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erasing student debt, how, how, how, could you ever do that? >> we found a way to bail out wall street. when we needed the money, we found it, including about $17 trillion worth of practically zero interest loans which was made available, you know, as needed. we found a way to bail out wall street, the guys that crashed the economy with their waste, fraud and abuse. so my point is as responsible adults, we need to bail out a young are generation that is held hostage in this unpayable student debt. it's terrible for them, it's terrible for our whole society. because it's always the younger generation that leads us forward to create the economy of the future and to lead the social changes that we urgently need right now. >> but the concept itself, as enticing as it is, there's one
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apples to oranges here, quantitative easing, however we dealt with the banks in 2008 right or wrong, those loans, zero interest in some cases were repaid. so that would not erase student debt. no matter what interest rate it is, you still have the principal. it's not the same mechanism with the bank and how would you get a congress that wants to do nothing like this to do something like this. >> it was easy for the banks to repay the loan. they're an extremely advantaged and privileged group. they get the money at zero interest, they loan it out at 7% so it's really easy for them to pay back those loans. young people are not in that situation. they don't have the jobs that we need. we don't have an economy that can employ them. so here's what i'm suggesting. that debt is largely owned now by the federal government, the
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vast bulk of it. i'm suggesting that the federal reserve actually buy that debt like it did for wall street but in this case that it buy that date and basically declare that debt null and void, which essentially means that the federal reserve would be expanding the money supply into the hands of young people so that they can spend it into the economy instead of having to pay back the loans with their hard earned dollars, they know own their hard earned dollars. >> so let me make sure that we understand. so the federal reserve would buy the debt. so they would expire the debt, whatever the accounting equivalent is. we're talking about $1.3 or so trillion dollars. and you're saying they would take that amount of money in new currency and give it to the people who held the loans? >> no, i'm saying they basically
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cancel the loans which is like giving -- it's almost like giving students money. they don't actually give them money. this means instead of -- >> so they retire the entire debt. you have to go to congress and say here's why i think we should expand the debt by $1.3 trillion -- >> but, chris, i think we need to make a corrective. quantitative easing was the creation of money. they created money and handed that money to the banks at the tune of $85 billion a month. let me say that one more time. $85 billion a month. so if there's mechanisms that can be found to basically prop up the banks, why can't the american people get propped up once in a while? >> it's a legitimate question. it's a legitimate question. believe me, i hate being the person who has to check the idea of removing the student debt.
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i don't know if that's the best al angbert hayneswort -- analog. i don't know if it's the best political imperative. >> congress could also be asked to come up with the money. there's another way to do this. the federal reserve doesn't need the permission of congress. this is an act that the federal reserve can take on its own. yes, we would sort of owe that money to our sselveourselves, b nation, we have the capacity to do that. we can decide to spend money on ourselves and in particular we can decide to spend money on our younger generation who currently does not have a future. who is more worth spending money on than our younger generation? >> let's get another question from the audience. this is maria christina garcia,
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a u.s. army veteran. she works as an outreach coordinator. what's your question? she does not know who she's voting for. >> good evening. thank you for being here. dr. stein, i have a little concern. i know you're advocating for boycotting israel. i don't know why you single out israel where they're a democratic ally to us. why don't you do the same for other middle eastern states, many of which are committing horrific crimes and abuse of people. >> let me reassure you, maria, that's exactly what we are doing. i've been very careful to avoid that pitfall of targeting israel. and what we say is that we are turning over a new chapter because we ourselves have been as guilty of this as any of our
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allies. but what we would say under a green station, if we turned the white house into a greenhouse, what we're saying is that our foreign policy will be based on international law and human rights. so when we say to israel that we will not continue to give you $8 million a day when the israeli army is occupying territory in palestine, conducting home demolitions and assassinations and things of that sort that are recognized by the u.n., we're not going to do it for the saudis either. they don't get a pass whatsoever, nor for that matter does egypt get a pass with their incredible human rights violations. we're giving them not as much but giving them billions of dollars. >> have you advocated to boycott saudi arabia? >> yes, absolutely.
