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rustbelt, cleveland, ohio, where she's laying out her tax plan in the key battleground state of ohio. her campaign hoping her message will resonate with the working class, the middle class. hillary clinton's remarks aimed at drawing a sharp contrast from that of donald trump and his economic speech just last week. now her plan targets the 1% promising a 30% minimum tax on millionaires. trump's plan offers lower taxes for both businesses and individuals but includes the wealthiest americans and so much more. let's work through all of this here. a cnn global economic asian-american list is here with me, assistant managing editor the a "time." peter navarro, author of "crouching tiger -- what china's militarism means for the world." he is also a prols adviolicy ad the trump campaign. austan goolsbee, a hillary clinton supporter and economic
advisor and former chairman for the council of economic advisors. welcome to all of you. let's get just right to it. rana, i want to turn to you. we sat here and listened to mr. trump earlier last week lay it all out. it was sort of the rebuttal from hillary clinton in michigan. here she is in ohio. no mistake geographically speaking who she is talking to. did you hear anything new? >> not really. but i think that's interesting is she's sort of right flanking and left flanking here. she's going after the bernie people, talking about student debt, talking about issues facing millennials, but she is also here in ohio talking about manufacturing, talking about small businesses, talking about the fact that you need to make apprenticeship programs more available and jobs available for the working class. i think that she's trying to hit some of the vulnerability from both trump supporters and those that might have followed bernie. >> couple of themes we've heard before, listen, we don't
actually know how wealthy mr. trump is because he's refused to release tax returns. number two, pointing out the trump loophole. she says the trump family would save $4 billion under what mr. trump has proposed. peter navarro, to you just as a trump policy advisor, can you respond to that? the trump family saving $4 billion? >> yeah. silly. let's look at this simply as we can. basically, yeah, hillary clinton's raising taxes and donald trump cutting them. what we didn't have last week when she released her plan is some analysis. the tax foundation just came out and said that we would lose 1% of gdp growth with hillary's tax plan. we would lose 300,000 jobs. income and wages would go down for all americans and the lower income people would be hit particularly hard. that's the problem here. the basic philosophy going back to obama in 2008 has been the
standard keynesian tax and spend. what you have for obama's third term. we have the slowest recovery since world war ii. got over 20 million people unemployed. i've been through ohio. in 2012 i went through there with my film and i went to factory after factory after factory. those factories are closed in ohio because hillary and bill clinton shoehorned china into the world trade organization in 2001 and basically allowed china to flood our markets with illegally subsidized exports. so there is this big chasm between what hillary clinton is saying, what she's done and what the obama administration has done. at the end of the day it is about performance. they haven't performed, obama hasn't, hillary hasn't. >> you threw a lot out there.
austa austan goolsbee. >> first of all, he didn't answer your question. there is no question than donald trump's own tax plan would be a massive, probably multi-billion dollar tax cut for donald trump and his family themselves. and you can't say that's not why he's proposing the tax plan. >> i can say exactly why. >> he should release his tax returns so that we can ask how much would he personally cut his own taxes with his plan. but the second is, donald trump's plan is premised on nonsense. it's funny to try to cite an economic study to talk about the damage that professor navarro thinks that the clinton plan would do, when republican economists have said that donald trump's economic plan would drive us into recession, would cost us millions of jobs. >> who are we talking about here? >> we are talking about the
american action forum. john mccain's leading advisor. we are talking about moody's, a non-partisan -- >> who's john mccain's leading advisor? this is just spin. >> no, this is not spin. look, the fact is -- >> let me ask you a question. >> gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. hang on a second. i want to make sure. i don't like yelling. yelling is not happening on the show, a. i do want to make sure i hear every single one of you and i don't like people talking over people because it frustrates me. just stand by, gentlemen. >> one thing i would say, regardless of who donald trump's tax plan is going to benefit, what you can say statistically that strtrickle-down economics tax cuts have not created growth over the last 20 years. that's proven. tax cuts didn't create growth
from 2001. in 2003. they didn't actually create growth in the obama administration so that model is broken. i think there is some cognitive dissonance between some of the populist rhetoric we hear from trump and a lot of these tax plans are classic trickle-down economics. >> peter, you had a question for austan. the floor is yours. >> on the trickle-down, if you look at reagan's plan, what you don't remember apparently is that reagan had 4% growth rate with his supply side economics throughout the 1980s compared to 1.8%. the question for austan, what are you guys doing so wrong that you can't get the economy going eight years? you doubled our debt with fiscal stimulus of $20 trillion and you screwed up federal reserve balance sheet so bad that it is going to be very difficult to unwind. you left the white house with an
economy effectively not in shambles but basically on its knees. why do you think that you did a good job? that's the question. >> a, that's nonsense. here we go again with the kwp let let's throw the kitchen sink and the fed and 20 other issues in. as you know, george bush cut taxes -- >> blame it on bush. >> -- please don't interrupt. cut taxes for high-income people and corporations more than they had ever been cut. donald trump is proposing to do that, times four. it is the george w. bush plan, times four, and as we have discussed, that did not work. that failed utterly. what has happened post financial crisis is we have had modest growth. it's been a struggle to get back and to recover from the worst recession of our life times. but we have done so. we have now come back with the longest string of private sector job growth in american history.
