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you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. that you c thank you for being with me on this monday. we begin with what could become the biggest flip-flop for the white house. donald trump is pushing back on reports he may be softening his stance on immigration, a signature plank in his rise to the gop ticket. questions about donald trump's policy were raised after a weekend meeting with hispanic advisors to his campaign where trump reportedly said he wanted a "humane and efficient way" to deal with undocumented immigrants in this country. leading a lot of folks to wonder if he is perhaps backing down from his early ambitions. just a reminder to all of you,
up until this point, mr. trump has always said the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the u.s. need to go, leave the country by force if necessary. here's a reminder. >> are they going to be ripped out of their homes? how? >> they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country, they'll be back from that country. >> you're rounding them all up? >> we're rounding them up in a humane way and nice way and they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized? >> they will go out. they will come back -- some will come back, the best -- through a process. they have to come back legally. >> kellyanne conway admitting on cnn the release of a specific immigration plan has gone -- has gone from asap to tbd. >> as
the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the united states.
>> that that plan include a deportation force, the kind you heard in that soundbite and that he talked about during the republican primaries? >> to be determined. >> >> thus the conversation. meantime, hillary clinton has her own steep hill to climb with breaking news in the investigation to into the use of a private e-mail server. the state department we're hearing now could release thousands upon thousands of new documents uncovered in the fbi investigation just before the november presidential election. we have both sides covered for you, of course, let's begin with sunlen serfaty who joins me in washington on the trump camp. we know mr. trump has told fox news he wants a fair but firm immigration system. what does that mean? >> that's a good question, brooke. we have the same question, too. we await donald trump's definition of what "fair and firm" means because quite frankly right now there still are a lot of mixed messages
coming from trump and his campaign. we heard him this morning on the defensive saying, look, i'm not flip-flopping on this, insisting he's not having a change in policy but then you have
this meeting that he has with his newly formed hispanic council made up of his supporters and some sources in that meeting told cnn they weren't clear what his position on immigration is and many also indicated that he could -- they thought he might be softening his positions and then you had, as you pointed out, kellyanne conway, his campaign manager, saying his policy that he had during the primary for deportation force tis tbd. i.e., not set in stone at all. trump will give anddress on immigration reform where we believe there will be clarification but there are more questions than answers and all of this is so notable not only where we are in this race but
for the fact that immigration is such a core part of donald trump's campaign from the very beginning. it's been such a hallmark, especially the hard-line stance he's taken so it sets ttential >> we'll listen to those details thursday. in the meantime, trump is in ohio where a new poll has been released. i understand hillary clinton has a lead by how much? >> a big battleground state always seems ohio really is the state in the end. right now clinton has a small edge, four-point lead, not by much. there you see them 43% to 39%. i was struck when we're talking about these candidates going to ohio, reaching out to working class voters i was struck with one other number when they asked voters who's looking out for you, neither, frankly, did very
well but clinton has a slight edge 42% to trump's 38%. >> sunlen serfaty, thank you so much. let me bring in my panel, maeve reston is with us, al cardenas is back, the head of the latin america practice group, he previously served as the chairman for the florida republican party and john phillips is with us, cnn political commentator, talk radio host and trump supporter. great to have you on. john, we heard trump say fair but firm. we heard kellyanne say tbd. do you know what that means. >> unless you're little kim in make, no one will get 100% of what they want. it was what james madison talked about, warring factions going for their own piece of the pie
and ending up with a result we can live with. in the primary trump took the hawkish position on the border. at the time the front-runner took a position that was closer to where his brother was. republican primary voters sided with donald trump over jeb bush. >> overwhelmingly. >> that's right. he's going to push the country in that direction but he knows he'll have to take half a loaf. president obama said we'll have a public option, illegal aliens will have health care. when he started negotiating, what happened? he took the elements out. that's what happens in america. >> as i'm listening to you very, very carefully when you say "half a loaf" that to me leads to a potential open iing in -- don't know if you want to call it a flip-flop, a reversal of hard line stance on policy but are you telling me that perhaps when we hear from mr. trump thursday that the deportation
force may be a thing of the past? >> i don't think it will be a flip-flop. i think if he gets elected he'll push the country in the direction of who has more control. a flip-flop would be what hillary clinton did on tpp where she said it was the gold standard then said she was against it and then -- >> but on mr. trump -- appreciate the tpp note on hillary clinton, you're not the only one to point on evolution there out. but al let me bring you in, you're hearing this conversation. you heard us talking about half a loaf. what are you hearing when you hear "tbd" and "fair and firm" a and maybe changing? >> as someone who wants immigration reform, comments just made are great except we've been at this for ten years with people more willing to compromise than donald trump so my prospects are dim that we'll get immigration reform done. the big question is will he deport everyone? that's what the whole $50
million population hispanic community is looking at and we'll see what he says thursday i can't see him walking away, that's what built this base, that's what people are mostly advocating so i don't see him moving much. he's advocated deporting everybody then letting in people we think meet certain criteria. i don't know how that works the whole idea is the mind-set and optics of taking away from their homes at midnight. that's what got the hispanic so upset. he's got less than 20% support, less than three months to go. we'll see what he says thursday. at this point in time meeting with 17 leaders and the community a year before the election sounded like a good first step but we're at the state where he should be meeting with thousands, not 17. i'm glad he meet with leaders, i like some people in the room with him, they would give good advice but we'll see if it's too
little too late. >> maeve, what about al's point that with what trump has said has so totally upset -- when you hear phrases like "build a wall" "deportation force" "drug dealers, rapists" and we talk about the coalition that built and won those primaries if he were to soften on his stance, what's the biggest net gain versus net loss between hispanics and those who like what he had to say? >> i think that will be the most interesting question we'll watch as he goes to colorado and nevada to deliver these messages. he was incredibly specific about the deportation force. he modeled it on the so-called operation wetback under eisenhower which of course was using a slur at that time and a lot of hispanic voters were really offended by that message from donald trump. they rounded up people on ranches and took then back on
buses and cargo boats so there's a lot of history here with hispanic voters that he's going to have to smooth over and explain what he meant when he said operation wetback was the model for his policies. and not only that, i mean, he is certainly walking a tricky line here where clearly the people he has brought into his campaign were most fired up by his immigration policies. that's the first thing they will tell you at the rallies when grow and talk to his supporters and if he softens a little bit in these last 11 weeks, how much of a risk does he take of losing those people at the same time on the other hand, you know, a lot of these hispanic voters probably won't trust this new message because it's so different than what he said in the past. >> a convention is supposed to set the tone and the theme of your campaign in the home stretch, what i remember at our convention is sheriff arpaio with a wall in the background as