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that's right. >> and israel is not saudi arabia or egypt. it certainly occupy as special alliance with the united states and supporters would argue faces an existential threat that others do not. so do you see israel as being a special ally and in a unique defensive position in that part of the world? >> well, you know, i happen to be of jewish origin so, yes, i have a special connection to israel and i have family members who are living there part time, but, you know, i don't think we are doing israel a favor by condoning a policy that makes israel very insecure, that makes israel the target of hostility from its neighbors. and, in fact, the current, you know, government of israel, the netanyahu government, has a sponsor from someone, a casino magnate living here in the u.s. who is funding and supporting a very aggressive and hostile poli
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policy, he's not even living there. i don't think that's good for someone to be influencing israel's policy when they don't have to live with the consequences. >> i understand you have family relations there but do you believe as a state that israel has a preference as an ally that saudi arabia and egypt do not? do you believe they're a special ally? yes or no? >> i believe all of our allies are special allies. israel and all of them. we are all members of the human family. i think we have responsibilities to everyone to create a world that works for all of us. and by sponsoring a very hostile military policy that violates international law, that doesn't do us any favors. there are people in israel who are really working for human rights, who are actually building community with the palestinians. there are human rights groups that are building trust, that are building community and that
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are building confidence. these are the groups that we need to be lifting up to create a middle east that's going to work for everyone. [ applause ] >> let me get another question in here. lacy dickinson, a project manager from philadelphia, she co-founded a social media company called feminist news. she says she's voting for you in november. what's your question? >> good evening. as everyone knows, the black lives matter movement has raised a lot of awareness around violence that's been committed against people of color. it's also exposed a great incompetence in many local police forces what do you think the role of the federal government should be in kind of structuring and working with local forces and how would you work to ensure that officers are brought to just who kill citizens? >> great. thank you. really critical question. very much the question of the hour. when we're seeing a new tragedy
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unfold almost on a daily basis. so this a crisis and it's very much related, i think, to an ongoing crisis of racial injustice that really has been kind of a continuing legacy from the criminal institution of slavery on which this country was founded, from slavery from lynchings to jim crow to segregation, mass incarceration, the war on drugs and now police violence. so we have a deep problem here. i want to suggest a couple of things we need to do. some of them are focused and some of them are very big. number one, we need to ensure that every community has a civilian review board so that communities are in charge of their police instead of having police in charge of their communities for starters. we need to ensure that every community has access to an independent investigators so it
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doesn't require an act of god in washington, d.c. and the department of justice to find out what happened. i think any death at the hands of police needs to be investigated. and then on the big end, we're calling for a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can actually understand what is this living legacy of fear, of racism, of incredible racial bias that the police violence is just the tip. iceberg because we have bias in our judicial system, in our prison system, you know, which is mass incarceration largely for people of color, an economy where the average african-american family has 5 cents of wealth on the dollar that an average caucasian family has just through the cumulative impact of economic bias and
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unfairness. incredible health disparities. seven years off the average life span of someone just for living while black. there are incredible just disparities and violence, economic violence, social violence that has to be dealt with. we're calling for this truth and reconciliation commission so we can share our stories, we can share music, art, have a facilitated conversation that our campaign hopes to help engender so that we can come to terms with who we are as human beings and overcome this legacy that's dividing us. >> mr. baraka, i want you to way in on this. i've read a lot of what you've had to say about this. there is a preconception roight now that this problem begins and ends with police in high-profile
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cases. you know when you look at policing, certain things are clear. one, there's certainly room for improvement. but this is not a big percentage of policing. and it seems like the focus on bad policing winds of overshadowing all of these other issues that are going on in these communities where you do have very high crime rates and why you have high crime rates and why you have such a high number of exchanges with police in those communities and what the opportunities and educations and family stability issues are. do you believe that that's doing a disservice that while the black lives matter movement and others like it are well intentioned to a certain degree to want to bring attention to it, you don't talk about those issues and you just talk about police, you're not only exaggerating a problem but you're also refusing to discuss what the real root issues are. >> the real root issue is the issue of oppression, systemic oppression. think the courageous activity of
