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with the donald trump immigration plan or changed back or it did not. it played out in the interview with cnn. the question is does donald trump still believe that all 11 million undocumented immigrants need to go by force if necessary? last week he said yes. then he said no. then he said he will work with them. a softening they called it. in an interview with anderson coop cooper, trump is saying undocumented immigrants will have no path to status unless they leave first. jason carroll has more. >> reporter: the trump campaign trying to sort through the muddled message on immigration. the trump campaign has been specific saying donald trump has been consistent when it comes to his point of view. saying he always said no path to citizenship. no amnesty. what is clear is that the
message is unclear. the only one who can clear it up is donald trump. listen to how he tried to clear up the message last night with anderson cooper. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there a path to legalization? i'm talking about citizenship. >> there is no path to legalization. unless people leave the country. when they come back in, if they come back in, they can start paying taxes. there is no path to legalization unless they leave and come back. >> reporter: that is what he told anderson cooper. he made other conflicting statements on the subject of immigration. >> they will pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there is no amnesty as such. we work with them. okay. when i look at the rooms and i have this all over. everybody agrees we get the bad ones out. when i go through and meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject and i have
strong people come up to me. really great people come up to me and they said, mr. trump, i love you, but to take a person who has been here 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out. it is so tough. i have it all the time. it's a very, very hard thing. >> you have to send people out. >> i would get people out and have an expedited way of getting them back into the country to be legal. >> they have to go out. >> how do you do it in a practical way? >> they have to leave. >> you have to have a deportation force. >> reporter: i have spoken to a number of trump supporters who say if trump softens his position on immigration, trump will lose their votes. one supporter in particular said the reason he likes donald trump so much is because he is plain spoken and clearly this is a subject where he is not as clear as he needs to be. once again, the only one who can
ultimately clear this up is donald trump. the campaign hoping that he will finally be able to do that when he delivers his policy speech on immigration next wednesday in phoenix. christine, john. >> that's the immigration discussion. we will get back to that in a second. there is also the battle over bigotry. hillary clinton launched a scorching attack on donald trump at the rally in nevada. she accused trump of racism. handing the party over to hate groups and alt-right political movement. >> of course, there's always been a paranoid fringe in our politics. a lot of it arising from racial resentment. it never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it and giving it a national mega phone until now. >> so trump is responding basically by saying i know you are, but what am i. he told anderson cooper it is
hillary clinton who is the bigot. listen. >> you called last night hillary clinton a bigot. you previously called her policies bigoted. >> she is a bigot. look at what is happening to the inner cities and what is happening to african-americans and hispanics. she is talking all the time. she said the vets are treated essentially just fine. it is overexaggerated. >> how is she bigoted? that is having hate toward a particular group. >> she is selling them down the tubes. she is not doing anything for the communities. >> she has hatred? >> her policies are bigoted because she know these are not going to work. >> you are saying she personally is bigoted. >> she is. she comes out with the policies and others who believe like she does also. she came out with policies over the years. this is over the years. long time. she is totally bigoted. >> it does imply she has hatred
toward in this case african-americans. >> she has been extremely bad for african-americans. i think she has been extremely bad for hispanics. you look at what's happened with her policies and policies of president obama and others. look at the poverty. look at the rise in poverty. look at the rise in violence. >> hatred is at the core of that? >> maybe she is lazy. >> all right. there is so much to break down this morning. combat on the campaign trail. cnn reporter tal kopen live in washington. i want to get back to the race fight in a minute. i want to start with immigration here. anderson's interview with donald trump was so interesting last night on immigration issue. trying to figure out what donald trump really believes about deporting 11 million people. what is his immigration? is it softening or hardening here? listen to what he said about legal status for a moment.
>> there is no path to legalization unless they believe the country and come back. there's no legalization. there's no amnesty. if somebody wants to go the legalization route. go, leave the country, hopefully come back in and we can talk. >> all of us who covered immigration, there is a lot of nuance and policy around it. there are pillars of it. there are major pillars of the discussion of immigration reform and debate. donald trump is shifting on those almost daily. >> absolutely. jason said it well. the only thing that is clear is it is unclear. i don't think anyone can answer it at this point. what donald trump's immigration policy is except for the wall. that is what he keeps going back to as well. the wall he will build. i almost want to start with ted cruz. i'm not sure anyone in america who is angrier about this. donald trump largely won the
primary by going to the right of ted cruz on immigration. ted cruz staked out that ground and donald trump was harder line than that. he was asked many times during the primary if he would soften. he expressed by jeb bush and marco rubio if you get to the general election, that hard line policy will not fly with the electorate. lo and behold, trump is trying to keep it both ways. he wants to keep the base of the supporters who follow him strongly, but he realizes this is not a general election position that is tenable. that is why he goes back and forth. he doesn't know where he stands. >> where he is now is with the interview he gave us with anderson. now he says they all have to go. they have to leave the country before there is any legal
status. that is a big bright line. that is where he was a week ago that he wasn't. now he is again. i can't say this enough. the back and forth on a big bright line issue to me is staggering. >> yeah. absolutely. you know, he is still trying to wiggle within that. he said if they want to be legal, they have to leave and come back. he is saying things to anderson, we'll see. get the bad ones out. the first action as president. we don't know what that means. he is still sort of waffling on what comes next. okay, if you get the bad ones out, what happens next? he stopped mentioning back taxes in the interview with anderson. it is not clear what the mechanism is. he isn't answering directly the questions anymore about a deportation force which he very explicitly supported earlier in the primary.