he gave his speech and i also remember that most-said slogan during the convention by the delegates was "build a wall." now building a wall is not offensive, what the rhetoric is, is. so the optics are clearly stated through the convention, how he comes across differently than i of the convention would take a ma magician. >> john? >> well, when you're -- >> let me have john respond to that. >> when you pivot and move towards the general election you're dealing with a different electorate so there are ways of talking about the issue that have a broader appeal. even going back into the primaries when he would talk about the wall he would talk about the magnificent door that would be part of the wall. when you have greater control over what comes in and out of the country that not only benefits the united states, there are aspects that benefit other countries. he could talk about, for example, the fact that we don't have a lot of control over the
guns that unfortunately go from the united states to mexico that fuel the violence that happens south of the border. if you have more control over what's going on, then you can prevent that violence. he should spend more time talking about those issues. >> but do you think -- let's say this thursday with this whole tbd he softens his stance a tad on immigration. how worried would you be about that group of voters, that coalition he built during the primaries? do you think they are so, you know, supportive of mr. trump as is that it wouldn't matter come november 8? >> he'll still push the country in a hawkish position. barack obama didn't lose the left wing of the democratic party when he dropped the public option or health care for illegal immigrants. it's just part of what happens. >> so you wouldn't be worried? >> no, i think trump supporters will be with him moving on to november. he's not going to lose.
>> john phillips, al cardenas, maeve reston, thank you very much on trump and immigration. coming up next, though, let's talk hillary clinton and the headline her campaign did not want to see, this federal judge ordering the review of nearly 15,000 new documents. they're from her personal e-mail server. why could those come out now? how might that be an october surprise the clinton campaign would not want? and it is not a tv news network, it is donald trump's campaign team, both officially and unofficially. popular fox news personality has reportedly just signed on. we'll tell you who. plus -- >> look at my african-american over here! look at him. are you the greatest? >> remember that moment from a couple of months ago? we'll talk to the man donald trump singled out at a rally this year, he is a republican running for congress in california, african-american voter, not quite decided if trump is the guy. what does he think now about trump's outreach to african-american voters in this
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we're following breaking developments into the investigation into hillary clinton's use of her private e-mail server. a federal judge today gave the state department one month to lay out a plan and review and release nearly 15,000 more documents uncovered by the fbi these are documents not previously disclosed by secretary clinton's attorneys, republicans pouncing on the judge's order. rnc chairman reince priebus just gave this statement which reads in quote "the process for reviewing these e-mails needs to be expedited, public disclosure should begin before early voting starts and the e-mails in question should be released in full before election day." cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny is covering this part of the story for us today. do we have any idea what could
be in this document dump? >> we don't because these are e-mails that have not been turned over but we have seen so many thousands of e-mails before that it's likely most of them are of the same tone, the same variety here. the clinton campaign did not -- the clinton state department did not turn them over before so we don't know if they, a, are hiding something, or, b, they simply got lost in the shuffle here. the bigger picture here is that it is a drip, drip, drip that will continue until election day. these are part of a suit filed by this conservative watchdog group. now, the clinton campaign has pushed back in a new statement. let's look at that right now. it's from brian fallon. he said "as we have always said, hillary clinton provided the state department with all of the work-related e-mails she had in her possession in 2014. we are not sure what additional
materials the justice department may have located but if the state department determines any of them to be work-related obviously we support those documents being released publicly as well." so, brooke, the challenge here for the clinton campaign is they are trying to move beyond all of this. they are trying to talk about donald trump. that is what she wants her focus to be on but they can not get around a controversy that, as we all all remember, is of her own making when she decided to set up that private e-mail server all the way back in january of 20 2009. >> let me ask you, too, new developments today on the clinton foundation from former president bill clinton. what's the development today? >> bill clinton is outlining more specifically what they will do at the clinton foundation and he said in a letter to his supporters -- >> if she wins. >> if she wins, exactly. he says "if she is elected we will immediately implement the following changes. the foundation will accept
contributions only from u.s. citizens, permanent residents and u.s.-based independent foundations whose names we will continue to make public on a quarterly basis and we will change the official name from the bill, hillary, and chelsea clinton foundation to the clinton foundation." then he goes on to say he will step down from it. donald trump is calling for it to be shut down entirely so it adds fuel to questions about there t clintons overall but, again, these are interlinked, the e-mails and the foundation here. this is going to be background noise for the next 70 some odd days. >> 78 and counting. jeff zeleny, thank you very much. >> thanks, brooke. >> let me bring in mark preston, cnn politics executive order. and just first on this, to quote
jeff zeleny, the drip, drip, drip of the e-mails. might this be an october surprise that could affect the clinton campaign? >> strategically if you are a republican at this point, if you are helping run donald trump's campaign probably what you want to happen is for this to be discussed over and over again up until october. the idea that something might be hidden, that there might be something in the e-mails that could cause her embarrassment, could cause her pain, could be a political liability and then you want it to be unleashed in october at that point because it's so close to election day. now, the question is, is there anything in there that would matter to the american people and we don't know because we don't know what is in there. but to jeff's point right there, at this point this is a nagging injury right now for the clintons. it could become worse but most people right now would prefer, i think, to hear about how each candidate is going to deal with isis. how they're going to turn the
economy around. how they're going to save people's homes and what have you. but i don't want to underestimate how this could be damaging to the clintons if there is something in those e-mails. >> and we're hearing about those and there's a piece in the "washington post" talking about how confident the clinton campaign is. we just showed a poll in ohio, laying out her white house agenda and while i don't think -- i think there was a line in the piece that said i don't think she's measuring the draperies just yet for 1600 pennsylvania avenue, is this 78 days to go, normal for a candidate to do this or do you see this as a tad too confident? >> i think that the clinton campaign while it may look like they are quote/unquote measuring the drapes or looking beyond the election i seriously doubt that the strategists in brooklyn right now are thinking that way. we saw they laid out their $80
million advertising buy up through election day in key states they feel like they need to win in order to win the presidency. i don't think they're taking the eye off the ball nor do i think the trump campaign is either as they are girding for this really 50-yard dash to the finish line in november. >> you mentioned the ads. i wanted to ask you, we know today this one particular ad is hitting the airwaves being compared to the lyndon b. johnson era '64 barry goldwater, the famous daisy add. let me play first that initial 1964 daisy ad followed by the clinton campaign's ad
that is on tv today. >> 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. these are the stakes.