longer even than under ronald reagan. so it has been more the tortoise and not the hare. any one year wasn't tremendously past, but by this point under george bush we were already in a recession. so we need something sustainable going forward and donald trump is not proposing any such thing. >> how -- i'm listening to both of you very carefully. i'm also sort of channeled the american who is listening. i don't know if they're pulling a little bit of their hair out because any are listening to what hillary clinton is saying, listening to what donald trump is saying and thinking, well, how will either of them follow through. it is a simple question, but you're listening. for folks who are undecided. the economy is one of the most important issues of this election. >> it's absolutely. yeah. >> how do you know who's -- >> let me just say one thing. this is really important. we heard a lot about the fed and the fed's role. one of the reason the fed had to
do a $4 trillion money is because we couldn't get anything passed through congress with gridlock. the next president has to push investment through congress. that's going to be a big deal. will hillary clinton have that mandate. that's one of the biggest questions. >> following up on my question to you, i'm going to stay with you. something new i think we heard from hillary clinton just now she was saying her plan would create 10 million new jobs if she is elected. that's what she's saying. she is saying trump would cost the american economy 3 million jobs. >> yeah. >> where do those numbers -- >> i wouldn't put too much stock in the exact number of jobs because we don't know what's going to happen. >> we don't know. >> frankly, predictions one or even two years ago economically are often wrong. i think what we can say is that the fed is tapped out. we really can't do much more with monetary policy so we are going to need washington to probably invest. we're going to need to push
through some fiscal stimulus. i think most people on wall street would agree with that, too. >> peter, just back to you. once again she is hitting him on wealth, how wealthy is he, we don't totally know because he hasn't released his tax returns. what say you about that? >> let me say this. the previous commentator has it exactly wrong. >> can you -- >> this is really important for cnn viewers. we don't have a problem that you can fix with more fiscal stimulus. that whiskey is not working. what donald trump has proposed is a synergistic plan of energy policy reform, tax policy reform, trade policy reform and these things all work together synergistically, like they did in the '80s with ronald reagan. we need to harness our american people by getting them back to work with good trade policy oz. we need to move forward in that way and really, we can't kind of
have a new president come in and just ask congress for another fiscal stimulus. it simply won't work. we have a structural problem that relates to china basically stealing our factories and jobs and we don't have the horsepower or firepower to get our economy going again. that's why this is such an important election. >> brooke, i got to -- i got to jump in with just two fact checks. a lot of analysts would say that china's responsible only for about one-third of the lost manufacturing jobs in this country over last ten years. but also, china's in the same boat. china's wages are going up and they're losing jobs, too. this is not a zero sum game. there are structural issues but basically they're about 40 years of market knows best trickle-down economics and we do need something different, i think. >> look, trump proposed the
largest ever trickle down tax cut. we'll cut billions for high-income people. look at the 2000s and how do you decide that what went wrong in the 2000s is we didn't cut high income people's taxes enough and that's what the trump thing is based on. thank you. just reminder to all of you watching, cnn is hosting a town hall with the green party. presidential nominee jill stein and her running mate, ajamu baraka. tonight right here at 9:00 on cnn. up next, one of the other huge headlines today, donald trump shaking up his campaign again, this time the gloves are off. we will tell you about the political street fighters he's enlisted to run his campaign now in some absolutely fascinating new details just in about what's to come and apparently it does
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i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. donald trump's campaign undergoing a major campaign shakeup again. paul manafort is there, he's still keeping his title as campaign chairman but the team at the top is growing. you see the picture here, kellyanne conway, a pollster. she's a more conventional conservative who's been promoted to trump's campaign manager. but the real game changer -- this is where we're going next here -- as the new ceo, this guy by the name of steve bannon. he runs breitbart news, adored by some on the far right for its combative and steadfastly conservative talking points. let me first bring in sara murr murray, our cnn politics reporter. the trump campaign, we've seen different iterations of leadership over the course of the year and some change. this is the second change in two months. what do you know about the timeline, the decision and just why? >> reporter: well, brooke, it feels like this is really a move
to get donald trump back to basics. he was very unhappy with the direction his campaign was going. this sort of attempt to make him palatable to the establishment. kind of the antithesis of how he wanted to run his campaign as the outsider candidate. we know he had a number of conversations over the weekend. he made it clear he just was not happy with the way things were going. on tuesday there was a meeting between jared kushner, paul manafort, his right-hand man, and as welling a kellyanne conway where kushner made clear the pecking order. donald trump didn't feel like he was surrounded by the kind of advisors he wanted to be surrounded by. on top of that he was of course trailing in the polls. this is a move to say, look, i feel like i have a chance to win. donald trump still thinks there is an opportunity there. but i want to do it my way. at leastfy lose i will have run the campaign that i'm hoping to run. but of course this also invites a lot off criticism from the
clinton campaign who is saying donald trump is just surrounding himself with people who peddle in conspiracy theories, brooke. >> sarah murray, thank you for the setup on this whole story. trump's new campaign chief has been called -- i'm quoting -- the most dangerous political op serative of the united states. my next guest wrote the piece about bannon that's featured in this particular bloomberg issue. in it, he writes, "bannon, an exgoldman sachs banker, is the sort of character who would stand out anywhere but especially in the drab environment of washington. a mile a minute talker who thrums with energy, his sentences speed off ahead of him and speed up into great pile-ups of verbs, nouns and whims. he looks like sean penn's character in "fast times at ridgemont high" after a couple of decades of hard living.
