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up well into adulthood. many people say it is the new mortgage of this generation. so your question gms something as enticing as erasing all student debt begs the question, how, how, how could you ever do that? how? >> let me say first, we found a way to bail out wall street. when we needed the money, we found it, including about $17 trillion worth of practically zero interest loans which was made available, you know, as needed. we found a way to bail out wall street, the guys that crashed the economy with their waste, fraud and abuse. so my point is as responsible adults, we need to bail out a younger generation that is held hostage in this unpayable student debt. it's terrible for them, it's terrible for our whole society. because it's always the younger
generation that leads us forward to create the economy of the future and to lead the social changes that we urgently need right now. >> but the concept itself, as enticing as it is, there's one apples to oranges here, quantitative easing, however we dealt with the banks in 2008 right or wrong, those loans, zero interest in some cases were repaid. so that would not erase student debt. no matter what interest rate it is, you still have the principal. it's not the same mechanism with the bank and how would you get a congress that wants to do nothing like this to do something like this. >> it was easy for the banks to repay the loan. they're an extremely advantaged and privileged group. they get the money at zero interest, they loan it out at 7% so it's really easy for them to pay back those loans.
young people are not in that situation. they don't have the jobs that we need. we don't have an economy that can employ them. so here's what i'm suggesting. that debt is largely owned now by the federal government, the vast bulk of it. i'm suggesting that the federal reserve actually buy that debt like it did for wall street but in this case that it buy that date and basically declare that debt null and void, which essentially means that the federal reserve would be expanding the money supply into the hands of young people so that they can spend it into the economy instead of having to pay back the loans with their hard earned dollars, they know own their hard earned dollars. >> so let me make sure that we understand. so the federal reserve would buy the debt. so they would expire the debt, whatever the accounting equivalent is.
we're talking about $1.3 or so trillion dollars. and you're saying they would take that amount of money in new currency and give it to the people who held the loans? >> no, i'm saying they basically cancel the loans which is like giving -- it's almost like giving students money. they don't actually give them money. this means instead of -- >> so they retire the entire debt. you have to go to congress and say here's why i think we should expand the debt by $1.3 trillion -- >> but, chris, i think we need to make a corrective. quantitative easing was the creation of money. they created money and handed that money to the banks at the tune of $85 billion a month. let me say that one more time. $85 billion a month. so if there's mechanisms that can be found to basically prop up the banks, why can't the american people get propped up once in a while?
>> it's a legitimate question. it's a legitimate question. believe me, i take no pleasure of being the person who has to check the idea of removing student debt. but that, unfortunately, is the job. i don't know if it's the best political imperative. >> congress could also be asked to come up with the money. there's another way to do this. the federal reserve doesn't need the permission of congress. this is an act that the federal reserve can take on its own. yes, we would sort of owe that money to ourselves, but as a nation, we have the capacity to do that. we can decide to spend money on ourselves and in particular we can decide to spend money on our younger generation who currently
does not have a future. who is more worth spending money on than our younger generation? >> let's get another question from the audience. this is maria christina garcia, a u.s. army veteran. she now works as a veteran's outreach coordinator. she does not know who she's voting for yet. what is your question? >> good evening. thank you for being here. dr. stein, i have a little concern. i know you're advocating for boycotting israel. i just want to know why do you single out israel, being that they are a democratic ally to us, where why don't you do the same for other middle eastern states, many of which are committing horrific crimes and abuse of people. >> let me reassure you, maria, that's exactly what we are doing. i've been very careful to avoid that pitfall of targeting
israel. and what we say is that we are turning over a new chapter because we ourselves have been as guilty of this as any of our allies. but what we would say under a green station, if we turned the white house into a greenhouse, what we're saying is that our foreign policy will be based on international law and human rights. so when we say to israel that we will not continue to give you $8 million a day when the israeli army is occupying territory in palestine, conducting home demolitions and assassinations and things of that sort that are recognized by the u.n., we're not going to do it for the saudis either. they don't get a pass whatsoever, nor for that matter does egypt get a pass with their incredible human rights violations.