>> in times of crisis, america depends on steady leadership. >> knock the crap out of them, would you. >> thinking. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> how effective do you think that will be, mark preston? >> well, certainly i think it's effective in the sense that if you're trying to cast doubt on
whether donald trump is stable enough to have the nuclear co s codes, stable enough to be commander in chief, there are folks that have concerns and an ad like that will push him that way. it will be interesting to see what the trump campaign does, what their ad will be to counter that and the trump campaign has an ad out. it's going to get nasty as we're going forward and adslike that, just give us another month, they'll get even more fighting from both sides. >> i'm sure you are right. mark preston. thank you so much from washington. coming up next, donald
trump's vice presidential candidate, his running mate talks to cnn and he says despite new leadership at the top of the campaign, the man in charge has not changed. >> the man that is running this campaign is now and always has been donald trump. i couldn't be more honored to stand shoulder to shoulder with him. >> you will hear more from alisyn camerota's interview there with mike pence. also roger ailes, steve bannon and now reportedly a top fox news host, all media power players, said to be in some form of fashioned a vising donald trump is. why would he rely on people who have never run a political pam ca campaign, that's coming up.
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78 days to go until election day. donald trump is facing fresh criticism for his latest campaign shakeup changes. now on board the campaign is breitbart executive director steve bannon, as we've been reporting for the last week. the right wing media exec is known for his bare-knuckled unapologetic style that angered a number of women, a number of minorities in this country, two groups trump is trying to court. but his running mate mike pence says there's i don't think to worry about. governor pence tells alisyn camerota at cnn that trump has everything under control. >> in terms of steve bannon, he is controversial. let me read to you the headlines in breitbart lately. "big transhate machine."
"no bias against women, they just suck at interviews." "birth control makes women unattractive and crazy." are you comfortable with that flame throwing or insend area messaging? >> i think donald trump is bringing around him a team of people and steve and kellyanne and those that have been a part of this team for a long period of time that i think is delivering a message that is resonating with millions of americans. >> even if it's incendiary? >> donald trump is the name on the ticket. i'm honored to be on the ticket with him. >> with the addition of steve bannon, his conversations as we've been reporting with his quote/unquote old friend roger ailes, seems as though trump is adding media advisors. now you have a high profile fox news personality who could be helping as well. according to a piece in the "new york times," sean hannity offered trump, his family members, even campaign advisors
suggestions on strategy and messaging. in this piece, hannity is quoted as saying "do i talk to my friend who i've known for years and speak my mind? i can't not speak my mind," he says. the report going on to say hannity has been behaving as if he wants a role in trump's administration although when he was asked about that by the reporter he laughed it off. joining me now, senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources" brian stelter. it's a fascinating piece in the "times" but notable how hannity laughed so much of that off. >> right. >> how much is he having conversations with trump other than every hour at night? >> that's what's so interest, even what hannity says on the air can be construed as advice but according to the "times" it's in phone calls. this isn't necessarily a shock because hannity isn't pretending to be one thing behind the scenes and another on camera. he's the same off as on and i give him credit for that. he's not secretly giving clinton advice instead of trump it's
almost a reminder of how politics and media have plended if politics is a chocolate chip cookie and media is a brownie, this is a blondie. >> that was good. >> i haven't had lunch yet. that's what that's about. so it's blending and mixing in new ways, whether that's roger ailes, steve bonn nonrunning the campaign or sean hannity on the phone with trump giving advice. >> which leads to what trump's plans are post-election if he doesn't win. i know, i know. in this piece hannity said "i'm not hiding the fact that i want donald trump to be the next president of the united states. i never claimed to be a journalist." so on this potential of a trump media empire -- >> right. >> possibility? >> if donald trump were to lose the election, if he were to launch a television network i think sean hannity would be the first person logically who would be in line for his show. if we were going to dream up
trump tv sean hannity would be a prime time host. who knows what will happen during this election and after this election but it's an idea being talked about because donald trump has to do something with the energy and the audience he's cultivated. if he doesn't win the election, he's going to take that energy and use it somewhere else. no one knows how. >> we talk about cultivating an audience. at the same time trump has been doing fox for -- i know you're keeping track each and everyday and by the way hillary clinton not speaking to the media as much as we would like. >> think about what we're not seeing on television. we're not seeing donald trump and hillary clinton give the tv interviews you and i would like to see them do but donald trump's campaign is making a big deal out of the fact that hillary clinton has not given a press conference in 621 days. that's since last december a full-pledged press conference. she has other media availabilities but journalists on the campaign trail would like to see her give a press conference, the trump campaign is saying she's in hiding however the trump campaign isn't giving interviews either. he hasn't appeared on cnn or
other networks besides fox news. what trump keeps doing is appearing on sean hannity's show and fox's morning show almost the shelters, very favorable places for him. he's not going on other networks. >> but at this point in the general election cycle would it not behoove him to step outside the fox box? >> that's what a normal political strategist would say. in august of an election year you would appear on all the channels, all the major news outlets in order to reach undecided persuadable voters but trump isn't doing that and clinton not giving interviews, either. maybe she's just trying to sit on her lead. >> how many days? 261? >> 261. we'll see, there's only 77 days to go in this election. the pressure is building for her to give a press conference but so far she's been able to withstand it. >> let's keep holding both of their feet to the fire. brian stelter, thank you. we'll get you a blondie later. you're welcome. next, some called it offensive, donald trump's pitch to black voters friday night, and i quote "what have you got to lose?" next we will hear from an
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homes or getting out of town this is in two specific parts of miami-dade county. expectant mothers are heeding calls, fearful of devastating birth defects zika is thought to cause, including microcephaly. our senior medical correspondent got back from miami where what you talked to a mom to be who is leaving nothing to chance. what is she doing. >> that's right, brooke. as you'll see this mom knows what she's talking about and she says she is staying home as much as possible. carla mcguire helps her mother-in-law get her son's stroller out the door. that's it, mcguire stays behind while grandma plays with rafael. so mommy's at home and you're here? >> yes. >> reporter: that's because rafael's mother is pregnant in miami where zika is spreading.
