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good evening. hillary clinton joins us momentarily. her first nationally televised live interview in more than a month. both her campaign and her husband now pushing back hard on the allegations surrounding the clinton foundation. we're very glad she can come on the program tonight. first her opponent wrapping up a rally in mississippi. donald trump had some strong language for secretary clinton tonight. what did he say? >> that's right. you'll also a couple weeks ago when donald trump described president obama as the founder of isis. there was another omg moment when trump was in mississippi in which he called hillary clinton a bigot. earlier this week for the last several days, he's been coming
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close to saying something along those lines. he's not caring about the concerns of minority voters. this was on the edge of going out and basically calling hillary clinton a bigot. here's what towed say. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she is going to do nothing for african-americans. she is going to do nothing for the hispanics. she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> donald trump has been touching on all week. did he talk about what seems to be a major shift in his immigration plan, no longer talking about that all 11
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million undocumented immigrants in this country have to leave? >> the campaign told us before this speech that he was going to talk on his immigration plan. all we heard from donald trump on this rally is that when he unveils his immigration policy, it is not going to affect adversely americans when it comes to their jobs. it's not going to hurt them in the pocketbooks. but he did not go as far as he did in an interview on another network that is apparently flying tonight in which he says, basically stakes out a huge shift on immigration. in this interview, andersen, he says that people who are law-abiding, unb documented immigrant necessary this country will not have to leave. they will not be rounded up by a deportation force as he described it in the primaries .leave it. they can pay back taxes and stay. this is a huge departure on his immigration policy. he did not get into those details at this rally. we should point out in that line
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about referring to hillary clinton as a bigot, that was in his prepared remarks. that was in the teleprompter. that is in the scripted remarks that the campaign put out earlier. this was not an ad lib. that's what the campaign wanted him to say and he delivered it. >> thanks very much. questions why donald trump is campaigning, where he is campaigning. why is he spending time in states that he almost cannot lose as well as in others he likely will not win? john came back some answers. this is an unusual year. we all know that. is there any reason to think donald trump is in texas, in mississippi where he is tonight? >> in a word, no. he did start the day in tampa, florida. a big area of florida. florida is in a dead heat at the moment. one of the most battle ground states. tonight, jackson, mississippi, 55/44, the race in 2012, with john mccain, it was 56/43.
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it's safe to assume he is not going to lose mississippi. he is in jackson which happens to be a democratic oasis. a lot of republicans saying yes, you might be there fundraising about why you are you spending time and money on a big rally? the big question they were asking last night. he was there fundraising first. has a big rally in a democratic bastion within the republican state of texas. 64/35 in travis county. let's come back to texas statewide. 56/54 in the mccain/obama race. 57/41 in t 1 obama/romney race. a lot of people scratching their heads saying, we know you need raise money but why are you having these big rallies? new team is blaming paul manafort. they're trying scrub and getber as they move forward. i talked on a loyalist tonight who said that is pure bull, you can fill in the rest of the sentence. he said some other things that i
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won't repeat. this is trump. trump likes to have big rallies. he tells them to have big rallies. and to lay on it paul manafort is bs, this loyalist said. >> we are expecting secretary clinton to call in at any moment for her first live national interview in several weeks. first, clinton supporter, cnn supporter, jonathan devini, christine quin, there in the middle of it all, conservative trump critic tara setmeyer. kelly, do you see this as a major shift for donald trump? no longer talking about 11 million undocumented immigrants. got to leave and the good ones can come back. he is not using any of that language anymore. >> no. i don't see it as a major shift. the border patrol agents have endorsed trump. yesterday we saw the parents of children other lost their lives to illegal immigrants.
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>> but let me just stop you. if 11 million people -- donald trump said in the primary, 11 million undocumented immigrants, they have to leave. the good ones can come back but they have on leave. he is no longer saying that. he is saying they'll pay back taxes. >> he is saying, clearly, violent criminals to have leave. >> he is not saying 11 million have to leave. >> just last year, 19,700 criminal immigrants were released into society. 800 with sexual offenses. >> you agree he is no longer saying 11 million have to leave. >> i think we have to wait to hear his immigration speech. what he is quite clear is there will be a wall. criminal aliens will not be released but he is allegedly in the town hall tonight. he is saying, i'm listening to voters. voters are saying i think this is too hard and he is listening to them. hillary clinton is at top dollar fund-raisers. >> why not saying it is a change. you're saying it means those a haven't broken any laws don't to have leave. >> i'm quoting donald trump.