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our young folk bringing attention to the war being waged against black people and brown people and native people in this country is the kind of attention we have to have. basically we have the consequences of poe pregs but what we are dealing with now on almost a daily basis is the consequences of individuals, departments with the power of being able to use legitimate violence using violence against their own citizens. so we have a situation where a war is being waged against black people in this country, and basically what we have to do is call attention to that. so the other issues are important. they aren't connected. we're talking about a system of oppression with the police being the front line of that oppression. so we have to talk about that. we can't evade it, we can't erase, it we have to deal with
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it. why do we have the kind of policing we have in these black communities? because we have colonized territories where basically the police are acting like a military force, they're behaving like a military force because you are policing basically a population that at this point in history is almost superfluous. in the larger economy, we've become the problem people that the voice talked about. the way you deal with a problem people now, you police them, you incarcerate them, you kill them. so that is the major contradiction right now that we have to deal with. and the american people have to deal with this because, you know, the people are not going to allow themselves to be owe pro -- oppressed like that in that way. they're going to struggle, struggle relentlessly. >> let's take a moment here because this is an introduction to a much larger audience than
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is used to getting exposure to the green party ticket. let's get some personal information out there. i will say that you used to -- you play instruments and you use to be the lead singer in a band called somebody's sister and you do have a beautiful voice. so tell us about that in your life. i'm not going to ask you to sing but tell us about singing in your life, what it meant to you. >> singing and music, i have to say, just gave me incredible courage to do everything else in my life. it was really kind of a foundation for me that connected me to people and communities and just kind of our higher selves and it gave me a sense of the infinite potential that we have to, you know, to sort of choose our existence, to make our
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existence something very special, powerful, mysterious and for me that energy carries on. i don't get to play music very much these days and i'm so out of shape, i wouldn't inflict it on anybody but, you know, for me it's just a constant source of inspiration. >> have you heard somebody's sister? >> not yet but i'm going to check it out. >> you have a treat coming your way, my friend. let me tell you that right now. ajamu baraka, you have achieved something very difficult in this age. it is very difficult to find any information about you on the internet. i'm able to find what you've written about, where you've traveled but i don't know much about you as a person. what do you want me to know? >> i'm a father, a grandfather,
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i have four wonderful children, all adults. i have 16 grandchildren and i'm a pretty boring person. basically, that's why there's not that much out there. i like spending time with my family. i have a very special person in my life now, a significant other who is a revolutionary like myself and we -- our life basically is the struggle. it's being with people with like mind. being with people who believe in the possibility of a new world. so, you know, i read and hang out and just try to enjoy life and be with my family. >> let me ask one more question. a hero, huge concept, takes on a lot of different applications in our culture. when you think about a personal hero to you, who comes to mind? >> martin luther king.
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>> kills you that i asked her first because now you can't go there. >> i have someone from that same time. fanny lou haimen. >> tell us why. >> she was from a black plantation in mississippi, didn't have formal education butch she hbut she had a spirit of resistance and she became a leader, and she was famous for going to the democratic convention in 1964 and demanding with other members of the mississippi freedom democratic party to sit in place of the mississippi democratic party because they said the party from mississippi was illegal and that the real representatives were the black masters and other progressive whites in mississippi. and they were denied of course and johnson tried to eliminate her in florence, but she was a hero to millions of people around the world. she's my hero.
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>> dr. jill stein, mr. ajamu baraka, thank you for taking the time for this opportunity. that is it for the cnn green party town hall. time now for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. thank you very much, mr. cuomo. you just heard green party nominee jill stein and her running mate ajamu baraka lay out their political case. i want to begin with breaking news out of rio. two u.s. olympic swimmers pulled on their plane tonight bound home from brazilian authorities after questions were raised about their account of being robbed along with teammates ryan lochte and james fagan.
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nick, i'm going to start with you. this story is getting more bizarre by the moment. what do we know about these latest developments? >> reporter: it is absolutely extraordinary, don. now we are facing two american athletes part of a team at the top of the medals table now it seems taken off the plane to some degree. the phraseology from the u.s. olympic committee, two members of the four swimmers who said they were robbed who didn't give stiemts the police, that they have been, quote, removed from their flights by the united states by brazilian authority. that's quite remarkable. earlier on we heard a rejoe judge issued a search and seizure warrant for lochte. they hadn't been clear about how
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many robbers had taken valuables from them and whether they were surprised by them. the judge had seen some cctv footage that they arrived home and didn't seem shaken which led her to believe something was amiss. this is because police believe they're missing evidence or information. now the remaining two individuals are stopped from leaving the country. part of the court order was to remove the passports of ryan lochte and james fagan. we spoke to mr. lochte's lawyer, he spoke to anybody who would be willing, he continues to be cooperative, he only left the country as these warrants were issues. and he hasn't even received a question of further cooperation.