national correspondent for bloomberg business week wrote this piece a year ago. perhaps you had a hunch. it is an incredible peaceful of details. let's just get to the in itty grit gritty. you spent weeks with him getting this information and interviewing him. what was he like? personality? weird quirks, traits? >> bannon is just a charismatic wild man, mile-a-minute talker. he's a guy who's had this bizarre series of careers from naval officer to goldman sachs banker to sarah palin filmmaker who fell in with andrew breitbart, the late conservative provocateur and wound up taking over the breitbart news network after breitbart died. he is sort of insinuated himself into the center of this alt right world of splinter
conservatives who have bedevilled gop establishment leaders like paul ryan, john boehner, like jeb bush. it makes a weird sort of serendipitous sense that he would wind up the top of donald trump's political campaign. >> you write also about his washington, d.c. town house that the lincoln era detail and his daughter. tell me about that. >> well, bannon lives in a town house a couple of blocks from the supreme court that is decorated down to the curtains in 1865 lincoln era style. it's got an elaborate dining room mural. it has american flags. it feels like you're stepping back 150 years in time when you go over to what is known in washington as the breitbart embassy. breitbart's d.c. bureau is down in the basement. a portrait of bannon's daughter, who i believe is in the u.s. army, sits on his mantel place. she's holding a machine gun and
sitting in saddam hussein's throne. it's quite an experience stepping into bannon's world. >> the so-called valcaris, the millennial women, the in-house gals who are his -- i don't know what? he tests them as far as what millennials care about, want to know about. but let's get to trump. how did they first connect? >> two make sense. i don't know if bannon found trump or trump found bannon. what breitbart has become is sort of the outside the establishment conservative group beating down the walls. that's exactly who donald trump was when he decided to run for president. very early on, bannon and some other folks were up talking to trump, advising him informally. after the big break that trump had with megyn kelly and fox news, bannon and breitbart were real champions of trump, while fox and the other wing of the
conservative movement stood up for kelly. so they butted heads there. i think trump enjoys the aggressiveness and spirit that bannon brings to breitbart news. and clearly wanted to do something to shake up his own campaign to kind of unleash his inner trump. sew brought in bannon to be ceo of his campaign. >> on the spirit of unleashing the inner trump, here's my sort of big question as we look ahead to the all-important first presidential debate september 26th and what the bannon fingerprint would look like on the verbal trump jabs with hillary clinton on stage. what would that look like? >> well, bannon and breitbart don't do subtly. i would imagine it would look like direct frontal attacks on hillary clinton from everything from the clinton foundation money to goldman sachs speeches, possibly to dredging up bill clinton's sex scandals back in the '90s. one interesting thing i think is underappreciated by bannon is he's also the head of a
non-profit in florida called the government accountability institute which produced the clinton cash book that came out last year documenting ties between the clinton foundation, hillary clinton, and various shady donors and foreign investors. >> but also the jeb bush book. >> and also a jeb bush book. i guess that goes to show us that even bannon didn't anticipate trump's rise. they thought jeb bush was going to be the establishment republican nominee. instead they wound up with donald trump. >> so as we are looking at -- formally, informally or just in communication with mr. trump looking ahead, you haroger aile roger stone, steve bannon and mr. trump himself. mega personalities. you think there is a potential clash or potential for implosion before we even get to the first debate? >> i think there is always a potential for a clash, any day, any hour, in trump world.
steve bannon stepping in certainly doesn't lower the odds of such a thing. but from where i sit, seems like a pretty clear move by trump himself to decide, i'm done with this idea of trying to moderate my image, contain myself, make myself palatable to the republican establishment. instead i'm going with someone who is a media person like me, which bannon is, who is out there, and provocative and outrage s. i expect we will see more of that from trump out on the campaign trail and certain/ln the debate stage. >> steve bannon's motto is -- >> honey badger don't give a shit. you can google it. >> i believe you. joshua green, bloomberg. david chalian joins me next to break down battleground races. can you say that on cnn? you did. plus, donald trump calling
>> basically this is a barrier that's going to be overcome and mike -- pete, you've had hearings on this and you know that the local police feel they're not getting the information that they need and they feel like they're flying blind for some time. and the fbi has got -- this is something that needs leadership from a president like donald trump. this is something that has to come from the top. the fbi is told you've got to share with the local police, you've got to set up mechanisms for doing that. >> the police need to be able to
surveil. >> so you just heard from former new york mayor rudy giuliani. i saw seated next to him, new york congressman peter king. i've got our political director here at cnn, david chalian. as we look at optics of this, this is what we call in news speak, a pool spray. so it is just a little bit. but it looks kind of like a cabinet meeting. >> i wonder if they call that the cabinet room at trump tower. it does kind of look like a cabinet meeting in that way obviously account candidate sort of set up where the president normally sits at the cabinet table in the cabinet room. don't know if we're hearing from donald trump in this spray -- >> i'm told we don't. >> usually when you have a spray like this, you hear from the president. that's the part that the press comes in for and gets the sound from. it is interesting here that they didn't have the candidate say anything. but you also i think see
kellyanne conway in exnext to p manafort, which is also a symbol that he's still at the table. clearly this is a shakeup. but their line on this is this is an expansion. that's the kind of image that they are seeking to portray. the look of this as a cabinet meeting is really something. >> so you have that today. i have also been handed -- monmouth university poll released today. we have some new numbers. trump has a huge lead in indiana. don't know if we have numbers. hillary clinton, huge lead in both colorado and virginia. they are statistically tied in iowa. >> monmouth poll in indiana and quinnipiac university polls in though these states of colorado, iowa and virginia. indiana is good news for donald trump that what is a reliably red state. yes, barack obama eked it out in 2008. but mitt romney brought it back
in 2012 to the republicans. it is still very much in his corner. evan bayh, candidate for senate is up. trump well ahead there. what is interesting to note in the other battleground states there, we confirmed now, colorado and virginia, which before barack obama was in office had been falling into the republican column, are now very much in hillary clinton's favor. that's a big deal. those are some prizes that she's being able to sort of develop big leads in and make it real tough for donald trump. iowa, a state that barack obama won twice, there is really close. we've seen that again and again. that remains one of the real fierce battlegrounds of this election so far. donald trump has remained very competitive. it is also a whiter electorate in iowa which would make sense and sort of the demographic strength we see on the trump side. >> talked to josh green with bloomberg business week with his
piece on steve bannon who has been plucked to help mr. trump here. thoughts? ruminatio ruminations? >> i think this is donald trump clearly getting to a place where you can feel most comfortable for the duration of the campaign. >> what's most comfortable? >> what we saw during the primary season. most comfortable is speaking his mind. now i don't necessarily think that it means an end to the teleprompters because i think -- >> even though that's what some of our reporting is. >> some sources have said that but i would be curious to watch to see that. because the last two days he was on the teleprompter but on a message that even steve bannon would see as a really good message. it wasn't a message necessarily to placate the establishment as much as it was this law and order, this anti-terror message, this failure of the obama/clinton administration as donald trump puts it. i think that you're -- look at what they're discussing today at trump tower. this is now the third day that he has been sort of on this,
either pro law enforcement or tougher national security message that i think they see a wide opening for them to play in from now through november. clearly though the notion of whether or not he endorsed paul ryan, whether or not he was doing the right thing by the rnc, that he wanted to be freed from. i think in selecting bannon you have a street brawler. that part -- the queen's part of donald trump, that part i think is going to come back out in full force. >> david chalian, thank you so much. coming up here, sort of to your point here, donald trump calling for more policing as he courts african-american voters perhaps. in the middle of it, he called hillary clinton a bigot. and he said democrats have failed the african-american community. we'll talk about those comments after this quick break. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency.