>> and she knows what she's talking about. you're not just any other concerned pregnant lady. >> i'm an ob-gyn as well. >> she's an obstetrician and assistant professor at the university of miami. dr. mcguire is doing everything she can to protect rafael's future little brother. so we got to go out with rafael and his grandma but you had to stay home. is that hard? >> it is tough because one of the things i like doing with him since he's so energetic is playing outside so being inside and kind of entertaining myself inside is sad. >> reporter: she knows one bite could potentially give her baby microcepha microcephaly, a devastating birth defect. when things go wrong with zika, they go seriously wrong.
>> that's what people are concerned about. especially my pregnant ladies. >> reporter: dr. mcguire hardly leaves the house exseptember to go to work and when she does, she's slatherred in bug spray. so you have one, two, three, four bottled of bug spray. >> one in each bag i carry so i'm prepared at all times. >> her baby is due in february and until then fun with her son means staying indoors. >> it's hard and i have a long way to go in pregnancy so i'm trying to take it one day at a ti time. one, two, three, four five. >> reporter: that's what she tells her patients -- one day at a time as zika spreads in miami. brooke, dr. mcguire and other patients say they only leave when necessary but as you said, some women are barricading themselves in their house, not leaving. i talked to one woman who said she's thinking about joining difference in new york for the rest of her pregnant. >> i we're talking to someone the next hour who is saying she
doesn't want a single mosquito bite for the rest of her pregnancy and is going to extreme measures to avoid that. what about schools? we're coming upon the beginning of the school year, kids going back in miami-dade. what are the risk there is? >> for children or any of us, if we're not pregnant, getting zika is no fun. you feel awful for a number of days or a week but it's usually not horribly dangerous you shouldn't fear it like other diseases, like west nile virus, the issue is pregnant women because of the damage it can go do to the fetus or anyone she's having sex with because he could give it to her. >> feeling for those moms in miami. elizabeth cohen, thank you for that. coming up next, we'll talk to the man who donald trump singled out as a rally referring to him as "my african-american." this is a republican running for congress in california who's still not quite sure if he is
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>> donald trump is promising to walk away with a sizable chunk of the african-american vote. during a campaign rally in michigan mr. trump made another plea to black voters. >> i say it again. what do you have to lose? look, what do you have to lose? you're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? and at the end of four years i guarantee you that i will get over 95% of the african-american vote. i promise you. >> what do voters to lose?
here joining me now by phone, gregory cheadle, a republican congressional candidate in california who is also the man -- you might remember this -- who trump called out at one of his campaign rallies. here was that moment some months ago. >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? you know what i'm talking about? >> gregory cheadle on the phone with me. sir, welcome. as an african-american voter in this country, as a republican but you still haven't quite made up your mind i understand, when you heard him say "what do you have to lose" how did that sit with you? >> well, you know, of course it's politically incorrect to say that but the reality is i'm glad he said it because the reality is he needs -- the united states needs to wake up and stop playing this game that everything is okay with black people. it's not and black people in particular have got stop
pledging allegiance to a party that year in and year out, election year in and election year out has done virtually nothing for black people. >> which is what he's been saying that the democratic party has sort of taken for granted the black vote, but if he's truly trying to make his appeal to black voters why is he doing it, gregory, in front of mostly white clouds? >> well, you know, i think that -- i don't know why he does it that way. i think it's a very inefficient way to do it. i think he would have far more credibility and get far more mileage out of making statements like that if he were to do it at a black venue. for instance at a historically back university like tuskegee or -- >> or at the national association of black journalists where he's been invited now two times or a barber shop or traditional places. does that irk you? why hasn't he done that yet do
you think? >> well, i don't think trump has people around him that understand the whole history of black people and how to interact with them. >> but forgive me for jumping in, do you need to understand the historic perspective of the plight of the black man? shouldn't mr. trump know if you want the black vote you need to speak to a black community? >> well, it's easy for us to say that i think that he -- i think mr. trump as i see him, i think he's growing, he's making those statements now where he's going to say anything pretty much before that. so i think that pretty soon we'll see him at a black venue. >> where would your pick number one location for him to be be? >> i would love to see him down
at the university where they have a slave cemetery where the wife of dred scott and two of his children are buried and there make a statement condemning slavery and condemning the mass incarceration of black people today that would be my fantasy trip to see him on. >> to quote "new york times" op-ed columnist charles blow, his question "the trump tone deaf?" what do you think? >> i missed that. is trump what? >> do you think mr. trump is tone deaf? >> i think that -- i wouldn't say he's tone deaf, the problem is he's got so many competing interests that he just doesn't know how to address them all as best he can, i don't know. i don't think he's tone deaf necessarily, i think, again, he's growing and i'm happy to
see him growing in that respect and i'm happy to see him challenging black as far as getting the vote. >> here's my final question to you, gregory, you were first in the national spotlight with the moment we played a second ago with mr. trump referring to as "my african-american." you said you didn't take offense to that, some of your white friends took offense but you didn't. we have 77 days to go until election day and from what i've been told you still haven't set led e -- settled on mr. trump 100%. what is holding you back? >> i don't look to mr. trump or any political party to be a savior for black people. what's holding me back is that i don't know the future and so i'm -- you know, he's got 90% of my support. we still have however many days left and if he does things that i think are going to benefit
black people he will have my vote without question but i reserve that 10% because i don't know the future and as we go along the real trump is going to come out and if the real trump is the type of man that i think is going to make a difference and can and is willing to make a difference in the plight of black people in this country he will have my vote. >> let's follow up and see if he goes to that place that you referred to where mr. scott is buried. gregory cheadle, thank you so much. let's have another conversation. >> thank you appreciate the time and sorry about the technical difficulties. >> we'd love to have you on camera. technology schechnology. coming up next, the donald trump immigration plan set to be unveiled later this week. the debate inside the campaign and out. energy is a complex challenge. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions.
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>> hi, there, you're watching cnn, thank you for being with me. we begin the second hour with what currently stands between donald trump and the white house, minority voters. donald trump pushing back on reports he may be softening his stance on immigration, a signature plank in his rise to secure the nomination among republicans, questions about trump's policies were raised after this weekend's meeting to his campaign where trump said he wanted a "humane and efficient" way to deal with undocumented immigrants leaving a lot of folks to wonder if perhaps he is backing down, flip-flopping, evolving, whatever you want to call it from those initial aggressive ambitions. just a reminder to all of us, up until now trump has always said the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country need to go by force if necessary.
>> >> you're going to have a deportation portion and you're going to do it humanely. >> are they going to be ripped out of their homes? how? >> they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country they'll be brought back to that country. >> you're rounding them up? >> we're rounding them up in a very humane way and nice way and they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. they will go out, they will come back -- some will come back, the best, through a process, they have to come back legally. >> so that was the past, now we have kellyanne conway, mr. trump's campaign manager admitting the release of a
specific immigration plan has gone from "as soon as possible" to "to be determined. tbd." >> as the weeks unfold he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the united states. >> that will plan include a deportation force, the kind that you just heard in the soundbite and he talked about during the republican primaries? >> to be determined.
>> thus the conversation we're about to have with david chalian, our political director, i know you won't know the answer when i say "what does that mean? >> but what are we hearing from trump campaign sources. what do you think kellyanne meant by that? >> i think no staffer wants to get ahead of the principle. we know donald trump on thursday will give a big immigration policy speech so i think that was her creating the space for him to continue to form that policy until he unveils it on thursday but you heard donald trump saying "i'm not a flip-flopper and i'm not changing course here." his son eric trump was saying something similar but then they keep throwing in this humane, we'll do it fairly and what that means is what we're waiting to find out, brook, we don't have the policy answers to that yet. >> he talks thursday, we'll listen for that. meantime he's in ohio
battleground state of ohio. he's speaking in akron. we have new poll numbers where he's down by four points in this monmouth university poll released a short time ago. did you expect him tonight in akron to talk immigration? again reach out to, as he has been recently, to african-american voters or what else? >> i mean, last week when kellyanne conway came on board with the campaign she was on "new day" and she said this week would be immigration week for the campaign. we saw that kick off on saturday when he met with their hand-selected hispanic supporters of the campaign and continuing through leading up to thursday's unveil so i would expect to hear some of that and, yeah, i think we've seen basically a week's worth of trump speeches where border security, where the fight against isis and where raising questions about hillary clinton
have been central as well as you say some of this outreach not always going according to plan for donald trump, he sometimes comes in for some criticism about the way he does this but trying to show an attempt to try and make himself available and open to a wider swath of voters than just the republican primary voters that got him here. >> david chalian, thank you. on all of this let me bring in my panel, angela ry, former executive director congressional black caucus. mary linda garcia, former republican new hampshire state representative and scottie hughes, cnn political commentator and trump supporter. welcome to all of you. scottie, let me start with you as a trump supporter springboarding off of david's point. donald trump did so extraordinarily well and became the party's nominee because of phrases like "build a wall" and "deportation force." i don't want you to get ahead of trump on thursday but do you think he will soften his stance
on immigration. >> i don't think he'll soften his stance i think he's going to encourage enforcing the law we have. we have a version of a deportation force in our law, it's called ice. last year they deported almost half a million people from the united states and all mr. trump is doing is saying he's going to want to continue to strengthen them. support these officials while at the same time going through our immigration system that i think we can all agree is broken and finding a better more mainstream way so we know who's coming into this country. >> do you get a sense, though -- when we sat on saturday with a number of hispanics, one attendee told buzzfeed they want to put together a task force like the ronald reagan days with the exception of amnesty. someone else told univision their interpretation of trump's comments, "i really like trump acknowledged there is a big problem with the 11 million undocumented people who are here and that deporting them is neither possible nor humane." can you understand, scottie, why
people today are confused? >> absolutely and once again it's interpretation hence why i think the policy speeches these past three weeks have been exceptional at trying to explain what he wants to do in these areas, something we're not seeing from hillary clinton. thursday he will continue to clarify. there's a difference between being in a primary and being in a general election. now he's getting down to specifics and a timeline and most importantly what he can pass and work with paul ryan and congress in making sure happens, not just empty campaign promises that continue to pander to the hispanics and african-american vote. he wants to help them and get a solution to a problem i think everybody agrees we have. >> mary, linda, you've just been listening to scottie, she's already using the word "clarify" i have folks on the left saying, hello, we have 77 or 78 more days to go. mary linda, what do you think? >> i think there's been a lot of
clarifications and it's important we not jump to conclusions. but hopefully on thursday this will be a rhetoric meets reality moment. when it comes to the immigration debate what with executive actions and promises coming from other camps as well, the clinton campaign. so i'm hoping te ing thing the rhetoric will be toned down and we'll look at what we really want, practical, sensible, feasible reforms that can be achieved on a bipartisan basis through congress. this is what we want to hear and what's extremely important to the latino and hispanictoned-do great if he wants to grab hispanic voters but it may not work for more hardliners who have effusively supported him to
get him this nomination, angela ry, which i'm wondering net gain/net loss for the trump campaign. you're listening to all of this. thoughts? >> a couple things. i think one is i remember being a kid and my mother needing to put my medicine in something sweeter so that i would digest it, right? so just because donald trump is saying today that the policies will be more humane, i can't help but to think about the fact that during the primary season and debates he talked about deporting, literally putting on planes 11 million people, he he talked about building this big beautiful wall. or he talked about the fact that mexicans are drug dealers and rapists. when you hear those things combined, there's still medicine and i would argue poisen in this instance, even if he is wrapping something sweet around it, it is what it is. so unless he's talking about dialing back these policies to meet the kellyanne/spence campaign. if he's not doing that, it's still breitbart and trump.
>> scottie? >> well, it doesn't matter what the gop or donald trump does to reach out to hispanic voters or african-american voters. there will always be people that will spin it and say that -- they'll ignore it and demonize it. >> what do you mean it doesn't matter? >> it doesn't matter what he says. there's nothing that sometimes the gop can say to people like angela ry and others that will appease them unless it's "i give up." that's not what we'll do. i think when you talk about the specific policy issues, like school choice, mr. trump is the only one for school choice, school vouchers. the majority of african-americans, 58%, they're for it as well. when we get into the specifics i think many within both minority groups will say maybe i should give the republican party a second chance. >> since you evoked my name scottie, let me respond to you. the reason why i can laugh off your candidate and the reason why you're non-responsive to my needs and the needs of people who look like me in my community, even though we're not
monolithic, especially when you talk about black and brown folks because you just lumped us together and that's the reason why you had the autopsy report in 2012. the first thing you should do is engage concerned citizens and a lot sooner than in august like mr. trump did on saturday with the latino folks, one, for example, was so excited to be there at this hour that he didn't know what happened in the meeting so i think that a good start is to understand history and what our policy prescriptions, needs, and priorities are then you can start speaking for me. but thanks, scottie. >> it's interesting you brought that up because mr. trump started engaging last august when he first put together his african-american coalition. but you choose to ignore those conservative republicans who are african-americans that are supporting mr. trump. but there's been a large coalition, a long track record of them. >> all five of them. >> no. there's more than 100 pastors that signed a letter. what has hillary clinton done to reach out to these communities. >> i'm happy to answer that.
that's a talking point you got on the call earlier. what i'll tell you is this plain and simple, if you want to reach out to african-american voters is one way to not do that is to go into north carolina and talk about you wish the voter suppression measure the judge threw out was still on the books. if you want to reach out to african-american people, one way not to do that is to call black lives matter thugs and terrorists. one way to not do that is to talk about paying the legal fees of a protester who hit a black man in the face. if you want to reach out to black voters, don't throw black people out of your rallies. >> i'm listening to both of you. i know mary linda, you want to jump in. go ahead. >> sure, i was going to say, here's the point, again, we can talk about what people say and how it's perceived and received by different communities but they at the end of the day we need policy solutions because policymakers have to put
something in legislation that will accomplish our goals so instead of talking about, you know, who said it best i know that's a problem but at the end of the day we need to talk about solutions, there are a lot of practical reforms that are real out there and feasible and hopefully trump will roll some forward and people on the other side will as well and we can work together on that. i think that's what everybody wants. >> brooke, angela just made my point when i said it doesn't matter what we say. angela will always -- >> no, all of that mattered. every single bit of those points mattered? >> let's say good-bye for now. i would say that words matter. no matter what, whatever candidate, words matter in this final bit of time before an event. mary linda garcia. thank you. angela rye, thank you. scottie nell hughes thank you as well. again on the immigration piece trump is speaking thursday, we'll be listening for that.
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better and the thing he said that got a great deal of resonance is maybe hillary clinton looks at you as voters, takes you for granted. i look at you as people. >> joining me now, sofia nelson, former house republican committee council and childhood friend of kellyanne conway, she penned the book "black woman redefined, dispelling myths and discovering fulfillment in the age of michelle obama." nice to meet you. >> thanks for having me, brooke. >> so first just on the personal with you two ladies. you both grew up in south jersey, you describe her as a person of faith, think of her as a sister. any question to you is did kellyanne conway ever come to you and say "i've been approached by the trump camp, do you think i should do it" >> she didn't. she would never do that. she's such a woman of integrity. she's my sister from another mother. we're 12 days apart, brooke, i'm older, we both have big birthdays next year. i won't say what number but we both have big ones and she's just a person of high integrity
and she has her hands full, though. she's got her job cut out for her. >> were you surprise shed took this massive role on? >> very much so because she has four kids and a husband and she's a busy career girl so i thought to to myself my goodness, how will she fit this? ? but she'll make it work, there's nobody better that understands women better than kelkellyanne. when i announced kellyanne conway was going to do research on my book some of the sisters weren't happy because they thought why are you having a white woman do research about a black woman's book i said trust me, she'll make sure we get this right. the focus groups were ran by african-american women, she's someone who has the pulse on how women think, feel, shop, buy, what we do and if she can help donald trump in that regard she'll do her best to do so. >> i talked to a number of folks who have known her for years and talk about how well respected
she is. she got her start in 1988 working for ronald reagan's pollster on how the republican party could better attract women voters and flash forward seven years she started her own polling company, women trend. that said, i have also talked to some folks who have known her, who respect her who say when she took this job on they were surprised and it felt like she was selling out. >> i don't think -- i'll go back to my original point, brooke. kellyanne is of high integrity. her faith is central to her and i think she did this because she believes that the republican candidate is going to be better than the democratic candidate and i think she was a ted cruz supporter before she jumped on donald trump's campaign but i do think that she's got her hands full. they have to get him off the twitter. he has to use better language when he's talking to african-americans. >> do you think he'll listen to her? >> i hope so. angela rye had it right in your last segment about the way the trump campaign is engaging african-american voters. it's not good. i get what kellyanne was trying
to say about being moved he's outreaching, at least he's trying to say something i guess is the way she sees it but they'll have to do better than that, they have to have credible black surrogates. with all due respect, omarosa being your blackout reach director ain't the way to go. i'm not trying to be mean to omarosa, she's just a reality tv star, not a stalwart in the african-american community, she doesn't have the relationships and street cred to get it done. >> do you think, though -- that's so fascinating. do you think when you hear mr. trump's words about regrets, the outreach a couple of times in the last week to specifically to african-americans, does that have kellyanne all over that? >> it does. i think she's inclusive. she understands demographics are changing in our elections. you cannot win the campaign in a major presidential election with just white voters, the numbers aren't there, the country has browned, it has become more female and our demographics have
shifted and she's doing her best but if they don't get trump disciplined, brooke, and if he doesn't stop attacking tv and radio hosts on twitter, he has to do better if he wants to be president. hillary clinton just doesn't do those things and i think it hurts him. >> she has a huge job. it's an historic job. how about that the? a mom of four kids, sofia nelson, thank you so much for the insight, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> you got it. coming up next here, a newborn caught in the cross fire in syria from his very first breath. his mother hit by shrapnel as she walked to the hospital. this extraordinary scene from inside the operating room and a rare happy ending.
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>> every detail we get about what happened is more heartbreaking that the last. i'm talking about this young woman wearing the scarf in this video dealing with the fact that 54 people at her wedding celebration were killed by a suicide bomber. 22 of them were children. the bride, we're told, has suffered a nervous breakdown after returning to that wedding site. her husband did survive that attack. this is in southern turkey. the turkish president is blaming isis. he said the attacker appeared to have been as young as 12, 12, but the turkish prime minister says it's not clear how old the bomber was. not far from turkey, the grotesque reality of isis sending young children to their deaths is driven home in this scene in northern iraq. here you see police in kirkuk removing what appears to be a
suicide vest from a boy they say was acting suspiciously. the governor says he is 15 and claims to be a member of the so-called cubs of the caliphate. nima elbagir has done stories on isis recruitment of children. she joins me from london. anymo nima, you look at the video, the boy apparently came from mosul which is controlled by isis, these kids -- that's what they are -- are forced into this caliphate at gunpoint, they are killed if they say no. is this type of recruitment of young boys, is this on the rise? >> it absolutely is, brooke, especially as isis itself comes under pressure from the iraqi forces, from the u.s.-led coalition. in their desperation what was once a propaganda tool, parading these children and their brainwashing in front of their
recruitment cameras has now become actually a real need. while they save the more experienced soldiers to fight actually in the front lines, what they're increasingly doing, we're seeing, is that they're using them as suicide bombers. as you saw that young boy in the north of iraq, as we have seen when we visited the front lines in iraq the soldiers there describe the horror of trying to hold back the initial waves of the suicide bombers which are generally populated by young children. but, of course, children are being caught on either side of this conflict, not just in iraq but in syria. and we spoke last week about the five-year-old boy whose picture just reverberated around the world. we want to show you something else. a story with a little more hope in it. this time it's the story of a mother who is actually hit by an air strike on her way to the hospital. both by may and mother miraculously, brooke, survived.
this is a difficult watch, i want to warn our viewers, please take a look at this. two lives. one heart beat sustaining both. mehsa is nine months pregnant, she was already on her way to the hospital when the air strike hit. her arm and leg are broken. her belly sprayed with shrapnel. but what about her baby? mehsa's wail pierces the silence. the doctors keep on going. the baby out into the bright lights. silent and still. they fight on. the little chest pummelled, up
and down, harder and harder. his airways cleared, anything and everything. then, a flutter. blood in the umbilical cord. color floods his little body cries of "god is great" break the tension. a moment of triumph over the specter of greedy death, stalking the city's streets. a moment that here in aleppo must be waged again and again. you saw how hard the doctors there fought and this is how hard they're fighting for every
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the claims and that speculation at best. >> go on line and put down "hillary clinton illness" and look at the videos for yourself. >> giuliani speculated telling fox he thinks hillary clinton is tired and that she looks sick. his comments come as conservative media outlets continue to spread old photos and debunked reports surrounding clinton's medical records. let's talk to two people who know giuliani very well, john avalon served as chief speech writer for giuliani as mayor and former aide and republican strategist susan del percio. great to have you on. john i wanted to go to you first. as giuliani's speech writer, talk about a time when new york needed him, 9/11. the speeches you wrote, the obits at a time the "new york times" referred to him then as the giuliani we always wanted, historical, potentially
presidential. now with these comments, john avalon, what has happened? >> look, i -- i don't think this chapter defines rudy's record. i was proud to work for rudy giuliani, i think he saved new york city and set a model that helped save urban america and i have a lot of affection and respect for rudy giuliani. it's no secret i disagree with him politically in this presidential election and i don't think he's doing himself any favors right now or being his best self but i sincerely hope this chapter as acting as a trump surrogate where he's frequently called on to defend the indefensible does not reflect or overshadow the great good he's done the city of new york and the country. >> turning to you, he says this won't define him, jigilaneny co would disagree calling this the last act of giuliani. >> i'm not a medical doctor and
rudy giuliani was a tremendous prosecutor, fantastic mayor and wonderful leader. >> it's unsubstantiated. >> he should not added medical doctor. >> he likes to back whoever he's backing, gets behind them 110% and this is an unfortunate turn. i'd rather go back to what kellyanne conway said where she wants to stay focused on the issues. maybe not everyone in the campaign and the surrogates aren't on the same page but hopefully they will and talk about trump's immigration policy and education the following week because that's where a campaign needs to go, they need to have everyone on the same page and this is a huge distraction from the trump campaign that they don't need when they're trying to base their campaign on issues. >> john, i feel the respect for this man pouring out of both of you. >> he's so wonderful. >> but john avalon, you can understand why folks are now saying what's going on with rudy giuliani to come on national tv
over and over, forgetting the timing of 9/11 and wondering this is the man who led new york and the nation in a sense during such a pivotal moment in our history? >> it is the same man and you know rudy giuliani, no question he's gotten more conservative over time and he's seeing his role as being someone trying to defend the republican nominee and what he sees as a worse alternative in hillary clinton but people need to also remember that rudy giuliani is somebody who early on was a strong defender of immigrants' rights and gay rights and pro-choice in a republican party and in an earlier incarnation of donald trump condemned voices like pat buchanan when they tried to demonize along the lines of difference. this is a highly charged presidential campaign and rudy is being called on to defend the indefensible. it doesn't reflect his best self but it should not define him in
the totality of his career. i disagree with him intensely on this particular presidential campaign but it's important for us as americans to realize that we can disagree intensely about politics without having it overshadow the person entirely. >> final question to you, susan, i hear john saying he hope this is doesn't define him. gilaneny cobb calls it the last appalling act. let's say moving forward if trump doesn't win, what happened with rudy giuliani? >> well, he continues his work in his firm and he goes and he will speak on behalf of other candidates. i agree with john absolutely. this is not a defining moment for rudy giuliani. as a matter of fact, when you take this campaign so far in totality, trump is going to be the person we remember from this campaign win or lose so you'll see rudy giuliani continue to do what he does and after the
campaign is over whether he serves under a trump administration if trump loses he'll go back to what he has been doing. >> okay, susan del percio thank you. john avalon at the beast, thank you so much as well. coming up next, we'll move away from politics for a moment and talk about what's happening in miami. pregnant women in miami going to great lengths to avoid getting bites from mosquitos and now that dozens of cases of the zika virus have been diagnosed we want to talk live with a woman who has largely quarantined herself in her own home to protect her unborn baby. we'll talk to her live.
the impact of zika. on most people who get it it's often minimal but if you are pregnant the stakes are much, much higher since it's been linked to devastating birth defects. the cdc says pregnant women and their partners should avoid two neighborhoods in miami where the virus is spread so it's perhaps not surprising that a number of peck tonight moms in south florida are changing their daily lives dramatically to avoid
mosquito bites. my next guest is one of those people. we're joined from ft. lauderdale from the confines of your home, amanda. congrats on soon to be baby number one. you're 17 weeks pregnant. talk to me about the measures you are taking to avoid a mosquito bite. >> all right, it's definitely been an interesting one. as you know, living in south florida it's extremely hot. i can't walk out of my house unless i'm covered from head to toe so long pants, long sleeves, bug spray on the clothes, on the exposed limbs. you know, keeping it to a minimum, really, just to and from the car, two and from -- unless -- when it's urgent, fife run an errand i don't -- i won't not go but just choosing wisely as to what it is that i'm doing zblerd so not only that and mind you south florida it's hot so
knowing you're covering yourself from head to toe isn't lost on me, a, and, b, you live ft. lauderdale, you had a full time sales job where you had to go to miami quite a bit. you have altered your work flow to avoid that, yes? >> that is correct. i covered all of miami-dade county for work and my husband and i had a lot of discussions about it and we just didn't feel comfortable having to go there everyday anymore. i did spend a decent amount of time outdoors going to and from my buildings where i needed to be, etc., and it wasn't a risk we were willing to take so luckily i work for an amazing organization who is very respectful and accommodating and they gave me a part time position where i will be working from home so big change there is as well. >> so here's my question. is this -- all of these measures you're taking, is this from your doctor or are you and your husband being overly cautious?
>> it's a little bit of both, you know, the doctor definitely looked us in the eye and said you are at risk, there's no doubt about it but this was more of a family decision, a family choice. it's just -- it's not worth it to us, all it takes is one, one mosquito bite and our entire lives could be impacted so this was the best and easiest decision for us to make, actually. >> final question just quickly. what's the sense among moms to be because i see pictures, people still partying in south beach where zika has been found. it's frightening. there are moms, and it depend on their situation, everyone is doing what they feel is necessary. some people don't leave the house. some people, like me, are covered head to toe, even though it is a million degrees outside.
some people i've heard, no one i know personally, but they are leaving the state. it is really a scary, scary thing. and you know, unless you are pregnant, i don't think you're thinking twice about it because, why would you, really? >> what does your husband say? >> he is actually -- he was -- he was more concerned at the beginning than i was, to be honest. i don't think i realized the severity. probably like some other women out there. but we really just kind of came together and once i started doing more research and realizing there are so many more cases now, local cases, it really got me. and him too. he walk the dog now. i don't walk the dog. he wears a hoody and sweat pants just to walk the dog because he has to stay safe too.
>> five months to go, amanda. good luck. my best of luck and congratulationses. such a huge deal. thank you. this time tomorrow, president obama will be in louisiana getting a first-hand look at devastating impact of the historic floods there. coming up next, cnn sharees a story of one of the 60,000 families who has just begun the long process of rebuilding.
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relief supplies in a visit that democratic governor described as helpful. but much more important than the political back and forth, the human impact there in louisiana. more than 60,000 homes have been damaged or just totally destroyed. cnn's polo sandoval caught up with the family just getting home. >> this is where the kitchen was right here. the water got up to about 2 1/2 foot in the house. >> reporter: step through the door in the city of gonzalez and you will see what hundreds of homes in southern louisiana look like today. a bare interior stripped of any comforts of home. >> we today gut everything totally in the house. >> reporter: leblanc only saved what he and his son could carry out as the water approached his doorstep last monday. what was left behind had to be discarded and now sits soaked in the front lawn. >> it happened fast. it is sad. you do what you got to do. he saved a lot.
thanks to him and my brother, they put everything as high as they could. >> reporter: leblanc saved his family and small irreplaceable items, including albums. >> the stuff in the blue tote, i said -- we need to get that. so i felt bad the next day because i didn't want it destroyed. i said, i'm going back, i don't care how deep it is, to get her thing she wanted. >> this is a damn shame. report leblanc used his cell phone to capture the return home along with his son. >> i didn't even remember it was his birthday because of all the trauma going on. >> ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ . >> reporter: there was time for song amidst the heart break. >> dad fashioned a cake out of
cookies and whip team. leblanc has help from friends, neighbors and coworkers. >> i'm living in my camp. it will be rough the next two months but we are all safe. >> reporter: even with the helping hands, he says, it'll be weeks, perhaps months, before he turns his house into a home again. cnn, louisiana. >> "the lead" starts now. >> thanks, brooke. is donald trump on the fence or in his case, on the wall, about his own immigration policy. "the lead" starts now. tbd, to be determined. that's how the campaign chief described the nominee's commitment to follow through with 11 million undocumented immigrants. is the immigration plan now negotiable? today a judge orders the state department to review nearly 15,000 documentsro