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supposedly we heard they lef the night club in the early hours of sunday morning, they were pulled over in their taxi by men dressed as police, they were armed. the big things that aroused suspicion of police here and many brazilians who saw it play out was that these men were robbed by armed vilds but appear to have escaped with their cell phones and their credentials. if you look at the cctv of them getting home, it appears they got home with a lot of high-value items as well. anyone in brazil knows those are the target of any armed robber. it's exploded from being simply a piece of paper handed to try and get ryan lochte who left the country and jeff fagan who may
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not have left the country -- >> if two of the swimmers were pulled from the plane, where is the fourth swimmer? >> it's a great question, done. we have been told and we are reporting that he is in rio. they have not disclosed his whereabouts. obviously the other two today tried to get on a plane and we now know what happened to them. this, as nick said, this has escalated into a stunning story. the u.s. olympic committee is also not in control of this. and ryan lochte is home. if there are instaeconsistencied apparently there are, the question is going to come back to ryan lochte saying here are your three friends stuck in rio,
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you're home safe and sound, will ryan lochte have to speak out and say if something is different, if the story must change, i don't know. it is a stunning story that has taken over these olympic games. and exactly what the u.s. does not want to have happen. the u.s. wants to tread lightly in an olympics, win medals but not cause trouble. and, oh, my goodness, this is the exact thing the u.s. lip pick committee, usa swimming, no one wanted this to happen. they have a nightmare on their hands. >> what does this mean internationally. one is here at home. the olympic committee didn't want it, the governor didn't want it. what does that mean? >> one of the things with an olympic game, you want to get along. with all of the questions going
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in as we all know about brazil and the issues of crime, if there was no crime committed, we don't know, ryan lochte said a gun was to his head early sunday morning, if that didn't happen, we can't begin to think of the consequences. there's so many questions we don't yet have the answers to but this is just, as i said, a nightmare scenario for the united states for the u.s. olympic committee and for these swimmers. >> ryan lochte said he was held at gun point and on and on and on. we're going to continue to follow this. thank you, christine. thank you nick payton walsh. two swimmers competing in the olympics removed from an airplane. two of them are being held by authorities and then ryan lochte, the most famous of the four of them back here in the
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united states. again, we'll continue to follow. i want to turn to politics. donald trump shaking up his campaign today hiring steve bannon and the man called the most dangerous political operative in america as a ceo. what a turn of events, just 80 some days out from the convention. so trump's poll numbers are sinking now. this is a big shake-up. what can you tell us how all this came down, sara? >> we know donald trump loves the polls. it's not new to him he's lagging behind in them. he paid close attention to that. he had frustration this was not the type of campaign he wanted to run. he felt he had one foot in the outsider lane and one foot trying to please the establishment. he wasn't doing either of those well. those frustrations hit a boiling point over the weekend and earlier this week and that's when we saw him bring on steve bannon and elevate kellyanne
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conway, now she's a campaign manager. >> she sat right there last night. >> yeah, yeah. so it's going to be interesting to see how this works out. some are saying this means donald trump will go back to basics, we'll get these big raucous rallies. kellyanne was much more measured saying we want to see him talk about policy, talk about obama care and about isis but this election is not a referendum about donald trump. there's hillary clinton on the ballot. if you want change, you vote for trump, not for clinton. that's difficult to prosecute when so many have developed opinions about trump. >> remember when paul manafort came on. they said oh, he fired corey lewandowski. they put out a press release, "this is an exciting day for
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team trump." . >> i think he'll have some kind of involvement, i don't think we know exactly what that involvement is. clearly the keys of the car have been handed to steve bannon to drive it. kellyanne, who is on our air often and we've known her for years, is being called the c campaign manager. >> she's good with numbers and demographics. >> she's a good pollster and she's well liked within the democratic movement. they know kellyanne, they know she's even handed and cool tempered. steve bannon, who has never run a campaign, is taking over the whole campaign. it's not a glorious job, it is a difficult job. >> is he taking over because one of the surrogates said it's just
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a ceo sort of figure head to watch the whole thing. >> absolutely not. not with the days remaining in the campaign so short. what someone in the campaign explained today is the bottom line is we didn't have the structure beforehand, we didn't have somebody running the campaign, paul manafort really took over that responsibility, we needed someone else to do it. >> paul manafort was sort of the message man. >> joe johnson, you covered a hillary clinton rally today. what did she have to say about it? >> it's clear the campaign's taking advantage of this, don. quite frankly the campaign manager got on the conference call with reporters this afternoon accusing donald trump of small, nasty and divisive instincts in bringing on his new chief executive. hillary clinton took the stage here not long after that, walked to the microphone and lit into donald trump again.
