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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news, a major shift from donald trump on immigration. meanwhile, hillary clinton blasts him in an exclusive interview with cnn. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump in an interview saying there would be no amnesty but promising to, quote, work with undocumented immigrants. and in a blistering speech in mississippi, he calls hillary clinton a bigot. she fires back accusing trump of peddling bigotry, prejudice and paranoia with our own anderson cooper. i want to bring in mark preston and miss dana bash.
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let's start with the word bigot on the campaign trail tonight. here's donald trump. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans, she's going to do nothing for the hispanics. she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> and here's hillary clinton talking to anderson cooper tonight. >> donald trump has shown us who he is and we ought to believe him. he is taking a hate movement mainstream, he's brought it into his campaign. he's bringing it to our communities and our country, and, you know, someone who has questioned the citizenship of the first african-american president, who has courted white
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supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who has attacked a judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass deportation force is someone who is, you know, very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> dana bash, to you first. what do you think? >> listening to hillary clinton again, obviously i listened to it live, it's sort of crystallizing in my mind what's going on here. she's previewing a big speech she's going to give tomorrow, which the clinton campaign is calling the alt-right speech where she's going to talk about steve bannon, the new chairman of donald trump's campaign, who runs or ran breitbart media and talking about all of the things that she is going to point to that he has said and done that put him in from her perspective
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in the hate group camp and obviously take that a step further and say that just proves that's who donald trump is going to be. so that's what that is. but then knowing the way donald trump, it's been advertised that clinton is going to give that kind of speech. and knowing the way donald trump is and takes things like that personally, there's no question in my mind that's why he called her or one of the reasons he called her a bigot tonight, as almost a preemptive strike of what she's going to say tomorrow. >> mark preston, your thoughts? ia, it's a bridge too far. if donald trump wanted to go out and be critical of hillary clinton or the democratic party saying their policies have failed the inner cities and the communities. but what happens is when you go too far and use inflammatory language like that is correct everybody we've you've said
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before, it all gone and we all focus on one word, bigot. i don't think there's anyone that thinks that hillary clinton is a bigot. sometimes a little less said is a little more effective. >> let's turn now and talk about immigration. trump, a major change in his stance on immigration. let listen. >> no citizenship. be agree with that. they'll pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty as such. but we work with them. but when i look at the rooms and have i this all over, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out but when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject and i've had very strong people, really great, great people come up to me and they've said, mr. trump, i love you but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it's so tough, mr.
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trump. i mean, i have it all the time. it's a very, very hard thing. >> so that's not scripted. he's feeding off the crowd there. >> he is. and also the way that he and his campaign orchestrated this, that he went on hannity, he went on fox, a very, very safe place in not heckling him for moving to the center. maybe it looks like just the opposite. but to hear drath say that he understand how tough it would be for all of these families who have been here for so many years to leave is what we heard people like jeb bush and john kasich, other republicans who got ridiculed for saying that in the primaries say. but more importantly what is so different from what he said to you, to me, to so many people who interviewed him throughout the entire primary season, it
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was one of the pacifics. everybody has to lead, the good once, the bad ones and let. >> we're going to the families together. >> but you're -- >> they have to go. you're going to have a deportation force and do it humanely. >> we're rounding them all up in a very humane we're going to go and create a path where we can get them into this country legally. >> mark, many people have said what he was proposing was never going to work, building a wall across the america can border. you can't physically do that. and now this is changing but many people have wanted him to change or soften as they say, his stance months and months ago and now he's doing it for the people who may be attracted to
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this, is it too late? >> a couple of things. one, we could call it a pivot, two, we could call it softening and they're not going to support gary johnson, they're surely not going to sport hillary clinton and quite frankly, donald trump still says enough -- >> does it make them less enthusiastic to go to the polls? >> i think donald trump, those who got on the trump train from the beginning and think he's going to make america great again. it soaps up the those who think that thank god that donald trump
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is finally saying it now. the question is to your point, why wasn't this done six months ago? >> i think you're probably right, people who have been his core supporters doesn't have anywhere else to go and they're going to back him. this is now the biggest test to that this is the heart and soul of his primary campaign. the wall. the he reminds us who went out by the millions to support him. >> there's people at the rally saying "build that wall, build that wall," but to continue where do you go from there? and speaking of hillary clinton, here's what she said to anderson about this. >> my understanding is that the comment you just referred to was
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the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. somebody has told him, i guess the latest that he's consulting, house of representatives damaging his statements are been, how terrible his deportation plan is, how offensive his views on immigrants have been from the very first day of his campaign. so he's trying to certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that it's just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isn't as, you know, devastating to his campaign and his. >> are you saying it doesn't matter so much that he's giving his opponent fod are here?