we're giving them not as much but giving them billions of dollars. >> have you advocated to boycott saudi arabia? >> yes, absolutely. that's right. >> and israel is not saudi arabia or egypt. it certainly occupy as special alliance with the united states and supporters would argue faces an existential threat that others do not. so do you see israel as being a special ally and in a unique defensive position in that part of the world? >> well, you know, i happen to be of jewish origin so, yes, i have a special connection to israel and i have family members who are living there part time, but, you know, i don't think we are doing israel a favor by condoning a policy that makes israel very insecure, that makes israel the target of hostility from its neighbors. and, in fact, the current, you know, government of israel, the netanyahu government, has a
sponsor from someone, a casino magnate living here in the u.s. who is funding and supporting a very aggressive and hostile policy, he's not even living there. i don't think that's good for someone to be influencing israel's policy when they don't have to live with the consequences. >> from a starting position -- i understand you have family relations there. but do you believe that as a state israel has a preference as an ally that saudi arabia and egypt does not? do you believe they're a special ally? yes or no? >> i believe all of our allies are special allies. israel and all of them. we are all members of the human family. i think we have responsibilities to everyone to create a world that works for all of us. and by sponsoring a very hostile military policy that violates international law, that doesn't do us any favors.
there are people in israel who are really working for human rights, who are actually building community with the palestinians. there are human rights groups that are building trust, that are building community and that are building confidence. these are the groups that we need to be lifting up to create a middle east that's going to work for everyone. >> let me get another question in here. lacy dickinson, a project manager from philadelphia, she co-founded a social media company called feminist news. she says she's voting for you in november. what's your question? >> good evening. as everyone knows, the black lives matter movement has raised a lot of awareness around violence that's been committed against people of color. it's also exposed a great incompetence in many local police forces what do you think the role of the federal government should be in kind of structuring and working with local forces and how would you
work to ensure that officers are brought to justice who kill citizens? >> great. thank you. really critical question. very much the question of the hour. when we're seeing a new tragedy unfold almost on a daily basis. so this a crisis and it's very much related, i think, to an ongoing crisis of racial injustice that really has been kind of a continuing legacy from the criminal institution of slavery on which this country was founded, from slavery from lynchings to jim crow to segregation, mass incarceration, the war on drugs and now police violence. so we have a deep problem here. i want to suggest a couple of things we need to do. some of them are focused and some of them are very big. number one, we need to ensure that every community has a civilian review board so that
communities are in charge of their police instead of having police in charge of their communities for starters. we need to ensure that every community has access to an independent investigator, so it doesn't require an act of god in washington, d.c. and the department of justice to find out what happened. i think any death at the hands of police needs to be investigated. and then on the big end, we're calling for a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can actually understand what is this living legacy of fear, of racism, of incredible racial bias that the police violence is just the tip. iceberg because we have bias in our judicial system, in our prison system, you know, which is mass incarceration largely for people of color, an economy where the average
african-american family has 5 cents of wealth on the dollar that an average caucasian family has just through the cumulative impact of economic bias and unfairness. incredible health disparities. seven years off the average life span of someone just for living while black. there are incredible just disparities and violence, economic violence, social violence that has to be dealt with. we're calling for this truth and reconciliation commission so we can share our stories, we can share music, art, have a facilitated conversation that our campaign hopes to help engender so that we can come to terms with who we are as human beings and overcome this legacy that's dividing us. >> mr. baraka, i want you to way in on this. i've read a lot of what you've
had to say about this. there is a preconception right now that this problem begins and ends with police in high-profile cases. you know when you look at policing, certain things are clear. one, there's certainly room for improvement. nobody is going to argue on the other side of that and be reasonable. but this is not a big percentage of policing. and it seems like the focus on bad policing winds of overshadowing all of these other issues that are going on in these communities where you do have very high crime rates and why you have high crime rates and why you have such a high number of exchanges with police in those communities and what the opportunities and educations and family stability issues are. do you believe that that's doing a disservice that while the black lives matter movement and others like it are well intentioned to a certain degree to want to bring attention to it, you don't talk about those issues and you just talk about police, you're not only
exaggerating a problem but you're also refusing to discuss what the real root issues are. >> the real root issue is the issue of oppression, systemic oppression. think the courageous activity of our young folk bringing attention to the war being waged against black people and brown people and native people in this country is the kind of attention we have to have. basically we have the consequences of oppression but what we are dealing with now on almost a daily basis is the consequences of individuals, departments with the power of being able to use legitimate violence using violence against their own citizens. so we have a situation where a war is being waged against black people in this country, and basically what we have to do is call attention to that. so the other issues are important. they aren't connected. we're talking about a system of