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listen. >> and for anyone waiting for donald trump to suddenly become more responsible, remember what a great american, maya angelou, said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them. and i think it's fair to say that donald trump has shown us who he is. >> so donald trump getting hit for going to the right in this situation and hillary clinton doing everything she can to continue defining him in the space that he created, more or less, with some of his more incendiary comments, especially during the primaries, don. >> mark preston, who is happy about this change and who isn't happy about it? >> i'm sure corey lewandowski is happy about it, right?
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ly listen, is anyone happy when you're making a change in the campaign so close to election day? what is surprising is you see it back to back within 60 days. >> this late -- >> yeah, 75, 80 days to election day. it's troubling. >> does this happy move the needle with women, minorities, college educated women? >> i think the bonus might be kellyanne conway being on the plane because she can filter the things that donald trump says or is doing and sort of nudge him or guide him in the direction he might need to go. but you get back to the situation where if you've been watching someone on television for the last year and a half, which feels like about as long as i've been covering those campaigns, it's ard to move
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those feelings you already have about a candidate. it's going to be hard to move an opinion someone has about donald trump in the remaining 80 days. >> when you are a personal like donald trump that, is a personality like none other, it's very difficult to really change someone's direction and how they address things and how they pursue. >> we saw the video coming out today him meeting with his national security advisers today. how did that go? what can you tell bus. >> at trump tower, if the same conference room where he does interviews. >> you know, donald trump was almost on track to be on message for three straight days. he was talking on isis on money, he did a law enforcement speech on tuesday, today was supposed to be the roundtable. i think donald trump is listen to people who are more informed
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on these issues. it's going to be pivotal ahead of these die dee bates to make sure trump goes into them informed. not that he knows every tiny detail but that he can speak. you get deeper into that when you talk about general election and prime rich debates. i ran into general flynn as he was leaving today. he had their classified briefing together. he said it was very professional. >> how does the clinton campaign prepare for an onslaught of breitbart style attacks coming their way no doubt? >> they're pretty prepared. i can tell you every single thing that goes across the transom, there is a possibility of at least a paper statement coming out of this campaign. they seem to be improving on the rapid response and they have suggested that they're going to be responding a lot more in the coming weeks. they think this could get ugly.
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>> all right. thank you, joe. thank you very much, mark. thank you, sarah. when we come right back, a presidential candidate that says he'll be on on the debate stage along with donald trump and hillary clinton. when it comes to healthcare,
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>> donald trump making big changes to his campaign. i want to talk to libertarian candidate gary johnson. he joins us along with mark preston. mark liked it so much, he came back for another segment. governor, thank you for joining us. you doing okay? >> thanks. we just had a rally in miami. overflow crowds, couldn't fit them all in. what do you think of that. >> look at that, you're getting a plug in already. you sound like trump, i had ton
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of people, it was yuge. >> tons! >> what do you make of it? >> i'm the smaller -- i'm getting the issue plug in here. i'm the smaller government guy, i'm the personal liberty and freedom and people making choices and then when we intervene militarily, when we support regime change, it really has a negative consequence. >> i know you said you'll leave it to us -- >> can you ask anything. it's your show. >> i'm glad you realize that. some doesnn't. >> steve bannon, is he what we need right now?