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he said i'm listening to voters. they are telling me my position is too hard. >> this is the frustrating part about donald trump and his supporters. just acknowledge the obvious. >> did he. >> you're not even doing it. >> this is a complete departure from what he campaigned on. you can go back to his interview on meet the press where he talked about one of the first things he would do was rescind barack obama's executive order to allow the dreamers to stay here. he said that even dreamers had to go. yeah. they have to go. you can go watch it. it is on video. we're not all crazy. throughout the entire primary, he went after jeb bush, marco rubio, john kasich who all said what you're proposing is not workable. b, inhumane. and donald trump propelled himself -- >> you're ignoring words of the candidate. last night he said -- >> which words? >> this isn't a monologue on this program. >> last night he said, there's
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room to soften this part of my proposal. a tonight he said, i'm listening to voters. they're telling me the one portion of my immigration plan is too harsh. >> that's a shift. >> i'm quoting his words. >> just stay words. >> it is because -- >> this may be one of the few moments, i say with all due respect, where you and i agree. we don't know what he's saying. we don't know how big a bait ask switch this is until the speech. and then we may not know. clearly a rational person, as you've just gone through, would think what he is saying, is a flip. but none of his supporters and you've tried very hard to get an answer from kellyanne conway, will answer the questions. that means they're trying have it both ways. go back to the muslim ban. they said they would zpoit then they took it back and then came back a plan that was worse than the original ban. so just because donald trump says something doesn't mean it
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is true or even doesn't mean it is what he is going to do. we have no idea. they're trying to create this smoke screen of softness that is just a smoke screen and we don't have any idea. it could be worse. >> if in fact this is his policy, i mean, am i crazy in thinking this is a change? it certainly sounds like a change. i'm not saying he is not, in the eyes of his supporters, tough to border security, tough on building a wall, all that. but he is no longer apparently talking about 11 million undocumented -- >> there's no question. >> no doubt it is a softening. it is what a good woman does for the campaign. >> kellyanne. >> absolutely. he has to be able to govern when he gets elected, too. and i think he's seen the reality of, it just can't happen. >> what jim acosta said before was pretty amazing. there's going to be this softening.
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we wouldn't hear the unhinging of donald trump. he said that word, calling hillary clinton a bigot was in the prepared remarks on the teleprompter. now, you can citizen teak positions. calling her a bigot is beyond the pale. >> there is no actual -- >> no factual basis. i'm sorry. >> like what? >> give me -- >> give me an example. >> bigotry. tell me. give me an example. >> do you know what the definition of bigotry is. >> donald trump. >> i guess you don't know. it is not race oriented remarks. it means you're intolerant of someone's views. i would suggest hillary clinton is in in fact intolerant. he is not a racist. donald trump has empowered black people in his country. he's not a racist. >> he called them racists and murderers. >> one at a time.
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>> he called people coming from mexico rapists and murderers. >> it's a fact. >> here's where nuance matters. words matter. when mexico sends people, they send criminals. >> which there's no evidence mexico actually sends -- >> regardless of the voracity of that -- do you recall when cuba sent rapists and criminals? words matter. >> yes. words matter. >> he did say that there were some racists coming from mexico. >> my first day at cnn was the day that donald trump announced. and i covered that first speech. this is a pivot on immigration. i'm going to have to disagree with you. even to say i'm listening to voters. ite a pivot. i think the thing that's interesting is which voters is he listening to right now? i don't think he is listening to his base. he is listening to independents.
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>> it is interesting that he would talk about softening on hannity last night and apparently talk more about this idea of, you know, that they can stay if they haven't committed a crime. he didn't talk about that in jackson, mississippi. that's not red meat for a donald trump crowd. he talk about building a wall last night. >> and i would contend he wants us to think he's softening. we don't have the substance yet to prove that. it is a con. >> a complete con. >> he is a con man. >> i'm just saying. donald trump. he was in real estate. he's conman. >> that's not fair. >> let's -- >> i disavow myself from that. >> we give undue scrutiny to donald trump when we need to apply to it hillary clinton. hillary clinton wants to release criminals like the obama administration has done. 19,000 last year. she wants open borders.
