tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN August 14, 2016 10:00am-11:01am PDT
this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today we'll ask what does the world think of america's frolicking presidential campaign. >> he's the founder of isis. >> donald trump is not qualified to be president and he is unfit to be commander in chief. >> i'll talk to people in south africa, to russia, israel to britain. then, who are donald trump's voters? i'll talk to the author of a haunting memoir who grew up in the coal mining region of the
appalachia whol are at the heart of trump supporters. and one of the world's richest men is pouring its fortune into ideas that will shape the 21st century. nicolas will explain. and a novel use of drones that's taking off online, using them to safe lives instead of end them. but first, here's my take. in recent days, i have had a dream. that america has a real republican party. a party offering a serious, right of center alternative to the democrats. such a contest of ideas would improve the public debate and offer americans a real choice, not the cartoon campaign we have today. donald trump had the opportunity for a reset this week and managed to derail it with his talk of second amendment people,
but forget the detour for a moment. trump's much heralded speech laying out his economic policies was an incoherent mish mash of popularism, hypocrisy and pandering. when did the republican party's intellectual decay begin? according to the conservative writer david frum in his book "dead right" it began in the reagan years. recall that ronald reagan had viciously attacked jimmy carter for racking up deficits and debt. in fact by the end of reagan's two terms, the national debt had tripled. you see, republicans came to recognize that whatever it might say, the american public in fact did not want cuts in government programs. since then most republican presidential candidates have promised the public huge tax cuts without any real spending restraint to pay for them. the result of course has been massive deficits.
republican economic plans nowadays are simply not serious. in the primaries, the three main candidates of the party of fiscal discipline, marco rubio, ted cruz and donald trump presented plans that added $8 trillion, $10 trillion or $11 trillion in tax cuts over the next ten years. the tax plan largely adopted by trump now, has a $2.4 trillion hole in it. these vast gaps are papered over with assumptions of higher growth and the vague calls to end waste, fraud and abuse of government. trump's plans are a replay of these dishonest tactics. he says he will cut taxes big league, but doesn't pay for them. assuming the usual bogus growth numbers to look better on paper.
he promises vaguely to cut regulations, signaturing at a rally this week he could do so by as much as 75%, which is so absurd that i don't think even he believes it. imagine instead of all this a republican party that firmly believed in limited government, local control and social conservatism and proposed policies that were true to these beliefs. imagine it presented a serious plan that rationalized america's unwieldly and corrupt tax code and paid for it by eliminating loophole deductions and credits. imagine a republican party that focused lesson tax cuts for the rich but improved access to the market for the poor and middle class. for example, a party that proposed not to eliminate obamacare but to reform it using stronger mechanisms, aligning greater competition and price
transparency. encouraged large companies to hire more and make new investments that encouraged states to get rid of the ever expanding licensing requirements that are put in place to keep out competition. political systems need debate and choices. america would benefit greatly if the republican party were to become a substantive market-oriented right of center party. for now, this remains a dream. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. and let's get started. ♪ people in the united states often ask me what the world thinks of this wild presidential election season. well, i'm about to let you hear for yourself with four guests from arrange the world.
donald trump has minced no words about this, he doesn't really care about the rest of the world or what it thinks of him. he wants to of course make america great again. russia, though, is one of the few foreign countries whose people tell pollsters they like mr. trump and that's where i'll begin my introductions. this is a columnist for russia's independent newspaper. and the u.s. editor for israel joins us from tel aviv. and a leading south african journalist and editor and the chief foreign affairs columnist from london. let me start with you, faria. what do people make of what is going on in south africa? >> fareed, did you know the south african term -- it's sort of a national term of empathy or
sympathy and i think that's what i hear most often about the american election. for me it seems like south africans are slightly incredulous that you could go from a figure like barack obama who's very, very well loved here to somebody like donald trump. equally incredulously, we have watched statements about the war for mexicans, the ban on muslims come into the u.s. and today statements by is. and that's the key theme i see running through it. and then today's statements about i.s. so donald trump hugs our headlines, hillary clinton not putting in a great showing across our media and social media. >> hami, when one looks at israel, there was a kind of aborted love affair that seemed to take place between trump and either the country or its prime minister. he tried to support it -- you know, he talked about how strongly he supports it. >> i think the default position, not only for the prime minister, but for a majority of public opinion would be to support the republican candidate no matter who it was.