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>> i don't think so. not on this issue. he is flip-flopping, he can be accused of that. he can be accused of that on many issues that we've seen so far, but do i think that, look, his plan to deport 11 million people was economically not feasible, logistically impossible and politically stupid, right? it was though they he's been critical to policies up to this point. as i said, we'll keep the good ones and get the bad ones out. >> does this win him any hispanic voters, dana? >> it's hard to see the answer being question but we'll see where he goes with this. we'll see what his policy looks like. it looks like they used it on wednesday.
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we showed in our battleground state that he is but one thing i wanted to say about whether or not he's giving his opponent fodder. i agree with mark. i don't think that's the issue here. what is a little bit perplexing is why they cancelled or postponed the sweech that they were going to give tomorrow about emigration. the policy wasn't ready, fine, that's completely understandable but the other plus side of that was they could kind of lay back and let hillary clinton stew on all of these stories about the clinton foundation and so forth. instead it's kind of a drip, drip, drip and it gives her about so it's pushingy for
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people who are trying to -- >> is it stepping on the news cycle? hillary clinton had the e-mail and the bigot and he's flip-flopping on immigration and just to ridden the news. >> i can't believe it. >> you can't believe that i'm absolutely right? >> bottom line is he has stepped on his message. he has ramped up into hillary clinton's speech tomorrow, the pivot is going to be to cover the e-mails, cover the ongoing questions about the foundation. but now her time will be divide divided, allow this clinton
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foundation stuff to fester. he stepped on his message tonight. >> the very first time dana bash has been right. >> will you stop repeating that, please? >> thank you, i appreciate it. when we come back, donald trump promises voters a hard line on immigration. isn't that what won him the nomination? now what? ♪ there's no one road out there. no one surface... no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class. five driving modes let you customize the steering, shift points, and suspension to fit the mood you're in... and the road you're on. the 2016 c-class. lease the c300 for $369 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.
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plan. here to discuss, kayleigh mcenany, maria cardona and bakari sellers, hillary clinton supporters. now can we just not say it's softening anymore? >> he said that. trump said it's softening. >> andre, what do you think about it? there's no deportation forces, a major departure from the way he started his campaign. what's your reaction to it? >> i think he's evolving, i think he's softening. i think on the campaign trail he's even hearing it. i think he looks at it from a realistic standpoint and some of the things he thought about doing aren't plausible but you take the most important nuggets and move ford with thaward with. most of the people watching the show want to know how their lives are going to get better. we get bogged down but they want to know the real things that will affect their lives. it's not about somebody calls
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somebody a bigot but we'll get to who can create jobs, what the taxes are going to look like -- >> i agree with you but i think immigration is a very important topic and especially when you frame it in the sense that it is taking jobs away from, quote unquote, real americans or people who are here legally. i think that's a big issue. how is that not amnesty considering what he's been saying the last 14 months? >> he's by no means proposing a path to citizenship. >> he said we're going to work with them, they have to pay taxes. that's what citizens do. >> what he has been saying and this is really important, he's building a wall, mexico is paying for it it's in stark contrast to barack obama who last year alone let out 19,700 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions into society, 200 of
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which were murder convictions. donald trump wants to deport those folks. voters have said to him we don't like the part about breaking up families, we want those people to be able to stay. he moved on it. i like being responsive to the people, to your voters. >> he even used operation wetback, which is an example of a term he said he wanted to replicate it. many saw the term and the policy as racist. so this new language, though, that's not the definition of a flip-flop? >> no, i think a flip-flop is when you fundamentally change a deep seated principle. hillary clinton was for free trade and now she's against tpp and nafta and she's switched on a number of the social issues. they are major cataclysmic flips in policy. he still wants to secure this country, secure the border, unlike hillary clinton, who wants to release them into society, unlike her predecessor
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has. >> maria, do you think this is a flip flop? >> well, we don't really know yet because we have no clue what his immigration policy is. he seems to say something different depending on who he talks to, but i will say this and i've said this ever since we've heard there's possibly his quote unquote softening of his immigration plan. it's not going to work for latino voters. calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, that is going to shut you down. >> he didn't. >> wyes, he did. but he follows it saying he's going to deport that family -- >> kayleigh is saying there's a distinction that mexico is sending rapist and murderers. >> no, there isn't so that was a huge bigoted racist insult to
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latinos in this country. and that is how they took it. kayleigh, i'm not finished. i didn't interrupt you. kayleigh, i did not interrupt you. i did not interrupt you. so when he follows that up with a deportation force and he talks about replicating a program called operation wetback, when you talk about a mexican american judge saying that he can't do his job because of his mexican heritage, those are racist, bigoted comments. this quote unquote softening is not an appeal to -- >> i think for the people up here for the surrogates are saying softening, but i think the people at home, they know it's a change, it's a flip flop. he's changing his policy. this is a change in his policy,
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bakari. >> i mean, it is a change in his policy and it is a flip-flop. i think all your surrogates so far, kayleigh and andre and maria have started clearly when you start from a position of operation wetback which was very brut brutal in 1948 where they went in homes and gathered people up in took them back across the border, and when you talk about patterning your policy after that and today saying, no, we're not going to have a deportation force, we're going to keep families together, that is a flip flop. i think andre let himself candidate off the hook because andre said people want to have this discussion about policy points. donald trump's main point, what he sold republican primary voters was immigration. republican primary voters have
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been bamboozled. we've been saying it's politically impractical, it's politically stupid, it financially impossible and you just simply can't do it. now donald trump has sold this bill of goods to the republican primary voters, they bought it and today they're saying i'm sorry, jeb bush, marco rubio and john kasich are kicking themselves saying i should have thought of that. >> this is jeb bush from the previous segment. her name is christi campbell. she issued a statement saying it is unsurprising that donald trump is finally faced with reconciling his immigration policy with reality. >> i sport him because i want him to absolutely change washington. to put it in a not nice term,
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washington needs an enema. he was the only one willing to take on the establishment. and i didn't love every single thing about donald trump. i'm not one of these surrogates who says i love every single policy. i'm an independent thinker. >> o that point, now he's coming back to where those candidates were from the beginning. that is not concerning to you that he is becoming everything he said he wasn't going to become? >> i watched an interview with ron paul. the person who interviewed him gave him a different perspective. i love the fact he said i never thought about it like that. i like people who run for office and don't know every single times. >> voters were interviewed and are you frustrated. i think you misunderstand republican voters when you think we're foaming at the mouth meaning democrat generally
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mischaracterize thinking we're tomorrowing at the mt. wanting to deport people. that is not true. we want people, if they're good, hard working people to be here. we don't want somebody like cane and a number of parents who have stood by donald trump and supported them. >> let bakari in, maria. >> i just wanted to say. >> bakari sellers, go. >> i think it's really -- my heart goes out to kay steinly and her family. all immigrants who come into this country are not rapists, are not murderers, many of them do the daily task every day to help our lives be so much better. that individual should not have been in this country. to actually say that we're not
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talking about a litter of kittens. we're not talking about stray dogs. we're actually talking about human beings. i'm glad that donald trump found some humanity and i guess i'll give him that 80 days out from the election. >> maria, i've got to get to a break. right after the break i'll give you the first word, i promise. . we'll be right back.
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back with the gang. go ahead, maria. what did you want to say? >> i wanted to say this because i really will not say this very often that kayleigh is right in that most republican voters don't agree with donald trump on his draconian deport them all plan, but the reality is is that in the republican primaries, in every single state except for wisconsin and new york, the vast majority of the people who voted for trump voted for him because of those draconian immigration policies. so he is playing with fire here
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if in fact he is going to represent this flip-flop, you saw ann coulter actually tweet something out that says if donald trump flip-flops on immigration, i am not going to be supporting him anymore. >> she said that in an interview as well, that he would become a different candidate. >> exactly, representative steve king, one of the most anti-immigrant representatives out there also said, warning donald trump not to change his stance on immigration. now, that doesn't mean all of his supporters will leave him because i agree where else are they going to go, but i also think that while he's trying to do this appeal to suburban white voters, at the same day he's calling hillary clinton a bigot and he has actually also questioning her mental abilities and her stamina. those are all dog whistles that are very jend agender biased. >> you're reading ahead in the
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textbook. here's his attack on hillary clinton tonight. listen. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans, she's going to do nothing for the hispanics. she's only going to take care of herself, her husband, her consultants, her donors. these are the people she care about. she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> bakari sellers, he had said before that voters should reject or african-american voters should reject the bigotry of hillary clinton. it's the first time he's called her a bigot directly. what's your reaction? >> that's going to be a really hard sell for a man like donald trump. donald trump was being sued by the department of justice,
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hillary clinton was going undercover into rural white school districts and coming to andre and my home state to help to get juveniles out of prison. her so drath is going to be really hard pressed in making that point. but i don't think i've been clear for the past week that donald trump has been making this quote, unquote, appeals many are calling it because i don't think it an apoll. i. >> donald trump's not doing that. donald trump is being extremely condescending in saying because we've been voting this way for two or three decades, somehow african-americans don't grasp
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policy, which is disrespectful, ignorant and almost racist. >> this is a woman behind donald trump when he made that comment. did you see her? >> that was a classic. that is hilarious. >> she needs to be on the show. >> she makes the point i was going to make, if his appeal to suburban women, white voters -- >> george bush gave a speech, he referred to the democratic point of view to one that is bigoted. this hasn't been used before by other republicans. the definition of a bigot is being inpoll rant of another person's and donald trump has proffered app alternative way r
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or. >> but that's not quite accurate. let me just say when george w. bush talked about low expectation, it was a very good speech because the worst part about low expectations is often time you get what you expect. i want kayleigh to tell me one time in which hillary clinton has been bigoted. >> because she paints my candidate as a racist. because she puts forward an al ten
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tenor. >> it's the definition of bigotry, the intolerance -- >> let me help you. >> she used super predator. >> it's really under -- birther started way back before donald trump came in. her group kind of pushed that birther movement. >> no, that's not right. >> that is a lie. >> let me say this to andre about the super predator comment. that comment was absurd, it was offense i, that comment was very hurtful. although it was in 1994, i was only 10 years old, when you hear those type things, when you hear the way that although when you look at it in context, she wasn't talking about african-american males specifically. that language had no place in the political discourse. i challenged hillary clinton on that and she owned it and ai've
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never seen him apologize to any one of the five of the central park five. i've never seen him apologize to the president of the united states for trying to delegitimize him. so i understand your talking point about super predator but i hope you push your candidate for not himself haertd bigotry. >> was settled. >> he said -- >> it was never proven in a court of law. >> he said '02. >> the second one, they couldn't even come up with one name or person that was affected. they had no case whatsoever. >> please tell me about the central park -- and his lack of apology for that.
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>> and he never apologized to judge curiel -- >> none of this is productive at all. i can retort to you that bill clinton was at an all-white golf club. none of this is productive. none of this helps. >> i got to get to a break. but the whole reason we're talking about it tonight is because donald trump called hillary clinton a bigot. >> exactly. we want to talk about issues but he doesn't. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today.
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>> it reminded me of that great saying that maya angelou had that when someone shows you who they are, you ought to believe them the first time. and donald trump is showing us that. he's bringing a hate campaign
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mainstream and someone who has questioned the president, who has attacked a judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass deportation force is someone who is very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> what's your reaction, kayleigh? >> i thought it was an irresponsible way to respond right after her maya angelou quote, she went on to say he's bringing a mainstream hate movement into his campaign, despite the fact he's dismissed racism time and time again. more republicans voters have turned out to vote for this man than any candidate in history. we are not hateful, we are intrusive. i would return with a quote that we must learn to live together
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as brothers or perish together as fools. >> i need a psa, please. we're going to have to put a moratorium on the quotes of dr. martin luther king jr. because there's no way that dr. martin luther king would sit back and support donald trump. i think charles blow said it on your air -- >> stand by, here it is. let's play it. >> this is the most horrible kind of bigotry and the fact that people keep asking the same question, particularly to black commentators like me is he reaching out to black people, he is not reaching out to black people. there is nothing about this appeal that has any resonance with anyone black that i can even find. i even looked at the largest black web sites i could find just to see if anybody was taking this seriously. not a single person i could find. only people taking it seriously is white people. >> bakari, last night on this
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program he said if you are supporting donald trump, then you're part of the bigotry that is donald trump. something to that example. >> and it important to know. i don't go as far as calling donald trump a racist. i don't think he's a racist. i think it's more dangerous than that because i just think he utilizes racism. by doing things such as failure to disavow david duke in his interview with jake tapper and coming back later after the primaries and then disavowing him, by having these conversations, many times what we're seeing with donald trump is, yes, he's dabbling in racism. that's what stephen bannon does at breitbart. that's why his connection tomorrow is going to be so, so important so people can see who is working with donald trump. there is nothing pure about roger stone. roger stone is a bigot and he's racist as well, someone who is very close to donald trump. so all of these things play into
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it. >> dr. martin luther king first of all was someone who was inclusive and he looked to build bridges and bring people together. we should all aspire to that message. i admire you for not attaching the label of racist to my client. lynn patent, who speaks glowingly of him. if he were that label, we would see person after person who has worked for him in his company -- but we don't have that. no one in his company is coming out for saying that. >> i apologize, maria, for hogging this segment. i think it would be helpful if you could find an hispanic american and african-american that, as you say, positive
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things about donald trump -- >> we have, ben carson -- >> that was funny. >> i want to go back to the beginning. my father actually knew dr. king. my father actually marched with dr. king, he didn't pay the ultimate sacrifice but he was also shot. my father was also in prison. a lot of my journey in life is what i hope my father's was and dr. king's was, to bring people together. for you to quote dr. martin luther king and other surrogates to quote martin luther king, it pains me because it's so disingenuous because -- >> i think that's unfair. we're all allowed to quote dr. king -- >> well, find someone else. another civil rights -- >> let her finish.
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>> it's about bringing this country together and labelling someone a racist who is not that and you don't know him, none of us have met him so to label him as that is unfair. >> dr. martin luther king did say we should all come together but he was also very specific about pointing out bigotry and racism. go ahead. >> when you come together, you build bridges. donald trump doesn't want to build bridges, he wants to build a wall. what do walls do? they separate people, divide people. >> from the moment he burst on to the scene with the birther movement and his presidential campaign. when you have that kind of rhetoric, kayleigh, and you're right, we don't know donald trump's mind but we can judge him by what he has done and what he has said. and what he has done and said is bigoted and racist. >> for decades i read books on donald trump, i read reviews on the books and nobody ever talked
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about him being racist. >> donald trump has done some things seen as racist when you're talking about the central park five, the practices in his business. i hear kayleigh talking about promoting people. you have to do that by law. >> google pictures of him and look back at the dakota aids where he's with don king. i mean, you see decades, 40 years of him -- >> i don't want you guys to get me wrong. i'm just saying to maria's point, you have to look at people's actions, and not all americans view things in a political lens like you do where you can be on a different side of the aisle one day, can you come on cnn or on fox or on msnbc or whatever and you can talk crap about donald trump and
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the next day you run his campaign. most people don't live in that sort of life so they're looking at a person for what he said and what it is unfair to middle school characterize what he has done. to bring up the 1974 case where he was committing the actions. that is not true. that didn't happen. with regard to the central park five. it is horrible what happened to those young men. it is horrible to -- >> any of us -- >> no, no, no. 1974, who didn't live in a segregated neighborhood? almost everybody did. >> that didn't make it right, andre. >> you're judging somebody by standards today. >> i'm going to do one more block with you guys. we'll get to the break. i lived in a segregated neighborhood. we didn't like it. we were one of the first black families in a white neighborhood. it was tough. just because it was that was doesn't mean it was right. >> you're using today's standards for something that
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hillary clinton being friends with robert bird. bill clinton golfing at an all white golf club. hillary clinton calling the community super predators there is a real disparity. it is sad to me that a net wealth of an african-american is 11,000. for a white person it is 142,000. we only help people when we knowledge the problems and we're respond to the issues. >> here is the problem. we should be talking about issues. donald trump has not put anything out substantively that would help latinos, african-americans, working americans in any way, shape, or form with the economic issues in the country. i would love to hear it. everything he put out would help rich people like himself, number one. number two, we would love to talk about these issues like you andre, but when you have your candidate calling hillary clinton a bigot, then that is what we end up talking about. >> andre? >> the speech was longer than one minute and one sentence.
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if you want to talk about it, you talk about rich people, i know it is fun and easy to beat on rich people. i have a newsflash for you. rich people create jobs. they own companies. they employ people. poor people don't create nearly as many jobs so we better do something to encourage people that are sending their money to other countries or have it over there to repatriate. >> i have got to go. i have two seconds. bac good night. >> see you, guys. ne. with this degree of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class. it's everything you need it to be... and more. lease the e300 for $549 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.
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good evening. thanks very much for joining us. donald trump is speaking shortly in jackson, mississippi. he told another news outlet what his plans are for immigration and it is a major shift from what we've been hearing from donald trump in his campaign. you know we've been getting hints about it. tonight, we do know the details and we'll tell you what they are and see if he talks about it at tonight's rally. also a 360 exclusive. secretary hillary clinton joins us in her first national television interview in nearly a month. she's facing more heat and sources say the campaign expected or the clinton foundation. her husband fired back late today and perhaps she will, too, tonight. plenty to talk about, in any case and we begin with a new batch of polling and inside politics arningor john king joins us to break it down by the numbers.


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