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which by the way, a u.s. civil rights commissioner sat before congress and said this disproportionately harms communities. hillary clinton has to answer to those in inner cities who are being displaced from their jobs and to the mother of kate steinley. she lost her life because someone in a sunni tuary city was released, should have been in jail. she died because of clinton immigration policies. >> since we don't monologues on the show, i'm going to respond to you. we should have a policy the democrats put forward. yes, it's awful. yes, we need talk about border security. all those things are true. unfortunately, donald trump has lost credibility on this issue to people are sane because he does things like what did he tonight. calling hillary clinton a bigot. he switches his position. he switched his position seven times on immigration seven times from last year. how do we know what he believes? we don't.
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he pandered to a crowd that was a pitchfork crowd. he kept saying, they're out of here. get them out of here. get them out of here. very xenophobic rhetoric. now he's tanking in the polls, tanking in swing states and he has to soften the message and change. >> some positive numbers out a little bit in the swing states. we'll pick up on the other side of the break. with hillary clinton, david axelrod is here, as well. more than an apparel company. we've always been an innovation company. using technology is a critical differentiator. changing the expectation that the consumer will have for what a sports brand should be for them. this is where we're going to need a big, bad, technology partner. bring in. cue the bell. sap. under armour is a live business. we can anticipate the issues and needs that you're going to have using live data,
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>> has proudly theft charge. let the charge. last month, bannon told mother joins we are the plat foreman for the alt-right. last month bannon said we are the platform for the alt-right. now he is the trump campaign ceo and clinton is seizing on the connection. calling the alt-right disturbing and extreme. so what is it exactly? >> it's about us having a home, a place we can be with people like ourselves. >> this video blogger says the movement which started online several years ago is about ethnic nationalism. race, specifically the expense white identity is under assault in america, fuels alt-white. which stands opposed to progressive and main stream conservative thought. supporters say they're not racist or divisive. but that is what some critics charge. >> i spent 20 years. conservatives are not racists. we are not mysogynists. this is not what we stand for. now suddenly we have the republican nominee who has
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become associated with some of these darkest elements of american politics. >> trump is a favorite of the mostly young, most identifiable men who identify as alt-right. >> we cannot afford bow so politically correct any more. >> nativism and even racial separatism are themes of the wen that embrace trump. but some of the loudest adherents say they are just being provocative. >> he has been banned from twitter. he is cheering on trump. >> he represents the best home we have of smashing political correctness apart. of breaking open, you know, all of the taboos, the stuff you're not supposed to say, allowing real debate to be had again. >> and cnn correspondent joins us now with the rest panel. i want to start with you. how significant, this whole idea of the alt-right. is this something the clinton campaign is hitting hard?
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>> tomorrow, it sounds like this is a real opportunity for the campaign. they believe they can tie donald trump pretty directly to this movement. and the most americans have not heard of it. they have an opportunity to tie trump to it. however, they may build it up. they may identify it. give it more oxygen. until how the this has been an online phenomenon. mostly young white men other are frustrated who build this franchise. you can say they're anti-women. you can say they're anti-minority dwrooms. some would say they're trolls. by giving it so much attention, clinton risks elevating this movement. >> are you concerned about that? >> no. i think the speech tomorrow will be a very on point message that shows america what this movement is and how donald trump is inherently part of it. and promoting it over and over and over. remember, there will be more than you can count examples in the speech.