and i think perhaps most of the 16 candidates who were running against donald trump, you would probably have a 70/30 majority. mainly because barack obama is not well loved in israel. but trump has thrown his banner into the works. he's been all over the map on issues concerning israel. i think people are starting to catch the drift of, you know, the reservations in america from him. i did hear one interesting comment and that is that somebody said there's something very comforting in trump for israelis, because among democracies. somebody said that there's something very comforting in trump for israelis because we had always assumed that among
western democracies we have the most insane system and the most insane politicians but now it turns out that it's a worldwide phenomenon, including what is going on in europe and the recent brexit vote. giddeo, when brits look at trump, do they see it as a version of brexit? in other words, the people who supported brexit were also, in a sense, nationalists, in a sense, seemed hostile to foreigners? >> well, i think there definitely are some parallels. the disaffected white working class, capitalizing on the anti-elite sentiment. the tone of trump is much wilder even than the brexit campaign in the uk. when a leader of the brexit
campaign said he first felt left wing watching the antics of the trump-led troops at the republican convention. >> i've said the best for last. explain for us russia's love affair with trump. >> i would say primarily trump is popular here in russia because barack obama is deeply unpopular. so anyone who is attacking obama would be seen nicely by the russian population. obama is seen as a person who organizes the sanctions and russia took over crimea and these sanctions together with the falling press is badly for the russian population. we have a shrinking economy, falling household incomes and everyone believes -- not only the kremlin but the masses of the people believe that this is all obama's fault.
and hillary clinton is seen as a kind of surrogate, continuation of obama. and trump is saying the right words about that he's ready to recognize russian annexation of crimea or the rest of ukraine as a dependency as part of russian recognized influence so he's believed to be the good guy. >> thank you all. we'll come back. what i'm going to ask you next is what does the world think of america today and it is current president? nly 16% italian. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. moms know their kids need love, encouragement and milk. with 8 grams of protein, and 8 other nutrients.
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we are back with my guests. giddeon, let me ask you how the world is looking at america these days. if you look at the data, the united states has come out of this global recession better than any other country. its technology companies dominate the world. its stock market is hitting all-time highs. its unemployment is low. do people perceive america as back and barack obama as popular? >> i think obama is popular in europe. not like the popularity that he was enjoying in 2008 and even before he was elected president he gave a speech in berlin before an ecstatic crowd and people have discovered, no, he
cannot walk on water. the view of america is a little bit mixed. the american economic recovery, there is a sense that, depending on who you talked to, some people worry that america is backing off from its commitments around the world. could they have done more to sort out syria, should they have been a little tougher with russia and so on. >> faria, how does it look from south africa? is america the same kind of model? i've been struck by the fact that africans are quite pro american. is that more or less true today? >> i think that when barack obama became president, both his inaugurations are like public holidays and where there were parties to go watch it, especially the first one and then barack obama as well as the first lady michelle obama have
very close links. in other places, more discerning generals and there is disappointment that guantanamo hasn't been closed, for example, or the smoulerring afghanistan and iraq and syria haven't really been brought to piece. i think the good reputation that america enjoys is going to be dealt quite a blow. >> you talked about how obama is unpopular because he's been tough on russia. but in general, is america also unpopular? my sense is that russians have really lost any fascination that they had after the cold war with the united states and regarded with pretty jaundice eyes. >> yeah, there's no love there. america is seen as the miniature
geopolitical enemy, the big satan that is trying to hold russia under, not allow russia to rise again to its normal state of superpower and so on. though, at the same time, america is also, to some extent, envied and basically the russian elite, they would want to be with the united states on par. kind of working a world concert, over the heads of other nations finding quid pro quos as they did during the cold war. the two superpowers working together to keep a new world order. so america is seen as an enemy but, at the same time, as a very important partner. >> hemi, let me ask you something slightly different
because when donald trump made his comment about the second amendment people maybe being able to do something about hillary clinton once she was in office appointing judges, it reminded you of something and i want you to tell us what it reminded you of. >> well, it reminded me of the months preceding our late prime minister's assassination but, in fact, i was reminded of this atmosphere before donald trump made his comments and it first occurred to me at the gop convention in cleveland, you know, where i sat and listened and was quite dismayed by the constant cries of lock her up, lock her up and the kind of criminal indictments that were being issued from the podium and both parts of this convention were main elements in the months that led up to ramin's assassination. when donald trump made his comments about the second amendment, that sort of clinched the disassociation.