despite donald trump's dismal polling numbers among african-american voters, he openly courted this voting bloc before a mostly white crowd in wisconsin. trump said african-americans have been taken for granted by hillary clinton and the democratic party. >> i'm asking for the vote of every african-american citizen struggling in our country today who wants a different and much better future. we reject the bigotry of hillary clinton which anders to and talks down to communities of color and sees them only as votes. that's all they care about. not as individual human beings worthy of a better future. they have taken advantage. the problem in our poorest communities is not that there
are too many police. the problem is that there are not enough police. >> with me now, simone sanders, democratic strategist and former national press secretary for bernie sanders. also with me, pastor darryl scott, trump supporter and senior pastor at new spirit revival center. great to have both of you back on. pastor, if i may, let me just begin with you. listen, he wasn't in milwaukee last night. he was 40 or so miles down the road in west bend, made a speech at a place that was majority white. he has been running this campaign for a year and some change and thus far he has turned down invitations from groups of color to speak. do you understand why critics are questioning mr. trump's sincerity? >> i happen to know for a fact that mr. trump is sincere in his outreach to african-americans.
critics are going to find something to question him about no matter what he says or does. but you know, the main reason blacks don't support trump now is because they've been convinced that he's racist by his opposition. i mean that's the depiction of mr. trump that they are trying to convey to the african-american community. >> so then why wouldn't he say yes to these invitations to go speak at black churches and black colleges to say, i'm not? >> well, you know, the naacp event was scheduled right around the time of the rnc. i really believe that was a scheduling conflict. the other venues, i really don't know of a lot that he's turned down. but you know what? to be honest, if you're going into a venue that already has a made-up mind against you, and they want to use you as a publicity tool or publicity resource, then you have to be careful about considering where you go. you just don't go anywhere. >> simone, how do you see this?
>> well, one, i see this as not only do you just not go anywhere, donald trump hasn't gone anywhere near people that are of color, particularly african-americans and latinos to court their votes. furthermore, i see that the trump campaign holding an event outside of milwaukee nowhere where there are black people present but speaking at black people? or attempting to speak at black people was a huge and failed attempt to pander to african-american voters. look, i have worked on a number of -- i have worked on a number of campaigns and the first rule is you have to meet people where they are. he have to go into communities. you have to be willing to sit down at the table with people and have a real dialogue. i think that's what has dinged donald trump because he hasn't been willing to do those things. last thing i'll note on this is that -- the last thing i'll note is that, a little rhetoric is not going to change what african-american voters in this country already know.
this is the person that is supported by white supremacists. donald trump is the same man that are issues disavowing david duke and the kkk. this isn't a narrative. these are just the facts. these are just the facts. >> hold on, go ahead, pastor. >> hillary clinton has been a friend of white supremacists in the past as well. she's been endorsed as well. all of this strategy that you are saying, donald trump should have -- >> wait. when was hillary clinton endorsed by a white supremacist? >> unfounded attacks from the republicans. >> didn't this guy endorse her? that senator, robert bird that she was a friend of? i think these people were all white supremacists. not only that, for you to say he needs to shake corhands and cou people at that level, how did that work for bernie sanders? so that strategy -- that
strategy -- the bottom line, every four years the democratic party drops out the narrative of pin the racist on the republican. they try to make everything that donald trump says or does racist in its motivation and it's not. the reason they do that is because that's all they have on him. >> okay, brooke. wait. >> hold on, hole d on. >> hold it. the thing that kills is this. black people believe satire. black people believe parody. i had a guy that i considered to be a very intelligent person send me a headline from a satire website that said donald trump plans on deporting all african-americans back to africa and he believed it. >> pastor, let's talk about reality. the kr crux is we know what happened in milwaukee over the weekend. i know he talks about improving -- he talked about improving economy -- the economy and in it, more impoverished
communities thinking perhaps that would improve community policing thus improving lives of african-americans. but don't you think there should be some acknowledgement of law enforcement in communities of color and perhaps issues there as well around the country? i haven't hard him talk about that. >> well, one thing that i notice trump tries not to be is reactive. so he's not being reactive in his responses. i mean he already had the venue scheduled for his meeting in wisconsin. he didn't know that there would be a riot, a baseless riot at that in milwaukee days before his scheduled venue. so it is not like hillary clinton showing up at a high school gym. he has to rent these venues several weeks in advance and they have to make preparations to be there. you know, trump's appeal or trump's -- his engagement with the community is on a larger scale than the average
politician. trump can't walk down the street shaking hands and kissing babies. it would be a madhouse. i mean they're turning thousands of people away. >> i understand. i understand. >> brooke, i have to say. >> forgive me, just as i'm tough on the trump side, i have to be tough on ot democratic side. isn't it worth hearing out trump's points on increasing policing? is that a bad thing? >> yes, it is a bad thing. here's why. if you go into communities and talk to people -- give you an example. i'm in washington, d.c. when you walk down the streets of georgetown there are shops, there are people walking around, and you feel safe. there's not a heavy police presence. there's nothing about being in georgetown that inherently just by being there because you don't see police officers makes one feel unsafe. if you go just a couple miles down the way in the southeast d.c., there are police officers teaming across the community. people are parked on corners waiting to catch people doing something that they think is wrong. there is a misconception that more police officers equals more safety in communities. we have to rethink the way that
we look at policing in this country. what we do have to be able have to a real dialogue and we have it to support our police officers which is what stek tear clinton has said. donald trump talks about law and order but he hasn't put out any policies on the table. let me finish. excuse me, pastor. i'm not done. secretary clinton has supported policies for police officers, secretary clinton has co-authored legislation. >> please. >> no, it is my voice. secretary clinton has co-authored legislation to provide benefits to spouses whose spouses are killed in the line of duty. when we talk about police/community relations, when we falk about the need to talk about criminal justice reform and real issues that are facing our communities, we have to talk about facts and we have to talk from both sides. and donald trump is not talking from both sides. >> all right, we have to leave it there. pastor scott, simone, we have to leave it. >> thank you, brooke.