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and let's not forget, donald trump is a candidate who wouldn't disavow david duke and his support. at first questioned about that, he didn't even know who he was, which is stag ordering the me. that any american who reads the papers and -- >>er he knew who he was. he gave an interview about it. he said he disavowed david duke back then so he was quite aware of who he was. >> without a doubt. so i think what will happen tomorrow won't be elevating the movement. it will be in a very important way pulling the curtain apart as it relates. >> does it matter in. >> no. it doesn't matter. the clinton campaign is very worried. donald trump is reaching out to the african-american community which is why she is giving a speech trying on falsely tie him to this alt-right group. he has no affiliation with it. he has continually disavowed racism ander david duke. and donald trump understands his party has benefited. i went to law school with people who didn't look like me. that is vision of donald trump, having a company that people of all races a part of. that's what his company looks
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like. i've seen it. and he knows society benefits from having people of all colors and all races in this country. no affiliation with these groups and she will try falsely tie him to it. >> is it right that bannon from breitbart is now in the campaign? >> you hire the person to get the job done. you don't hire them for their beliefs. you hire whoever helps you win. the ultimate game is to win the raxs not to worry about what somebody else feels. >> but all the groups feed on racial resebltment. >> and economic anxiety throughout the country. you can't untie the anxiety. >> to be on the receiving end of these disgusting miss kreenlts. i'm like, what is this? i did not know what this was. i've been doing this 20 years. and i've never been on the
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receiving end of the kinds of things, even from progressives on the left. i've gotten some vile things from there too. not at this level. it is a real thing. and absolutely taxed to donald trump. maybe he is not employing them. some would argue that he is with steve bannon but fortune did a story on the fact donald has retweeted 75 times people who are associated with this white nationalist movement including a #white genocide people. he retweeted these things. he never disavowed them. there is a connection where they feel emboldened. why does this group feel emboldened? >> and donald trump -- >> donald trump doesn't have an affiliation with the trolls on the twitter feed. we all have trolls on our twitter feeds. >> semantics. >> he was the first person in west palm beach to open the club to blacks and jews.
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this is in the 1980s. he brought a lawsuit. and part of that baltimore other country clubs were not opening their doors to these people. we can compare to it bill clinton in an all white club. >> it was a business decision. >> she's spinning that. >> i'm not spinning that. >> you are. >> one at a time. >> yet another talking point please. >> i think the issue cannot deny -- although i understand why the trump campaign doesn't want to talk about it. that donald trump throughout the entire campaign has spoken in dog whistles and odd phrasing. and in words that are clearly designed to tap into this far right racist anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-immigrant segment out there that has organized itself on the internet. and he has had numerous times to disavow himself. he has said it is a mistake.
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he has done none of that. in fact he doubles down. to say things that are divisive and then hires mr. bannon who has clearly said he wants his news organization to be the platform. and i understand you hire people who can make you win. you don't. you are as our parents told us, you are who you associate with. >> brian, do you agree with the trump supporters who are saying that this is a response to concern that the clinton campaign has donald trump reaching out to african-americans? >> and we're not nervous about it. >> i think it is fair to say that clinton does not want to talk about clinton. doesn't want to talk about her controversies. would much rather talk about donald trump and steve bannon and breitbart.
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bannon has not given any interviews in the week since he was hired. he haevent spoken publicly. no one who knows he is except the news conference about him. so it is an opportunity for clinton. breitbart, it is not the most extreme version of it. there are much more fringe websites that promote this vile content. breitbart is breitbart. er relatively moderate compared to the white supremacist sites. >> he did say he wanted to be the platform of the movement. >> he did. >> that makes it -- >> you hire people that you don't believe what they believe in. the conservatives went after barack obama with vigor over his associations with bill ayers, reverend jeremy wright, and we went after barack obama hard for the people he associated himself
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with. we don't apply same standard to donald trump. >> first of all, steven bannon was hired because he is one of the most effective research orders hillary clinton. it really saddens no hear these racist arguments against donald trump. because someone i have deep, deep respect for. he was a chin supporter. has to his credit said i don't think donald trump is a racist. he's gone after him on many other levels. but it is sad to defame someone. who has employed lynn patton, one of the highest levels. >> we're going to take a break. we expect to hear from hillary clinton next. if i booked a hotel in advance
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i'm told hillary clinton will be calling in in a matter of minutes. a few people have been where she actually is. er david axelrod, it was interesting. for the last several days we've seen much more on prompter, donald trump, kellyanne conway has been out front. talking about not using insults and the like. donald trump tonight calling hillary clinton flat out a bigot. are you surprised by that? >> well, jim acosta said it was