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>> what we trying to serve, being fiscally responsible and inclusive. we want to provide straight talk, truth and honesty, that's missing. >> let's talk about the polls and talk about getting your message out. the polls have you in the high single digits, which is not a bad place to be. you're getting pretty close. you're 9% in the recent bloomberg poll. the reason i mention that is because we're just less than three months to the election. what do you think can you do to boost your support before then? >> you know, don, the numbers are doubling about every three weeks right now and the presidential debate commission did identify the file polls they're going to look at. in those five polls were actually their last numbers we
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were at 10. if you just look at the and l analyti analytics, which have us reaching 25 million people social media-wise it, looks really good we will attain that 15%. and then in the last couple of days raising about $3 million, you know, that's a real opportunity to actually inform the 70% of americans that don't even know we're in the race at all. >> 15% is to get to the debate stage do you think you'll make it? >> we'd be at 20% if we were at the top line of any of these polls. the top lines are trump and clinton and johnson is a couple of questions down and then 99% of media just reports the top line. if we were on the top line, don, tomorrow, it would be 20% and a
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lot of that would have to do with just how -- just discontented everybody is with those two candidates. but bill weld and myself, libertarian nominee for president, we're the only third party that will be on the ballot in 50 states. >> mark preston is the polls guy. what do you make of what he said? he wants to be on the top line to get 20%. >> the way polls are done, too, it's not necessarily when a pollster calls for our viewers out there, they don't negotiation -- necessarily say donald trump or hillary clinton first, it's a random sampling. he doesn't think the media has done a good enough job highlighting his position or governor weld's or even tonight
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the green party. >> i want to ask the green party and liberation party, do you think they're cancelling each other out? >> i think there are some folks who could be supportive of either or party but inthe end i don't think they're necessarily cancelling each other out. i was wondering if governor johnson got a chance to see tonight's green party town hall and what his thoughts were on what jill stein or her running mate had to say tonight. >> you know, my thoughts, i'm not trying to kiss up here but cnn, hey, thanks for having the green party on and thanks for giving as you couple of town halls. you know what, i'm not so frustrated about this whole thing. i'm really optimistic that we will be in the debates and as crazy as this campaign season is, i might be the next president of the united states and you guys, hey, thanks for spicing this up a little bit. >> stranger things have happened. >> you're going to be able to say that, hey, we had him on, we
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had him on early and, you know -- >> you're going to invite don lemon to the first state dinner. >> this has been such a whacky election season, who knows, anything can happen, even right now. >> all right, all right. you heard it first. don lemon. >> let me ask you the same question. do you worry that the libertarian and the green party are maybe cancelling each other out? >> no, i don't think so at all. i really, you know, we're drawing pretty much equally from both sides. i see that going all the way to the election. a wasted vote is voting for somebody that you don't believe in. if you don't vote your conscience, shame on you and, you know, i think maybe six weeks from now you'll be talking about is voting for trump a wasted vote? is voting for clinton a wasted vote given that gary johnson has risen so far, so fast. >> very presidential. >> i know, that was very
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presidential. thank you. hey, listen, you're a good guy. i like your attitude. thank you very much, governor. >> when we come right back, some conservatives are cheering donald trump's champion pain shake- -- campaign shake-up. others not so much. we'll hear from both sides. engines more efficient.chne what company does all this? exxonmobil, that's who. we're working on all these things to make cars better and use less fuel. helping you save money and reduce emissions. and you thought we just made the gas. energy lives here.