>> thank you both so much. always tough when we have everyone talking at the same time. coming up here, we'll pivot and talk olympics. swimmer ryan lochte back here in the united states. questions swirl over what actually happened in brazil on the night he and some other swimmers say they were robbed. what really happened? we're live in rio.
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hosting a roundtable over at trump tower here in manhattan on national security and immigration, discussing solutions, for example, on how to defeat isis. he is also expected to receive his first classified intelligence briefing. that happening at some point today. this all is on the heels of a new shake-up, major shake-up within his campaign. new man in charge, steve bannon, who runs breitbart news. he is adored by many on the far right for its combative and steadfastly conservative talking points and really so much more. first though, sarah murray, our cnn politics reporter is there outside of trump tower. the different forms and phases of the trump campaign and who has been at the top. why this change now? what's happening? >> reporter: well, it is interesting, brooke. because donald trump has actually been on message for the last couple of days framing himself as the security candidate, the law and order candidate. he is having this roundtable in
trump tower today and this classified briefing later. but the frustration surrounding trump, surrounding his advisors about how this campaign was being run, about the fact that he's so far behind in so many of these battleground states just hit its limit this week. over the weekend donald trump had a couple conversations with folks about his frustration and their frustration with how the campaign was being run. then on tuesday there was a meeting jemeet ing between jared kushner, and paul manafort and steve bannon and kellyanne conway, they are going to be running the show. this gives donald trump the ability to go back to basic, rub as the political outsider. trump still believes he has a shot at winning this. but if he doesn't he feels like he can at least look back and say this was the type of campaign i wanted to run versus right now where he's been one
foot in the establishment lane, one foot in the outsider lane. we've seen plenty of frustration from his advisors and other republicans about his inability to really broaden the tent and become palatable to the political class. >> sarah murray, thank you so much. by the way, hillary clinton on the stump in battleground state of ohio today. she's in cleveland, just laid out an economic and tax plans she says is vastly different from her rival. her plan largely targets the 1% promising a 30% minimum tax on millionaires. meantime donald trump promising lower taxes across the board, including the wealthiest americans and hillary clinton wasted no time hitting him on precisely that. >> ohio would gain 376,000 jobs under my plans and lose more than 123,000 jobs under donald trump's plans.
it's not hard to see why, because he wants to give tax cuts to big corporations, millionaires, wall street money managers. he's even created a new tax loophole that we call the trump loophole. because it's really good for trump. it would let millionaires and billionaires cut their tax rate in half on a lot of their income. >> the trump campaign just responded saying this, "clinton continues to push her broken tax plan on the american public for an economy desperate for a jump-start. clinton's plan will only act as a straightjacket. recession, job losses and declining wages will all be the features of the clinton economy." for this, our senior cnn washington correspondent, joe johns, there in cleveland after her speech there. you're talking to voters in ohio. who's message is resonating?
>> well, number one, i can tell you that hillary clinton is up about four percentage points here in ohio. that sort of speaks for itself. but one of the big questions here in ohio is the extent to which hillary clinton is getting that four-point lead from things is he doing as opposed to things donald trump is doing to himself. if you will. nonetheless, you heard the essential message that she brings here to ohio. when you listen to some of the facts she puts out there, number one, she says donald trump hasn't released his tax forms like some other candidates have done. she also talks about the fact that she says he would get -- or his family would get an estate tax benefit of something like $4 billion at the end of the day. but the underlying message in all of that is hillary clinton suggesting once again that donald trump is out for himself. that's the message they hope is resonating here in ohio and the other battleground states. meanwhile, the news here in
large part is about hillary clinton and the campaign's reaction to the shakeup over in the trump campaign. the hiring of the breitbart chief to run the campaign essentially. hillary clinton talked a little bit about that right out here just a little while ago. >> i think it is fair to say that donald trump has shown us who he is. he can hire and fire anybody he wants from his campaign. they could make him read new words from a teleprompter. but he is still the same man who insults gold star families, demeans women, mocks people with disabilities, and thinks he knows more about isis than our generals. there is no new donald trump. this is it.
>> reporter: so the attack here, brooke, essentially is that donald trump decided to move to the right instead of the middle as some others had suggested. even trump himself has said, if he had moved to the middle, it would be another problem completely. a campaign manager saying today in a conference call trump decided to "double down on his most nasty, small and divisive instincts." >> that's right. that's right. that's what we have out of brooklyn responding to this. back to the trump shakeup and the news chief in the trump campaign, steve bannon. listen to a reporter for bloomberg business week i just interviewed last hour. josh green. he wrote this incredibly detailed piece interviewing steve bannon for weeks on end just a year ago. here was our conversation. >> bannon is just a charismatic wild man, a mile-a-minute talker.