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a planned, it wasn't an adlib on his part. it was part of his speech. he's a habit of his campaign saying, pushing back and calling someone what they are calling him. we've seen this before. each time he comes back. i think this may be something else. there was a line that became popularized in the 2000s about the soft bigotry of low expectations. it was basically a critique of how liberals approach poverty. and you know, so perhaps whoever insert that line in the speech was saying that. i think he will have a very hard sell to make that case. you had the piece earlier in your show about the housing discrimination suit against
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donald trump in 1973. in 1972, hillary clinton went undercover in alabama to expose school discrimination there. she has a long history on these issues. it will be very hard to persuade the african-american community that somehow she's a bigot and he is their friend. >> the idea that he is moving away from a position he held. the primary season, saying 11 million undocumented graegs in this country, they all have to leave. there would be a deportation force. the good ones can come back in. there would be a door in the wall. the good ones can kol back in, but they have to leave first. now he seems to be saying, he talked about softening. now he is comments about on the same show, that those who have not broken laws can stay. it doesn't seem like he's talking about a deportation force. and christine is saying, the
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devil is in the details. we don't know what the policy is. what do you make of what clearly seem to be a change in direction? >> well, i think it is an acknowledgement of what we've been saying for a long time. the base he cultivated is not large enough to win an election for president of the united states. and that has been clear in polling. you can't wall yourself off and antagonize and frighten college educated white voters. mitt romney carried educated white voters by 14% and losing four years ago. donald trump is trailing fairly significantly among those voters right now. part of the reason is they view him as intolerant. so he is trying to address those problems by changing them. now, chris quinn. it was interesting to listen to what she had to say. i think the chin campaign is desperately interested in not letting donald trump out of that box.
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hillary clinton had a fantastic convention. she profited from it. the fact is that what really propelled her vote over the last six weeks has been donald trump's own behavior. and this image that has cemented in a lot of people's minds, as him as temperamentally ill suited for the presidency. the clinton campaign is making sure he doesn't get out of that box. if he does, some of her own vul ner hadbilities become more significant. >> donald trump has been consistent on the clinton foundation saying it is pay to play. and then there was this ap report which the clinton campaign has gone against hard saying that of the civilians, of the nongovernmental, nonforeign dignitaries met in a two-year period. many had given money to the clinton foundation. that certainly seems something
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that we'll be hearing a hot more about from donald trump in the days ahead. >> i'm sure we will. but in every campaign, there are these kerfluffles. when you're inside the campaign, one of the things you have to determine is whether this is a real hit to the main engine or with whether it's a glancing blow. if there were evidence that the, the state department performed some favor for one of these people, i think it would be a story of a different magnitude. right now it is a minor irritation and it will pass. >> hold that thought. joining us now by phone is the democratic presidential candidate, hillary clinton. thank you very much, secretary chin, for being with us. >> okay. >> at a campaign rally, secretary clinton. donald trump called you a bigot. he had been calling your policies bigoted. tonight he called you a bigot. how do you respond to that? >> oh, anderson, it reminds me
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of that great saying that double play angelou had, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. and donald trump has shown us who he is. and we ought to believe him. he is taking a hate movement main stream. he's brought it into his campaign. he is bringing it to our communities and our country. and someone has questioned the citizenship of the first african-american president who has court white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who has attacked judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass deportation force, is someone who is very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. i will have more to say about this tomorrow when i gave speech in reno. >> well, let me ask you about
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something else donald trump had says that you've been pedalling. he said today that you sold favors and access in exchange for cash to people who donate to the clinton foundation. i know you point to the life saving work of the foundation, that the foundation has done over the year. i know you denied the charges that mr. donald trump is making there. but at the very least there is an appearance with a conflict of interest. you've agreed to make changes if you're elected. why not make those changes now? have your husband step away from the foundation now? >> well, first, what trump has said is ridiculous. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by outside forces. i made policy decisions based on what i thought was right the keep americans safe and protect u.s. interests abroad. no wild political attacks by donald trump is going to change that. in fact the state department has said itself that there is no evidence of any kind of impropriety at all.