and it's not far-fetched to assume or to think that there may be one person or two people in america who are putting this all together and thinking to themselves that true patriots have to do something and it's clear that that is the case because say somebody, god forbid, tried to hurt or harm hillary clinton tomorrow. i don't think anybody would be surprised. everybody would connect it to the atmosphere that exists today in the trump camp and everybody would say, yes, we should have seen it coming. i think after trump made his remarks, everybody is in that position where if it does happen, they would have been forewarned. >> on that note, thank you so much, all of you, for a fascinating conversation. next on "gps," for years, many people have worried about the rise of islamism in turkey. but it turns out, it is a different ism that they should have been worried about.
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now for our "what in the world" segment, it's been a month since the attempted coup in turkey. there has been a state of emergency declared followed by what can only be called a mass purge. more than 50,000 soldiers, police officers, judges and other civil servants have been arrested or suspended. "the new york times" broke down what a purge of this magnitude would look like in the united states. nearly 9,000 turkish police officers have been fired, which is ta the suspension of 21,000 private school teachers would be like stripping every third teacher in a high school or elementary school of his or her license, as "the times" put it.
more than 100 media outlets have been shot down. why? alleged connections with erdogan's former ally, the muslim cleric in pennsylvania whom erdogan accused of masterminding the coup attempt. ghoulan has denied the allegation. the size, premeditated nature and scale of erdogan's surge is stunning and appears to be part of a pattern. erdogan came to power as a reformer and indeed in his first years, he enacted a series of reforms, perhaps because they opened to gain entry into the european union. when europe's great powers made clear that turkey would likely be in the western club. erdogan's reforms began to dry up and instead we began to watch the determined effort to amass
power. first, he turned on his long-time foes secularist, especially the military. the government alleged conspiracies and coup plots and arrested hundreds of military officers, including former generals as a turkish journalist said of those purges, there was a series of witch hunts, relentless intimidation and even c confiscation of critical media outlets. he continued in "the new york times" piece and as a result turkey has become the textbook case of a liberal democracy, where the rule of law is fading. it is now a new enemy but the same tactics. taken in its entirely, what we are witnessing in turkey today is the dissent of democracy and it is tragic. ever since erdogan was looking at turkey with cautious, such
spacious eyes, wondering whether this nation would go the way iran did. they had good reason to worry. erdogan and his party have placed an emphasis on social conservatism. but cook notes that three okay kra see has never been in the cards for turkey. in fact, erdogan has not instituted sharia in turkey. for erdogan, it's not about religion but about power. looking ahead, erdogan will probably call for new elections that will concentrate power in the presidency. this week, erdogan visited russian president vladimir putin and erdogan has faced criticism from his counter-coup and russia
has been support tif. in a way, it's fitting. while the world was obsessed with the islamism, they should be worried about putinism. next, west virginia, kentucky, tennessee, it's working class whites in these places who are the mainstay of trump support. the appalachian-born silicon valley executive and now best selling author will explain to us why. sorry, captain obvious. don't be. i've got the hotels.com app, which makes it simple to book a room for $500. or $25, but it won't be here. you can stay with me. thanks. i've already lost enough today.