oppression with the police being the front line of that oppression. so we have to talk about that. we can't evade it, we can't erase it, we have to deal with it. why do we have the kind of policing we have in these black communities? because we have colonized territories where basically the police are acting like a military force, they're behaving like a military force because you are policing basically a population that at this point in history is almost superfluous. in the larger economy, we've become the problem people that the voice talked about. the way you deal with a problem people now, you police them, you incarcerate them, you kill them. so that is the major contradiction right now that we have to deal with. and the american people have to deal with this because, you know, the people are not going to allow themselves to be oppressed like that in that way. they're going to struggle,
struggle relentlessly. >> let's take a moment here because this is an introduction to a much larger audience than is used to getting exposure to the green party ticket. let's get some personal information out there. i will start with you.. we were talking before. i'm not going to ask you to say it. but i will say that you used to -- you play instruments and you used to be the lead singer in a band called somebody's sister. and you do have a beautiful voice. so tell us about that in your life. i'm not going to ask you to sing but tell us about singing in your life, what it meant to you. >> singing and music, i have to say, just gave me incredible courage to do everything else in my life. it was really kind of a foundation for me that connected me to people and communities and just kind of our higher selves and it gave me a sense of the
infinite potential that we have to, you know, to sort of choose our existence, to make our existence something very special, powerful, mysterious and for me that energy carries on. i don't get to play music very much these days and i'm so out of shape, i wouldn't inflict it on anybody but, you know, for me it's just a constant source of inspiration. >> have you heard somebody's sister? >> not yet but i'm going to check it out. >> you have a treat coming your way, my friend. let me tell you that right now. ajamu baraka, you have achieved something very difficult in this age. it is very difficult to find any information about you on the internet. i'm able to find what you've written about, where you've
traveled but i don't know much about you as a person. what do you want me to know? >> i'm a father, a grandfather, i have four wonderful children, all adults. i have 16 grandchildren and i'm a pretty boring person. basically, that's why there's not that much out there. i like spending time with my family. i have a very special person in my life now, a significant other who is a revolutionary like myself and we -- our life basically is the struggle. it's being with people with like mind. being with people who believe in the possibility of a new world. so, you know, i read and hang out and just try to enjoy life and be with my family. >> let me ask one more question. a hero, huge concept, takes on a lot of different applications in
our culture. when you think about a personal hero to you, who comes to mind? >> martin luther king. >> kills you that i asked her first because now you can't go there. >> i have someone from that same time. fanny lou haimen. >> tell people about why. >> fanny lou haimen was a woman from a black plantation in mississippi. didn't have formal education but she had a spirit of resistance and she became a leader, and she was famous for going to the democratic convention in 1964 and demanding with other members of the mississippi freedom democratic party to sit in place of the mississippi democratic party because they said the party from mississippi was illegal and that the real representatives were the black
masters and other progressive whites in mississippi. and they were denied of course and johnson tried to eliminate her in florence, but she was a hero to millions of people around the world. she's my hero. >> dr. jill stein, mr. ajamu baraka, thank you for taking the time for this opportunity. special thanks to our audience here .to you at home. that is it for the cnn green party town hall. time now for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. thank you very much, mr. cuomo. you just heard green party nominee jill stein and her running mate ajamu baraka lay out their political case. i want to begin with breaking news out of rio. two u.s. olympic swimmers pulled on their plane tonight bound home from brazilian authorities
after questions were raised about their account of being robbed along with teammates ryan lochte and james feigen. nick, i'm going to start with you. this story is getting more bizarre by the moment. what do we know about these latest developments? >> reporter: it is absolutely extraordinary, don. now we are facing two american athletes part of a team at the top of the medals table now it seems taken off the plane to some degree. the phraseology from the u.s. olympic committee, two members of the four swimmers who said they were robbed who didn't give statements to the police, that they have been, quote, removed from their flights by the united states by brazilian authority. they say they're looking for extra information. that is quite remarkable. earlier on we heard a rio judge issued a search and seizure
warrant for ryan lochte and ryan feigen. they hadn't been clear about how many robbers had taken valuables from them and whether they were surprised by them. the judge had seen some cctv footage that they arrived home and didn't seem shaken which led her to believe something was amiss. this is because police believe they're missing evidence or information. now the remaining two individuals are stopped from leaving the country. part of the court order was to remove the passports of ryan lochte and james feigen. you have to bear in mind here, we spoke the to ryan lochte's lawyer.