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what do leading conservatives think about donald trump's campaign overall? two of them are with me tonight. gentlemen, good to have both of you on. matt, good to have both of you with me. big shake-up today by hiring stephen bannon. you say it's an excellent idea. why? >> i think kellyanne conway and stephen bannon is a great move. steve bannon, this is someone
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who really understands 21st century digital media. he's bit a built of an empire of the right online and he understands its importance. he understands how important it is to get messages out in a crisp, clear fashion and i think it's exactly what the trump campaign needs. i think we all know, all of us supporting him know what he needs to do from a message perspective. the question is are they going to actually start doing it. >> so trump's speech last night, matt, reading prepared remarks went very well with conservatives but sources tell cnn we should expect to see more big rallies, less teleprompter. that's the environment where his off-the-cuff style gets him in trouble, isn't it? >> i guess i could pick either one as to which is preferred. i don't think that's what the let be trump thing is all about. what i would love to see, when he really popped and made the most favorable impress with voters is when he went out there and talked in a calmer fashion
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with his kids around quite honestly. whenever one of his children is with him at an event, they explain things that it's harder for the candidate to do. his greatest achievements are those children. i would continue them to use the kids as they go forward. it's only a couple of months. i think it puts their father in the best possible light. >> now to mr. kristol. bannon's hiring described on your web site today says this in part "a campaign overall means trump is choosing to end his campaign living in the alternate reality that breitbart creates for him on an every day basis, where everything he does is the best, where anyone who questions him is an idiot, where house speaker paul ryan is a problem with modern conservatism, where polls that find him down are fixed where elections are rigged
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and where truly trump alone can fix it all." you guys should say how you really feel. you think bannon reinforces trump's bad habit? >> yeah, bannon is like a mini me. 85% people trump is not qualified to be president. let his kids go on stage. people are electing a president, not someone whose kids happen to like him. paul ryan in deep trouble in his wisconsin primary. that was his analysis. they wanted him to lose. he won by 84-16. this is the site that says all the polls that you see that cnn does that show trump down 9, 12, 14, all phony, all rigged. so trump decided to get someone who would be a yes man and reinforce his worst instincts. it's been successful by
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breitbart news but -- >> what's their role in conservative media? you've had your run-ins with breitbart treatment, you've gotten some name calling, a headline called you a republican spoiler renegade jew. >> i didn't react to the renegade jew thing because i didn't want to make a big deal out it ha out of it but i think it's disgusting. we have plenty of debates. we don't normally attack people because of their prediction. why was i a renegade jew? >> why? >> because i didn't like donald trump and if i didn't elect donald trump, then the relationship with israel was in jeopardy. i don't think people think that donald trump needs to be elected president to save israel. as matt said they're doing great financially. you get a lot of traffic.
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is that the kind of person you want running a presidential campaign? >> go ahead, matt. >> i always find it interesting when people say donald trump and maybe some of his allies throw out these charges and use inappropriate language but you just said what stephen hayes said on your web site. i think that's over the line, too. this year is lot of us have been wrong in our predictions, it's been a heck of a strange year in our predictions. we're all conservatives, we're all republicans. >> i don't ask for any grace. i don't go around attacking people on the basis their religion or their race. breitbart does. >> to the point, matt, i will let you finish. what i read here, i didn't hear any name calling. he's quoting saying anyone who questions him is an idiot or traitor. i didn't see anything like renegade jew. you've seen the bombastic
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headlines. >> i think the "weekly standard" has to be fair that they've been wrong on a lot of their predictions. >> and he's not hiring me as his campaign manager. >> you did a good job with dan quayle, i think you're a talented person. this has nothing to do with breitbartnews.com. this has to do with this campaign in the last three months. i think somebody who understands digital media as they move into the advertising portion of this campaign, somebody who understands the idea of getting your message and somebody who can talk to donald trump and who he will listen to i think is critical at this stage. i think every person who supports donald trump should look at these changes as nothing but positive. >> steve bannon and kellyanne conway have never really run a campaign. and there's still paul manafort
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in the tent. any concern about how this is going to work in practice? >> it's going to be great. manafort will give the pro. putin point of view, trump will make fun of people with disabilities and bannon will make fun of people based on religion -- >> and those are all insults. >> that's silly. >> does manafort's man work for putin or not? >> i don't think it's fair to throw out -- >> do you defend what trump said about mr. khan. >> i'm going to defend that steve bannon and kellyanne are good decisions for this campaign and i'd like to see our coverage
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for this campaign, the things we're talking about today be about these issues. let's talk about the differences between donald trump and hillary clinton for the next three months. i think it would be good for the country. >> there is some worry that bannon is going to dig up every coffin for the debates on clinton. is there going to a rehashing on the clintons from the 1990s? >> i think if they're going to focus on the 1990s it's a big mistake. i think this election is about the fact that washington is broken, our economy needs to get revving again and we have a fight with radical islamic terror. every day they're not talking about that is a day they're losing. going back to the 1990s isn't the solution. >> they brought matt in who has political experience. he would do a good job advising trump. but he doesn't want guys like matt. he wants someone like stephen bannon. >> an expansion of winners.
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inside the trump campaign shake-up, the so-called street fighter. donald trump hires steve bannon. say good-bye to the more presidential trump we've been promised. can the campaign stop his slide in the polls? meanwhile hillary clinton not impressed. >> he can hire and fire anybody he wants from his campaign. they can make him read new words from a teleprompter. but he is still the same man who insults gold star families, demeans women, mocks people with disabilities andnk

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