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donald trump? it's a book that leads you touched and enriched. j.d. vance, thanks for joining me. >> thanks for having me. >> hillary clinton and donald trump are almost neck to neck, despite all of the crazy things he's done. you were born in ohio, it turns out. you know these people. why do they support him? >> they feel left behind in the modern american economy and not just the economy but the modern american way of life. they've seen manufacturing jobs go overseas or shut down altogether. they've seen coal mining jobs more difficult to come by. and in the wake of that, they've seen a really tough cultural crisis that's moved in. rising opioid addiction rates. they feel this extraordinary disconnect from the people who are in washington, d.c., and so even though donald trump says
crazy things, they see him as the mainstream. >> you were born a white protestant. >> that's right. >> when i look at you and read your name, you seem like somebody who has been a kind of child of privilege in america. but you say that actually you come from the forgotten part of white america and your family tradition is poverty. >> that's right. my grandparents who raised me lived in kentucky. my grandmother got pregnant at 14. they moved to ohio that's because where the steel mill jobs were. the family story, as i write about the book, has been a bit more complex. my mom has struggled in different ways. my aunt and uncle have done much better, at least in material terms. i think what happens is the people who expected in some ways their children and their grandchildren to live much
better lives have found that at the end of the day the poverty that was the family tradition maybe going back in my grandparents' case, 100, 200 years, it seems to be happening all over again in the generation that they expected to do better. >> the white working class who used to work in the southern slave economy, in steel mills, coal mines, stable jobs but not particularly upwardly mobile and almost all of these people come out of the scotch-irish tradition, right? >> that's right. the scotch-irish tradition is an important culture of these places. the message of my book is more broader ranging because the white working class is relatively cultural homogenous. so you're going to find people who think broadly the same about a whole range of issues and part
of that is just because they are working in the same sorts of jobs. they've always had a confrontational view of the rich man or the elite. so they find themselves feeling very similarly about a lot of different issues. >> and they are suspicious of cities, cosmopolitan elites so, therefore, when they listen to a hillary clinton or a barack obama who speak in that very educated way, policy proposals, evidence data, that's less attractive than somebody like trump who is really just connecting at a gut level. >> that's right. the way people talk about politics around the dinner table or at church is not the way fundamentally that most elites talk about politics and, on the one hand, it's obviously important to have people making policy rooted in evidence, rooted in the right thinking.
at the other hand, you have to connect to people at an emotional level, too. i think that's something the american elites are increasingly bad at. part of it is, they sound so filtered. they sound like their talking is filtered through a political consultant but some of it is that they are a little disconnected. it's hard to show compassion and understanding even if you want to for people that you don't really know and, unfortunately, one of the trends in america city is the rising segregation by class. a lot of the wealthy folks and elites in our city, whether they live in cincinnati, ohio, or in washington, d.c., where they have political power, they don't really know a lot of the people that are struggling in this 21st century economy. >> talk about the issue of violence. you talk about it growing up, your own family, you have this hair-raising story of your grandmother threatening to basically kill your grandfather if he gets drunk one more time.