he's a man who has had this bizarre series of careers from naval officer, goldman sachs banker, to sarah palin filmmaker, who fell in with andrew breitbart, the late conservative provocateur and wound up taking over the breitbart news network after breitbart died. he's sort of insinuated himself into the center of this alt right world of splinter conservatives. >> start there. leon wolf is the managing editor for the conservative website redstate.com. matt schlapp is a trump supporter. and with me here, cnn editor, mark preston. matt, as a trump supporter, let me begin with you. you say bringing mr. bannon on is an excellent, excellent idea. tell me why. >> yeah. i think what's happening here, kellyanne conway was already on the trump team and she's going to take an elevated role. as we get to the last phase of this campaign, messaging becomes
critical especially as they start to, in earnest with their television advertising. i think for bannon, anyone who knows him -- i know him well -- have a very high regard for him. he is a doer and he is a manager, but he also understands the digital economy better than most entrepreneurs. i think the fact is that as they get into this advertising phase of the campaign, it is not going to be about the 1980s. it's got to be about the 21st century. steve understands that well. i think you will see this focus on messaging hit on every single aspect. i think all these changes are very positive. >> he's a doer. but when you read about him, it is like political assassin and in the realm of dark politics. you just heard a quote from joe, people are all over the map on this guy. leon wolf, what do you think? >> you know, i do want to say that insofar as the idea is to go back to letting trump be trump, i think that's probably a good move for the trump campaign. the managed trump is not working. he's terrible and painful to
listen to on a teleprompter. he still makes gaffes. he's just now boring to watch. insofar as this is going to reflect that, i think it is a good call for the trump campaign. i don't know that hiring bannon specifically is the right medicine that they want to take because i just don't know who bannon's schtick reaches that's not in the gamut. i feel like that audience is not the audience trump has a plaem with, even within the republican party, as he does have problems with the republican party voters. >> i want too get some of our cnn reporting on. this is from our senior white house correspondent jim acosta from a trump campaign source when we think about bannon, especially head of debate prep for trump. this campaign source adding the fear with some insight of the campaign is that the conservative firebrand bannon will want to "dig up every coffin" for the debates with clinton. >> right. combative nature. if you saw just a few moments ago as well, we showed who was
advising trump, formally, informally. if you put bannon in the same category as roger stone and same category at roger ailes, you are talking about now a strategy that is going to go right after hillary clinton and certainly a more aggressive way than we've seen trump. i know that's silly to say more aggressive way than what we've seen with donald trump because he's been rather aggressive against hillary clinton but i do think you will see it become more pointed attacks on hillary clinton. paul manafort who's moved into this other role or moved back to his original role, however you want to interpret what the trump campaign is saying -- or frankly, a ousted. he was supposed to be the connection to the establishment p . bannon is not the connection to the establishment. >> leon, here's my question. if perhaps this will put more distance -- let me just ask. do you think this move will put more distance between donald trump and the rnc? >> i have to think that it will.
just from the people i know who are kind of within that circle -- i haven't talk to in he of them yet today since this news broke late last night. but the news that a guy like bannon is going to be brought into a very prominent role in the campaign is certain to kind of spike republican establishment nervousness through the roof. i mean i think that the republicans like paul ryan and reince priebus do want trump to focus on being more aggressive toward hillary and stop the kind of random, sporadic attacks he has on other republicans. but i don't know what bannon is going to bring to the table, like stuff that didn't work against bill clinton in the '90s, is what they're looking to dredge up in terms of this election and go after hillary clinton in that respect. i definitely think it will cause some additional angst within the halls of people who are right now deciding are we going to pull victory funds away from donald trump. >> and focus on down the ballot. though the let trump be trump mantra was really successful for
him in the primaries. matt, you were shaking your head. >> i think we are missing the story here. everyone's viewing this as somehow trump is going to retool and become kind of like an attack machine on hillary clinton. >> what's the story. >> by the way, that is what republicans thought was the biggest virtue of donald trump, he could really take the fight to her. what we've seen over the last three weeks is she's taken the fight to him. he's on his heels. i think donald trump realizes that, he wants to glet on his former foot. facts are on the table. we all know this campaign is about washington and the fact that hillary clinton's been a part of washington for three decades. can we make more effectively the case that she's not the right person to fix washington. i think with bannon and kellyanne as the campaign manager sharpens what this is about. >> it is not just taking the attack to hillary clinton, it is what attacks are you going to try to lodge against her. i think that might get the
nervousness within the republican establishment. having kellyanne conway with donald trump day to day, minute to minute, that will give a little bit of relief to gop establishment folks who have worked with her over the years. we'll see how he does. >> thank you all so much. by the way, tonight, you will have a chance to get to know the green party presidential ticket in a live town hall. do not miss jill stein and her running mate, ajamu baraka the a 9:00 only here on cnn. coming up next, donald trump is calling for more policing as he is out and about, perhaps trying to court more african-american voters. some african-american voters. in the middle of it, he called hillary clinton a bigot. and he says democrats have failed the african-american community. we want to talk about that. also ahead, "the boston globe" today, on the editorial page, calling on the clintons to shut down their foundation if she wins the white house.
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on the issue of race and this current presidential election, donald trump says hillary clinton and democrats have "failed and betrayed african-americans." during a law and order speech in wisconsin before a predominantly white crowd, mr. trump said democrats policies are to blame for crime and poverty in our inner cities. he made a direct appeal to black voters and accused hillary clinton of being a bigot. >> i'm asking for the vote of every african-american citizen struggling in our country today who wants a different and much better future. we reject the bigotry of hillary clinton which anders eanders d
african-american voters. they have taken advantage. the problem in our communities is not that there are too many police, the problem is that there are not enough police. >> let's begin there with pastor mark burns, he's back with us from the harvest praise and worship center. a trump supporter. so nice to see you, sir. welcome sirius xm radio's joe madison, host of the joe madison show, veteran civil rights advocate having once served as political action director for the naacp. gentlemen, an honor and pleasure. thank you both. pastor, beginning with you. my first question is really about sincerity. you have mr. trump in the wake of everything that happened in milwaukee over the weekend, the shooting, the protests, he chooses not to speak in
milwaukee but down the way in a town in front of a mostly white crowd. if he's trying to reach out to the black vote, which is what republicans are asking him to do, his sincerity is truly being called in to question. can you see that? >> obviously i can see it being called into question because mr. trump has been painted as a racist. obviously he is not a racist but this is what the -- this is what has been created about his personality, as being racist, when he's politically incorrect. the way to combat political incorrectly is to call somebody racist. so almost anything mr. trump does is going to appear as though he is really not sincere. when i know the man's heart and i know him personally and i tell you, he has a desire for all americans. right now what we're really need to be focusing on is black
people, african-americans have been voting for the democrat party en masse for over 50 years and what do we have to show for it economically? look at the net worth media of households in america is at $116,000 when the net worth of a black family net worth of a black family is less than -- just over $7,000. >> i agree, pastor. listen, we heard mr. trump. he wants to help the economy. >> black people are suffering. >> absolutely. he points out that black people are suffering. he talks about community policing, increasing policing in communities. but if he is being called names, the question would be, why not then go and speak within these nun communities, to these communities? >> joe, you're such a well respected voice on the radio and beyond. you heard the pastor. what do you think? >> he just contradicted himself. he said that the way to get