>> we will see. next week, they will shape this. is he talking about a touch back or people not leaving or if they say with a non immigrant visa? what is the policy? let's talk about hillary clinton. yesterday really giving this hard speech about donald trump tying him and his policies to racism and a racist fringe. listen to her talk about the alt-right movement. >> these are racist ideas, race baiting ideas. ant anti-immigrants. making up the racist ideology known as the alt-right. the breitbart and the trump campaign represents a landmark achievement for this group. a fringe element that has effectively taken over the republican party. and this is part of a broader
story. the rising tide of hard line right wing nationalism around the world. >> and john berman who jokingly said i know you are, but what am i. you are rubber and i'm glue. donald trump said no, no, no. her policies make her bigoted. she is a bigot. that was the conversation. the other gibig story line yesterday. remarkable. >> we are talking about the external edges of the ideological movement and as donald trump is addressing the african-american community and hispanic community. this is the conservative liberal that occupies the middle ground which is undecided. hillary clinton is trying to paint trump extreme and out of step with the middle ground. it is scary that the moderate
conservatives stay home or vote for her. cannot stomach the idea of donald trump. donald trump by trying to make the pitch to minority voters may not actually expect any minority voters to go for him. his numbers are abysmal with them. that bridge may be burned. he is trying to convince the group in the middle that he is not the racist he is portrayed by the left. this is a game about the undecided voters. those people who may be in the middle as much as the rhetoric. >> we say undecided voters. it is a play for a moderate republican. it is not so much in the middle as it is in the right or center right. people who are not comfortable with donald trump. we have a lot to talk about in the next half hour. >> thanks for getting up early. wall street waiting for the words of janet yellen. speaking this morning at the economic symposium in wyoming.
investors will parse every word for clues of when to expect the next rate hike. other fed members have talked about interest rate hikes sooner. they are citing a strong job market and economic signals. experts say yellen is unlikely to indicate a rate hike next month. a recent survey found 85% expect higher rates this year. the fed left rates steady this year after boosting them last december. u.s. stocks fell in anticipation of yellen's remarks. global markets are lower. futures are flat. trillions of dollars are hanging on what she says about the american economy. >> mostly priced in at this point. they will go up? >> they are pricing it in. it is interesting. if she talks about a very robust u.s. economy and indicates more than one small fed increase, that would be bad. >> if she says things are great.
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racism. the presidential election more heated than ever. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman. everything changed when it comes to donald trump's immigration plan or changed back or didn't. it is really difficult to tell. it all played out in an exclusive interview with cnn. the basic question is does donald trump still believe all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states need to go by force if necessary? last week, he said yes. then he said no. some could stay. this was a softening, people called it. now, donald trump is back to saying undocumented immigrants will leave or have no path to legal status unless they leave first. all of this on top of remarkable
three hour stretch of campaigning when both candidates hurled explosive language. we have cnn's jason carroll with more. >> reporter: christine, john, the trump campaign sorting through the muddled message on immigration. trump has been consistent with his point of view saying he always said no path to citizenship. no amnesty. what is clear, the message is unclear and the only one who can clear it up is donald trump. listen to how he tried to clear up the message last night with anderson cooper. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there is a path to legalization? >> no path to legalization unless people leave the country. when they come back in, if they come back in, they can start paying taxes. there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back.
>> reporter: that is what he told anderson cooper. he also made other conflicting statements in other interviews on the subject of immigration. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty as such. there's no amnesty. but we work with them. okay, when i look at the rooms and i have this all over. everybody agrees we get the bad ones out. when i go through and meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject and i had very strong people come up to me. really great people come up to me and they said mr. trump, i love you, but to take a person that has been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out. it is so tough. i have it all the time. it's a very, very hard thing. >> you have to send people out. >> i would get people out and i would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. >> they have to go out. >> how do you do it in a practical way? >> they have to leave.
>> you have to have a deportation force. >> reporter: i spoken to a number of trump supporters who tell me if donald trump in any way quote/unquote, softens his position, he will lose their votes. one reason why one likes donald trump so much is because he is plain spoken and clearly this is a subject where he is not been as clear as he needs to be. the only one who can ultimately clear this up is donald trump. the campaign hopes he will do that when he delivers his policy speech on immigration next wednesday in phoenix. christine. jason, thank you. hillary clinton launched an attack on donald trump at the rally in nevada. claiming he handed the republican party to hate groups and the alt-right political movement. >> there has always been a
paranoid fringe in politics. a lot of it arising from racial resentment. it never had a nominee of a major party stoking it. >> trump responding in kind. doubling down on his accusation that hillary clinton is a bigot. and her policies being totally bigoted against minorities. listen. >> you called hillary clinton last night a bigot. you directly called her a bigot s . >> she is a bigot. you look at what is happening to african-americans and hispanics and she talks all the time. she said the vets are being treated essentially just fine. it is overexaggerated. >> how is she bigoted?