he says ever since ryan lochte has been asked to cooperate, he spoke to the fbi, the tourist police, anybody who has been willing. he continues to be quartive. he only left the country as these warrants were issued. he hasn't even received a request for if further cooperation says the lawyer at this point. nobody is suggesting he's done anything wrong at this stage, but we are dealing with a huge number of questions about this night. just to recap, supposedly, according to the first account we heard, they left a nightclub in the early hours of sunday morning. they were pulled over in their taxi by men dressed as police who were armed. they were robbed. the big thing that aroused suspicion, according to police here and many brazilians who saw this incident play out, high ro file as it was, was that these men were robbed by armed individuals but appeared to escape with their cell phone ask their credentials. if you look at the cctv of them getting home, it appears they got home with a lot of high-value items as well. anyone in brazil knows those are the target of any armed robber.
the question really is what's going on. and it's bloomed now. it's exploded from being simply a piece of paper handed to try and get ryan lochte who left the country and jeff feigen who may not have left the country yet to talk to police further. and having two high profile athletes taken off their plane prevented from going home. >> if two of the swimmers were pulled from the plane, where is the fourth swimmer? where is jimmy fashionen? >> it's a great question, done. we have been told and we are reporting that he is in rio. they have not disclosed his whereabouts. obviously the other two today tried to get on a plane and we now know what happened to them. this, as nick said, this has escalated into a stunning story. the u.s. olympic committee is also not in control of this. and ryan lochte is home. if there are inconsistencies and apparently there are, the
question is going to come back to ryan lochte, here are your three friends who are stuck now in rio. you're home safe and sound. will ryan lochte now face pressure to have to speak out and say if something is different, if the story must change. i don't know. it is a stunning story that has taken over these olympic games. and exactly what the u.s. does not want to have happen. the u.s. wants to tread lightly in an olympics, win medals but not cause trouble. and, oh, my goodness, this is the exact thing the u.s. olympic committee, the usa swimming, no one wanted this to happen. they have a nightmare on their hands. >> what does this mean internationally. one is here at home. the olympic committee didn't
want it, the government didn't want it. what does this mean on an intrshl level? >> i'll take that wuven first. one of the things with an olympic game, you want to get along. with all of the questions going in as we all know about brazil and the issues of crime, if there was no crime committed, we don't know, ryan lochte said a gun was to his head early sunday morning, if that didn't happen, we can't begin to think of the consequences. there's so many questions we don't yet have the answers to but this is just, as i said, a nightmare scenario for the united states for the u.s. olympic committee and for these swimmers. >> ryan lochte said he was held at gun point and on and on and on. we're going to continue to follow this. thank you, christine. thank you nick payton walsh. two swimmers competing in the
olympics removed from an airplane. one is still in brazil. that makes three of them still there. two of them are being held by authorities and then ryan lochte, the most famous of the four of them back here in the united states. again, we'll continue to follow. i want to turn to politics. donald trump shaking up his campaign today hiring steve bannon and the man called the most dangerous political operative in america as a ceo. here to discuss that is mark preston, sara murray and jack johns. what a turn of events, just 80 some days out from the convention. so trump's poll numbers are sinking now. this is a big shake-up. what can you tell us how all this came down, sara? >> we know donald trump loves the polls. it's not new to him he's lagging behind in them. he paid close attention to that. he had frustration this was not the type of campaign he wanted to run. he felt he had one foot in the outsider lane and one foot trying to please the
establishment. he wasn't doing either of those well. those frustrations hit a boiling point over the weekend and earlier this week and that's when we saw him bring on steve bannon and elevate kellyanne conway who is an adviser and a pollster. now she's the campaign manager. effectively pushed paul manafort to the side last night. >> she sat right there last night. >> yeah, yeah. so it's going to be interesting to see how this works out. some are saying this means donald trump will go back to basics, we'll get these big raucous rallies. kellyanne was much more measured saying we want to see him talk about policy, talk about obama care and about isis but this election is not a referendum about donald trump. there's hillary clinton on the ballot. if you want change, you vote for trump, not for clinton. that's difficult to prosecute when so many have developed opinions about trump.