called a racist is to call somebody else a racist. well, that's what trump just called hillary clinton, did he not? he said she was bigoted. this is fascinating when you think about it. she was fighting against segregation and discrimination before she was even out of law school. she was working with the children's defense fund. did for years. worked with them, volunteered with them. served on their board. you have a gentleman -- and again, i don't know donald trump. i've never met him. but what i do know is that when the central park five were falsely accused of rape, ended up in prison -- it's not funny. >> there you go again. >> sir, i didn't interrupt you, reverend. >> i apologize. but it has to be about -- >> it's not your apology that i need. >> pastor, stand by. let -- i want joe to finish his
thought. >> like i said, i listened very patiently to him so let me finish. so here was a man who has yet to apologize for accusing -- falsely accusing those individuals. here's a man who, by the way, has had discrimination lawsuits filed against him because of his lawsuit. but let me not focus on what he has done, let me focus on what she has done. there is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in hillary clinton's record that says she is a bigot. matter of fact, every major civil rights leader in this country supports her because she has a track record of fighting. the republican party, for example, won't even -- and the judiciary committee won't even bring up public policy that would in fact repair the 1965 voting rights act that the supreme court gutted. and that's public policy issue. they're waiting for an actual
vote to take place. so the reality is that what mr. trump -- i'll finish and be quiet about this -- he's practicing what is called transferen transference. in other words, i will call you what i am or what i'm being called before people begin to look at my record. all you have to do is look at the record. >> pastor burns. >> the fact of the matter is -- the fact of the matter is all of that sounds great. i honor the esteemed gentleman for what he's done in the past. but all of that sounds great. fact of the matter is today, today, with a democratic president and for over the last 50 years we as black people en masse have been voting for a policy that has been backed by the democratic party. and do we have to show for it? more of us are on welfare. let of us own homes. less of us are graduating from college. you can talk all day long about
what hillary clinton has done. but the proof is in the pudding, sir, that hillary clinton is bad for african-americans. the democratic party is bad for african-americans. the thing is, most black people that i talk to know this. now will they publicly, openly say that? no. because in this political climate we have painted donald trump to be this false racist, like what you just did, talking about what took place in new york city. that donald trump -- he put an ad out there but does it have to be because they were black he did that? or could he actually believe based off of evidence that was given at the time they were guilty? has nothing to do about their race. then you want to talk about donald trump being sued for red lining. everybody was sued for red lining and it wasn't donald trump. you got to remember, his father was in -- was leading. so you take bits and pieces and you create a false narrative and a false information and then you
paint it to the national people while forcing our african-american people to stay in bondage, to stay locked up, to stay -- consistently be part of the mass incarceration that's hurting us, where we are losing the ground in academics, where we're losing the ground in economy. where we're not owning businesses. where we are consistently going to the back of the bus. sir, you're part of the problem by continuously supporting the democratic party by their policies and hillary clinton by putting us there. so we want to focus on whether or not donald trump is sincere. that's irrelevant. what is relevant is what's already taking place with the democratic party and what hillary clinton has done. what we do need is somebody that's going to not just talk about it but actually make some things happen. donald trump is the man to do that. >> sincerity is always important. i want a sincere candidate. i want a sincere president. and by the way -- >> we all do. >> -- i think you need to update
your statistics. because reality is now more african-americans are graduating from high school and entering into college, and those are facts. but i forgot, fact don't count whether it comes to donald trump and his supporters. but the reality is that they're out there. and here's the point. >> let joe finish. >> here's the point -- reverend, reverend. this is -- hey, reverend, this is not your pulpit. reverend, the reality is -- no, this is -- >> pastor, we listened to you. let joe finish. >> pastor, pastor. pastor. pastor, please. with all due respect. you know, let's just understand this. all you have to do is check the record of both candidates and you will see, she is not a bigot. no if, ands, buts, about it. and when it comes to the democratic party -- >> she's a liar.
>> whatever. >> on that, pastor burns, joe madison, thank you. thank you. thank you. >> he thinks this is funny but it is reallier issees business. >> it's very serious. hey, hey, hey, reverend. hey, reverend. i'm just glad -- i'm just glad you weren't around to free the slaves. good-bye. coming up next, "shut it down." wow. shut it down. major newspaper, editorial page, calling on the clinton foundation to be shut down if hillary clinton wins the election. we will discuss with jake tapper. your insurance company
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"the boston globe" today has a harsh message for hillary clinton. stop accepting all donations for the clinton foundation right now. a strongly worded opinion piece, the "globe" editorial board insists if clinton wins the white house, the foundation must be shut down. in farthpart, they write, "the inherent conflict of interest was obvious when hillary clinton became secretary of state in 2009. if the clinton foundation continues to cash checks from foreign governments and other individuals seeking to ingratiate themselves, for a president hillary clinton it would be unacceptable. critics have slammed the clinton foundation for accepting money from nations with troubling human rights records. let's talk all of this over with our chief washington correspondent and host of "the
lead," jake tapper. what have the clintons said? ? if hillary clinton were to win in november, what will they do? >> it is a big question. this was an issue of course when then-president elect obama offered then-senator clinton the position of secretary of state and there was a lot of legal wrangling about what kind of firewall would need to be put up between the state department and the clinton foundation. but now obviously this is an even bigger job than secretary of state, becoming the president. bill clinton at a cgi, cnn global initiative event, just a few weeks ago was asked about it. here is what he said. >> there will clearly be some changes in what the clinton foundation does and how we do it. and we'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to. >> but it is not just "the boston globe" editorial page raising concern. just this week "the washington post" editorial page did the same saying, among other things, as secretary of state, clinton pledged to keep her official
word and her -- i'm sorry. her official world and her family's foundation separate, and she failed to keep them separate. enough such sloppiness would not be acceptable in the white house. in addition, you have clinton ally, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, saying that they might have to consider shutting it down if she does win the white house. >> so there is that. number two, the big -- let me ask you about the green party town hall on cnn tonight. for folks who have never heard these two names, who are they? >> jill stein obviously is a doctor. she is the nominee. she ran four years ago and got .36% of the vote. what she really needs to do in the next week or so is get her poll numbers up to where gary johnson has managed to get them, which is within spitting distance of 15%. because the key for any of these so-called third party candidates, whether evan mcmullen, or gary johnson or
jill stein, the key is to get into those presidential debates, to get into that 15% poll threshold. that's what she needs to do. she's hoping that some of that will happen tonight. >> all right. if you'd like to learn more about jill stein, tune in. green party debate happening this evening. mr. tapper, thank you. again, green party town hall tonight, 9:00 eastern here on cnn. we are 82 days, folks. count them with me. 82. until election day. donald trump is getting his very first intelligence briefing today. what will he learn and what happens if either donald trump or hillary clinton accidentally leaks any of that information? we'll talk live with a former cia officer coming up.