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now, i think it is important to recognize that the foundation which does do life saving work, and is so well respected here in our country and around the world, has been doing this work for a number of years. in 2009, they took steps that went above and beyond all legal requirements and indeed, all standard requirements followed by every other charitable organization. voluntarily disclosing donors, significantly reducing sources of funding, even to the point of those funding being involved in providing medication to treat hiv aids. and i think the announcements that the foundation has made really reflect its desire to
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continue as much of its important work as possible. but to do it in a way that provides great disclosure and although none of this is legally required, the steps go further than the policy that's were in place when i was secretary of state. it is important to remember, anderson, the foundation is a charity. neither my husband nor i have ever drawn a salary from it. you know more about the foundation than you know about anything concerning donald trump's wealth, his business, his tax returns. i think it is quite remarkable, his refusal to release his tax concerns is even more concerning. in the news, his business are hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to big banks, including the state-owned bank of china and business groups with ties to the kremlin. so yes, we did provide a lot of
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life-saving work. i'm proud of the work that my husband started and we did. we provided a massive amount of information. >> why would -- >> and donald trump doesn't release his tax returns and is indebted to foreign banks and foreign lenders. >> why was it okay for the clinton foundation to accept foreign donations as secretary of state but not when you're president? >> what we did when i was secretary of state, as i said, went above and beyond anything that was required. anything that any charitable organization has to do. now, obviously, if i am president, there will be some unique circumstances and that is why the foundation has hated out additional -- >> didn't those unique circumstances exist when you were secretary of state? >> no, no. look. i know there is a lot of smoke and there is no fire. this ap report put in it context. this excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders.
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other meetings with u.s. government officials when i was secretary of state. a small portion of my time. and it draws a conclusion and makes a suggestion that my meetings with people like the great white ellie, or the nobel prize winner were somehow due to connections with the foundation instead of their status as highly respected global leaders. that is absurd. these are people i would be proud to meet with, as would any secretary of state would have been proud to meet with, to hear about their work and their insights. >> according to the new york times report, you told fbi investigators that form he secretary of state colin powell advised to you use a personal e-mail account. his response this weekend was her people are trying to pin it on me. the truth is, talking about the private e-mail server, for a year, before i sent a memo telling her what did i. he's talking about the private
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e-mail account. did you say that to investigators? and were you using the private e-mail server prior to your discussion with him? >> well, look, i have the utmost respect for secretary powell. and he was incredibly gracious and helpful after i was nominate and before i took the job. i appreciated the time he took when i was preparing to become secretary. and i valued his advice. i'm not going to relitigate in public my private conversations with him. i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails. and what i've learned is that when i try explain what happened, it can sound like i'm trying to rescues what i did. and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it. i've apologized for it.
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i would do it differently if i could. but i'm grateful that the justice department concluded there was no basis to pursue this matter further and i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. >> donald trump is now indicating he would allow some illegal immigrants to remain in the country early on during the primary, he talked about 11 million undocumented immigrants all have to get out. the good once can get back in, in his words. he has said it is not amnesty. they wouldn't get a path to citizenship. what do you make of this shift if this is his policy going forward? >> well, my understanding is that the comment you just
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referred to was the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. somebody has told him, i guess, the latest people he's consulting, how damaging his statements have been. how terrible his deportation plan is. how offensive his views on immigrants have been from the very first day of his campaign. he is trying to do a shuffle here. but i think we need to look at the entire context. we need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw out every immigrant and changes his position three time in one day. it sends a message that it is a desperate effort to try land somewhere that isn't as devastating to his campaign. as his comments and positions have been up until now. >> finally, you haven't done a
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press conference in days. in terms of public appearances, you need strategy that indicates your allies believe that by keeping a low profile, you can run out the clock on trump. keep the focus on trump. how do you respond to that? will you give a press conference? >> well, anderson, i'm talking to you right now. and i've given, i think, way in excess of 300 interviews this year. so i'm going to continue talking with the press and answering questions. >> why not give a press conference with a lot of different reporters? >> well, i've got a lot that i've been sharing with the press, talking with the press as i'm doing with you right now. so stay tuned. there will be a lot of opportunities for me to talk to the press as well as continuing to talk to the american >> we appreciate you talking to us tonight. public. i know a lot of other reporters would love a chance to talk to you in a press conference. secretary clinton, thank you very much. thank you, good to talk to you anderson, good-bye.