>> how many conversations have we had about paul manafort? they said oh, he fired corey lewandowski. they put out a press release, "this is an exciting day for team trump." victory in november. so how does this work? >> it all depends on who you talk to. a lot of people think he has been entirely pushed aside and won't be involved at all. i think he'll have some kind of involvement, i don't think we know exactly what that involvement is. clearly the keys of the car have been handed to steve bannon to drive it. kellyanne, who is on our air often and we've known her for years, is being called the campaign manager. >> she's good with numbers and demographics. >> she's a good pollster and she's well liked within the democratic movement. they know kellyanne, they know
she's even handed and cool tempered. that will be her role. steve bannon, who has never run a campaign, is taking over the whole campaign. it's not a glorious job, it is a difficult job. >> is he taking over because one of the surrogates said it's just a ceo sort of figure head to watch the whole thing. >> absolutely not. not with the days remaining in the campaign so short. what someone in the campaign explained today is the bottom line is we didn't have the structure beforehand, we didn't have somebody running the campaign, paul manafort really took over that responsibility, we needed someone else to do it. the question is, you bring somebody in who doesn't have that kind of experience -- >> paul manafort was sort of the message man. all right the the joe, joe johnson, i want to bring you in now. you covered a hillary clinton rally today. what did she have to say about it? >> it's clear the campaign's taking advantage of this, don. quite frankly the campaign manager got on the conference call with reporters this afternoon accusing donald trump
of small, nasty and divisive instincts in bringing on his new chief executive. hillary clinton took the stage here not long after that, walked to the microphone and lit into donald trump again. listen. >> and for anyone waiting for donald trump to suddenly become more responsible, remember what a great american, maya angelou, said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them. and i think it's fair to say that donald trump has shown us who he is. >> so donald trump getting hit for going to the right in this situation and hillary clinton doing everything she can to continue defining him in the space that he created, more or less, with some of his more
incendiary comments, especially during the primaries, don. >> mark preston, who is happy about this change and who isn't happy about it? >> i'm sure corey lewandowski is happy about it, right? listen, is anyone happy when you're making a change in the campaign so close to election day? what is surprising is you see it back to back within 60 days. >> this late -- >> yeah, 75, 80 days to election day. it's troubling. >> does this help move the needle with women, minorities, college educated women? any of the women he's struggling with? >> i think the bonus might be kellyanne conway being on the plane because she can filter the things that donald trump says or is doing and sort of nudge him or guide him in the direction he
might need to go. but you get back to the situation where if you've been watching someone on television for the last year and a half, which feels like about as long as i've been covering those campaigns, it's hard to move those feelings you already have about a candidate. it's going to be hard to move an opinion someone has about donald trump in the remaining 80 days. >> when you are a personal like donald trump that, is a personality like none other, it's very difficult to really change someone's direction and how they address things and how they pursue. >> we saw the video coming out today him meeting with his national security advisers today. how did that go? what can you tell bus. at rump tower in the same, by the way, the same conference room that he does interviews. >> you know, donald trump was almost on track to be on message for three straight days. he was talking on isis on money, he did a law enforcement speech on tuesday, today was supposed
to be the security round table. instead, he added a campaign shake-up in the middle of that. i think donald trump is listen to people who are more informed on these issues. it's going to be pivotal ahead of these debates to make sure that trump goes into them informed. not that he knows every tiny detail but that he can speak. in a way that makes people trust him on security. you get deeper into that when you talk about general election and primary debates. i ran into general flynn as he was leaving today. he had their classified briefing together. he said it was very professional. so we will see how much of that sort of seeps in and how much of that carries over to the debate stage. >> joe, i have to ask you this quickly. how does the clinton campaign prepare ford an john slight of breitbart-style attacks coming their way, no doubt? >> they're pretty prepared. i can tell you every single thing that goes across the transom, there is a possibility
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them all in. what do you think of that. >> look at that, you're getting a plug in already. you sound like trump, i had ton of people, it was yuge. >> tons! >> what do you make of it? change in had leadership for his campaign. >> you know, i'll leave that to you guys. you know, there's the criticism he doesn't talk about issues. look, i'm the smaller -- i'm getting the issue plug in here. i'm the smaller government guy, i'm the personal liberty and freedom and people making choices and then when we intervene militarily, when we support regime change, it really has a negative consequence. >> i know you said you'll leave it to us, but if i can ask you one more question -- >> you can ask me as many as you want. this is your show. >> steve, thank you very much. i'm glad you realize that. some people come on and they
don't. steve bannon is a win at all costs kind of guy. is that what you think we need the in the presidential rate race right now? >> well, what we're trying to sell, bill weld and myself, are two former republican governors that served two terms each in heavily democrat states by being fiscally conservative and socially inclusive. that's -- you know, i think this whole campaign, this whole presidential race is just desperate for some issues and i'd like to think straight talk and that's true and that's honesty and, you know what? i think it's missing. of course, that bears itself out in the polls that these two candidates are so polarizing. >> let's talk about the polls and talk about getting your message out. the polls have you in the high single digits, which is not a bad place to be. you're getting pretty close. you're 9% in the recent bloomberg poll. 7% in the monmouth university ol.