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gum® brand. i think the dni, clapper, should deny hillary clinton access to classified information during this campaign given how she so recklessly handled classified information. >> they have been told these are classified briefings. and if they want to be president, they got to start acting like president. and that means being able to receive these briefings and not spread them around. >> here's what i can tell you today. this afternoon in new york somewhere donald trump is set to receive information he has never before been privy to. the republican nominee will receive his very first classified national security briefing. as you just heard, top obviously
leaders, president and speaker ryan, have raised concerns over whether the rival party's nominee should even be given these kinds of classified briefings. let me bring in former cia counterterrorism analyst and cnn political commentator, buck sexton. hello. you briefed president bush once upon a time in your role at the white house. you never briefed a nominee. what kind of information, where would in be? >> they're going to be giving strategic sort of 30,000-foot assessments of a whole bunch of different issues. it is not going to be particularly granular because that's not where they are going to be taking the candidates right now. they'll be giving an overview of major topics. quite honestly these sorts of overview briefings which are given to policymakers, not even just in this capacity when running for president but a cross the board. a lot of people sort of need to get up to speed, need a background briefing on any given issue. it tends to be at a very high level meaning in terms of it being 30,000 feet up.
you don't get into the details, certainly not into source rz and meth nods and some of the more sensitive issues that the intelligence community deals with. i don't think this will in any way be surprising to hillary clinton. i think that she'll be very aware of some of what we call the analytic lines, this sort of broad conclusions and judgment of the intel community on major issues. i think they may be a little more surprising to candidate trump but we'll have to see. of course i don't know what's in the briefings but my sense is that he has more catch-up to do on this than the former secretary of state does. >> we have learned today that governor chris christie will be with him, retired general michael flynn. they're sitting in this briefing room, wherever this is in new york. will they then have had to be vetted before they go in to get the briefing as well? >> absolutely. anybody else who's in the room has to have an active security clearance. the exception to this -- this also becomes very political because of some of hillary's problems with the e-mails, the exception to having an active clearance that's something that's given to you based on the investigation is if the american people elect you.
that also therefore transfers over to people who are in this process of being the candidate. so if you are the candidate, there's no background process or anything. you get the briefings. same thing with the president of the united states. people pointed out that there have been brief presidents who may have had a bit of trouble getting a security clearance on their own had they not been elected commander in chief. but everybody else in the room has to have an active clearance for the information. it is imperative for both campaigns to keep it under wraps. i think they will. it it is a legal issue. there are federal statutes that govern this issue. >> if they don't? >> the president has the ability to real time declassify. if the president slips up on classified, then it is not a crime. if a candidate were to slip up, i don't think anybody knows what would happen there. i think we would all have to agree to forget it. >> forget about it. interesting. >> yeah. >> buck sexton, thank you so much. up next, personal side of the devastation down in
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u. historic flooding taking a catastrophic toll on the folks in louisiana. among them, the home of dennis and kristine. his emotional plea for help has been shared all over social media. >> i got this. i know i can do it. i did it once. i'm sure i can do it again. and i will do it again. of all of the other families out there, man, i know what you're going through. keep your head up, keep fwod in your heard, understand you will get through. try not to take it out on each other.
>> that is dennis who is joining me now along with kristine and his daughter. your tears, how are you all holding up? >> yeah, it almost got me just there. just staying strong, just uniting as a family. so much love and support and just doing what we have to do. >> when you talk about doing what you have to do, there are a lot of folks where you are and they lost their homes for the first time, this is number two for you. can you tell me about that? >> yeah, in march we suffered a similar flood and last time we only had four or five inches in our house, but it was still taxing. we didn't have insurance. we had to do a lot of work ourselves. it took us all of the way to father's day to move back in
about eight weeks ago. i still had a lot of projects to do and then this happens. >> wow, and fallon, you're 12 years old, have you ever seen so much water? >> well, in the ocean. >> in the ocean, but not running through your streets and your homes. kristine, have you all heard from others since dennis put that video out on social media? what is the response and the love been like back toward you? >> it has been a true blessing and amazing. >> what do you want people to know about your home and baton rouge, what you need, how folks can help. >> there is a lot of people in baton rouge, and another city
near by, just got six feet of water yesterday. i know that the use coverage will be go, but nom people have lost their lives and lost everything. i so appreciate the love and reach out that we have gotten. we're going to do everything we can to try to take that reach out, pay it forward, and try to reach as many people as we can. >> and you have a go fund me page? >> yes, ma'am, we do. our friend started it for us, and we are just simple people. we will use what we can to get back in our house, of course, as a family. anything extra we'll pay forward. we'll take it to as many families and help as much as we can. we love our city and our
community and the state of louisiana and the resilience of the people. there are a lot of people that need it as much as we do. >> thank you, i hope you're feeling the love all of the way from new york. we will stay in touch with you all, go to cnn.com/impact to find out how you can help. coming up next, a judge orders a search warrant for ryan lochte after his report of an armed robbery in rio.
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