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>> good-bye. >> i want to go back to our david axelrod who has win listening in. that was the first in almost a month, what did you make of it? >> well, she played some offense and she played some defense. she came in and delivered the message she wanted to deliver, accusing donald trump of taking the hate mainstream. and that was what she wanted to talk about. she knew obviously she would have to talk about things she did not want to talk about, including the clinton foundation flap. she said there was smoke but no fire. and as i told you before she joined us, i tend to agree with her on that. the problem for her is that there is often smoke. and that has followed her around like a cloud. and that has created some of the problems that she has created. on the other hand, when you asked her about the e-mails i
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thought she gave maybe the best answer i have heard her give. which is to say every time i talk about this and try to explain what happened it sounds like i'm making excuses and there are no excuses. and she took responsibility. that was the cleanest handling of that question that i've heard her give. so again, you know, she scored some points on offense. she parried gamely on defense and she didn't commit to holding a press conference between now and the election. so she probably considers it time well spent. >> david axelrod, thank you for joining us. as you know in interviews you know you only have a certain amount of time. clearly she doesn't want to talk about what colin powell said to her or did not say to her. condoleeza rice has no memory of there being a conversation
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between secretary clinton and powell, where powell recommended about using private e-mail. >> both clinton and trump this month have been avoiding television interviews like you. i am struck by the fact that she chose to call in tonight at a moment where donald trump has been all over the news making news every single day. i thought it was striking that she did not answer the question about press conferences, she is acting in some ways like she is already president by not acknowledging the importance of a press conference and the uniqueness of a press conference. makes me wonder how accessible she would be in the white house as president. her only answer was stay tuned. not going to be a satisfying answer to the clinton beat reporters who wait every single day hoping to talk to her. >> yes, with regard to the clinton foundation she acts like it's a see nothing, hear nothing foundation, but why did they ask to look into the clinton foundation. why when the associated press were asked to get records were
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they stone walled. and in order to find out the meetings, and people who donated. i would refer to the bernie sanders quote you're not going to have a government who represents all of us so long as you have a candidate who is depending on big money donors. she has a problem with it. >> 228 people in the justice department donated to hillary clinton. it doesn't matter, whatever they come up with it will for tnot g investigated. >> after you. >> bernie sanders was referencing -- >> but bernie sanders also said enough of the damn e-mails. >> well -- >> i think that is true that people are tired of the e-mails, there is nothing there and we should move on. i agree with david axelrod. >> well, there are some 15,000 e-mails that never had been -- >> there was nothing to go to be found in them -- hillary clinton, i thought this whole thing going back to september
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the main issue actually even for progressives was, there is too much classification, too much over-classification. and i did not think what hillary clinton did even with the national server put the united states at risk, and bernie was right, i think he was right about that. we should move on. >> the fbi director thought it was a big deal saying it was extremely reckless. it is a pretty big deal. >> maybe that is why it was wise for her to say there was no excuse shou excuse. >> i said it was over-classification. she said, i thought, god, if i could do it over again i would. >> she was laughing about it two days ago on national television, and today when she says there is no excuse. >> i think she very clearly took
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responsibility. right in this interview, you're right. very clearly took responsibility and said it should not have happened. and i said before admitting a mistake or admitting you changed is part of leadership and we don't hear those kind of statements about anything in his career, political or pre-political from donald trump, when we all know he has made mistakes. the one thing he said is i regret generally but -- secretary clinton is taking responsibility that this should not have happened. that said i just want to again go back to the ap's report which has been criticized by many national news outlets, and by many others as showing a cherry-pick 50%. if you look at somebody who would give to the clinton foundation, humanitarian, people who have international intere interests. people who should meet with the secretary of state -- >> the crown prince of bahrain