the reason i mention that is because we're just less than three months to the election. what do you think can you do to boost your support before then? >> you know, don, the numbers are doubling about every three weeks right now and the presidential debate commission did identify the five polls they're going to look at. in those five polls were actually their last numbers we were at 10. if you just look at the analytics, which have us reaching 25 million people social media-wise it, looks really good that we will attain that 15%. and then in the last couple of days raising about $3 million, you know, that's a real opportunity to actually inform the 70% of americans that don't even know we're in the race at all. >> so 15%, that thresh had hold, that's the threshold you need to get to the debate stage. do you think you'll make it? >> well, i'll tell you, we'd be
at 20% right now if we were at the top line in any of these polls. the top lines are trump and clinton and johnson is a couple of questions down and then 99% of media just reports the top line. if we were on the top line, don, tomorrow, it would be 20% and a lot of that would have to do with just how discontented everybody is with those two candidates. but bill weld and myself, libertarian nominee for president, we're the only third party that will be on the ballot in all 50 states. >> mark preston is the polls guy. what do you make of what he said? he wants to be on the top line to get 20%. >> the way polls are done, too, is scientifically -- it's not necessarily when a pollster calls and for our viewers out there who have received telephone calls, they don't necessarily say donald trump or hillary clinton first. it would be a random order of sampling. but i think to the governor's point, i think his frustration lies in the fact that he doesn't
think the media has done a good enough job highlighting what his position are or what governor weld's positions are or even tonight on where we saw the green party candidates on trying on talk about their vision. i was just wondering what gary johnson thought, if he saw. >> i'm just wondering, do you think the green party and the libertarian party, do you think they're canceling each other out somewhat? >> i think there's probably a discontent within the country that there are some folks would could be supportive of either/or party. but in the end, i don't necessarily think they're canceling each other out. >> what did you want to ask the governor? >> i just wondered if governor johnson got a chance to see tonight's green party town hall and what his thoughts were on what jill stein and her running mate had to say tonight. >> you know, my thoughts -- i'm not trying to kiss up here, but cnn, hey, thanks for having the green party on and thanks for giving us a couple of town halls. you know what? i'm not so frustrated about this whole thing.
i'm really optimistic that we will be in the debates and as crazy as this campaign season is, i might be the next president of the united states and you guys, hey, thanks for spicing this up a little bit. >> stranger things have happened. >> you're going to be able to say that, hey, we had him on, we had him on early and, you know -- >> you're going to invite don lemon to the first state dinner. >> this has been such a whacky election season, who knows, anything can happen, even right now. >> all right, all right. you heard it first. don lemon. >> let me ask you the same question. do you worry that the libertarian and the green party are maybe cancelling each other out? >> no, i don't think so at all. i really, you know, we're drawing pretty much equally from both sides. i see that going all the way to the election. a wasted vote is voting for somebody that you don't believe in. if you don't vote your conscience, shame on you and, you know, i think maybe six weeks from now you'll be talking
about is voting for trump a wasted vote? is voting for clinton a wasted vote given that gary johnson has risen so far, so fast. >> very presidential. >> i know, that was very presidential. thank you. hey, listen, you're a good guy. i like your attitude. thank you very much, governor. >> when we come right back, some conservatives are cheering donald trump's campaign shake-up. others not so much. we'll hear from both sides. you're that guy who switched to sprint. sprint's network reliability is now within 1% of verizon. and sprint saves you 50% on most national carrier rates. can you hear that? don't let a 1% difference cost you twice as much. switch to sprint today.
what do leading conservatives think about donald trump's campaign overall? two of them are with me tonight. bill crystal and matt schlapp. gentlemen, good to have both of you on. matt, i'm going to start with you. good evening, by the way. big shake-up today by hiring stephen bannon. you say it's an excellent idea. why? >> i think kellyanne conway and stephen bannon is a great move. steve bannon, this is someone
who really understands 21st century digital media. he's bit a built of an empire of the right online and he understands its importance. he understands how important it is to get messages out in a crisp, clear fashion and i think it's exactly what the trump campaign needs. i think we all know, all of us supporting him know what he needs to do from a message perspective. the question is are they going to actually start doing it. >> interesting. to trump's speech last night, matt, reading prepared remarks from a teleprompter, went very well with conservatives. but sources tell cnn we should expect to see more big rallies, less teleprompter. is it -- that's the environment where trump, his off-the-cuff
style gets him into trouble, right? >> i guess i could pick either one as to which is preferred. i don't think that's what the let be trump thing is all about. what i would love to see, when he really popped and made the most favorable impress with voters is when he went out there with his kids around, quite honestly. whenever one of his children is with him at an event, they explain things that it's hard r clearly for the candidate to do. his greatest achievements are those children and i would encourage them to continue to use the kids as they go forward. it's only a couple of months and i think it puts their father in the best possible light. >> so, described by steven haze says this. this is enpart. a campaign over hall means he's choosing to live in the alternate reality that breitbart
creates for him and everyone who questions him is an idiot or a traitor. and house speaker paul riis an problem with modern conservatism where polls that find him down are fixed where immigration and trade are the nation's most pressing issues and where truly trump alone can fix it all. you should say how you really feel. you think that he reinforced his bad habit? >> yeah, he's hired like a mini me. it's probably too late now, hone honestly. 62% of the american people disapprove of him. and let the kids come on stage, maybe. but people are electing a president, not somebody whose kids happen to like him. banm runs this breitbart news. this was the one that -- and he won by 84 to 16.
this says all the polls that you see that cnn does and wall street journal that show trump down, all phoney, all rigged. so, trump decided to get someone who would be a yes man and reinforce his worst instincts and it's been successful financially for breitbart news. >> you've had your run ins. you've got name calling. a headline once called you a republican spoiler, renegade jew. >> isn't that interesting? i didn't react much to the renegade jew thing. i think it's disgusting. we have plenty of debates on the right as we do on the left but we don't often attack people because of their religion and are ridicule them. and why was i a renegade jew? because i didn't realize unless
donald trump was electelected, state of israel is in serious trouble. if you're not agreeing with that, that was steven bannem's headline. because they're doing great financially. you put that headline up, you get a lot of traffic. is that the kind of person you want running a presidential campaign? >> when people say donald trump and maybe some of his allies throw out these charges and use inappropriate language. and i think that's over the line too what hayes says. a lot of us have been wrong in our predictions. it's been a heck of a strange year in politics. we're all conservatives. we're all republicans most of us. you expect donald trump -- that's fair. >> i don't ask for any grace. i don't go around attacking people on the basis of their religion or their race.
>> when i read here, i didn't hear any name collaring. he says anyone who questions him is an idiot or a traitor ertrai. you have seen the bombastic headlines from breitbart. >> i think the weekly standard has to be honest that they've been wrong in a ton of their predictions and the fact is like it or don't like it -- >> he's not hiring me as his campaign manager, thank god. >> i think you did a good job for dan quail. you're talented person. this is about this campaign in the last 30 three months and what it needs to do. and i think somebody who understands digital media as they move the to the advertising portion, somebody who understands the idea of getting your message and somebody who can talk to donald trump and he
will listen to is critical. i think every person who supports donald trump should look at these changes as nothing but positive. >> steve banem and kelly anne has been involved in campaigns at a high level. any concerns at how this is going to work in practice? >> it's going to be great. manefort will get the putin point and the fella from breitbart is going to talk about how its fun to insult people for their religion and whip up -- >> butinsults. >> you're being silly. is manefo are, t work for putin's guy or not? >> the charges you want to make, that's very fair but i don't think this -- if you're going to
throw out these things about these people -- >> do you defend what trump said? about mr. khan? >> i'm going to defend the fact that steve and kelly ann are going to help this campaign and i would like to see our coverage be about these issues. i think that's the right thing to do. let's talk about the differences between donald trump and hillary clinton for the next three months. >> there is some worry that banem is going to dig up every coffin for the debates with clinton. is there going to be a rehashing of all the attacks on the clintons from the 1990s? i think that's the concern. >> i think that's a big mistake. i think this is about the fact that washington is broken. our economy needs to get revving again and we have this fight with islamic terror and hillary clinton is corrupt and not capable of fixing these
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