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support the mass deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants. >> come in illegally, we have a lot of people that want to come in through the legal process. it's not fair for them. we're working with a lot of people in the hispanic community to try to come up with an answer. >> you're not flip-flopping? >> no. we want to come up with a fair but firm answer. it has to be very firm. >> she's following this part of the campaign. a lot of this started with this new tact in the campaign which is to try to reach out to my minority voters. people seem to be confused as to what's coming. what is going to be the policy when it comes to immigration? >> that's right. there are a will the of mixed
messages coming from the trump campaign right now. trump had this meeting over the weekend with newly formed hispanic advisory board of his made up of his supporters. leaving that meeting there was some indication that many of the meeting participants, some of them left with the impression that donald trump was softening some of his stances on immigration and the use of this so-called deportation force. one of the proposals that he had during the campaign. his campaign manager was on with c nrks nrknn dana bash and said policy is not something that is set in stone. here is what she had to say. >> they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country, they'll be brought back. >> does donald trump still support that, a deportation removing the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants? >> what he supports, and if you go back to his convention
speech, what he supports is to make sure that we enforce the law, that we are respectful of those american who is are looking for well paying jobs and that we are fair and
humane for those who live among us in this country. as the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan. >> there that include a deportation force, the kind you heard in the sound bite and what he talked about in the republican primaries? >> to be determined. >> donald trump is said to give a major policy address this week on immigration reform. potentially, we could get some clarification on this. keep in mind, as we're getting these mixed messages, this is donald trump's signature issue. his hard line stance on immigration has been a hallmark of his campaign. this sets up a big reversal for him. >> live for us. thank you for that. joining me to talk more about
trump's prospects are helena and gop strategist anna navarro. helena, you were in the meeting. why is it that some folk, sources, i should say, are saying it did seem like things might be changing on the trump front when it comes to those 11 million undocumented workers and what will happen to them. others say they came out completely confused and not knowing what his policy was. give me your take. >> mr. trump never said what his
policy would be. he was clear he wanted to hear from the advisory board as to what they considered were important and what were the issues of concern for the community, which were others, aside from immigration like jobs, economy and national security. specifically, he was open to hearing what they wanted to say and he never said the word legalization.
he never said the word deportation. out of all the things that we talked about, it was the one area where he sat, listened, took notes and didn't comment at all. there's no way for any of us to know what he's going to do or say when it comes to immigration policy. he was thoughtful in hearing everyone out. >> anna, that's what we're hearing from many of the people who have reported back. when we reached out to you, i love your response to one of our producers, you don't get to use the hispanic community as a pinata and come back and make nice. he launched his campaign on the theme that mexicans were rapists and criminals and bringing crime over to the united states. he did say some of them were good. he has then gone onto make so many offensive statements. he questioned the ability of
judge curiel. an american born citizen of mexican heritage to do his job as a judge because of his mexican heritage. he told jeb bush to stop speaking mexican. he kicked out the two leading network anchors from events. told jorge to go back to univision. he guess he forgot it's adjacent to his property in miami. it's been a barrage of offensive, outrageous remarks. he's been kicking us like puppies. >> i have to say that has nothing to do with immigration reform. >> i let you speak and i'm enough to remember when you used to tweet against donald trump and when you used to be offended as i am by the things what donald trump had to say. >> i'm more offended by what hillary clinton has done. you can be as offended as you
want. i'm more offended by what hillary clinton has done and what she hasn't done. quiet frankly, i'm offended she pan panders to our community. i'm offended that democrats get the hispanic vote and do nothing every time. if we're going to talk about immigration reform and how to solve the problem of immigration, fwheeds this kind of leadership to be able to bring it forward. hillary clinton has zero accomplishments. donald trump has many more accomplishments of the private sector. if she was in the private sector, she would have been fired. >> let me respond. i've been very critical in the past of president obama for not fulfilling his promise to latinos. i have been critical of democrats and republicans using the immigration issue as a pawn issue, as a wedge issue. i have been critical of hillary clinton. she was the first voice to call
for the immediate deportation of minors at the border. i was one of the first voices to call her out for that. she has changed her tune. now, i have never heard barack obama or hillary clinton and frankly most republicans use the racist remarks and racist language that i have heard donald trump use for the last year. when you question a man's abilities to do his job as a judge because of his heritage, that's called bigotry. >> i will say this, many in those meeting did say they were as upset with president obama's deportation over the last eight years as well saying he's deported more than any president in the past. that said, this is the bigger question. i feel as if i were, you know, not here legally, i would be sitting on pins and needles wondering what the policy was going to be. we're 78 days away. helen, shouldn't we know by now what the immigration policy of
the republican leader is? by this point, shouldn't we be real clear? >> what should be clear is we get the right policy in place more than put it on our time line. when you look at the campaigns don't really begin and people don't begin to focus on policy and details until right around this time or after labor day. more than putting a timetable on it, you know, immigration is a very complex issue. there are a lot of moving parts. let's get it right and let's get a leader that's not going to pander and promise and never come into the promises. when we go all across the nation we find people who are telling us that they are tired of professional politicians who continuously promise and have no intention of fulfilling. this is one area where i really do believe that donald trump will fulfill the promise. not the promise, he's going to
commit to solving immigration reform. >> i do feel like it's been 14 months. it's been 14 months since he descended that escalator and talked about building a wall. >> he was in a primary. >> well, it's been 14 months running for the leadership, to be the candidate where he's had ample time to craft a policy and communicate a policy. >> he's been working on this part. you will be hearing the policy soon enough. >> i hope so. god, i hope so. >> you'll be hearing it soon enough. >> there are a lot of really nervous people throughout. >> i misspoke when i said if i were living here illegally. i'm on pins and needles for the people who are are. i don't want to see trains going through the u.s. and shipping them out in the darkness of night. i think that's inhumane. if this leader wants to be humane, that's a policy he's
going to have to come to grips with. i hope we find it soon. >> there's pain on all sides of this issue. there's pain for those who are undocumented. >> notwithstanding. >> those that live on the border. >> without question. >> they are in pain as well. >> your spot on. thank you so much. it's a painful topic and maybe throughout the rest of this week you and i can meet again and talk about what will be announced if we're expected to get more policy details throughout the week. watching this from opposite ends of the country are cnn senior political analyst. hi. i'm hoping you could hear that. did you both hear that? >> yes. >> this is a concern.
this is a very passionate concern. anna navarro is always passionate. it's painful subject. i don't know where this middle ground can come from. ron, help me. >> first of all, her passion is a reflection of donald trump in the hispanic community. he's on track for the biggest deficit ever for a republican. there are large scale poll of hispanics have put his support in the teens. even mitt romney reached 27%. for him to be talking about moving away from mass deportation, that's at the upper end, that would be at the upper end of policy switches for flip-flops, whatever you want to call it that i can recall ever among from a primary to a general election. just underscore. this was a corner stone of his primary message and appeal. he talked about it repeatedly. he compared it to operation wetback which was an eisenhower administration to remove people from the u.s. he said it could be done like that. it's worth pointing out that if
you look back through the exit polls in the primary, they asked voters what to do with the people who are here, undocumented people here. less than a majority said deport them. people who supported deportation voted for trump in large numbers that the deportation advocates for a majority of his voters in every state except wisconsin and new york. for him to switch now would be a remarkable shift from the argument that he used to build a coalition that won him the nominee. >> if we were to say flip-flop, he said this is not flip not. we don't know the policy. would he be able to close a gap if we were to flip-flop? the nbc wall street journal poll has clinton at 76% of hispanic vote to trump's 14%. you just saw on your screen, the fox news poll has clinton at 66%
to trump's 20% support among hispanics. if he were to flip-flop, would he be able to close the gap in a meaningful way and would he literally drive away all those people who have driven him to the leadership role he's in now because they loved his message of get rid of them. get them out of here. >> to close the gap in a meaningful way would be not only to surpass what mitt romney was getting with his ppanic voters 2012 but to try to get back to something like george w. bush was getting in 2004. that's so hard to imagine. right now he has phrases that have become synonymous with his entire campaign. build a wall, mexico's going to pay for it. mexicans coming over the border swarming as drug dealers and rapist and deportation force.
that's going beyond what romney was talking about about self-depself-d self-deportation. he made this vague assertion that he felt regret toward comments that he made that caused people personal pain. we still don't know what that referred to. if it was referring to hispanic that might be offended, they'll be looking for a lot more than just an apology. a flip-flop of that proportion though goes exactly to your second point which it could alienate vast numbers of his supporters who have taken as an article of faith that this guy will follow through. >> they might be the ones who will give him the break if he shot the gun down fifth avenue. i want to touch on something that donald trump said. it made a lot of headlines. he's reach inin ining out to
african-americans saying what the hell do you have to lose. mike pence was asked about this. she asked him what exactly did he mean by that. have a look. >> donald trump is not a experienced politician who carefully selects his words. he speaks right from his heart and his mind. what you heard this week is a leader who is determined to make america great for every one in this country. >> i think a lot of people would say, okay. doesn't it take decades to win over a demographic, ron. >> i think this is very similar to what we're seeing with hispanics. he's starting in an enormous hole. there's national polls at 2% among african-americans, even
lower than mitt romney was in part because of his birther issue. it may be that the real goal in talking about this is not that they expect to improve significantly with hispanics or african-americans, this may be about trying to reassure white moderat moderates, polling tells us that 60% of college educated whites say donald trump is racially biassed against women. this may be about trying to convince those white swing voters that he is not, in fact, racially biassed than having real big expectations of changing what he's on track for which are historically low numbers with this growing, increasingly white electorate. >> hold one second. i did hear a criticism this morning on our air that we've been sticking to one poll only when you say clinton had 91% support of african-americans to trump's 1%.
i asked our producers to dig up as many as they could. i got four. abc poll is 92 to 2. fox poll is 85 to 1% and the pugh is 95 to 2. can you stick around. >> turning around the numbers will be hard. look at where donald trump is advertising right now to ron's point. in the philadelphia suburbs. in place where is there are white moderate republicans. >> patrick, can you stick around? i want you both to come back. we're flat out of time in this segment. i want to hear more from you. next, tis the season hillary clinton spending $80 million in just eight states for a whole lot of tv attack time. will he be able to get more free media than she does? is all free media good media? good questions as we count down to the election. you tell your insurance company they made a mistake.
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the crap out of him, seriously. >> clear thinking. >> i know more about isis than the generals do. >> in the meantime, donald trump is responding with an attack ad of his own involving the clinton foundation. in statement he said it's clear that the clinton foundation is the most corrupt enterprise in political history. what they were doing during crooked hillary's time as secretary of state was wrong then and it's wrong now. it must be shut down immediately. i want to bring back cnn senior political analyst.
these are really strident words when you say this is the most corrupt enterprise in political history. yet, ron, we're not seeing hillary clinton refuting this. she sticks to this message of trump is dangerous. does she need to do something to offset the damage that donald trump is doing because a lot of people go off bumper stickers. >> they feel like maintaining the sense that trump is not qualified to be president, which 60% of the public says in polls is their ultimate firewall. that's their top priority. this issue is one of many in which all the complexity of clinton world have converged over her campaign. i mean, the clinton foundation has done a lot of good things in a lot of places on aids drug, on nutrition and the roll of women and girls in the developing world. it's kind of unprecedented to have an institution of this magnitude headed by a former president while his spouse is in
a major role as president of united states. it's going to be difficult, if she does get elected president, i think they will find it difficult to maintain anything like this while she's president. there's challenges with bill clinton, you would want him as a close advisor and this would be a back door way to influence him. i think this will be a story ongoing not only through the election but after if she wins. >> one question about rudy giuliani. he's back to talking about hillary clinton's health issues. he said go ahead and google it. if you google me, i can't tell you the crazy stuff that i read. the internet is full of crap. hillary clinton doesn't have the same sort of attack line or conspiracy theorists in chief out there for her. does she need that? >> i don't think she does.
i think -- all of these kind of, the more heated the accusations get against clinton, the more it misses the point. a majority of the voters made clear they have lots of reservations about hillary clinton on lots of different fronts. 60% of americans say donald trump is not qualified and nearly as many say is racially biassed and unfair to women. unless donald trump can change that, adding more doubts about hillary clinton will not solve his problem. the reckless charges about hillary clinton only add to those doubts about whether donald trump is stable, secure and kind of responsible enough to be president. i would say this line of attack would be counter productive if you think about donald trump's real problem with the voters and where he needs to get which are college educated white voters where he's markedly underperforming and the least likely to respond to these kinds of wild accusations.
>> thank you for that. appreciate it. coming up next, virginia's democratic governor defined republicans and the court by restoring voting rights to thousands of felons just in time for a tight presidential race. will the order hold up? just how quickly can he sign his name to restore voting rights one by one.
that governor is the democratic governor of virginia. he's been on a mission to reinstate the voting rights of felons. here is what he said at the top of the hour in richmond. >> today we are here to talk about an issue of basic justice. the restoration of civil rights. this is an issue i've been passionate about for many years. i believe in the power of second chances and in the dignity and worth of every single human being. these individuals are gainfully employed. they send their children and their grand children to our schools. they shop in our grocery stores and they pay taxes. i am not content to condemn them for eternity as inferior second class citizens. >> joining us now is cnn legal analyst danny savalas. that all sounds nice to say give
people a second chance but it also sounds really democratic because those tend to be democratic voters that he's reinstating. the bigger issue is the numbers. he tried to reinstate through executive order 200,000 like that. the court said no. 13,000 scooted through and yet he still thinks he's going to be able to get those other ones registered. how can he do that? >> there's a lot of twist and turns here. governors have the power of clemency, the power to pardon inmates, former inmates and this in case, the court, in doing this smack down, as you put it. said the governor's clemency power is broad but it is not absolute. i thought if the governor has the power to pardon, that sounds pretty absolute to me. depending on whatever the states rules are individually. in case like this, people say can states even disenfranchise
voters, felons for their record? most people are surprised to find that states can do this. voter disenfranchisement based an your felon record is actually provided for in the 14th amendment. while it feels incredibly discriminatory, it's a brand that's not only permitted by the constitution but endorsed by it. >> to be super clear, the court came down on the former dnc chair because they said he went way too broad with the 200,000. he didn't look through the details to find out who they were. within that, 132 sex offenders still in custody. several convicted murders on probation living in other states. that's pretty messy. does that mean that the court has said you can't do it with a big pool. you have to look at each individual case which means get your auto pen and however fast you can auto pen each one,
that's the number of people you will reinstate. >> governor has this power to pardon but we've just never seen this before. we've never seen thousands and thousands of people pardoned at once. therefore, something must be wrong. i'm summoning up a well reasoned opinion by his honor but this is their argument. >> all right. thank you for that. we'll continue to watch to see how many he's able to do before election time. for now it's 13,000. next, what could possibly be worse than flood waters swamping thousands and thousands of home? how about the misery left once the waerter clears out. you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals.
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i'm calling it the "name your price tool" phase. whatever. you've seen the outside of all of those homes under water in louisiana. just you wait until you see what they look like inside. president obama is heading there tomorrow for a first hand look at this mess. we've reported that 40,000 homes were damaged but today we got new numbers. it's closer to 60,000 homes. to give you a sense of the scope of the devastation, baton rouge and the surrounding perishes that got 20 plus inches of rain in one day, that amounts to the size of new jersey. just picture it. roughly the size of new jersey under all that water.
nearly seven trillion gallons of rain fell. sloshed through that community wreaking havoc. what's the president going to see when he gets there? >> reporter: exactly what you see behind me. this is what all of that water left behind when it began to recede. you see people's belongings now stacked high in neighborhoods all across louisiana. you mention that number. yes, about 60,000. let's give you a look at one of those. you see the home from the outside. looks like it was spared much of the flood and damage. i want to take you inside so you can see what greets you when you walk in through the door. this is what homes in most much of the southern louisiana look like. you have families now coming together and beginning the long, pain. and emotional process of cleaning out. drew, we've spoken to you
before. you told us about your losses, what you're experiencing today. how soon do you think it will be before you're sitting in this living room with your family again? >> at least two, two and a half months depending on who we can get. right now we just pretty much going through, this mold control we use to spray. once that dries, a day later, we come backseat with clorox and water. got to make sure everything is ki killed. >> you've had help from dozens of people. now it's you, your wife and kids. >> my wife right here got allergies been assisting us. my son is over there spraying the clorox. it's a long job. >> what do you want the rest of the country to know? what do you want president obama to know? >> me and my wife both have good jobs. we make average. we're middle class people.
we hope they don't discriminate when it comes to giving fema support to us. we took a big hit with our contents and we lost everything. we have flood insurance, which will take care of the house but as far as the con tetents in ite lost everything. >> i know you have a lot of work to do. he's been giving us perspective and adding a face to what is massive issue here. there's so many families. at least, 60,000 homes that have been damaged. that's just a preliminary number. state officials went through neighborhoods and contacted what they call wind shield assessment. looking out the window and counting. until fema has the official numbers then we'll have a real idea of how much damage was left behind and as you just heard, they are among the lucky ones. they have flood insurance and place to stay. 3,000 people woke up in shelters this morning. >> if you call it a place to stay. they've lost all their contents. like you said, flood insurance is extra and in addition to. many people in the community
where you are were told that wasn't going to be an issue like them. a rain like that could never fall in a thousands years. this is a crisis of magnitude. keep on it and keep telling us these stories. we'll continue to cover this. thank you. if there's anything good that can come out of this louisiana flooding disaster, it's this. the community. the country, all coming together to help those in need. coming up next, how the red cross is responding to the devastating floods and how you can also get on this band wagon. they need you. they need you more than you know. you'll find out, next. marcopolo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! sì? polo! marco...! polo! scusa? ma io sono marco polo, ma... marco...! playing "marco polo" with marco polo? surprising. ragazzini, io sono marco polo. sì, sono qui...
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louisiana last week. president obama is visiting tomorrow. hillary clinton announced she will visit but not right away. in a statement she said i'm committed to visiting communities affected by the flood at a time when the presence of a political campaign low pressure not disrupt the response to discuss how we can and rebuild together. she also asked supporters of her campaign to give what they can to the red cross. he's live with me now with the backdrop that i just cannot stress is going to be a repeated scene all throughout that state. thank you for being with me. let's talk raw facts and raw numbers. the red cross has been able to raise only $5 million thus far in this catastrophe. you're going to need close to 30 million. how are you going to bridge that gap?
>> good question. we're really committed to being here in louisiana. both in the days to come and months to come and quite frankly years. we're relying upon the generosity of the american public. we know there's a significant cap with our fund raising efforts. >> i don't know what the greatest need is. we weren't sure that the rescues had ended by air time. we just had an interview saying that the le blanc family lost everything out of their house. there's people who have no home. what is the greatest need. sheltering people. helping them to restore contents so they can live in their homes once again? is it food, clothing, what is it? >> excellent question. we're focusing on sheltering and providinining hope. a lot of our volunteers just need a sounding board.
to make sure that the days and weeks ahead have a path. >> i have heard from a friend of mine even told me she's loading up trailers in texas and heading to where you are on wednesday with donations and volunteers. there's so heartsick at the pictures they're seeing. you must be hearing story after story like that. >> we are. we're really begging the american people to hold tight on the being kind donations. it's paralyzing our ability to shelter and feed people and provide that spiritual and emotional care that people need. every tractor trailer that comes with used goods, we're having to pull front line volunteers and actually work through sorting and making sure that we are warehousing space. hold tight on the donations.
>> you don't mean to hold d donatio donations. get on phone, get online, open up your wallets. it isn't christmas but this is a gift they need desperately. they just need money. >> you're right. i was meeting with a client no more than ten minutes after getting off the airport. hurricane katrina survivor. these are people that have deep, sincere wounds and we're making sure that those stories are being heard. the power of presence and by mobilizing the donations of the american people, financial donations. we know we can help the people of louisiana. >> i don't want this to be a telethon, but if i can do anything to help you, i want to repeat once again. you've raised 5 million. you're going to need 30 million. that's one-sixth of the way. we have one viewer who reached out after an interview to the salvation army and gave a
million dollars after watching the interview on our air. if there's anybody out there that has the same capacity, no matter how large, no matter how small, the red cross needs you. in the interim, bridging the gap between now, which is crisis mode, waters aren't all flooded out yet from this region and when fema can take hold and start sending some of that federal money, are you going to be able to make it? are you going to be able to bridge that gap? will fema be able to do what's needed there? >> it's going to take all agencies. we're committed to the people of louisiana and obviously really just pledging commitment to staying here on the ground but we will rely upon the generosity of the american people. anything whether it's a dollar or a million dollars goes a long way to help those individuals that are in need. >> you do good work. god bless you. thank you for what you're doing
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