he does and she pours lighter fluid over him and strikes the match. >> that's right. >> one of the things i remember reading about the scotch-irish is there has always been this tradition of violence and almost a kind of vigilante violence that you don't wait for -- you don't report stuff to the cops, you just do stuff. >> absolutely. it's funny. my sister told me a story a couple of years ago where a family had talked about their christmas presents all being stolen and they reported it to the police and one of the first comments on that thread was, why did you call the police? why didn't you deal with it yourself? so there is a vigilante justice part of this that is built into our culture and fundamentally i think that it manifests itself most relevantly today in a certain disconnect from let's say the ways of behaving. if someone disagrees with you in a corporate board room or on the
job, you're supposed to take it constructively and move on. i think maybe that cultural value needs to be developed a little bit. my initial reaction is to say, if you're criticizing me, that's a personal afrofront so there's cultural disagreement and sometimes violence. >> you end up at the end of the book feeling like these cultural norms and behavior is really at the heart of the problem. you don't think that there could be a kind of government fix or a market fix. you feel like this is a deep cultural problem? >> well, i think it's both. i do think that there is certainly a role for government policy to play. i think the point of the book is that government can't fix everything. and if you think about what i grew up around, which is this inner-generational family violence, the sense of helplessness that my choices
didn't matter, i don't think the government can totally address those problems so the book is primarily, in some ways, a letter to my own community, hopefully a compassionate and sympathetic letter but really an explanation of, here are some of the things that we can do to make our kids' lives better and i hope people take the message to heart and receive it as someone who love this is community because it's my community. >> just a fantastic book. thank you so much for coming. >> appreciate it. up next, the eras that have changed the world because of profound new ideas. what will the next big ideas of the 21st century be? if you miss a show, go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my itunes podcast.
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nicolas is one of the richest men in the world. forbes rates his net worth to be over $1.5 billion. he used to be known as the homeless billionaire, once living in luxury hotels with no permanent residence. but now he's settled down in los angeles and he's spending a big chunk of his fortune to create an institute there for great thinkers, to consider the great issues of our time, such as the impact of technology on society. he's called the endeavor a secular monestary and among the participants are former head of state like tony blair and billionaire technologist elan musk. nicolas, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you, fareed, delighted.
>> you decided that you wanted to educate yourself about ideas, about philosophy and you hired professors from ucla to tutor you. why were you doing that? >> it comes back to my teenage years. i was interested in politics and in philosophy because i really felt that ideas shaped who we are and i still feel that way. so i went back to trying to learn what in the world of politics and ideas looks like but not just western but also eastern and that's why i spend time with these professors from ucla and it reinforced my view that ideas make the world and they make also politics and by not only learning but then by
investing in the world of ideas, in the world of new ideas, i could not only learn something for me but hopefully contribute. >> so now you, like many billionaires, have pledged that you are going to give away most of your money but what's unusual, you're giving away the vast majority of it, and this is hundreds of millions of dollars, to fund ideas. there is no hospital wings with your name attached. you want to fund ideas. why? >> because at the end of the day, they shape us more than anything else. hospitals are very important. luckily, lots of people are doing it. but we are still shaped today by jesus christ for good or for bad. so the people who have really made a difference in terms of our culture and in terms of who we are as humans and our lives, our social and political lives,
these people are thinkers and today i do think we need new thinking. i feel strongly that in this world where politics and conventional politics are being challenged, especially in i dens are going to come from political rethinking but new concepts as to what it means to be a human and what it to have an occupation in the future. >> a center a prize, describe what you were doing. >> we created an institute five years ago, in addition to reward the importance of ideas we're going to have a philosophy prize similar to a nobel prize, but in this case, for philosophy, so we'll have a yearly million-dollar philosophy prize to really underline how
important ideas are and thinkers are. >> at the center, $50 million endowment, this is at the getty center in los angeles, so this very large, very grand, and what do you hope will come out of it? >> well, i'm not sure it will be grand itself, but the ambition is grand for sure. and, this is not a lonely project. this is a project being done with lots of people who are great thinkers and who have been great leaders. so, it's really empowering, more thinking and em pow ering these people to come together and produce good work. >> do you now spend most of your time on funding ideas or still active investor, hedge fund manager? >> my time is on this, the
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marry harris, mother jones, el mother roosevelt. hattie wyatt careaway or frances perkins. stay tune we'll tell you the answer. vance explains a word without celebrating or condemning it. it's an honest of america's white working class. all and all, it's rare to have someone with sympathetic understanding of his word. that's what's special about this wonderful book. now for the last look, loyal viewers of our show may remember a story we did a couple of years ago, this structure looks like art but it's a wind powered land mine clearing device. the ball rolls around land mine danger areas until, boom, it finds one and blow itself up.
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