc and the republican party created the phenomenon that is donald trump through various moves they've had throughout the decades. i think, yeah, they should stick with him. i agree, think donald trump is the nominee of the party, he represents the party. perhaps in ways that republicans wish he didn't. but, no, i think it is fair to say that he is the nominee and they should support him. i think this is an abandoning ship as he gets more and more extreme and people want to
dissociate themselves with him. if they do abandon him, that's real trouble because, as boris pointed out, he's really relying on the rnc and towards like doing state by state -- when i asked about florida -- >> i said the campaign and rnc have a big presence in florida. that's specifically what i said. don't misstate what i said. >> without the rnc he would have very little presence in florida and other states. i have heard he asked at this meeting to have presences in all 50 states. if that's true that shows a certain amount of i would say optimism perhaps. perhaps over optimism. >> boris, i want you to respond to what we -- what sounded like to a lot of people as pretty fatalistic talk yesterday especially when he was talking about utah. he basically said i need you, utah, utah is a big risk for us right now. he talked in that tone about pennsylvania and virginia. sort of the first time we've heard donald trump speaking so pessimistically about the outlook. how did you see it? >> are you going to play the clip? >> do we have time, guys?
>> i just keep doing the same thing i'm doing right now. at the end it is either going to work or i'm going to -- i'm going to have a very, very nice, long vacation. >> that was one. we'll play some from utah later. >> utah, the governor of utah, said utah is absolutely going for trump. in polling since august 4 trump's ahead by four months. couple months ago on this network there is a big cry about how trump is not raising any money. trump raised $80 million in july. that's a huge haul. >> he a he not spending a lot of it. . that's a concern among some republicans, he's not spending it on advertising. >> if you want to talk about the issues, let's talk about the pay to play. let's talk about drew griffin's report on clinton and cheryl mills. we could be talking about it. there is nothing that donald trump has said or has done last 24 hours that you want to be concentrating on. now we talk about literally a process story about a meeting in florida. where is the 33,000 e-mails for the clintons? what happened with cheryl mills in those meetings with walmart
and amazon? that's what i'd love to talk about. those are real issues. you have a candidates on the democrat side -- >> boris, all day we've been talking about it. we'll continue to talk about it. i have you on as part of the trump camp to answer why the polls are sagging so much. >> the polls will go up and we'll win on november 8th. >> okay. thank you. you guys can continue at commercial break. patrick healy, thank you so much. coming up next, after repeatedly calling president obama the founder of isis, donald trump says, no, i wasn't being serious. i was just being sarcastic. we will debate. also, a member of the kennedy family says stop calling donald trump crazy. he will join me live to explain. and moments from now, trump speaks live in pennsylvania. we'll bring it to you. stay with us. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom?
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when he said it over and over again. here is a reminder of what's transpired over the last 48 hours. >> he's the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. they're the founders. >> barack obama and hillary clinton. these are the founders of isis. >> last night you said that the president was the founder of isis. i know what you meant. you meant he created the vacuum, he lost the peace. >> no. he is the founder of isis. i do. he with a the most valuable player. i give him the most valuable player award. i give her, too. >> he's not sympathetic to them. he hates them. >> he was the founder. >> donald trump says you didn't get it, i was being sarcastic. he tweeted that we in the media don't get it. saying ratings challenged cnn reports so seriously that i called mr. obama and clinton the founders of isis an mvp.
they don't get sarcasm. patrick healy, political correspondent is back with me. patrick, give me historical context. have we ever seen anything like this? >> no nothing like this, poppy. you know when politicians are sarcastic. hillary clinton is very sarcastic in private but she knows that it doesn't play particularly well with voters so you know when she's joking but most of the time she's pretty serious. the thing right now is, donald trump has really become his own chief political advisor. cory lewandowski played that role for a long time. some of his children and his son-in-law, jared kushner, give him political advice. but in terms of some of his instincts, he's deciding a lot of this for himself. it is sort of clear that for about 48 hours, as you pointed out, he sort of settled on this idea of linking president obama as being the founder of isis. even when hugh hewitt and other conservatives kind of gave him a
chance to walk it back, it was obvious that trump himself had decided that he thought this was kind of a good message to prosecute against obama and hillary clinton. i've heard trump when he's sarcastic. you know he's being sarcastic. for a little while he seemed to think this was a good way to go. >> even let's say for argument sake is a, take trump at his word right now that, yes, he was being sarcastic. look to the pundits. look to the trump surrogates who have been all over the airwaves for the last 24 hours, the way that they have been defending donald trump is saying he meant it, it's true. case in point, newt gingrich. listen. >> look, i strongly support trump and i think he'd be a much better president, much less dangerous president than hillary clinton whose corruption and dishonesty gets bigger and bigger every day. one of the things that's frustrating about his candidacy is the imprecise language. he sometimes uses three words
when he needs ten. for example, i think it is perfectly fair to say in a very powerful debate to say that the obama/clinton decision to pull out of iraq created the vacuum which enabled isis to emerge. >> so that's case in point. supporters on the air saying he meant it. he just could have said it better. >> right. and chris cuomo's great interview with rudy giuliani sort of got to this as well. people like giuliani and newt gingrich who are professional politicians know how to kind of make the case. but donald trump sort of sees himself, again, as a showman, as an entertainer. he had great success on the"the apprentice" with saying "you're fired." he likes to talk in sort of tight language like a muslim ban, "something's going on with president obama," "something's going on with the country." or, "i don't know, second amendment people could take some action."
"i don't know, maybe they could." this sort of language that he uses is not the language of professional politicians like newt gingrich was just suggesting. this is the language that donald trump kind of works in. it is sort of suggestive. it is, frankly, somewhat dark and kind of a lot of insinuations. >> but i will say, patrick, it is part of what has drawn so many people to support him, that he does not sound like any other politician, past or present. >> you are totally right. >> thank you. coming up next boris was saying we're not covering, we're covering. a top hillary clinton aide travels by train to new york. but the reason for her travel was a mystery until now. brand-new details about the state department's relationship with the clinton foundation and that woman, cheryl mills, at the center of all of it. also at any moment, donald trump will speak live in the key state of pennsylvania as a brand-new poll shows him trailing in four battleground states. we will bring you his remarks from erie next. you're watching cnn.