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has to go through secretary clinton -- >> but if you're the prince of cash you can get a meeting. >> if you look at the e-mail, huma said the e-mail was being set up through regular channels. so he said hey, watch this. it was happening. his e-mail was irrelevant. it was happening, and why was it getting scheduled? because bahrain is a major non-nato ally. we run the fifth fleet out of bahrain which protects the middle east. so my question is why wouldn't the secretary of state want to meet with that person? she has it scheduled as was said by her top aide. >> when she was notified he was a donor. >> if you look at the chronology of the e-mails, the secretary has taken responsibility and we still see the same kind of right wing organizations that have attacked her and her husband for 30 years trying to do it again. and we're -- >> so he is right wing -- >> the ap, many news outlets
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have taken -- how the ap reports -- >> it took 20 years to get the information. they had to sue to get it. >> that is not unusual with people's schedules in government right or wrong. but the ap reporting on this, cherry picking by them, half of them, has been criticized by many -- >> it has -- >> there is a reason that democratic governor ed rendell says shut the foundation down. there is a reason he came out and said i would not have handled it the way she did. and if she is taking responsibility, why go on late night television and laugh about the e-mails. donald trump, if he laughed about the fact he apologized we would all be criticizing him. if you take responsibility, you certainly don't go on and talk about colin powell -- >> if we were to close down the clinton foundation kind of immediately without planning, without thought and transition work, you know who would care
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about that? the millions and tens of millions of people who have gotten free hiv drugs, people who have gotten malaria drugs, people helped during crisis -- >> it is irrelevant, because you know what, it's easy for us to say -- >> you're saying andre, somebody else can take over -- >> the clintons don't have to be involved with it. they're just the source of raising the money. i mean let's get down to it. >> from my understanding they were strongly involved in the -- the foundation was or the global initiative was about negotiating to get these lower drug prices. the other organizations -- >> you don't think that that would not continue, if the clean clinton foundation closed down today -- >> $2 billion, they can afford -- >> all of that good work doesn't take away the fact there were shady things going on. the shady business. >> what happened --
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>> like a shady businessman from miami who is sitting in jail now for fraud that got a $10 million contract based on his clinton foundation connections. or the chicago traitor who knew nothing about nuclear proliferation was a donor and got put on a nuclear intelligence committee because he was a clinton donor. there are a lot of these foundations, that i'm sure that is great they did great work, but that doesn't mean there were not other things happening. >> and scrutinizing, they have done good work -- >> we all do. >> and we're glossing over serious facts about the record, the history of donald trump. we saw that in the story about the department of justice lawsuits. we saw that in the secretary follow-up by the department of justice that was covered tonight. we've seen him defaulting on
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small business people all across the country. we've seen that and him attacking a judge who was on the kill list. >> i don't think we have had any reporting on donald trump, certainly talking about it an awful lot tonight. i think it's totally fair to look at the donald trump record and also look at the clinton foundation record. >> but we can't just write it off when they saved millions of lives. >> she said believe donald trump, and he said he is going to make america great again. >> and the headline she wants tomorrow, i thought the most newsworthy quote, he is taking a hate movement mainstream. i think for clinton supporters who do not want to hear about this foundation anymore that very dramatic line will be on the line. >> is that what this is -- the speech tomorrow is about? not just perhaps reaching out to african-americans for the clinton campaign, but also
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changing the discussion from the clinton foundation. >> first thing she said was about the birther movement, a and -- >> we just spent all of this time on e-mails and foundation and we never get to debating the differences between the two parties, on $15 an hour minimum wage, college tuition, all the things that will really matter to working americans who try to survive day-to-day. i feel like this has continued on into this obsession that e-mails and foundation has nothing to do -- >> it's relevant. >> it was really offensive to hear her say he is taking the hate movement mainstream. more turn out for -- we're not a hate group, it is with givie -- about giving a voice in the government again. >> we are out of time, i don't know if that is good news or bad news, we're out of town, cnn with don lemon starts now.
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"cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. we heard anderson cooper's exclusive interview with hillary clinton and we'll have more coming on this broadcast. breaking news, a major shift from donald trump tonight on immigration and deportation. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump in an interview tonight saying no citizenship, they'll pay back taxes, they have to pay back taxes. there's no amnesty as such, there is no amnesty, but we work with them. and in mississippi he makes this incendiary charge about hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans.