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early hours of sunday morning. american swimmers jack conger and gunnar bentz pulled off their plane and ordered no the to leave rio. the olympic duo detained after a brazilian judge ordered them to give statements because of discrepancies in stories that they were robbed sunday night. just hours after the alleged incident, lochte told nbc news -- >> they told the other swimmers to get down on the ground. they got down on the ground. i refused. i was like, we didn't do anything wrong. so i'm not getting down on the ground. then the guy pulled out his gun. he cocked it, put it to my forehead, and told me to get down on the ground. i put my hands on my head and was like whatever. >> reporter: lochte is now back in the u.s., unlike his
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teammate, now conceding to nbc last night that his initial statement was a dramatic mischaracterization of what happened. the surveillance video obtained by "the daily mail" shows the swimmers returning to the olympic village just before 7:00 a.m. on sunday morning. the judge says it shows them seemingly unshaken and joking around after the alleged robbery. lochte's lawyer tells cnn that video shows me nothing, it shows guys coming home at 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning and shows me they're happy that they're alive. among the inconsistencies, the judge says lochte told police there was one robber while feigen says there were more. brazilian police are now asking their taxi driver to come forward to verify their claims. >> all right, nic. this is really a startling series of events that came out of what seemed like a very obvious situation. now, helping the notion of these guys may have been robbed is
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what happened overnight. another athlete has come forward saying they were a victim of a theft at the games as well. obviously one has nothing to do with the other. everybody who knows anything about rio knows there is a lot of this type of crime, but what's your take at this point? >> reporter: well, a british athlete's come forward and said they were also robbed. unclear if it was at gunpoint. we've been hearing these accounts for the last months, frankly, as athletes began to arrive. this is a city with a serious petty crime problem. they put a gridlock down here of military protecting copacabana. it's a bubble. but if you venture out, this is rio. bad things could happen. somehow, the way the story has been handled and the reaction of brazilian authorities, who have a slight role to play here in trying to reassure people there aren't men disguised as police officers running around robbing people at gunpoint.
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the brazilian authorities have been quite so stringent in their reaction. we now have these two conflicting accounts. >> so the question will be if what the swimmers say happened didn't happen, what did happen? we'll continue to cover this throughout the morning as we get more information. let's turn now to the 2016 race. with just 82 days to go until election day, donald trump hoping to turn around his campaign with these new leadership changes. one thing is clear, trump will be doing it his way. cnn's sarah murray joins us with more. a lot has been happening in the past 24 hours. >> absolutely right. donald trump felt like it was time for him to make a chaung. he's reshuffling his top aides, but not everyone is convinced this is the change drurp needs to dramatically turn around his standing in the polls. >> the advice i would give him is to be authentic because that's what americans appreciate. >> reporter: donald trump's new campaign manager kellyanne conway suggesting trump is going back to basics.
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>> people do want change. they are tired of the corrupt system. >> reporter: and play managing outsider persona and bombastic style that catapulted him to the nomination, instead of sticking to the script to appease the republican establishment. sources tell cnn that trump has grown frustrated with the direction of his campaign, that he believes he still has a chance to win, but if he loses, he wants it to be on his terms. >> you have with donald trump a who wants to be true to himself. that got him through primary process, by being true to himself. >> reporter: but some establishment republicans are wary that the appointment of combative breitbart executive stephen bannon, will help turn polls around. >> the trump people want to know, for unity, are you not prepared to give up what they backed you on from the beginning? when they hear paul ryan talking unity, what they feel is going
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to be a collapse of what you ran on and a collapse of what they backed you on. >> my folks have absolutely nothing to worry about. that's the way it is. i mean, i won in landslides based on what i was saying and based on my ideas and themes and my statements, my policies. so i'm not going to go into a room and go right back to the old stuff that's not working. >> reporter: as some gop officials urge the rnc to abandon trump and shift resources to down ticket races, others warn that the party needs to continue supporting trump in order to hang on to vulnerable republican seats in congress. all as hillary clinton appears to relish her rival's latest reset, insisting it won't change his fortunes in november. >> he can hire and fire anybody he wants from his campaign, but he is still the same man who insults gold star families, demeans women, mocks people with disabilities, and thinks he knows more about isis than our
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generals. >> now, even though some sources say this change is going to mean donald trump sis unleashed, he' even more bombastic than he has been the last couple months, kellyanne conway is adding a note to that, saying she still wants to see donald trump talk about policy. so this may not be the end of teleprompter trump. >> all right. why don't you just stay right where you are. let's bring in cnn political director david chalian, and commentator mark preston. everybody's had a chance to take a breath. the idea that bannon is coming in, breitbart is coming in as some type of new insurgent element to trump is a false premise, right? i mean, there's much reason to say that what trump is, what has been effective for trump, was born at breitbart. they were some of his early protectors. if anything, trump using the
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invective, using the insults has muddied the waters of what breitbart does very well, especially when bannon is on his game. >> i think the breitbart, you know, whole presentation of the campaign so far represents the values and the point of view of the fervent trump supporters we see show up at rallies. there's no doubt there's a nexus there. so i think -- >> outsider, kill the machine, republican and democrat, and take deep dives on who hillary clinton really is based on what she is and what she was. >> right. upend the establishment and take the fight to hillary clinton every day. that has been what breitbart has, the organization, has injected into the campaign. that is what donald trump sort of rode throughout the entire primary season. you're right that's not brand new. what is giving some people reason for saying, hey, let's watch what the impact of this will be, is because those aren't necessarily the things that you want to do at all costs, if anything else, 83 days out from
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the election. as sarah just put in a wise note of caution at the end from kellyanne conway, can't stress enough how happy all factions of the party were with donald trump's performance on monday and tuesday. very on message, law and order, national security speeches. >> but he seems them as a bunch of losers. >> but it's not just the establishment folks. he was on a message that could work for firing up the base as well as potentially bringing in some people from the middle. >> okay. given all that, that they were happy with the teleprompter, law and order speech, what is going to change now with bannon and kellyanne conway at the top? >> kellyanne conway is well known, well liked by the republican establishment. she understands analytics. could she perhaps be something who is going to be by donald trump's side day in and day out and perhaps try to rein him in? we know if he does it at a rally
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or on social media, he can go off the rails. that's what's concerning to establishment republicans and many people in his campaign who are used to running traditional campaig campaigns. having said that, it's not just bannon that we have to be looking at right now. there are two other folks that are part of this campaign, whether they're informal or formal. one of them is radiolooger aile former head of fox news, and roger stone, who's been with donald trump forever. these two gentlemen are hard hitters. bannon knows how to play hardball. what i don't think is that bannon is just going to go out there in a shotgun way and throw everything at hillary clinton. he's very smart. he's strategic. the question is what are the three or four things they're going to focus on. >> this is a home run for bannon. for breitbart, they have arrived. this is what they've wanted from their inception. not so much when bannon was with andrew, may he rest in peace.
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but now they've wanted a stake. they want to say, move over, you establishment people. >> and breitbart put out a very celebratory press release about steve bannon's new role yesterday, but this is why establishment republicans are nervous. when paul manafort was calling the shots, they felt secure at least paul was trying to nudge donald trump into this establishment lane. steve bannon isn't going to do that. or sis it going to be conspirac theory after conspiracy theory from a presidential candidate who was one of the original birthers. >> michael come hen, the trump executive vp of the trump organization, was on with brianna keilar on cnn yesterday. she was trying to ask him about the flagging poll numbers that have gone down for donald trump.
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michael cohen's response was basically ear muffs. so listen to this. watch this exchange. >> you say it's not a shake-up. but you guys are down. and it makes sense -- >> says who? >> polls, most of them, all of them. >> says who? >> polls. i just told you. i answered your question. >> okay. which polls? >> all of them. >> okay. >> i can't get enough of it. it's one of the great moments. >> of live television. i guess they're just going to ignore the polls and say, what polls? nothing to see. >> i'll tell you who's not ignoring the polls, donald trump. we know the candidate is completely obsessed with his poll numbers, by the way as most politicians are. we know how closely he reads and understands the polls. by the way, if the polls were going in another direction, i don't know that we would have
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seen the shake-up that we've seen this week. they're obviously making a change because it hasn't been going well. so obviously michael cohen is being a loyal lieutenant, a combatant -- >> willfully blind. >> yes. because you can't find polling right now -- a poll came out in the state of indiana where he's 11 points up. the clinton campaign is not really playing there. you can't find a poll in a state that he needs to win over to add to what mitt romney had where he's up right now. >> but in most cases, the margins are lean, sarah, right? 83 days out. 82 days out until the polls open. a lot of things can change, especially if this gamble, which is the negative baked in with hillary clinton already, or is there room to deep dive more on that. if that's true, if you can take more from her, trump just brought in the right guy to do it. >> and it's worth noting that when i talked to kellyanne
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conway about the polls yesterday, she had a bit more of a polished answer than we got from michael cohen, saying essentially we're not panicking because these are the numbers in august, not the numbers in october. she said if you look at hillary clinton's unfavorables, they're very high. obviously donald trump's are too. but if you look at the percentage of voters who want change in november, that's also very high. so this is our moment to sort of capitalize that. she was saying, we need to remind voters that this election is not a referendum on donald trump but this is a choice between donald trump and between hillary clinton. so if you truly are a change voter, their challenge is to make the case to them that trump is actually the better option. >> i think that's what's been so frustrating for people inside of the campaign. this is an argument kellyanne has been making all along. make it a referendum on hillary clinton. >> i think the biggest thing in a successful presidential campaign is a three-legged stool. the first leg is your base. you have to keep your base. the second leg is you have to
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keep those who are within the base but have a little bit of concern about you. then the third leg is the undecided voters. the problem for donald trump is that he hasn't convinced everybody within his party to be with him, and if he hasn't been there, he hasn't been able to get the undecided voters. >> panel, stick around. we need your wisdom in the next segment as well as we talk about hillary clinton coming up in our next hour. we'll be speaking with trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway. we have a lot of questions for her. in our 8:00 hour, we'll get insight from trump's former campaign manager, corey lewandowski. so how is hillary clinton going to deal with what trump's new strategy may be, and what will she give him in return? a little bit of con textext her more talk about the state department and the clinton foundation. well she loves to say,
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for anyone waiting for donald trump to suddenly become more responsible, remember what a great american, maya angelou, said. when someone shows you who they are, believe them. there is no new donald trump. this is it. >> that was hillary clinton blasting trump after his campaign shake-up. so how is she preparing for the onslaught of attacks about her past that trump is expected to now intensify? let's bring back our panel. we have david chalian, mark preston, and sarah murray. david, clearly the clinton campaign has been enjoying these past three weeks while donald trump has made some missteps. now things might get more serious with the addition of steve bannon from breitbart. what are they doing to prepare? >> i think the clinton campaign always believed they were going to be in a real brawl at some point in this campaign against
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donald trump. so i think now they are preparing for the fact that the fall might be that. take that whole bannon and breitbart mentality into it, and maybe some uncomfortable issues are going to start getting injected into the campaign the way they were hoping to avoid but not necessarily not prepariprepare ing for. in talking to folks in brooklyn, this is not completely unforeseen. that doesn't mean it's going to be any easier. >> also, it doesn't have to mean the low road. it doesn't have to mean ugly. you could argue that's what trump has been, but that's not what breitbart at its best -- there's no question as a frequent victim of that website, i can tell you they often go low and cheap. but at their best, mark preston, what she just said about maya angelou, is also true about her. somebody has shown you who they are. believe them. that is the narrative that trump, if he harnesses the power of the deep dive, is what they can do to hillary clinton. look at this foundation.
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it's never ended. it's always one after the other. that's what they could do. the question is would trump be disciplined enough to stay on that tact. >> to that point, i think in many ways, trump has muddled his own message from day one of the beginning of the general election campaign. instead of there being such a focus by republicans or by donald trump strictly on hillary clinton, it's been what is donald trump saying today? what is happening to his campaign? can you believe he made this comment? did you see what he did at that rally? which has created this whole white noise around the campaign, which is hard for the hillary clinton stuff to breakthrough. having said that, there's still a lot of days left in this campaign. if there's a focus, if there's a renewed focus by the new leadership of the campaign to focus on just a handful of issues, then this could be very effective. >> let's talk about some of those things that might dog hillary clinton and have thus far. that is, of course, the e-mails,
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but the substance of what was in the e-mails. there are these newly released documents obtained by citizens united, the right-wing conservative group, obtained by cnn. they purport to show a connection between these brothers and the state department and whether or not there was favoritism. so is that what -- is there a smoking gun there? >> i think the trick to prosecuting these attacks against hillary clinton is not to get into the weaves of which brothers got one and through which funnel. the point that donald trump needs to make if he wants to cast her as someone that's untrustworthy is this is pay to play, another example of the clintons playing by their own rules, whether it was at state department, whether it was at the clinton department, and just hammer home that case. obviously donald trump has shown that he's willing to play fast and loose with the facts. so it almost doesn't matter to
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him whether there's any there there. i think there's enough instances that will raise questions in people's minds and her numbers on trustworthiness are so bad already that if they decide they just want to hammer her on this, they certainly can bring her poll numbers down. >> also, there's something to look at here. we're talking about bringing in these new people and what the potential upside is. there's also a potential downside because breitbart has become such an enemy, not just of the electeds of the gop, but a lot of the conservative times don't like them either. eric ericson, put up the full screen on what he said. bannon coming on to the trump campaign is a doubling down on crazy. it means that the trump campaign has not really learned any lessons, does not recognize its message, is not a winning message, and is going to go out in a blaze of conspiracy theory and bitterness. you were saying he hasn't solidified his base yet either.
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you have people who want an outsider. okay, he's probably going to get most of them with his own party. but this group matters too. if they see this as him going full crazy to use ericson's word, that's a problem also. >> i think we have to be careful about extrapolating too much what we think donald trump will do day in and day out on the campaign trail because of staff changes at the top of his campaign. >> these are not ordinary staff. >> they are not. >> ailes isn't staff, but he's motivated. >> and by the way, part of this is to free donald trump up to do this as a more happy warrior than being constrainted and straight jacketed into a format at the campaign that doesn't make him comfortable. having a happy candidate matters. this is exactly what mark was getting at. we are not at the place -- donald trump is not yet at the place where the republican party is solidified enough that he can simply just add and get to 270
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electoral votes. he still has this double mission. he still has to get the republican party to a higher level of support for him and then add. usually you take care of the first thing, home field advantage, at the convention. he did not yet do that. that's still a mission for the fall. >> my favorite part of the eric ericson bite is the last sentence we omitted, which is, we are now moving beyond a dumpster fire. we're more at chernobyl. doesn't sound like it's going in the direction eric ericson wants it to go. >> and eric ericson is a never trumper in many ways. will you stop, you two? >> it was a slick move. she took my papers and now i don't know anything. >> eric ericson never liked trump. he was never going to support him anyway. it's not trying to get more conservatives, ultra conservatives to come to his side. it's to try to get all the republicans to come to his side. >> got it.
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panel, thank you for your wisdom. >> if i might. >> oh. >> still beautiful. all right. so we're covering a lot of news this morning, and it's not just politics. historic and catastrophic flooding still going on in southern illinois. this wasn't triggered by a hurricane, and yet it is being called the worst national disaster since superstorm sandy. this is louisiana. this has not been getting as much attention as when a big hurricane comes through, but it could last longer and be worse than what we've seen so far. we'll tell you why in a live report next. hhis stellar notebooks will last through june.
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the death toll keeps rising in southern louisiana. 13 people dead, but the catastrophic flood waters are starting to recede. the american red cross calls this the worst natural disaster in the u.s. since superstorm sandy. the costs could exceed $1 billion. critics say this disaster is not getting enough attention. cnn's rosa flores is live in
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livingston parish with more. what's the situation there, rosa? >> reporter: alisyn, good morning. you can see the mound of stuff mind me. this is what rebuilding looks like here in southern louisiana, as people begin to take all of the soaked stuff outside their home in their front lawns. you can see furniture, mattresses, housewares, you name it. but imagine this, communities like this one were a giant soup. all of this stuff was inside homes, outside, cars, and just stuff that people have just a giant soup that's four, five feet high. multiply that times 30,000, 40,000 homes. that's the situation that you have here in southern louisiana with thousands of people who are now homeless, living in shelters or living with family and friends. alisyn, like you mentioned, the death toll now at 13. the search and recovery
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continues here in southern louisiana. we're just hoping that number doesn't continue to go up. >> rosa, that mound behind you are people's belongings. they were in their homes last week, and it's just so telling of the loss there. rosa, thank you for the reporting. if you want to help the victims of the louisiana floods, you can go to cnn.com. we have ways for you to do it there. again, the people there sure need help, and they don't think they've gotten enough attention. it's impact for information. we'll remind you throughout the show. also remember, this is just the beginning. standing water can be there for weeks. let's get to the good news. the olympic games. another historic day for team usa. brianna rollins led the women's track and field team to victory. usain bolt got another shot today at winning his third gold medal. he'll be in the 200 this time. cnn sports anchor coy wire live in rio with more. coy, i love that picture of the three american members of the hurdles team, the women, jumping
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in the air with their american flags after taking one, two, and three. >> reporter: what a day. that's what it's all about, chris. i love that picture too. team usa. they added nine more medals yesterday and three of them came when history was made in the women's 100-meter hurdles. brianna rollins, as you mentioned, nia ali, kristi castlin taking gold, silver, and bronze respectively. the first olympic podium sweep ever in women's sprint hurdles. the best part is they're all best of friends off the track. the u.s. men's basketball team scorched argentina like a big, juicy steak. burned them by 27 points. they'd had three really close games, but the u.s. rolls in this one, extending their olympic win streak to 23 straight game, dating all the way back to 2004. next up for them, tough team from spain. it's the semifinals on friday. usain bolt going for his second rio gold today in the 200-meter
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final. he cruised through a semifinal yesterday. american justin gatlin didn't even advance. he won't even be in the final. this is likely bolt's last individual event of his olympic career. i'm thinking epic moment. we'll see if anybody can even come close to him today. new day, new medal count. team usa leads the way, 93 overall medals. china is in second with 54. great britain in third with 50. on tap today, american ashton eaton continuing his quest to repeat as the world's greatest athlete. he has a shot at back-to-back olympic golds today. >> coy, thank you so much for the update from rio. back to politics. he's been called the most dangerous operative in america. now he's donald trump's chief executive. who is steve bannon? we take a closer look next on "new day." everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas.
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america. why is that? let's bring in brian stelter. he's cnn's senior media correspondent. bill carter is our cnn media analyst and author of "the war for late night." great to have you here. why, brian, is the most dangerous political operative in america? >> he's figured out how to use media megaphones time and time again to make provocative and incendiary political points, whether that's conservative films supporting sarah palin or tearing down barack obama or more recently with breitbart, fostering some of the far-right impulses that we see on breitbart news. this is a man who knows how to use television and the web in new ways. >> so he's got a very interesting background. he's worn a lot of hats. he was a naval officer. he worked at goldman sachs. that let him into hollywood. he wound up by his own reckoning getting lucky, cutting a deal, where instead of taking a fee, he took some residuals from then a young show in its third season called "seinfeld." made him very wealthy. reagan got him into politics.
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since then, he started to form this new machine of using the media, which is always seen as being left to cater to the right message by giving them good information. at his best, at his best, what is he capable of? >> i think he's capable of being a great provocateur. i think he's able to harness an awful lot of anger that's out there in that part of the political universe and carry a message that resonates with that audience, that sort of white, nativist audience that's part of trump's really strong base. >> in some ways, you could call breitbart resentment news or grievance news. in some ways, the website is anti-media, even though it's obviously a media company. it presents itself as the alternative to everything else out there, even to the right of f fox. >> at its worst, it is fact challenged as well. >> challenged is actually kind of generous. >> it is. >> they make up narratives. they'll say we do the same
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thing. they make up narratives to take people down in the media who are working narratives they don't like. >> i don't mind an enterprising story. i mind when it's erroneous. they have done that. they notoriously will not apologize. for instance, case in point, one of their reporters misidentified the attorney general, loretta lynch, used a picture and identified them as having been the loretta lynch who represented the clintons during white water. that was false. when the embarrassed reporter -- because reporters don't want to get facts wrong, as we all know, went to steve bannon and said we have to issue a correction, here's the quote steve bannon told the reporter. the embarrassed reporter asked for time off. bannon allergic to any hint of concession. quote, i told him no. in fact, you're going to write a story every day this week. he shrugs, we're honey badgers. we don't give a blank. >> that's part of the, i think, selling point. they don't back up. they don't apologize. >> sounds a lot like a
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presidential candidate i know. >> who has never apologized. >> except they have very different takes on this. i keep saying at his best. anybody who follows the media knows. i understand breitbart well. i'm often a victim of it. that's part of the game. but at its best, he's a deep diver. for instance, another poll out from that piece, he sits at the nexus of what hillary clinton once dubbed the vast right-wing conspiracy. but this has mutated into something different. it's as eager to go off establishment republicans as democrats like clinton. >> that's one of the undercovered parts of this story. by bringing in steve bannon, it's also a knock against the paul ryans of the world. >> we used in italian gesture yesterday on the show. that's what bringing bannon is saying. the hard core guys don't like the move. >> reading this morning's "journal," trump hits reset
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button. how many dozens of times have we seen this headline? >> it's like that button from staples. >> it really is. but knowing steve bannon, knowing what he brings to the table, and he's only one of the new advisers. kellyanne conway, who's about to be on, is another. we're going to be even more rigorous about fact checking. it's not just about news on this site, it's about narratives. it's about narrative. >> i think it's going to be so much more aggressive. it's already been aggressive, but it's going to be so much more aggressive because that's the trademark of this guy. it's going to be hostile and aggressive. really a challenge for ryan and mcconnell. are they going to continue to sort of -- they've gone after them. breitbart has gone after them really hard before. >> except those two guys are vulnerable to breitbart as well. sometimes they give you something that's real. and that is if they take a deep dive on these narratives on hillary clinton and come up with new things, you know, as you
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were saying earlier, alisyn, these new documents that came out of citizens united. >> oh, i'm not saying they're always erroneous. anthony weiner, famously, breitbart was the first to break it. >> i worked with breitbart on anthony weiner story. they accused me of being too much of a wuss to run with it. that enticed me to look at his stuff more. >> the true story comes out. >> you talked about being a victim. i remember a story they wrote about me that i thought was 90% untrue, but there was 10% of truth. so the challenge, of course, is to be able to figure out what is fact and what is fiction in these stories. that's also true during this campaign. >> it's going to be a full-time job to fact check on both sides. brian, phil, thank you. >> the 10% in that story was stelter, the handsome, young rising star. all right. so if you are someone who does not like donald trump or hillary clinton, if you're one of these people who says, i wish i had a third choice, the green party
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green party presidential nominee jill stein and her running make ajamu baraka are coming with their own message last night, saying that two parties are not serving you right during the cnn green party town hall last night. we have the nominees joining us now. it's good to have you both with us. i know it was a short night for you, but was it a good night? what kind of feed back did you get? >> we've been getting great feedback. kudos to cnn for having us on. we were trending nur ining numb twitter throughout the town hall. i think that says something about the level of interest. we were talking about things that are begging to be discussed in this race. really the critical things going on in the lives of most americans. that is the crisis of race, the fact that we're at war, taking
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half of our discretionary budget, and that the younger generation is nowhere to be seen. they are missing in action because they have two hands tied behind their back in debt from college loans without a way to pay it back. >> the political reality will be, as you gain more attention, the idea of being a spoiler will become louder and louder. you had an interesting answer. you said, i can't sleep at night if it's trump, i can't sleep at night if it's clinton either. the audience was largely clapping. if it goes the way it is right now after november, you're not going to be getting a lot of sleep because it's going to be one or the other. do you think at some point you'll have a responsibility to say which of these two people do you think is less bad for the office in your opinion? >> you know, at this point what we're hearing overwhelmingly is that people are not happy with either candidate, neither the
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democrat nor the republican, and people are really clamoring for another option. i think right now the focus needs to be on having this discussion, on having an open debate. we need to be in that debate if we're going to talk about and solve the issues of race, war, and a generation in crisis. >> so what do you do, mr. baraka? the committee on presidential debates is its own independent body. they've come up with a standard, 15% in five national polls that they pick. that's what gives you a shot to get into the debates. in all likelihood at this point, let's say you get the cnn bump, let's say it doubles to ten. you don't get into the debates. then what? >> we take our message to the people, as always. we're building a bottom-up movement. so while we should be in the debate and we believe the american people will make that call, we will continue to go to the people, engage the people, talk about the future of this country. one of the things that we also
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saw last night that people responded to was the crisis of democracy. they're not buying this message that we are spoilers. they understand and believe that we have to have an open process. people want to have a voice. they want to have a -- they want to believe that they really count and their vote counts. we want to make sure that they have that opportunity. we're going to keep on going to the people, keep on organizing, and keep on telling people that they have agency. >> i understand that. i heard it. we hear it all over the country. but the reality is what it is. is that okay with you? if at the end of the day you build momentum, you build the party, you get more of a following, but it's not enough to win the election but it is enough to take away from the democrat and you wind up having donald trump as president. are you okay with that? >> no -- >> i know you're thinking that's not fair to put that on me. i understand. but this is the role that a
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third party often gets put in. >> yes, and i think people have had it with that kind of a rigged system that says there will only be two establishment choices while people get thrown under the bus. i don't think it's like the third party candidates that people are upset about it. people are really upset they don't have jobs, they don't have wages, that they are in debt, they can't afford their health care, and that be our resources are being drained into wars that are making us less secure, not more secure. so i think people are not going to rest easy with this. we're only beginning to see people mobilize. again, i really encourage people to go to our website, jill2016.com, and join our campaign for open debates. i think the discussion here has only just begun. and hold on to your hat. i think you're really going to see a mobilization like we haven't seen in a long time. >> what would it take in order for some of the ideas that you
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two are proposing to ever take root in washington, d.c.? they want to do nothing right now that is on the margins of giving advantage to either side. everything you're asking for is huge. erasing all student debt, the green new deal, getting to alternative power sources by 2030. highly ambitious. what would it ever take to make anything like that to happen? >> the power of the people. we say that it is in our hands. when we understand that we have that kind of power and we are prepared to organize and to push, then those ambitious goals become a reality. we believe that. we're seeing people make historic change. if when people understand that they have the ability to force the government to respond to them, when they understand that the government should, in fact, be reflective of their interests, then we all win. that's our goal. >> did you see any movement yet last night, into this morning, of people who are bernie sanders voters? that's obviously something that's a very keen interest to you. i saw cornell west there in the
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audience. he was very big for brother sanders, as he called him. now he's with your ticket. did you see any traction with sanders people? >> you know, mainly because it's been such a short night between when we finished and started this morning, but among the people who were there last night, it seemed like most of the people who were on the fence had moved over and were supporting our campaign. >> we were seeing a lot of those people percolating on social media. as you said, you're building a movement from the bottom up. this is a step. cnn believes it's part of its responsibility to give the players a fair shot. so you had it in the town hall last night. good luck to you going forward. >> thank you, chris. great to be with you. >> so did you watch last night? of course you did. but even if you just watched this segment now, what do you think? tweet us @newday or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. >> even i watched, and that's way past my bedtime. it was a great show. meanwhile, she's donald trump's new campaign manager,
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this is it. >> two american swimmers detained in rio. >> they pulled us over. they pulled out their guns. >>line lochte and three teammates say they were robbed at gunpoint. >> police believe they're missing evidence or information. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." first up, we have breaking news. two team usa swimmers pulled from their flight, prevented from leaving rio. why? brazilian police want to talk to them and star swimmer ryan lochte about the night they claim to have been robbed. >> there are inconsistencies emerging in their accounts. lochte is already back in the u.s. and changing some of his story. let's get to cnn's senior international correspondent nic peyton walsh with the latest. what have you learned? >> reporter: alisyn, it is just staggering how this international incident with people being pulled off planes as they try to head back to the united states really focuses itself around the small hours of
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sunday morning and the fairly normalcy of people leaving a nightclub here and sadly here in rio running into street crime that's so common here. american swimmers jack conger and gunnar bentz pulled off their plane and ordered no the to leave rio. the olympic duo detained after a brazilian judge ordered them to give statements because of discrepancies in stories that they were robbed sunday night. just hours after the alleged incident, lochte told nbc news -- >> they told the other swimmers to get down on the ground. they got down on the ground. i refused. i was like, we didn't do anything wrong. so i'm not getting down on the ground. then the guy pulled out his gun. he cocked it, put it to my forehead, and told me to get down on the ground. i put my hands on my head and
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was like whatever. >> reporter: lochte is now back in the u.s., unlike his teammates, now conceding to nbc last night that his initial statement was a dramatic mischaracterization of what happened. the surveillance video obtained by "the daily mail" shows the swimmers returning to the olympic village just before 7:00 a.m. on sunday morning. the judge says it shows them seemingly unshaken and joking around after the alleged robbery. lochte's lawyer tells cnn that video shows me nothing, it shows guys coming home at 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning and shows me they're happy that they're alive. among the inconsistencies, the judge says lochte told police there was one robber while feigen says there were more. brazilian police are now asking their taxi driver to come forward to verify their claims. brazilian authorities, it now seems, poring in minute detail over exactly when they left that
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nightclub, exactly when they got back to the olympic village. we've heard another claim of a british athlete coming forward, saying they were robbed. it's not clear if that was also at gunpoint. street crime is common here. what is strange is to see this international incident. brazil very keen to protect its image. doesn't like the idea of people dressing up as policemen and robbing people at gunpoint around here. at the same time, some strange inconsistencies from these four very high-profile athletes. remember, this is the team at the top of the medals table, and some of them have been prevented from leaving country. chris? >> extraordinary move, as you point out. the question becomes whether or not this is about embarrassment on behalf of the government, or do you have a flawed account. we're going to stay on this. nic, thank you very much. let's get to the 2016 race. donald trump hitting the reset button again, making sweeping changes to his campaign's top staff. one thing is clear, trump says he's going to be doing things his way. cnn's sarah murray joins us now with more. >> well, chris, donald trump definitely felt like it was time for a change, and that is why we
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saw him reshuffling his top aides this week. but not everyone is convinced this is the kund of change he needs to dramatically turn around his standing in the polls. >> the advice i would give him is to be authentic because that's what americans appreciate. >> reporter: donald trump's new campaign manager kellyanne conway suggesting trump is going back to basics. >> people do want change. they are tired of the corrupt system. >> reporter: and playing up the outsider persona and bombastic style that catapulted him to the nomination, instead of sticking to the script to appease the republican establishment. sources tell cnn that trump has grown frustrated with the direction of his campaign, that he believes he still has a chance to win, but if he loses, he wants it to be on his terms. >> you have with donald trump a who wants to be true to himself. that got him through primary process, by being true to himself. >> reporter: but some establishment republicans are wary that the appointment of combative breitbart executive
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stephen bannon, will help turn polls around. he's been characterized as the most dangerous political operative in america, something's trump's own campaign is now touting. >> the trump people want to know, for unity, are you not prepared to give up what they backed you on from the beginning? when they hear paul ryan talking unity, what they feel is going to be a collapse of what you ran on and a collapse of what they backed you on. >> my folks have absolutely nothing to worry about. that's the way it is. i mean, i won in landslides based on what i was saying and based on my ideas and themes and my statements, my policies. so i'm not going to go into a room and go right back to the old stuff that's not working. >> reporter: as some gop officials urge the rnc to abandon trump and shift resources to down ticket races, others warn that the party needs to continue supporting trump in order to hang on to vulnerable republican seats in congress.
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all as hillary clinton appears to relish her rival's latest reset, insisting it won't change his fortunes in november. >> he can hire and fire anybody he wants from his campaign, but he is still the same man who insults gold star families, demeans women, mocks people with disabilities, and thinks he knows more about isis than our generals. >> now, some sources say this change will mean donald trump is unleashed. we'll see even more of his bombastic personality. but kellyanne conway added a note of caution to that yesterday, saying she still wants to see her candidate focused on the issues, whether it's obamacare or how to battle isis. so this may not be the end of donald trump using that teleprompter. alisyn? >> sarah, guess who we have here with us right now. donald trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway. thank you for being here.
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>> my pleasure. >> what's new? you've had quite a 24 hours. >> we have, but it's been great. mr. trump is finding joy in the campaign trail, which is very important. you want a candidate who is having fun because the people show up at his rallies or speeches, they're there to connect. they're there because i think typical politicians like hillary clinton erect campaigns, but donald trump has built a movement. people feel included in that movement. people who have traveled with him for the first time, elected officials, are struck by the crowds, the enthusiasm. >> but had he not been having fun for the past three weeks? is that why you were called in? >> no, no. i'm certainly not the fun adviser. i can be the skunk at the garden party. ask mike pence. i give it to them straight. i think the campaigns are very grueling. these schedules, as you know, for all candidates of all parties are really very taxing. but what we would like to do is get him to continue to give
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speeches like the two we heard this week and that you're going to hear again very soon. monday, fighting radical islam, very specific, very solution centric. >> teleprompter based. >> teleprompter based. >> meaning stick to the message. >> what i would like him to do is let everyone get the benefit of his leadership. he scores very well in strong leader. that's what so many americans are starving for. when he delivers a speech in his own words, in his own delivery system, then people can actually focus on the content. i think that's what's so important. if we're going to cover campaigns as comedy shows or no content, no substance, i think we're doing a disservice to the voters. when people talk about a pivot, alisyn, most of the advice he receives, whether it's on tv or in person, is pivoting stylistically. but substantively, the issues that benefits donald trump -- look at the polls on obamacare. you have 210 polls taken, 202 that people are against it.
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you have about three that are for it. i think hillary clinton should be asked about -- she wants to ridicule her opponent. i find that very unbecoming. but she can be talking about why aetna just lost $430 million. >> if we're going to talk about polls, the polls on druonald trp have not been going in the right direction either. was the feeling that under paul manafort's leadership that donald trump was being too handled? >> i've not had that conversation with mr. trump. and paul manafort remains as our chairman. paul and i and steve bannon were with each other yesterday. we had a round table with national security and foreign policy experts. we were together reviewing the last cuts of our ads, which will start this week. we're very excited. going up in five states. two different ads in rotation. so it will no longer be $102 million for hillary clinton and her super pacs versus zero for us. and there we are. >> listen, when the news broke
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that you had been promoted to campaign manager, in fact last night in preparing for this segment, i couldn't find a singling pundit that wasn't applauding the choice of you being promoted. they were using words like masterful, experienced. here's how "the wall street journal" editorial board phrased it. one new hire, pollster kellyanne conway, as campaign manager is encouraging. miss conway is one of the best people in politics, a sincere conservative with a talent for finding the language to connect with voters who aren't policy wonks or political addicts. people are applauding and encouraged by you. >> that's very kind. i'm very humbled. i hadn't seen any of it. i have four small children. >> i know you did. you are a busy woman. >> i hadn't seen that, but it's very humbling. i would note something that i think has been lost. i'm not a huge identity politics fan. it was pointed out to me i'm the first female republican presidential campaign manager. i didn't know that, nor did donald trump ever mention it to me. you know why? because it's not why i was
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promoted. i will say there are many people who berate folks around the conservative side, but donald trump promoted me. i think that speaks very well of him. he's got women in the trump corporation for many years, promoting them. i feel like advancing in their careers. i feel like i'm the latest example of that. >> so what will you do differently with the campaign than we've seen in the past few weeks or couple months? >> so i think we're going to sharpen the message. we're going to make sure donald trump is comfortable about being in his own skin, that he doesn't lose that authenticity that you simply can't buy and a pollster can't give you. voters know if you're comfortable in your own skin. let him be him in this sense. he wants to deliver the speech, if he wants to go to a rally, if he wants to connect with the crowd in a way that's very spontaneous, that's wonderful. and that's how he got here. that's how he became the nominee in large part, alisyn. at the same time, we have some
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really serious, pressing problems in this country that i'm hoping will start to be addressed more by the media. he's going to give these policy speeches, and i'm thrilled we've gotten so much coverage this week just on the first two speeches. you'll see more of those. next week is immigration week followed by education week. >> pundits are not as thrilled with the choice of steve bannon as the new ceo of the campaign. he is known as a street fighter. he has been the head of breitbart, that right-wing news outlet. are you comfortable with steve bannon's style? >> i'm extremely comfortable with steve bannon in the campaign. i thought it was a masterful choice, to quote other people. you know, donald trump in the press release and in his comments to the press described us as people who want to win. i think we're going to leave everything on the field. there are millions of people who are relying upon a true choice, a true change election. they need to see the contrast. we want to take the message directly to the voters. i'm a huge proponent in the ground game, in building a campaign from the bottom up. steve also, he's a big strategic
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thinker. i think folks are going to cherry pick anything somebody said or anything somebody did, but he is a very -- he's a brilliant tactical mind. look, the bottom line is the candidate has to trust his advisers. we feel like we have the trust of the leader here. >> in terms of steve bannon's messaging, because obviously that's very important as well in a campaign, i just want to read some of the recent breitbart headlines. he's obviously a provocateur, but some things cut pretty close to the bone and can be seen as insulting, offensive. here are some of the recent headlines. here's one. there's no hiring bias against women in tech, they just suck at interviews. next, sympathy for the devils, the plot against radiologierer ailes and america. that one is about how the sexual harassment allegations against roger ailes, he's the victim of what breitbart calls this sort of democratic establishment of the clintons. next, big trans hate machine
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targets pitching great curt schilling, referring to transgender people. and birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. what do you think of headlines like this? >> i've not read those stories, but i have to say not unlike the reason that most of the media cover donald trump and not hillary clinton, people like to click on headlines and see what they're about. so i haven't read those stories, but i can tell you the man is a brilliant tactician. he has a long history of, i think, being unafraid. i'll tell you what donald trump needs. he needs people who are like him in this sense. you have to be unapologetically, unflinchingly unafraid of hillary clinton and bill clinton and all that clinton campaign means. we feel like we're up against a major machine here. and we -- you know, you need people ready for battle, at least willing to leave it all on the field. >> but you have been, i think, a proponent of the big tent idea
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of republicans need to attract more women. they need to attract more his tann panics. does the attitude of birth control makes women unattractive and crazy helpful? >> i don't like a lot of what comes out of elizabeth warren's mouth about my candidate and our vice presidential candidate. i don't like a lot of the rhetoric, frankly. partly, yes, it is the mother in me, but partly because i am tough in politics, alisyn. partly it's because it does a disservice to the voters. the idea we have millions more in poverty, millions more out of work, the idea that people feel unsafe, that they feel less process pous and less safe now, those are the issues we need to address. i think when we go down all these different rabbit holes about who said what at what given time in what year of their lives, i'm not sure it creates -- i know it doesn't create one job. it doesn't force hillary clinton to own obamacare. i'd love to know -- i mean, if
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she ever does a press conference, if she ever stops disrespecting the press long enough -- >> and i hear you're pointing out things on the other side that make you uncomfortable, but isn't it fair to ask about the attitudes and feelings? >> oh, sure. you're freeway to ask whatever you want. >> and if you're comfortable with where steve bannon is coming from. >> i've worked with him on other efforts. i find him to be a highly effective, brilliant tactician who gets things done. he executes. in politics, you get some people, particularly in government, you don't necessarily have to execute at that moment. we're going to have a meeting. we're going to hold a commission. we're going to get it done. we have 82 days left. i think he's someone who's going to be at headquarters basically executing on many different instances. he and i have calls today with our field staff, with our different teams, our coalition folks. it's very exciting. i actually am going to -- i want to go and meet all the interns
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and figure out, you know, what is their best and highest use. what would they like to do. why are they there. why are they so inspired, these people born in the 1990s. why are they so inspired to be here working for donald trump. i want everybody included. that allows donald trump to focus on being the candidate. he'll be in north carolina today. very busy day. >> we have a lot more questions for you, kellyanne conway. thank you for sticking around and being here. we want to talk about donald trump's poll numbers because he is trailing hillary clinton in most of the key swing states. so kellyanne conway is a pollster. she'll have a lot to say about that and we'll be right back with kellyanne conway. ♪ ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here.
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you say it's not a shake-up. but you guys are down. >> says who? >> polls. >> says who? >> most of them, all of them. >> says who? >> polls. i just told you. i answered your question. >> okay.
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which polls? >> all of them. >> okay. >> that's donald trump's executive vice president michael cohen, seemingly in denial that trump is behind hillary clinton in the polls. or doing his best impression of an owl. but the latest swing state polls show a clear picture. clinton leading trump in colorado you see there, iowa, and virginia. those are not the only battlegrounds where she's ahead. how will trump turn things around? let's continue the conversation with donald trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway, who is also a pollster. you're a pollster. these polls can not look like good omens to you. what do you see in those numbers? >> i think it helps us to be a little bit behind, and we are. it lights a fire under us and reminds us what we need to do to get this done. >> and what's the answer? >> it's several things. i've noticed in the cross tabs, tho you notice quickly that hillary clinton's fundamentals are so
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poor. it's not as if a majority of americans now say i like her or trust her. she has a terrible gender gap among men. basically half of the electorate, that has not been able to be turn around. i don't know she has many places to go. in other words, she's a very defined individual. for whatever reason, because she's certainly surrounded by many talented professionals and smart people, for whatever reason, they're running a campaign about donald trump and not about hillary clinton's vision. it's very unusual for the democratic party to have a candidate that doesn't have that uplifting, generational, inspirational message much like bill clinton, barack obama, and jfk. we like our odds in this sense. we're the ones giving these policy speeches. we're talking to the press and not ignoring them. we're the ones who have the issues set in our favor because at the end of the day, this is 2000. this is 2008 all over again. it's a change election. it's 1992. if you look at the cross tabs, we've lost some votes among republicans. they're not going to go to hillary clinton. they're basically saying, i
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don't like the way the last couple weeks went, and i want you to get back to fighting hillary clinton. >> but if you dive deeper into the polls, you've also lost support among women. what are you going to do about that? >> we're doing several things. we recognize women are the chief household officers in their families. if you look at all the polls, people feel very frustrated and unfulfilled by obamacare. it hasn't worked for a lot of people. it hasn't worked for many americans who thought they'd be covered. we're also -- if you look at his economic speech last week, helps the middle class. he's pro-entrepreneurship. we talk to a lot of security mom and nonsecurity moms -- by the way, we're very focused on nonmoms, people who choose not to have children. they're very concerned about national security. >> you were not a donald trump supporter. you were a ted cruz support erp. i assume that's because you
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preferred ted cruz's positions over donald trump's. let's just dive into some of those. immigration. you in 2014 co-authored a paper basically -- it was a plan that would have created a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants. i'll read just a portion of the paper. this is a memo. most americans don't believe deportation is a viable policy with respect to undocumented immigrants. in fact, there's an overwhelming consensus in support of some kind of legalization for undocumented immigrants, either legal status or citizenship. that is as far away from build a wall as pretty much you can get. how have you squared that now? >> i don't know if anna palmer included the considerable body of work that we sent her, which is immigration as a security issue, immigration as a fairness issue. we have many americans saying it's just not fair i can't compete. we did that to try to find out where america was on
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immigration. you know what happened? the day that they were releasing those data, eric kantor lost his race the day before based on some degree on immigration. >> so you don't feel anymore that a path to citizenship is the answer for the 11 million illegal immigrants, undocumented immigrants? >> i don't feel that's where the american electorate is. well, forget what i feel. what happened there is the appetite in congress was not there. that's how that reformed did not happen. we go back to 2014, alisyn, we released a different poll at the heritage foundation that year. governor perry was there as the major speaker. we were really the first people to talk about immigration through the lens of the economy because it seemed to me in listening to focus groups and listening to quantitative polling that people were talking about immigration now as an impediment for them in being able to compete to find and secure jobs. >> the workers feel as though their jobs have been taken.
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>> that's where as a pollster, it's not for me to say your feelings are wrong or your facts are wrong. this is how people feel about it. >> but your position, has your position changed in terms of the answer for the 11 to 12 million people who are here? >> nobody knows my position because i'm not running for president. but i will tell you this. on these issues, i'm glad you raised issues, i would love -- i mean, i would love to have a true debate, whether it's them side by side, which we will have and those will be incredibly important in moving these poll numbers. we start debate prep this weekend. i would love to hear how -- the contrast between donald trump and hillary clinton on immigration. she's been critical of president obama's immigration. and we hear how many people he's deported. >> just so i'm clear, this wasn't your position when you felt that there should be some sort of answer for the 11 to 12 million people who are here. that was your prescription, i guess is what you're saying, to the republican candidates. >> and those were polling data that showed support for that.
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>> but that's changed now. >> well, there's not a lot of support for that now. there certainly wasn't in congress in 2014. but i also wanted to say something else. i appreciate you raising the issues. we feel when it comes to the issues, we really never had such a contrast election. governor romney is a wonderful human being. he won one debate on october 3rd, 2012, but he never really truly won the argument. my goal as campaign manager for donald trump is to win the argument. you have to win the argument every day. emphasize, focus, reiterate. >> so back to debate prep, that's interesting you're already engaged in it. who's playing hillary clinton? >> it's actually a wonderful choice for this weekend. i think he'll be very happy with the choice. i won't say it because it's private and confidential. we have many people very willing to help. that's the other thing. i welcome anybody. i've heard from thousands of
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people since yesterday with advice and ideas. i think that's very exciting. i promise to manage a campaign that is one where everybody's ideas and everybody at least feels included and heard. >> is roger ailes a part of the debate prep? >> roger ailes and donald trump have been friends for decades, pre-fox news. >> is he helping during the debates? >> not to my knowledge. >> so no formal position. >> no formal position for roger ailes. i know they're old friends. as your own brian stelter said the other night, you worked for roger, they were very candid in saying who wouldn't want roger ailes' advice when it comes to communication or ads. >> and that's why people are asking. in an informal way, is roger helping with the debate prep? >> well, they're friends. he talks to many people. it's not for me to say, but i will tell you, people would be surprised at who and how many folks truly want to help.
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i have not heard many people of late say, we just have to stop hillary. they're excited about donald trump's candidacy. i would just say to my never trump friends that they should think about that. they should think about recasting the supreme court in hillary's likeness, think about higher taxes, more regulations than the 600 we've gotten from president obama, obamacare, plus single payer, whatever that would mean. and a president in hillary clinton who said in her own words at the convention where we were together, alisyn that, isis is our, quote, determined enemies. that's not a very muscular, robust way to audition for commander for chief. >> well, kellyanne conway, thank you for all of your time. >> thank you very having me. i appreciate it. >> we appreciate you being here. we will be watching very closely what happens now in the trump campaign moving forward. >> we'll see you soon. >> thanks so much. let's get o every to chris. >> there she is, kellyanne conway, trump's new campaign manager, talking about the plan for the next 82 days. issues, issues, issues, says conway. so are we going to see a
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so i think we're going to sharpen the message and we're going to make sure donald trump is comfortable about being in his own skin, that he doesn't lose that authenticity, that you simply can't buy and a pollster can't give you. >> you just heard from trump's campaign manager, the newly minted kellyanne conway. so is this going to be a real change? does this help? is this the key? let's discuss with our panel. cnn political director david chalian, and cnn politics executive editor mark preston. we also have jackie kucinich. kellyanne conway, we all know her, known her for a while. smooth. you ask her about the terrible
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things breitbart puts up, she transitions easily without hostility. can her candidate be those things? that's always going to be the question. there's only so much staff can do and then it's really up to the candidate. but what a skilled mess for donald trump. that was very clear from alisyn's interview. let's take a small moment in the interview just as an example. michael cohen and how he answered a question about the polls yesterday. you played that moment with brianna keilar. versus how she answered it, which is, no, we are a little behind, and that's the fuel we're riding. what a more solid and honest assessment of the state of the race. >> mark, what about what she said about what she believes her goal is now for donald trump? and that is to let trump be trump and to let the candidate start having fun again, basically, she said. you know, he likes being at those big rallies. he gets his fuel from that. what do you think of that plan? >> here's the biggest strength i think kellyanne brings.
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he's a skilled operator who's well respected for the many years she's been in battle in political campaigns. at the same time, she understands she can't go to a candidate and try to impose everything that she believes upon that candidate. if she can make the candidate, in this case donald trump, comfortable with himself, he's going to be more likely to take her advice when they're talking about policy positions or perhaps in donald trump's case not talking about anything at all. one of her biggest roles will be traveling with donald trump and to try to keep him in line. look, if you were just turning to the campaign today and watching kellyanne conway right now and this was the first real taste you had of donald trump, you would have a different opinion of donald trump than if you had been following all along. >> except he ain't running. jackie, if we look at the list of people in the mix, roger stone was kicked out. a lot of people thought that was subterfuge. roger ailes as an adviser.
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they had a huge war, he and donald trump. kellyanne conway was working for cruz, one of the people who would say, when are you going to start checking had guy and all the crazy things he says? interesting that now those people are around him. >> kellyanne is very, very good, but i don't know that anyone can make trump into a sort of polished policy-laiden candidate at this point. particularly because of the other people around him. as you point out, this is about going -- i mean, bringing on steve bannon, the sort of smash mouth provocateur as the top of the campaign that, seems more indicative of where this campaign is going top we're going back to the primaries. we're going back to those bare-knuckle fights. mark is absolutely right. if you tuned in today and saw kellyanne, you would have a completely different impression of this campaign. the problem is the product that she's selling is going to get up and when she's doing those free-flowing rallies, that's
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where he gets himself in trouble. >> breitbart specializes in inflammatory, flame-throwing headlines. i bounced a few off of kellyanne to see if she was comfortable with them, particularly the things that denigrate women. here's her response. >> the man is a brilliant tactician, and he has a long history of i think gerding for combat and being unafraid. i'll tell you what donald trump needs. he needs people like him in this sense. you have to be unapologetically, unflinchingly unafraid of hillary clinton and bill clinton and all that clinton campaign means. because we feel like we're up against a major machine here. >> so in other words, she was saying, hey, he's a strieeet fighter, about steve bannon and he likes to win. >> listen, i thought that was one of her really stronger answers. it shows, you know, we're talking about, yes, she said he wants to get back to policy and
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what have you, but she knows and she said there what he needs around him also are people that will let him be the brawler he wants to be. by the way, i don't think there's a republican in the country that would hear that and not rally around that notion to be unafraid to go after hillary clinton every single day. at the convention when we see it on the campaign trail, this is the unifying principle for all republicans. those that have been reluctant to come to trump, those with trump. >> exactly when did donald trump become this pacifist who put his fist down and took some kinder, gentler way in this election? i can't think of one episode of this. just because the guy is on a teleprompter? we talk about him being on a teleprompter like he saved his head and came out in a dress. >> crooked hillary. clearly he's been attacking hillary, but the attacks haven't really landed as he would like because he has created so much chaos around his campaign himself that he hasn't been able to put the focus on hillary
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clinton or has his campaign. to your point, he has been attacking, but can bannon? can kellyanne conway? can roger ailes? can roger stone? can they get him to focus more on two or three, perhaps four issues to try to take hillary down? >> jackie, what's your prediction now that there's been this shake-up in the campaign and kellyanne is at the helm? >> i think we're going to see more of the stame trump. i really do. david and mark are right in that if they can hone his message into going after hillary clinton, he'll be in better shape. that said, it really -- he's the one who gets off message. they need to figure out a way for him to focus. we'll see if he can do it. >> kelly answered it was going to be about positive issues going forward. i think jackie blew an opportunity. if i asked you what's your prediction going forward, wouldn't you have gone with l g
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lang? do you remember his prediction. pain. all right. another story we're following, olympic news. u.s. swimmers pulled off their flight home. inconsistencies emerge, say brazilian authorities, about their claims of being robbed at gunpoint. when are they going to get to come home? we have the latest live from rio next.
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two olympic swimmers removed from their flight to the u.s. by brazilian police so they could be questioned about the alleged robbery at gunpoint that you've heard so much about. there are inconsistencies emerging in their accounts.
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ryan lochte is now apparently changing some of his story. let's discuss this with cnn's sports correspondent coy wire and cnn sports analyst christine brennan. i know you've been reporting on this. what's the latest thinking on whether or not this was a real robbery? >> reporter: that's a great question. i think the thing we have to say first of all is we have no idea what occurred in the early morning hours on sunday here in rio. journalistically, we cannot know. i think we're going to get the answer. as always, these stories have a way of coming out in the end. but what we know is the story has changed a little bit, alisyn. not a lot, but ryan lochte has made some big changes in his story. are there more changes to come? i asked that as a question because we, of course, have no idea. the fact that we have that video of them coming into the village, coy, you know that, with their belongings, looking quite casual, throw that into the mix. if they've just been robbed at gunpoint, and you have the mess and crazy situation we are now
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living in, in rio. >> reporter: you mentioned some of the discrepancies. first you have james feigen saying one man had a gun, who was posing as an officer, unmarked, had badges. while ryan lochte said there were several men with guns. also, one said they were at a gas station. another implied they had left the gas station. those things are uncertain. so those were a couple of the discrepancies that are being spoken of. the other thing that some here are saying is why would in that video that has arisen from "the daily mail," why would they be wearing their watch, have their cell phones, two of the prime targets in an incident like this that happened in the streets of rio every day. so those are some of the questions that still remain here by brazilian authorities. >> so what's the farthest reach of any speculation you have heard, christine? is this about whether it happened at all, or is this about whether what actually happened that led to some type of bad situation? >> reporter: well, chris, again, as you know, journalistically, i've -- we've survived all these
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years by not dealing in speculation, but i have had sources that have questioned the entire thing, yes. that doesn't mean that is accurate. that means it's an evolving and developing story and we're on it. what i think also we're seeing here is the worst nightmare for the u.s. olympic committee come true. now, you might also say worst nightmare for brazil if it all is true. if a gun was to ryan lochte's head, as he says it was, although that story is changing a bit, that's just horrible. that's a horrible image, visual for these games when we've talked so much going into these games about the problems in crime, et cetera. the flip side is you have two u.s. swimmers on a plane getting hauled off a plane and questioned. they've been released now. but that, again, is something that the u.s. olympic committee is trying to just kind of low key everything at any olympic games. that's the worst thing they wanted to have have. >> coy, we were just watching that surveillance video of the guys returning to the olympic village in the early morning after they'd be out all night.
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what does this video tell us? why is this video the thing that's calling the story into question? >> reporter: story into questio. >> it shows the significance and prominence of this occurrence. maybe some rouuffleed there are warrants issued and you have these athletes, big time athletes who are being prevented from leaving this country. >> right, but i mean -- >> 12-time olympian. >> but you're saying in the video, they don't look upset. in the video, they don't look as they they were victims of a violent crime. is that what the problem is? >> oh, in the video, yes, when they returned, just before the hour of 7:00 a.m. sunday morning. that's something that the judge here in rio said that their physical and psychological integrities seemed unharmed, basically what she said. that was something that caught their attention, why they wanted to look deeper into the issue.
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they were laughing and joking around, says the judge. something that wouldn't lead you to believe that something traumatic had just happened to them. as ryan lochte at first said, a gun was pointed to his head, but then told nbc's matt lauer, it wasn't to his head. these are the questions that keep arising here. one thing to have brazilian authorities to go deep near this. this isn't painting a good picture, if they're holding people at gun point. >> somebody looks bad, but the question is who. we'll figure that out with your help. thank you for your help. >> >> that video is hard to say. >> the only thing you get is if you were robbed at gun point, why do you still have valuables. >> right. that's a good question. so obviously, we'll stay on that throughout the program. floodwaters are starting to recede, but relief workers said they have not seen anything
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since super storm sandy, stumbling over that word. super storm sandy. look at the aftermath of the flooding here in louisiana. so this region needs our help and attention. we'll talk about that when we come right back. you both have a
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all right, back to louisiana, the catastrophic flooding has 40,000 homes damaged, at least 13 dead. president obama signing a major disaster declaration. the red cross, a massive rebelieve effort. joining us now is rosa flores on the ground and meteorologist chad myers. let me start with you, rosa. good case the people are begging for more attention. just because there is no hurricane doesn't mean it isn't bad. the concern right now is the extent and the duration that the flooding may last. tell us. >> reporter: well, take a look behind me and ayou will see the story right now in southern louisiana. you'll see mounds of stuff down the street. that's as people are trying to rebuild their homes and lives. they're bringing out everything that was soaked inside their
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houses. this is just the first step, and chris, just to let you know, i've been with first responders, going door-to-door, as they look for people to make sure that they're okay. they tell me this is a good sign, because when they see mounds of stuff in front of homes, that means that the homeowner is okay, and that they're starting to rebuild their lives. chris. >> they have to have an almost artificially low bar for okay, because they're dealing with worst case scenarios. chad, let's get to this point. as, you know, as horrible as the situation is for the families that are right behind rosa, they are in a better position than many, because their homes are not still under water. so give us a sense of what extended water exposure means and how it came to that point. >> it means you're going to have to knock that house down if it is under water for many days, even five inches of water drywall and sheetrock wrecks it. it is a complete rebuild on the
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inside. let's talk about the rainfall on friday, saturday, sunday. there were spots in new york and new jersey that get flooding. this is louisiana, and they picked up 20 to 25 inches in 48 hours. that's the entire state of new jersey, covered up with 20 inches of rain. any state will flood when it comes to that much rainfall. that's just how it happened. something else happens here. why do they put cemeteries above ground in new orleans. not for looks. because you can't build underground. you know what they call a basement in louisiana. an indoor pool. because the ground water, the table water is so close, you can dig down six inches and get water. when you don't have any place for the water to go down, it will go up. you put 20 inches any where, and it went up all weekend long. here is why it is taking so long. look at louisiana, no t
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topogrophy, this is a slow, slow flood. it will be with us for many days. >> you and i have experienced the effect, acute, lots of places, especially you get down towards louisiana, you will see a ship come by above your eye line, because you're that far below the water level. let's go to some of those topic ture -- top pictures, and you don't real really see it, and it hurts the predictions of how long this will last as well, because they don't know how long it will take to drain those places. >> reporter: you know, chris, i talked to multiple families who said they didn't have flood insurance, because they were told they didn't need flood insurance. as we look at these pictures, you'll see that the water rose very, very quickly. i talked to some of those
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families. they tell us they had to evacuate very quickly. sometimes overnight, because the water rose so, so quickly. we talked to other people who we met at shelters, that they say their neighbors started knocking on their doors to make sure they got out safely. again, because those waters rose just so quickly. >> all right, rosa, chad, thank you very much. look, we don't lightly tell you to pay attention to situations and think about helping, but as the people you just saw on that screen are telling you, and many of us here at cnn, this will last a long time, and the needs are going to grow. they're going to be very profound. if you want to help the people down there, if not today, go to cnn.com/impact. all right, a lot of news, a big story out of the olympics, and not of the olympic variety. let's get to it.
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>>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. it is thursday, 8:00 in the east. we have breaking news, because there is an international drama surrounding team usa swimmers, two of them taken off their return flight from rio and told they cannot leave brazil. >> police there want to question them about star swimmer, ryan lochte, and the night that they were actually robbed, allegedly at gun point. why? inconsistency in the accounts. ryan lochte is supposedly changing some of his sorry. for the latest, nick paton walsh, live in rio with the latest. good morning, nick, what do we know? >> reporter: chris, battling, frankly, that these inconsistencies in the few number of hours since they left the nightclub could spiral into an international with search and seizures, athletes taken off the plane, they were supposed to be flying home on. a remarkable few days.
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american swimmers, pulled off the plane and ordered not to leave rio. the olympic duo, detained after a judge ordered them to give official statements because of discrepancies in their claims that they were robbed at gun point on sunday night, along with teammates james feigan and ryan lochte. just hours after the incident, lochte told nbc news -- >> they told the other swimmers to get down on the ground. they down on the ground. i refused. i was like we didn't do anything wrong. so i'm not getting down on the ground, and this guy pulled out his gun. he cocked it, put it to my forehead and said get down. he took my money and wallet. >> reporter: lochte is back in the u.s., and conceding that his
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initial statement was a dramatic mischaracterization of what happened the surveillance video shows the swimmers returning to the olympic village just before 7:00 a.m. on sunday morning. the judge says it shows them seemingly unshaken, and joking around, after the alleged robbery. lochte's lawyer tells cnn that video shows me nothing. it shows guys coming home at 6 or 7 in the morning and shows me they're happy they're alive. among the inconsistent-- they'r taxi driver to come forward to verify the claims. here is one thing we're not able to clarify. the judge in her court order says she thinks the men left the club around 4:00 a.m., whereas the tourist police chief talked about 5:45 a.m. and everyone is in agreement they pretty much ride back to the village at 7:00 a.m. potentially anything between one and three hour window that
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police are now forensically investigating to find out what happened to these men. i'm sure the statements, the three in brazil, feigen, bentz a congor. >> we'll be watch pg those statements closely. thank you for the reporting. n . now for the rice to tace to white house. sar sara murray joins us with the shake-up. >> donald trump does not feel like the race is going his way. he was ready for a change, and that's why he is reshuffling his top aides. not everyone agrees this is what he needs to turn around his poll numbers. >> the vadvice would be to be authentic. >> donald trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway suggesting trump is going back to basics.
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>> people do want change. they're tired of the corrupt system. >> and playing up the bombastic style that cat put him on top. sources tell cnn is frustrated with the direction of his campaign and feels he has a chance to win. if he loses, he wants it on his term. >> got him through the primary process by being true to himself. >> but some republicans are weary that breitbart executive steve bannon as the campaign's chief executive to drive him further from the establishment fold. bannon, so divisive, he has been characterized as the most dangerous operative in america. something trump's campaign is touting. bannon nudged trump not to bou to the political establishment in may. >> for unity, are you not
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prepared to give up what they backed you on from the beginning? when they hear paul ryan talking unity, what they feel is going to be a collapse of what you ran on, and a collapse of what they backed you on? >> my folks have absolutely nothing to worry about. that's the way it is. i mean, i won in a landslide based on what i was saying and based on my ideas and themes and my statements and my policies. so i'm not going to go into a room and go back to the old stuff that's not working. >> as some gop officials urged the rnc to abandon trump, others say they need to continue supporting trump in order to hang on to vulnerable seats in congress. all as hillary clinton appears to relish the latest reset, insisting it won't change his fortunes in november. >> he can hire and fire anybody he wants from his campaign, but he is still the same man who insulting gold star families,
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demeans women, mocks people with disabilities, and thinks he knows more about isis than our generals. >> now, even as some sources tell us, the latest staff changes mean we will see donald trump unleashed, kellyanne conway is adding a dash of caution to that saying it is not the end of teleprompter trump. we're expecting him to prepare remarks tonight in north carolina and speeches will be coming up on education. >> one of the beautiful things about politics. always multiple answers to the same question. for instance, the shake-up, will it help or hurt. you're going to hear the answer to both of those things. cnn political commentator and former donald trump campaign manager, corey lewandowski, important to note, he is still receiving severance payments from the trump campaign. editor of the weekly standard and critic, bill kristol. let's start with the positive side of this, why it is a good thing. why is it a good thing to have
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somebody like bannon with the bare knuckled breitbart style of taking it to con sfir sspiracyc? >> what you have with donald trumps have a new team come into place, he feels comfortable which allows him to be authentic, which is what got him through the primary process, and not someone who is rehearsed, his authenticity has gotten him here, it resonates with the american people and what you see with bannon and kellyanne conway is understanding that authenticity is what will propel donald trump to the white house. >> bill, is it new? roger stone, who they say is advising him, stone says a little more than he had been recently, he ain't new. roger ailes as an advisor, that ain't new. kellyanne, she was there, and many say that trumpism was born out of breitbart and what bannon does there. how do you see it. >> donald trump isn't new.
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people have watched him for a year, and 62% of the american public have an unfavorable of him and as of now they don't think he is qualified to be president of the united states. that's the problem. i went through the first white house in '92, i thought the first president bush did a good job. people wanted change. they were tired after 12 years of reagan and bush, and they accepted clinton and 19% voted for ross perot. you have the wind at your back. that's been trump's huge a advantage. i don't like him, i don't think he should be president, but corey understood that when he ran the primary. the trouble, he should, the republicans should win a change election against hillary clinton, who whatever her virtues or limitations, embodies the status quo. but trump so far has not crossed the bar of being acceptable. >> will this help? >> no. >> why? >> kellyanne is wonderful, but she is is not going to be shaping the message. trump is, and bannon, who is now joined him, is apparently a
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senior person in the campaign, running a website that is cooky. is for trump, try tos beat people like me, or persuade people like me, don't be so anti-trump. i said what do you think, going back and forth, do you read that website, breitbart news? no, i stopped reading it months ago. that's hugh hewitt who is for trump, one of trump's senior people running a website that's totally nuts. >> here's what it is. the d.c. political class -- >> that's you, bill. >> who have made a living losing elections more than winning elections at the republican party, has come out and say steve bannon has never run a campaign. steve bannon isn't a washington insid insider. steve bannon doesn't know how to do this. you go through the primary process and look at the campaign managers, everyone of them lost. you are going to go back to whose campaign that the
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quote-unquote establishment would have been acceptable and what does that do? that's not what the american people want. they're tired of that. they're tired of the jeb bushs of the world. they're tired of those people who have been in washington for 30 years with no change. no more money in your pocket, produced obama care. $21 trillion in deficits. those people are accountable for that. and so this notion that you need to bring in somebody new that is more acceptable is completely absurd, because that's not what the american people want. maybe that's what they wants inside the belt way, but that's not what they want outside the belt way. >> he is so far outside the -- where exactly is breitbart? >> i think they're in d.c. >> that's the tragedy of the nomination of donald trump. he is the one republican who is able to lose to hillary clinton, and he is going to lose to hillary clinton -- >> putting in charge -- >> this is not a two person race. it is a four race now. gary johnson and jill stein are
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in this race jill stein should be able to participate in the -- donald trump will win this election, gear gary johnson and jill stein will take away votes. >> that's the recourse of a campaign that will lose, third and fourth party will magically change the equation. 38% of the american people, he won't get much above that number in november, and the tragedy is, people want change. on the issues, on the issues, people agree with the republicans. >> that's what kellyanne was saying. if donald trump could shape more of this -- >> you still need to believe the guy is qualified and fit to be commander in chief, and people do not believe that about trump. maybe the door is still a little open to persuade them. i'm not saying the vase over. >> maybe the door is open to say hey, don't believe everything you've seen for the last few weeks and month, i really many
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fit to be president. >> one of the things you guys liked about him, and you guys for any of the republicans, when he goes after hillary clinton, everybody is happy, aren't they? >> no, i never was. the case against hillary clinton is easy to make. it does not require screaming and yelling. it does not require attacking gold star parents, attacking john mccain, demeaning reporter whose have disabilities. i make the opposite point in my view, the obama administration, and secretary clinton, donald trump hurts the critique. isis, they failed, they did fail in getting out of iraq and not dealing with syria. that did lead to the formation to isis and to terrible things happening in the middle east. when he says obama is the founder, repeats it for two days, it makes it hard. donald trump is doing great damage to concertism.
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>> 11%, that number has not changed for democrats and republicans, she is not honest or trustworthy, she does not handle classified information. we've seen now there are continuous problems with her honesty, with her staff. pay for play. these things continue to perpetuate. the american people are really smart when they say the rise of the outsider, funding his own campaign, can't be beholden to the class, and that's why donald trump will do well and win. >> trump as we all know constantly monitors this show. we like that. we wish he would come on and make the case himself. it is good have the candidate be his own advocate. he said i'll soon be called mr. brexit. does that happen your feelings about him? if he encounters and winds up gathering that spirit of what we
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saw happen in brittain, would than a good thing from your perspective? >> no, i was for brexit. i know quite well some of the leading politicians. why did brexit win there is a lot of desire for change as corey was saying. boris johnson, serious people made serious argument as to why it would be good for britain and not damage the alliance with the u.s. and not damage europe, et cetera. if you're going to -- especially if you're going advocate change, you have to be a substantive. you could afford to go to clinton as an agent of change. people don't believe you can afford to put trump in the oval office. >> that's not true. he led a detailed plan on isis, last week was economic plan. this week, how to keep america safe, and have a better homeland security program as it relates to police. that was done. you'll see more details again
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hillary clinton's campaign continues to go dogged by questions surrounding the ties between wealthy donors to the
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clinton foundation and requests for favors of the state department. joining us now is democratic congressman andre carson, he has endorsed hillary clinton. good morning. >> good morning, thank you for having me. >> congressman, just even today, there are these conservative outlets, citizens united, judicial watch, that continues to get their hands on e-mails or documents that show, while not a smoking gun, they do show that top executive tes at the clinto foundation were asking for favors or access from people at the state department while hillary clinton was there. what do you think of that connection? >> well, i think there is always a slippery slope of sorts when you have donors who give, and then after they give, they make requests from bureaucrats or politicians. you never want to have the
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appearance of impropriety or pay to play, but when you're dealing with human beings, things happen and we get into this messy area. but i think what is clear is that secretary clinton, soon to be president clinton, nothing has been found to your point. there is no smoking gun. she'll be our next president. it shows over and over again, despite the assertions of others that she is someone who has great integrity, she is fit to lead our country. >> i think your point is interesting. there are always wealthy donors who want favors, and they think that they'll be able to extract something, and then it falls to the people who should know better. people at the clinton foundation, top executives, why were they even sending e-mails asking for access or a job for somebody, or to have a conversation between a wealthy donor and somebody at the state department? shouldn't they have known better? >> well, i think we all should know better. i think sometimes our impulse to
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either pay back a favor or to do something for someone can get muddied, and in they are ra of e-mail exchanges, and it could give an appearance of some sinister plot when there really isn't one. but i think there are always ethical considerations we should take into consideration. we make decisions. at the end of the day, we're all human being, and we should all be mindfuls about the ways we approach things. >> it sounds like donald trump's campaign will continue to try to season this. as you know, his campaign had a shake-up yesterday. kellyanne conway is named as the new campaign manager. we had her on "new day," and she talked about what she sees the task going forward. listen to this. >> i'll tell you what donald trump needs. he needs people who are like him in this sense. you have to be unapologetically
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unflinching, unafraid of hillary clinton and bill clinton and all that clinton campaign means. we feel like, we feel like we're up against a major machine here. >> are you worried as a clinton supporter that there will be ramped up attacks now with his new -- the new people at the helm of his campaign? >> well, i think that mr. trump's campaign apparatus has shown a kind of boldness and meanness, and if he is ramping things up to trump 3.0, that means that he will probably be meaner, boulder, more insidious, and more direct in terms of his insults against the latino american community, muslims, and other folks. and so him making a switch and adding more people on to the campaign who are like him, concerns me deeply.
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one would think he would be at least introspecktive enough who have a difference of opinions, who can add to his intellectual repertoire as it were to make him better and more balanced. but that's not the case. i think his impulse is to have people look like him. the the emperor without clothes, we're seeing that as we speak. >> congressman, i want to ask you quickly about the issue that has become real flash point in this campaign, and that's the plight or threat of syrian refugees. this picture has gone viral in aleppo after an air strike. it is hearbreaking. you can see how injured he is. and how disoriented.
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he is in the back of an ambulance here, covered with the aftermath of this air strike. you know, there are people who say obviously that syrian refugees pose a threat because you cannot properly vet them. if their house has been destroidestroi destroyed, what do you say about the people who are worried about vetting refugees? >> think the united states, fbi, homeland security, they have the most rigorous vetting process. 18 to 24 months than any other nation in the world. and so our vetting process is extremely thorough. i think that the american people should be comforted in knowing that we have a process that is very refined. we're constantly making adjustments. but it is very refined and very thorough. >> congressman andre carson, thank you for being on "new day." >> what an honor. thank you. >> chris. all right, so breitbart, steve bannon, now the ceo of
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in a shake-up of donald trump's campaign, steve bannon emerges, a new name on the scene for many of you. the conservative website, breitbart, he has been appointed the new ceo of the trump campaign. who he is, and why he is making so many people so nervous. joining us now is david bossy. he is the president of citizens united, the organization behind the supreme court case on campaign spending, long time friend of bannon and kellyanne conway. actually introduced bannon and trump years ago, i believe. he is now the head of make america number one super pac. mr. bossy, what a pleasure to have you on "new day." >> thanks for having me. appreciate it. >> let's talk about your friend
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mr. bannon in this context. he has conservatives nervous, political insiders nervous about what this means for the campaign. how can you allay their fears. >> the proof will be not in the pudding, but in the eating, as a senator used to say. it is going to be through the trial and error of this campaign. we don't have a lot of time, and steve bannon is all about action. this guy is, every time i've worked with him over the last eight or ten years, we've done small projects and very large projects together, he dives in, in corresponden incredibly and smart and i think what he brings to the table is a serious focus, as well as the passion and zeal that donald trump is looking for in the people around him. >> so the concern will be, well, which bannon is it?