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. take a look at this. this is a surprise appearance on this friday afternoon. rnc chairman reince priebus in erie, pennsylvania on stage at a trump rally introducing the candidate. why this is significant is because this comes amid so much talk about the divide or a reported "come to jesus" meeting between the rnc and the trump campaign in orlando today. clearly here you see the republican national committee chairman coming out, showing his support for donald trump, introducing him here, just moments ago saying this man will win. we'll monitor this and bring you trump when he comes live to the
stage. meantime, donald trump is struggling in utah. it is a state that's about as rock-solid republican as any state can be in this nation. mitt romney won utah with more than 70% of the vote back in 2012. donald trump brought up his utah struggles with a group of evangelical voters in florida yesterday. listen. >> you got to get your people out to vote. and especially in those states where we're represented -- having a tremendous problem in utah. utah is a different place. is anybody here from utah? i mean it's -- i didn't think so. we're having a problem. i mean because -- look, it could cost us the supreme court. >> let's listen in to donald trump as he takes the stage here in pennsylvania. the context of this is important because pennsylvania in the trump campaign calculus is really as close to a must-win state as you can get. he's going after those white blue-collar workers that have
lost their manufacturing jobs in that state and along the rustbelt. these are the people he needs to win. as you remember, the latest polling shows him pretty significantly behind hillary clinton in pennsylvania as he embraces reince priebus, the rnc chairman there, showing the two of them are one together but are fighting against the reporting saying, no, there is a divide. so let's listen in to donald trump as he soaks in those who are cheering for him there. jim acosta is live there as well so let's listen. >> thank you. thank you, everybody. thank you. unbelievable. thank you very much. thank you very much. it is a great honor. thank you. amazing. amazing. what great people. we're going to bring back our
jobs to pennsylvania. we're going to bring back our jobs to the united states. we're going to bring back our jobs, folks. i've looked at the numbers and i see what's happening in pennsylvania. i see what's happening all over our country. you look at new york state. you look at new england. you look anywhere in the country we want to go to, all over, it is the same. manufacturing, way down. jobs way down. you go to other countries. they're taking our companies. they're taking our jobs. people are right now working harder than they've ever worked. 18 years ago they made more money in real wages. 18 years. think of it. 18 years ago many of the people in this incredibly big room -- and thank you for being here. you know, it is 93 degrees out.
amazing. and they still have a lot of people trying to get in. i don't know if they can get them in. should we let them in? just let them in. but 18 years ago people were making more money in real wages than they make today. and today they're working two jobs. some people are working three jobs. so they're older and they're working harder, and they're make being less money. all right? a friend of mine -- i've been telling this story over the last month because it is better than going to wharton or better than going to harvard and ask is them to do a study. because you learn it in three minutes. but let me just tell you, right now, mexico and other countries are building facilities, plants, the likes of which you've never seen. we're going to wall, don't
worry. we're going to build a wall. we're going to build a wall. we're going to build a wall. but a friend of mine -- and actually, a supporter, big supporter, great guy -- he builds plants. that's what he does. he builds plants. he doesn't want to build apartments. he doesn't want to build office buildings. he wants to build plants. he's just about the biggest there is. i said how are things going? he said very well. how are you doing in the u.s.? not good. how you doing in mexico? he said, donald, you want to see, it is the eighth wonder of the world. they are building plants the likes of which i've never seen. he's building some of the greatest plants, big. you look at ford moving vast operations to mexico. the plants. you look at -- take a look. by the way, millions of jobs, thousands of companies over the
years, they've left us. and we have a few things. we have unemployment, we have empty plants. i saw it up in new york state. i saw it in pennsylvania. you were great to me, you voted a big victory for donald trump. thank you. that was a big victory. i assumed i was -- if i don't win pennsylvania. and by the way, i was talking to our great congressman -- and where is he? he's here someplace. where is he? he loves the people. and i have to say of all of pennsylvania, he wants to see this state do well. thank you. but just talking back to a few of my friends that live here, we have a few other friends. we see what's happening with general electric where they're
cutting way back. not going to happen. you know why they're cutting back, one reason. because we don't take care of our miners and we're not producing coal. and they don't need to make those big, big beautiful -- you could call them locomotives. i guess. right? whatever the hell they are, they're big and they're powerful. and they don't need them like they used to because we don't make our government work for us. they're not working for us. they're working for others. they're not working for us. so when general electric goes out and you see the numbers. i see the numbers. and it's about coal. i just left parts of virginia and west virginia, and the coal industry's decimated. the miners are out of work. they're totally out of work.
there will be no such thing as coal in this country pretty soon. we're talking clean coal. we're talking clean coal. so i was with the miners. we have such tremendous support. west virginia. the mining parts of virginia. all over. ohio. because hillary clinton made the statement not so long ago, number of months ago. she said we're going to put the mines and the miners out of business. right? so, so we're not going to let that happen. we're not going to let that happen. and we're not going to let it happen in pennsylvania because you know what? a lot of your miners have already lost their jobs. but you have a lot of other jobs that are very reliant on the mines. like, as an example, general electric. and what we're going to do, folks, is going to be so special. we're going to bring it back.
we're going to bring back our jobs. we're going to bring back our companies. when a company wants to leave our country to go to another country, and think they're going to make their product, and because our politicians are weak, stupid, taken care of by lobbyists, special interests, they're taken care of by lobbyists. they're taken care of by donors and special interests. friend of mine, very smart guy, said i can't believe it. we were talking about a deal that took place about a month ago. he said i can't believe they could have gotten that through. i said why can't you believe it? it's so bad for the country. i said, yeah, but it is good for the politician because they're taken care of by their lobbyists and their donors and special interests. so even though you say we want, as an example, general electric to produce more, if they don't
want to, or if for some reason one of the donors of crooked hillary clinton doesn't want that to happen, even though it is great for erie, even though it is great for you, even though it is great for the state of pennsylvania, it is not going to happen, folks. it is not going to happen. by the way, i have to tell you this. so when they think they're going to take our companies and rip them out of -- as an example -- this area or this state, or any other state, and go to mexico and build massive new plants and employ people other than you, and you're going to lose your job so you're going to now get two part-time jobs that don't add up to half of what you used to make, that stuff isn't happening anymore. so here's what's happening. they're going to build that plant. now if i were here five years ago, and if president obama put me and made me secretary of keeping business in the united
states. that's my title. secretary of keeping business in the united states. i mean i like the sound of secretary of defense better. by the way, we're going to build up our military. we're going to be very strong. believe me. we're going to take care of our vets. we're going to take care of our vets. believe me. but i like the sound -- i like the sound of secretary of defense. i like the sound of secretary of the treasury. i like the sound of secretary of state. but i'll tell you, would i be good at keeping jobs over here. would i be -- i'll tell you
you know, it's interesting. if i could speak to them for like five minutes, we want a strong military, we want to take care of our people, we want good education, we want good housing, we want good health care. what do we want? we're all in for the same thing. really amazing. so i'll be your secretary of keeping companies in the united states. so i would go to a company like carrier air conditioning which decided to leave indianapolis, indiana. and i would say -- here's the story. we think it is wonderful that you're negotiating with mexico. i'm sure you're going to have a wonderful plant. but here's what's going to happen. if you build that plant and you fire all of these people -- 1,400 people, who were so great to me. indiana, i won that in a landslide. actually, the timing was good. i won it in a landslide because
i know what to do. hillary doesn't know what to do. did you see her yesterday? she has no clue what we're talking about. folks, she has no clue. she has no clue. crooked hillary. she doesn't know anything about it. by the way, if she did, she couldn't do it anyway because her donors don't want to do this. i would go and say this is to keep them. i wouldn't even care that much. you know why? i'd say, here's the story. if you leave in this case indianapolis, you're going to go to mexico, make your air conditioning units. every single unit that you make that crosses our now very, very strong border, we're going to charge you 35% of the cost of that unit. okay? 35%. right? 35% the cost of that unit.
we hope you enjoy your new plant. very hot weather out there. very hot. we hope you enjoy your new plant. but 35% is coming to us. now here's what's going to happen, if they haven't moved yet. a lot of them have moved. we've lost thousands and thousands of companies. we've lost millions of jobs. too late. i should have been there ten years ago. nobody would have left. nobody would have left. because you need the right message ge messenger. you need the right person saying it. normally they call up whoever it is that is putting the little order down like the new president. and they'd have one of their lobbyists call up and they'd say, hillary, i'm sorry, you can't do that, they gave you $2 million for your campaign. can't do that, hillary. okay, i won't do that. with me, i'm putting my money up, folks. i'm putting my money up. putting my money up. >> there you have it, donald
trump doubling down on his focus on jobs, on manufacturing in the key swing state of pennsylvania. there saying at one point i'll be your secretary of keeping companies in the united states. he was briefly interrupted by protesters walking down the steps there carrying signs that said "tax forms." clearly calling on the candidate to release his tax returns as secretary clinton did today. interesting, he was just calling for a 35% tariff on anything imported to this country from mexico. many economists say that would throw this country into a recession, no question. the last time that this country slapped a bunch of tariffs on imports was back in the 1930s. it is widely believed to have lengthened the great depression. just some context here. let's talk about all of it and more with hal boyd, opinion editor for "the desert news" in salt lake city. hal, your take on his speech and also specifically on utah. i've just learned that donald trump has agreed to write an op-ed for your paper. clinton has already done that.
what does he need to say to keep utah red this time around? >> i think some of the comments which he made during that speech i find very interesting because they're applicable here in utah. we have a coal industry in this state. i think those who are involved with that industry would be interested in hearing that perspective from donald trump, that he wants to keep clean coal. of course, there are also quite a few of tech and energy jobs which are coming and replacing. and solar jobs here. so i think that's certainly a lively topic for utahans as well as those in pennsylvania, in coal country in west virginia and elsewhere. but i think, especially here in utah, he made some comments that you may have seen last night indicating that he's got a problem in this state, electoral problem. that he's not polling in the same way that he is in red states. i'd like to say the first part of the road to recovery is to recognize that you have a problem. at least he's done that.
so far. now the question is what is he going to do to try to win utah voters back. he has just -- within the hour -- confirmed that he, personally, with his team, is actually writing an op-ed for "the desert" news here in salt lake city that will be published next week. this comes in the wake of a piece that was published earlier this week on wednesday online and will appear in the sunday edition this week from hillary clinton. so very fascinating and interesting to watch these two use the paper's forum as a place for civil dialogue and to try to present their case to the utah voters. >> we'll watch, read it when it comes out. interesting to see utah, he thinks at least, sort of in play this time around, saying we have a problem there. we'll see if he can convince the voters in that op-ed. hal, thank you. nice to have you on the program. coming up next, former congressman patrick kennedy says people should stop calling donald trump crazy. he will join me live next.
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the son of the late senator edward kennedy wants people to start calling republican presidential nominee donald trump "crazy." the former democratic congressman wrote in the "washington post" op-ed that the label is demeaning to all of those who suffer in this country from mental illness. it's very, very important to discuss. he is a long-time mental health advocate. he is also the co-author of a book, "a common struggle -- a personal journey through the past and future of mental illness and addiction." thank you for being with me, sir. i know you are in martha's vineyard where later tonight you will host a community fund-raiser talking about your own personal battle with illness and addiction. so thank you for being with us today. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> walk me through your argument here. you say do not use this word, no matter how much you may not like a candidate, no matter how much you might think what they say is preposterous, do not use the word crazy. >> well, first, i think there's plenty of things that we can
attack donald trump with. we can tell people about even how leading republican economists say that his proposals will cost 3.5 million jobs and put us into a recession. that's mark zandi, republican advisor to john mccain. we could talk about his demeaning rhetoric -- >> also donor to the clinton camp. to be clear. >> -- can say all kinds of demeaning rhetoric about other people in this country simply because of sexual orientation, race, color, creed, religion. i just don't think we ought to be joining in and stooping to that level by joining in this debasing of the american experience where we are now losing what it is to be americans in this debate, where we debate issues, we debate ideas, and instead we become no better than the person we're
attacking in donald trump by being schoolyard bullies and calling people names. i just don't think it enhances what we want for our country, especially if what we want from our country is more than what donald trump is offering. why we would ever adopt his mode of attack and use it against him, i only think it reflects poorly on ourselves for those of us who do not want to end up becoming part of his whole, you know, spiel of demeaning other people to get ahead, winners and losers. that's not what america is about. i don't know why we would want to join in that kind of attack and -- i've never heard at word "crazy" uttered with compassion. it's just a demeaning word. my cousin, tim shriver, led the effort to end the use of "retarded" for people who have intellectual and developmental disabilities. my aunt eunice kennedy shriver started the premise we would
honor people's dignity and humanity. you don't honor people's dignity and humanity when you call them names. even if they are donald trump and even if we don't like donald trump. that doesn't advance what we're all about, which is our common humanity. whether you're a person who suffers, as i do, from a mental illness or addiction, or whether you're a person who is also marginalized in this country because of race, color or creed, we're all in this as americans. and we shouldn't be putting one another down no matter what the difference amongst us is. >> congressman, you write in your op-ed, when that lang is commonplace, it becomes that much harder for those experiencing mental illness to openly seek treatment that works. you're talking about not only the partisan bickering and name calling and finger pointing, you are talking about a real material impact on those who need the most help. >> well, it's also about insurance companies continuing to impose really onerous medical management decisions, i.e.,
preauthorization for someone with a mental illness or addiction, which you would never impose on someone seeking care for heart disease or cancer or diabetes. insurance companies get away with it. other people get away with it. why? because we've so demeaned the person suffering from this illness that no one cares about their rights. and that's what's so wrong about the donald trump campaign. he couldn't care less about real people. and yet we end up joining that inadvertently when we attack him as being "crazy." that just does not enhance our status as americans when we're trying to make a case not against donald trump but against his vision for america which is not enhanced when we resort to this kind of name calling that, frankly, michelle obama spoke to eloquently about when she said we need to take the high road here. leave the schoolyard bullying to donald trump. that seems to be his expertise. >> congressman kennedy, i wish
we had more time but i would point people to your opinion piece in the "washington post." thank you for being with me today. >> i am so grateful for having me on. thank you for having me. two nypd officers being hailed at heroes. our cnn national correspondent has their story of bravery in this week's "beyond the call." >> reporter: nypd sergeant arma in ni was born and raised in afghanistan and came to the united states on a calling. >> seen a lot of people die in front of my eyes. i was a kid but i was helpless. i couldn't do anything for them. you know what i mean? and i always wanted to be able to save someone's life. >> reporter: he's now raising had is 12-year-old daughter in new york. armani is a single father. >> every time i leave home, she gives me a big hug and she holds my hand, looks in my eyes. says, dad, promise me you're going to come home.
>> it is a promise the 10-year veteran almost couldn't keep. armani was patrolling new york's times square, the crossroads of america, with officer peter sibolski. >> i am sitting in the passenger seat, he's sitting in the driver's seat. next thing i know something hits my right hand, then it hits the dashboard. i look over to see who just threw something at me and i see a man giving me a really mean grin and speeds off very quickly. so i look back to see what it was that was thrown at me. goes, boss, this is a bomb. it was making a clicking sound. it was flashing a bright light. i felt like we had 15 seconds before this thing detonated. in my mind i accepted that we are going to die. i wanted to get as far as possible because i didn't want anybody else to die with us. >> reporter: the officers drove away from the crowd, bomb in hand. with seconds passing, they prayed together, two men, different faiths. >> i looked up. god, i just don't want to feel pain. at the same time, he was praying.
>> i made the sign of the cross, started saying the "our father." >> reporter: the bomb squad eventually determined the bomb was fake and hours popularity police captured the person suspected of throwing it in the van. the pair returned home as heroes and armani's promise to his daughter remained intact. >> the minute i got home i hugged her. she goes, dad, don't you ever do that again. >> reporter: cnn, new york. top of the hour. 3:00 eastern. i'm poppy harlow in today for my friend, brooke baldwin. we begin with donald trump taking the stage just moments ago in pennsylvania with a surprise man introducing him. the head of the rnc, reince priebus. his appearance pretty shocking considering reports the two have been failing to see eye to eye, to say the least, on the direction of donald trump's campaign. it was trump's first appearance on a campaign stage since his latest firestorm. trump now saying that he did not
mean seriously that president obama was the founder of isis after he said that exact same thing four times. he blamed the media on twitter for the backlash, tweeting, ratings challenged cnn reports so seriously that i called president obama and clinton the founder of isis and mvp. they don't get sarcasm. but despite another controversy, his biggest problem may lie in these new polls. trump slumping in a number of key swing states. new polling today shows that in north carolina clinton has a staggering nine-point advantage over trump. in the battleground state of florida, clinton launched ahead of trump in this latest polling by five points. dana bash, cnn chief political correspondent is with me. first talk about the significance of half-an-hour ago reince priebus walks on stage and gives a warm introduction to donald trump, embraces him and says, this man will win. >> reporter: right. well, first of all, just the fact that we all went, wow, the rnc chair is at the republican
nominee's rally speaking is a wow, kind of tells you what the state of play is right now. we should note that i don't think -- the two of them are kind of i think what i call a tough love relationship at this point. you know, there has been tension, particularly as we reported last week, after donald trump neglected at first -- or decided at first, i should say, to not endorse reince priebus' s very old deer friend from wisconsin who happens to be the speaker of the house, paul ryan. then they have a tough conversation. bup reince priebus is still very much connected to donald trump and visa versa. the two of them need each other at this point. so the fact of the fact is we didn't know that reince priebus was going to come out and speak. i'm still trying to dig on exactly what happened backstage to make that happen. but the fact that priebus did
come out was no doubt a signal. just his presence there was a signal that they're trying to kind of keep the band together at this point. >> your reporting had been, and appears very correctly so, that this sort of meeting in orlando that was billed as a "come to jesus" moment between the rnc and trump camp may not have been so much that. >> reporter: right. there was a report that there was, as you said, sort of a "come to jesus" meeting in florida. my understanding according to my sources and our jim acosta and others is that it is a routine meeting which they're supposed to have, and they need to have be with to troo, to try to get up to speed with is a whole nother story with field offices and staffers in key battleground states. florida certainly one of them. >> dana bash, thanks so much. lots to cover with our political panel this hour. including a hillary clinton just releasing her tax returns.