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there are different types of persuasion he has. one, the deep dive you referred to, that my former producer and mutual friend worked on with anthony wiener. the other ones, the ugly headlines that are very offensive and divisive. which one will he bring to the campaign? >> i think he'll bring the clinton cash version. the movie that he did over the summer that just came out. "clinton ksh "clinton cash." the e-mail scandal, the foundation, you know, just illegal activity that goes on at the clinton foundation. so i think that is the steve bannon you're going to get. an expert on hillary clinton, and an expert on trying to stay focused on that target. that's what donald trump needs. donald trump needs to stay focused on hillary clinton, and make this election about what
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bill kristol was talking about a little bit, which is the american people are fundamentally tired. they also fundamentally don't believe in the honesty and trustworthiness of hillary clinton. this election is winnable by showing hillary clinton's not prepared to be president of the united states, and at the same time, showing why donald trump is. >> so what the clinton campaign says, a little bit of that high trustworthiness is baked in deceptive information about them, for instance, we hear from the campaign, they're going to show that hillary clinton lied to the american people. they're going to show, as you say, clinton cash, that what she did is illegal. do you really believe that there is anything in clinton cash that shows illegality on the part of hillary clinton or any proof that she lied to the fbi or the american people? >> well we're going to find out about -- chris, we're going to find out about this lying to the fbi, and we're going to uncover
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that, as the fbi 302s, the notes of her tininterviews becomes puc between now and election day. >> but don't we know now dave? she lied to the fbi, they would v have indicted her? >> no, that's not true. if you listen to james comey, he said she was not forthcoming in what she told the fbi and what she showed them in their -- in her e-mails. it is simply not the case that she is going to be able to make that case, and with a straight face. robby mook can say whatever he wants. everyday of the week, he is the spokesman campaign manager for hillary clinton. that's what he gets paid to do. that's fine. what i'm going to do is litigate our case against hillary clinton, between now and election day, and that is, look, citizens, we've had a two and a half year campaign of fighting in court for our foias, freedom
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of information act s, and one of the things that cnn and other news outlets cover the documents that we uncover that judicial watch uncovers, and we're really the only two groups doing anything that have really took over two years to complete. so we're just at the tip of this speer, not any where near the completion. >> it is just about how it is presented, right? >> it is. >> today we're reporting on documents that came one way or another through your organization into the media about different relationships between the clinton foundation and the state department. and they are evidence of potential conflict, and whether or not there was a bright line distinction. but it is not proof of illegality. when you start with a conclusion, what she did to get her money, she lied to the american people, you haven't proved it, but you're stating it as a conclusion. >> no, chris. i agree with you but when you
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have short period of time here, we have to try to tell the mane people what's going on in a clear, concise way. that's what donald trump will do, and that's what kellyanne conway and steve bannon will do. he'll now be infused with the data, the information about hillary clinton, i believe on ea minute to minute and day-to-day basis, that they will make him stay focused, or try to stay focused a oh as best you can. the campaign is all about reacting to every question that every reporter asks you. so one of the things he needs to do is stay focused on his opponent, hillary clinton, and build up why people can trust him in the oval office and why they can't trust her. >> you know him well. you understand politics very, very well. why do you think that donald trump hasn't been able to do it up to this point? why can't he keep himself from going too far, and ruining his own arguments? >> you know, it is interesting,
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donald trump has always been his history, right. his personality has been that he is throughout his career has been able to control the media cycle himself, stop it and start it. and reset it. and the thing about not being a career politician, the thing about not being a career elected official, which is the reason he is nhe is the nominee today, yo are not a career candidate. there is a learning curve in how to go about the campaign cycle. and i think donald trump is learning that. has learned it. really it getting really bright post convention. you're going to see him take a different strategy, different tactics between now and election day. >> dave bossie, head of citizens united. ga great to have you on "new day." the invitation is standing. what does this reset mean?
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we have a great political panel, pro trump, never trump, coming up.
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i tell you what donald trump needs. he needs people who are like him in this sense. you have to be unapologetically unflinching unafraid of hillary clinton and bill clinton, and all that clinton campaign means. because we feel like we're up against major machine here. >> all right, that's donald trump's newly minted campaign manager, kellyanne conway. how will trump change. how will it reset. joining us to talk about it is angela rye, and executive director of the black caucus. lonnie chen, political commentator and mitt romney director, and donald trump supporter. great to have you all here. >> thank you. >> angela, what do you think this means? is there a shift that we're about to see in donald trump's campaign and in the election going forward? >> so this is the third shift, right, and this is just august. so i'm curious to know what
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exactly will be different. of course, we heard let trump be trump. we heard that he would pivot. we heard that he said he would be so presidential, he would be boring. and yet and still -- >> that didn't happen. >> the boring part. >> that's very true. never boring. and still never trump. but the one thing i think is really interesting is this pivot never quite really happened. now you see the partial pivot, let's go back to what he knows very well. i think the hard part is, that's a primary strategy that does not grow the tent that they talk about, needing to expand. so it will be interesting to see. >> lonnie, having been involved in mitt romney's campaign, what do you see here going on with trump now? >> well, i think the big question is not about the advisors, it is always about the candidate. what can the candidate do. if you heard kellyanne this morning in her interview, that was like chicken soup for the republican soul, talking about repealing obama care, regulations, taxation. those are key and cornerstone republican issues. it gives the republicans so-called establishment some
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comfort that they'll go against prosecuting hillary clinton and if that's the case, then i think people have greater comfort. but ultimately, the bigger issue is can donald trump get there. can he be the candidate that runs as the traditional candidate. so far he hasn't been. >> the shake-up is the poll numbers, let's look at them. this shows donald trump's deficit at the moment, this was just released tuesday. it is a monmouth university, clinton 48%, donald trump, 38%, jill stein, 1%. do you think they can turn this around? >> absolutely. there are a lot of florida polls that show it closer, somewhere within 4 or 5 points. when you look at these state polls, you'll notice in every single one, both candidates are under 50%. what that says, a lot of undecided voters in this election, the debate moment will be a huge moment for donald trump to present his message and
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bring the 18% of undecided voters, those willing to change his mind into his fold. >> the executive vice-president of the trump organization, michael cohen, had a -- what's so funny? >> says who? >> what do you know i'm about to play for you all? >> clip heard around the world. >> you are doing an impression of michael cohen right now, because he was on with brianna keilar yesterday, and about those polls, he was like nothing to see, see no evil, hear no evil. watch this. >> you say it is not a shake-up. but you guys are down. and it makes -- >> says who? says who? >> most of them. all of them. >> says who? >> polls. i just told you. i answered your question. >> okay, which polls? >> all of them. >> okay. >> i know these guys are dying to talk about this. but kaleigh, let me go to you.
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that was not the best message from michael cohen. what was that about. >> i appreciate his optimism. i like that about him. kellyanne acknowledged this morning in the interview that they are behind. she likes being behind because that means you're going to fight to get out of it and you're incentivized, hillary clinton is taking some days off, that's not a good strategy. i like being behind, i like that. but i appreciate the optimism from michael cohen. >> let's talk about that, lonnie, you were on the mitt romney campaign and those, some people on that campaign or at least pundits did not recognize what polls were telling them. do you see a parallel here? >> polling is tough, right, because it is a snapshot in time. you're always tempted to read more than are there. i think the challenge is when you don't acknowledge reality, and what is going on. is there even a recognition that something is happening here. obviously, there has to be, right. they shook up the campaign. they changed the leadership.
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there is a recognition that things have to be different. so that was an entertaining interview for us to watch, but the american people see that, and think boy, these guys seem out of touch. >> michael cohen did not get the reality memo before he went on the air. we have him on all the time. he is a nice guy, but that was -- that was an amusing moment. he just did not want to -- look at the numbers. >> well, and i think that type of denial to lonnie's point is very dangerous. you see kellyanne today, and i tweeted after your interview with her, she is like a breath of fresh air. she is exactly what the campaign needs. the messaging that she is on, i don't think that her candidate can tow that messaging line. a true reflection of his candidate. steve bannon, a true reflection, i don't know what's next, he is running out of leadership spots at the trump campaign. >> what's the feeling with the trump campaign and where they are? >> i think this week was a great week. look, for the first time we saw
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donald trump tailor his message, we saw him sit at a table with national security advisors, we saw him get his first classified briefing. this was a good week. two on message speech, and if he can do this week for the rest of the campaign, he'll win the election and people want a difference. >> all right, we are going to leave it there. thank you very much for analyzing all of this. let's get over to chris. all right, coming up, he got the silver, but she got something better than that. an olympic jumper's biggest prize in rio, was not his pled dal. what am i talking about? i'm not giving it away. we've got a great story for you coming out of our olympians in rio, next. ♪ mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas. my job? my job at exxonmobil?
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so we have a special good stuff for you this morning. we're talking about a golden moment for a silver medalist. will clay won the silver medal for his finish in the men's triple jump, but when the competition ended, he took another leap towards the stands, carrying the american flag, and he proposed to his long time girlfriend and fellow olympian, queen harrison and the lovebirds join us now, live from rio. queen, how surprised were you by that moment? >> i'm still surprised, like i literally have no voice right now, still from screaming, and
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just being overwhelmed with joy. so i did not see that coming. >> all right, you guys did great in the olympics, we don't want to let that get away from us. we want to congratulate you and thank you for representing the country well. but clay, did you know that you were going to do this? take us through your process here. >> i knew i was going to do it that morning, but before then, i didn't know when the day would come that i would propose to this lady here. i had the ring for a while. during the competition, i was telling my brother last night, during the competition, i looked up in the stands and i kept looking at queen, like this is about to be the lady that i'm with for the rest of my life. on one of my jumps, i got a teary-eyed before i took off and it felt like the perfect thing to do at the moment. i was trying to figure out a way to get in the stands. there is a 20 foot drop between
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the track and stands, so the fans picked me up and lifted me up in there, and i finally got to my family an queen. >> after scaring us half to death. >> i popped the question and she said yes. >> oh, my gosh. claye, is it true you didn't know if she would say yes? >> i knew she would say yes. i feel like we knew that the next step in our relationship was coming soon. it was just a matter of me making it a surprise, you know. i think had it been any other time, she wouldn't have been surprised. she probably would have saw it coming. i think this was the perfect way to surprise her. >> the element of surprise, key to any long lasting marriage. how were you wearing the ring when you're wearing the skin tight clothes for the competition. >> i had it in my back pack, it was in the bottom of my back pack, tucked away.
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when i finished jumping and i got my flag, i went to my back pack, and i was digging in there, and i couldn't find it. i'm like, oh, man, don't tell me that. so i'm just searching, and it was actually in one of my pair of shoes, and i just grabbed it, and then i was just running back and forth trying to find a way to get into the standing. >> so queen, when you saw him scrambling into the stands, what did you think was happening? >> well, i just thought like sometimes after competition, he'll jump into the stands and hug his family, his mom, us. we'll congratulate him and give him a bunch of love. then he bent down, oh, what did he drop. i'm like touching his face, like are you okay. and then i'm like, wait a minute. the only thing you're dropping is my jaw, because literally, i could not believe he was doing that. i was stunned. like i had a face like this, because i really wanted to concentrate on what he was saying. there were so many people
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around, but somehow, it felt like it was just us two. i was focused on every word he said, and it was perfect. >> do you remember those words? can you share them with us? >> i do. oh, my gosh. i don't know, man, we try to keep a little privacy, but it was just the perfect things to say, and it had me at the first word. >> oh, that's so beautiful. >> you're tearing up. >> no, allergies. >> allergies. >> don't do that, man. don't do that, don't that. >> we've had enough tears for everybody. >> that's really beautiful. what are your first plans, guys, now that you're champions and engag engaged? >> man, right now, i mean, it is so difficult, because it is like what do we focus on. i'm so ecstatic, he jump aid personal lifetime best on his first jump. got the silver.
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i'm so excited about this. this came secondary right now. once we get home, we'll debrief and i just want to hear the entire story. he is sharing it with the word, but i need the little private, him telling ee me the entire story and then start planning, i guess. >> your fiancee is aptly named. her engagement ring comes second. i have never heard that in my entire life. >> she is amazing. >> you guys are both amazing. >> hold on to her. >> you're both amazing, will claye, queen harrison. >> i got her. >> thank you for sharing your story with us. great to meet you guys. >> thank you for having us. >> i love the idea. he won the silver, but he brought home the gold by getting queen to say yes. we leave you with that note. "newsroom" starts with carol costello after this quick break. this week sharpie twelve-packs just three dollars.
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