a cnn political commentator is with us, republican strategist. maria cardona, democratic strategist and supporter of hillary clinton. pastor mark burns with us, a donald trump supporter. david ca ntones, senior politicl reporter. doug, you ran three senate campaigns. north carolina. right? obama took the state in 2008. romney took it in 2012. this is a state that donald trump should not be nine points behind in. how concerning is that for him? >> it is very concerning. the reason is it isn't just poll numbers it is what we hear on the ground or frankly what we are are not hearing on the ground. typically in north carolina republicans have done very well in the east where more white conservative voters. he'll certainly do still very well there but there are less of those voters. the question is how is donald trump going to organize suburban areas outside of raleigh, outside of charlotte, my
hometown of winston-salem. reality is he doesn't have people on the ground to do so. only time you hear campaign staffers of trump being talked about in carolina, it is the fact that one recently pulled a gun on another. in this crazy campaign i wish i could say that's a joke, that's react. >> pastor burns, you are a trump supporter, a believer that this man will be next president. you're seeing hillary clinton starting to run the table on trump in some of these states that would never have been considered in play before this week, whether we are talking about georgia or arizona or now look at north carolina. nine-point spread. how concerned are you? >> i'm not concerned at all. i think right now obviously there is still a lot of race to go, the race is not over at all. again, i think we're in a political climate to where liberal media's really done a good job in painting a narrative that is making it unpopular for people to publicly support donald trump. >> pastor, i'm not painting any narrative. i'm pointing out objective poll numbers. >> i'm not blaming you per se,
poppy. i'm saying in general. not this show or you right now. but in general the political climate has again labeled donald trump as a racist, as a bigot, as a loud mouth, as all of these characteristics that aren't befitting of a president. >> i just think we've let his -- hold on, pastor. >> i want to finish my statement. he's really just speaking the heart of what millions of americans are saying. so again, the american people, the republican party, put donald trump where -- >> here's case in point. let me push back on you. here's case in point, this latest kerfuffle over him saying president obama was founder of isis. those are his own words out of his mouth being played over the airwaves, four different occasions, if not more. and he doubled down on them in his interview with bill o'reilly, in his interview with conservative host hugh hewitt. those are his words. those are not spun by anyone in the media.
>> i think again, it just -- that is one of the aspects and characteristics of donald trump that has won the hearts of millions of americans in this country. the country knows that donald trump is not this polished, paper-cut cutter politician like hillary clinton is, but he is from the heart, speaks from his soul, and -- >> but which one was from the heart? was it that obama is the founder of isis or was it that we just didn't get that he was kidding and being sarcastic? >> i think newt gingrich spoke it pretty clearly and also i think newt gingrich stated that donald trump said three words when he could have said ten. he made it pretty clear that donald trump -- what donald trump said can be awkwardly -- inadvertently be true, that because of the failed policies of president barack obama and hillary clinton, isis is in existence. so for him to say president obama is the founder of isis,
yes, we can add some more words in to there so it can be more politically sounding. fact of the matter is president obama and hillary clinton and her failed foreign policies has created the issue and problem we have today called isis. >> hugh hewitt threw him that lifeline and donald trump stond him and said, nope, that's not what i meant. he's the founder. but let's move on and bring david in here. if you are explaining, you're losing, as i saying goes in politics. right? >> sure. and i assume pastor burns and other trump supporters are going to say everything's fine, it is the media's fault. concern should be if the trump campaign internally doesn't think this is a five-alarm fire right now? that's the problem. they don't need a pivot. they need a total change of how they're running the campaign. i did some reporting this week just talking to republican operatives who worked on presidential campaigns. they feel like they should take trump out of these rally settings, put him in small groups with home builders associations, with the kiwanis
club in local battleground states. the rally thing, we know he can draw crowds. he can do that in september and october. i think he needs a total revamp of strategy, and needs to be serious about substance, needs to show he has the temperament and frankly needs to show he cares about regular people and that this is not just about him 24/7. that means a total revamping of the strategy. i just don't know that we see any indications that's going to happen. >> i would like to echo on that. >> hold on one second, pastor. i got to get maria in here. she's been waiting so patiently to get in here. maria, look. two points on this. the polling, this polling that we just got today on these swing states includes significant amount of undecided voters. the clinton camp can't be complacent right now, right? and yes, she's clearly taunting drurl donald trump by releasing her tax returns and saying now, your turn.
at the same time she still has not released transcripts to her speeches to all of the wall street banks. >> first of all, let's talk about what has been the standard for the last 40 years of presidential candidates. it has been releasing your tax returns. so she's not taunting him. we saw a poll that said 69% of americans believe that he should be releasing his tax returns and want to see what is in them. this is something that they have grown used to, that they deserve to see. what kind of businesses they run, what are their charitable contributions, what tax rate do they pay, poppy? has donald trump paid any taxes, ever? and so i think those are very legitimate issues. >> i think the answer would be, yes, he has paid taxes. the question is what's the marginal rate, what has he contributed to charity. >> i don't know. the taxes that we have seen back in the late '70s, he had no taxes. he had a tax rate of zero because of some complicated loophole, him being a real estate mogul and all.
>> i just want -- i know you are pointing to "the new york times" piece. that's not reporting that cnn has that donald trump ever paid zero taxes. i'm just saying we don't have that reporting. >> but we don't know, right? >> you're right, it is not typical for a candidate over 40 years not to release taxes. it is not typical for a candidate to have been paid millions and millions of dollars by wall street banks which she will be a big part of regulating. that's not typical. >> but you know what, poppy? the trump campaign can point to nothing that talks about how she would change or has changed or has done anything that would be beneficial to wall street. so that's a non-issue. to focus on his temperament? that's what his poll numbers are dropping, because he -- >> keep rolling here. >> -- because the american people understand that he doesn't have the temperament to be president. >> pastor, your reaction to this specifically. this is something donald trump said last night. he talked about fund-raising for the rnc. let's listen.
>> if it is true, that's okay, too. because all i'll have it to do is stop funding the republican party. i'm the one raising the money for them. in fact, right now i'm in orlando. i'm going to a fund-raiser for the republican party. so if they want to do that be with he this save me a lot of time and a lot of energy. >> pastor, to you. he basically says, all right, well, if i'm not going to get the support i need, i don't need to raise money for the rnc. down ballot is very important as well in this election. are you concerned at all? >> well, i'm not. i'm not concerned at all. i think what donald trump was simply stating, as he stated, right now it is time -- it has been time. again, what chairman reince priebus coming out on stage today is showing that the rnc is getting behind donald trump to be president of the united states. maria, we could talk about those taxes all day long. but the fact of the matter is hillary clinton and her e-mails have caused -- has continuously
showed the fact that americans cannot trust her to become president of the united states and once again, because of hillary clinton's e-mail, it proves to the american people who is tired of the politicians, who is tired of big businesses ruling the working class to show why hillary clinton cannot be trusted and be president of the united states. >> pastor, the counter to that is, if you're talking about being transparency with the american people, in full transparency, nothing about an audit ever says you can't release your tax returns to the public. >> thank you. >> and specifically things like the marginal rate, like the charitable contributions. so you agree with me. on that, let me bring my last question. i got to get doug back in here. >> we need to have a "come to jesus" moment. >> yeah, we do. doug, something else's going on. donald trump has raised a lot of money. he is not spending much of it at all on television ads which is of some concern to party leaders.
additionally, he's using his time to go campaign in a traditionally very blue state, connecticut. does that make sense to you? >> as much as we talk about the donald trump outrage or taxes or e-mails, there's one constant. with the money that donald trump has raised there is still no competent, campaign organization that he has built. we talked about north carolina. >> why go to connecticut? >> because there is no competent campaign organization making this decisions. i was in the state of iowa last week. obviously a big state. you talk to a big -- a big swing state. talk to voters and party leaders there, they don't hear from the trump campaign because there is no mechanism for whatever trump has said this day or that day about the rnc, or hillary clinton, or anything else -- >> there's a campaign that won in the primary. >> sure but that's a totally different game of trying to identify voters, target voters, draw those voters out. they don't have the mechanism for that. no one can tell you what the donald trump campaign mechanism
is for an absentee ballot chase. they don't have that and they're not -- tv ads aside. that's what they're not spending money on. >> he's the campaign, he does whatever he wants. if he says he wants to go to connecticut and, frankly, waste a day there, no one has the power to tell him no. that is what we are seeing throughout this campaign. maybe his children we have seen instances throughout that his children have the most influence of anyone that can come in, sit him down, calm him down. but other than that, there is no one. paul manafort i think is trying his darnedest every day, day in, day out. but this campaign -- you talked about the primary, this was propelled by him doing what he wanted during the primary. he didn't run ads. he didn't raise money. he didn't kiss anyone's ring. that's how he won the primary. so in his mind he thinks this is how i'm going to do it again. they counted me out the first time, nobody said i could do it the first time. these pundits that are on cnn all day, nobody gave me a chance. this is the way i'm going to do
it again i'm going to prove everyone wrong and i think he doubles down even more when he is behind. >> he should continue to do everything he's doing. >> does he have a point there? it did win him the primary. thank you, guys, very much. we appreciate it. coming up next, a top hillary clinton aide travels by train to new york. but the reason for her travel was a mystery -- until now. we have new details about the state department's relationship with the clinton foundation ahead and the woman there at the center of all of it, cheryl mills. also, donald trump says he would be "fine" with trying americans in military courts even though it raises huge legal red flags and is unconstitutional. next. if you have medicare
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interest, nor any favors granted. the larger issue raised here -- was the clinton family's many competing and overlapping pools of interests -- the foundation, state department, the library, her campaign, et cetera, which, without clear lines of delineation, creates potential conflicts of interest. that brings us to the latest news and the latest reporting about one of secretary clinton's top state department aides who was simultaneously involved with the clinton foundation. our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin has been digging in to this story. he joins me now live. drew. >> hi, poppy. reason we're raising questions, quite frankly, is at the time of hillary clinton's confirmation as stek she sent a letter to an ethics official at the state department saying basically she wouldn't participate in anything of substance that was related to her family's foundation, the clinton foundation. well, hillary clinton didn't. but apparently one of her closest aides did.
on june 19, 2012, cheryl mills, then the chief of staff for secretary of state hillary clinton, boarded an amtrak asela train in washington's union station bound for new york. for the last seven months, senate investigators have been trying to find out what mills was up to. and for seven months the u.s. department of state has refused to answer. now cnn has learned a potential reason why. cheryl mills, then a u.s. government employee, and secretary of state clinton's chief of staff, was in new york working on behalf of the clinton foundation. a source close to the situation confirms tonn, mills was interviewing two potential candidates to lead the clinton foundation. mills would interview top level executives at walmart and a drug company pfizer. both companies, huge donors to the clinton foundation, and both have worked with the clinton global initiative. was mills' role in violation of government ethics rules? did she have permission from the u.s. department of state?
did state even know the trip was taking place? cnn has asked the u.s. state department all of these questions. this was the response. >> federal employees are permitted to engage in outside personal activities within the scope of the federal ethics rules." a state spokesperson tells cnn, "all federal employees are subject to federal ethics laws and regulations, including rules pertaining to conflicts of interest." >> reporter: the vague response raises more questions that are just not being answered. not to cnn, but worse, as one watchdog group, not to the republican-led senate judiciary committee which has a right to know. >> congress has a rightful right to ask for any information that it wants to from the executive branch of government to keep track of and the government should be turning that information over. when you have a breakdown in that system we have a breakdown in our democracy. >> reporter: it is easy to understand why cheryl mills was trusted with helping find the next director of the clinton foundation. her relationships with the clintons goes back decades.
>> i am honored to be here today on behalf of the president. >> reporter: as bill clinton's deputy white house counsel, she defended the then-president during impeachment proceedings. in 2008, when hillary clinton was running for president, mills was her senior legal campaign advisor. and when hillary clinton became secretary of state, mills left the board at the clinton foundation and became hillary clinton's chief of staff. the secrecy about the new york trip, the dual roles played by trusted assistants, the mixing of business between state, clinton foundation, and its donors, all play into a central theme of donald trump's campaign, that politicians like the clintons use government to benefit themselves. >> these are crooked people. they've been crooked from the beginning. you look at that foundation. it's pure theft and pure crookedness. >> reporter: cheryl mills' attorney says her client was simply doing volunteer work for
a charitable foundation. she was not paid. clinton foundation also says mills was not a paid employee. clinton campaign spokes plan brian fallon sent this statement -- cheryl volunteered her personal time to a charitable organization as she has to other charities. cheryl paid for her travel personally and it was crystal clear to all involved that in had nothing to do with her official duties." but as we see more and more information about the cross blending of the state department and the clinton foundation, it is bound to raise many more questions about potential conflicts of interest going forward. >> you'll be digging into all of it. drew griffin, important reporting. thank you so much. coming up next, donald trump suggests that american citizens charged with terrorism should be sent and tried in a military court. here is the thing though. that's unconstitutional. i will speak live with the
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more controversial words from donald trump during an interview with the "miami herald." the republican nominee spoke about guantanamo bay and he also said that he would be okay with prosecuting americans accused of terrorism in military tribunals. >> would you try to get the military commissions, trial court there, to try u.s. citizens? >> well, i know that they want to try them in our regular court systems and i don't like that at all. i don't like that at all. i would say they could be tried there. that will be fine.
>> well, federal law prohibits what donald trump is talking about when he says that would be fine to try american citizens in basically military tribunals or military courts. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is with me now. clearly unprecedented. >> it is, poppy. it is certainly getting some attention from the military legal community looking at this. the judge advocates, military lawyers that have such expertise in this. we've talked to some of them. and what they tell us is this. when the law was set up for guantanamo bay and military tribunals, commissions that are held there, in fact american citizens were specifically excluded. they are not permitted to be tried there. so what about changing the law if trump were elected? could he change the law so it would be allowed? one military lawyer told us this -- he could try to change it, but there is no real legal foundation for it because current federal law offers american citizens the full
protection of the u.s. legal system. there's no indication that federal law is deficient in this manner when people are charged with a crime, the federal court system is able to process them. so there would be no real foundation for changing the law. these are some of the questions that are being asked right now. donald trump has a lot of proposals. but it is raising that fundamental question, as commander in chief, if he is elected, can he unilaterally order things that are illegal for the u.s. military to do. >> like waterboarding. >> well, yeah, like waterboarding. absolutely. that's illegal. it is specifically prohibited. what experts are telling us is, look. u.s. military personnel, under the uniform code of military justice, under federal law, have a moral and legal obligation to disobey illegal orders. they simply are not permitted to obey them. i think you and i were chatting before. the other question that comes to
mind about american citizens. so, the u.s. has killed american citizens, especially the american cleric, al awlaki, in yemen, by drone attacks. what is the difference there? if that issue comes up. well, that is something that requires a presidential finding, and that is very strictly limited to areas where the u.s. is not able -- the government will tell you -- not able to go in and retrieve an american citizen in a reasonable manner and bring them to american justice. that is the preference. that's why you have seen a very, very small number of drone attacks of that sort. but just to send them to guantanamo bay, military lawyers we're talking to say, nope, can't do it, it is illegal, and no foundation for any president right now to really change that law. poppy? >> important to make sense of all of that for us this afternoon. barbara starr, thank you very much. >> sure. coming up next, two simons
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team that 13 months ago won the world cup, fascinated a nation, is now out in the quarterfinals, losing to a nemesis, sweden. their old coach coaches sweden now. they've never been able to beat her. it was in penalty kicks. the u.s. looked a little bit out of sorts throughout the entire game. completely uncharacteristic for a team that has always been at least in the semi-finals has always won a medal at the world cup and the olympic games. so it's really quite a historic achievement in the sense of bad news for the u.s. team. >> no question. a tough go for them. you still can't take away the amazing accomplishment at the world cup last year and all that this team has achieved. but let's talk about some big wins. when you look at medal count, 10 of the 16 gold medals won so far by team usa belong to females. gymnast simone biles, a huge star. let's listen to how she talked about her teammates helping her celebrate. >> once we got into the
apartment, they all ran, screamed and jumped on me and aly and they attacked us and it was very sweet. then gabby texted me while i was at the nbc house. that meant a lot to me. then whenever i got into my room, mattie and laurie wrote me a note and put it on my bedside. >> simone biles, the first woman in 20 years to win back-to-back worlds and olympic all-around titles. this is a remarkable young woman. >> reporter: oh, she is, poppy. it is one thing to have everyone in the world think you are going to win the gold medal. it is another thing entirely to actually do it. when the most pressure is on, the world is watching, the most important moment of your life and you nail it? that's pretty cool. and i think we can safely say simone biles is the best gymnast we have ever seen. we'll see how she does in the different apparatus finals. but absolutely stunning performance. u.s. wins the team competition. two days later she wins the
costs tigcost coveted title of the all-around. >> quickly about michael phelps. breaking a 2,000-year-old record. >> reporter: oh. michael phelps is the greatest olympian of all time. he has one more chance at a medal tonight, a gold medal. at 31 years old, it is a young person's game, poppy. this is young kids he's competing against. he is better than he's ever been before. i have covered him since 2000. i've never seen him do this well. it is really stunning. i'm surprised at how great he is doing but it is terrific for him, of course. >> he has said he was going to make it and this was going to be the year. and it certainly has been for him. by the way, i like to think 30s is still with the young ones. but i see your point. thank you, christine brennan. joining us from rio and thoroughly enjoying it. thank you so much. coming up next, switching gears. internet rumors about hillary clinton's health getting prime
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scrutiny for a lot of things, no question. lot of legitimate things. her e-mails, connections between the foundation and the state department, et cetera, et cetera. but, there is then this rumor, that her health is failing. it's a narrative being pushed by fox news' sean hannity in prime time all week. watch. >> what about some of the weird pauses she has, the coughing fits she has? there are moments when i'm literally watching her and i'm thinking, okay, facial expressions are odd. they seem off. >> i don't know this because i'm only looking at a video but i saw the same video you saw. i'm wondering about a word called afasia which can be searching for a word after a brain injury or --
>> do you believe she had a stroke or do you believe it was a traumatic brain injury. >> i believe she had a concussion with a possible brain injury. of course i haven't seen the medical records. >> go back to this video. it is a violent, violent, repetitive vesjerking of the he here. you can see it is uncontrollable. watch the reporter pull back -- reporter got scared. she keeps doing it. what is that? >> it is involuntary movement. secretary clinton hit her head in 2012. >> would it cause this? >> it would cause the kind of brain damage possibly. possibly. we've been studying this over the last two years that can have long term effects that can have effects on thinking, on memory, on gait, how you walk, dizziness, on balance. that's a possibility that we need to see the records of. >> all right. cnn senior media correspondent, host of reliable sources, brian stelter, is with me. brian, i was at a loss for words
for a moment there. this has been the center of coverage all week long for hannity. >> hannity thinks he's on to something here. so do some fringe websites on the right that have picked up on this and tried to make it into a story in recent days. you know the saying looks can be deceiving? photos and videos can also be deceiving. >> let's pull up that photo. at the center of the coverage all week long has been the photo of clinton being helped up the stairs there by fbi agents. it is so important to have the context. >> when this photo was shared over weekend by pro-trump twitter accounts which then went to a fringe right wing account, there was no context for this photo and she happened to slip when walking up the stairs. it was brand out to be a brand-new photo and to have some dangerous health warning attached to it. >> those are secret service agents. >> by the way, if cameras followed me around all day they'd find a lot more embarrassing stuff than they've got with hillary clinton. the point is it made its way to
the drudge report, one of the biggest conservative websites on the internet. that's way it made its way to shows like sean hannity. something starts, in this case on pro-trump twitter accounts and makes its way even though it is rooted in a conspiracy theory. the theory that she is secretly ill, not well, and she won't be able to be president. >> let's also play this. this is video of clinton's head bobbing back and forth. we saw it, let's play it again. >> it was a wonderful meaningful endorsement in every way. . >> you guys have to try the cold
chai. >> the length of a clip, the context. >> this is an example of someone laughing at a joke. if we were walking around you could make up a conspiracy theory about our health as well. when hannity gets people on that will only agree with him. >> this is an important distinction to make. hannity doesn't bill himself as a tournlist, as down the middle. many people go to fox news for their news, their primary news source. even commentators that are pro-trump. they still have a possibility to their audience. not to mislead the audience or
the viewers at home. they're being irresponsible and misleading the viewers at home. she talked about her position, said she is fit to be president, and there is no reliable evidence to the contrary. >> i think you will be talking about it on reliable sources on sunday morning. >> yes. >> the suspect in a deadly drunk and driving crash caught in spain. it was featured right here on "the hunt" with john walsh. he will join me next. the heirloom tomato.
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and work in the family business. with him in is british afghan war vet. so a judge, i don't know why, but his toxicology report took about two weeks to do because he would not take a tox test. so the judge let him bond out at $5,000 and he can sit home with his ankle bracelet on. he has eight months to plan his escape, and police say it may have been his parents that aided him for three years. i'm a florida guy, i know it's a horrible case in the news down there. let's help this wonderful family. i put myself in their shoes. i'm the father of a murdered son. i think we're going to catch him
right away. so we keep airing it. we get a tip he might be in spain. so the best hunters in the world saddle up. and interpol, who used today do some of the most wanted guys, they see him in a bathroom in a bus stop, and they nail him. >> it is about a man that you call a full-blown five star sociopath. a horrible person. he is known as poncho. comes back and forth. a mexican national. he gets girls to come back and fork and he is involved in sex trafficking. he is a rapeist. he brings girls, sells them in
houston, he is on the top of my most wanted list. >> thank you so much. you don't want to miss "the hunt" this sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. "the lead" with jake tapper is now. >> mr. trump is always saying "believe me" except when he is saying "come on, why did you believe me." he is now tripling down on his remark that president obama founded isis. minutes ago he said that i was obviously being sarcastic, but not that sarcastic to be honest with you. donald trump now saying he might want to try american civilians at military tribunals along with his proposed policies of killing terrorist families and bringing back torture. could the military