>> she is selling them down the tubes because she is not doing anything for the communities. she talks a good game. she doesn't do anything. her policies are bigoted because she knows they will not work. >> you are saying she is personally bigoted. >> she is. she comes out with the policies and others that believe like she does also. she came out with policies over the years. this is over the years. a long time. she is totally bigoted. >> does that imply she has hatred toward in this case african-americans. >> she has been extremely, extremely bad for african-americans and hispanics. you look at what happened with her policies and the policies of president obama and others. look at the poverty. look at the rise in poverty. look at the rise in violence. >> hatred is at the core of that? >> maybe she's lazy?
>> let's talk about this. tal kopan is live with us from washington. i want to start with immigration. it is extraordinary where donald trump has been the last few days on his signature issue. this was the issue he ran on more than any other during 14 months since he got in the race in june. it all changed this week. he opened the door to possibly allowing some of the 11 million undocumented immigrants to stay. last night with anderson, especially seemed to shut the door again. i want to play the clip again. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. there is no amnesty. if somebody wants legalization route, they go and leave the country and come back in and then we can talk. >> they have to go before they come back and get legal status.
some people call that a touch back policy. his campaign says he doesn't support a touch back policy. do we know what he supports, tal? >> no. we have what he said last night. this is where it stands at this moment. over the past week and throughout the campaign, we have seen from trump to continue changing, refining, tweaking, being vague about various policy positions. really not being able to be pinned down on them. that is what we are seeing here. i'm not sure anyone is angry about this than his former primary opponents who said this would happen. ted cruz tried to be the farthest right on immigration was out righted in some ways by the donald trump policies and warned he would change when it came to the general election. marco rubio and jeb bush also said what you are proposing is
not tenable for a general election perspective. the clip from hannity where he talked about ripping people apart. that is something that could come out of jeb bush or marco rubio. it is remarkable seeing him test these positions. >> he said we will work with them. that is really a new line until last night when it wasn't. another sort of story line over the past 12 hours or so, hillary clinton, she's in nevada. she's really trying to paint donald trump as someone who is out of sync with the republican party and in bed with the fringe right. listen to this. >> these are racist ideas. race baiting ideas. anti-muslim, anti-women. all key tenets making up what is known as the alt-right. the de facto merger with the
breitbart campaign represents a landmark achievement. a fringe element that has effectively taken over the republican party. and this is part of a broader story. the rising tide of hard line right wing nationalism around the world. >> tal, in that room were democrats. she was also talking to republicans. >> that is right. this is really geared toward some of the squeamish republicans. think of mitt romney for example who gave a speech not that dissimilar to the one hillary clinton gave yesterday. earlier in the campaign season warning about what donald trump represents for the republican party. it is that type of republican who is conservative, but put off by donald trump being too far from the mainstream. she is hoping that she can help that along. she can portray donald trump as so scary and out of touch with the core of republicans that
some of the people will vote for her or stay home and not give him the votes. she is making a concerted effort to distance him from moderate republicans so they have cover to cast a vote against him. saying you are not voting against republican, but against the alt-right movement. >> one thing is certain. tal kopan got up early on a friday. we appreciate it. >> your weekend starts earlier. thank you. aftershocks in italy. just terrifying the rescue workers there. getting in the way of the rescue efforts. we will have a live update from italy next. house hunting going high tech. virtual reality takes you anywhere in the world. we show you the real estate game changer. >> buying a home can be one of
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this morning, aftershocks hampering search efforts after the devastating earthquake in central italy. 267 people have died. emergency crews are looking for survivors in the rubble. a state of emergency is in effect. the first funerals for victims will be held today. i want to bring in barbie nadeau in saletta, italy. what is the latest? >> reporter: a couple of minutes ago, they brought in a search and rescue dog. they took that dog down going overall these piles that line the streets in the area. obviously the underscores how desperate they are to find someone who may still be alive. they have a better list of who may be missing and where they may have been. they have given them cause to come back through and do another
check of the areas. rescue, miracle rescue, at this moment would be great for the 6,000 civil protection and army and fire brigade workers who have been working around the clock in dangerous conditions trying to find someone alive. with each aftershock and there have been 928 aftershocks since the earthquake took place, with each aftershock, it moves the rubble and changes the landscape and puts the rescue workers at harm. >> such a difficult job. barbie nadeau, thank you. everyone is waiting to see what the fed does and what janet yellen has to say and the epi-pen controversy is not going away. we have that next. clorox 2 we've turned removing stains into a science. now pre-treat with clorox 2! watch stains disappear right before your eyes. remove 4 times more stains than detergent alone.
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american swimmer ryan lochte hoped an apology would be enough. it is not. brazilian authorities charged lochte with falsely reporting a crime. he could be tried in abstensia if he doesn't return. let's get the latest from shasta darlington live in rio where the olympics may not be over. >> reporter: exactly, john. police charged ryan lochte with falsifying the police report. police say they will notify lochte in the united states so he can prepare a defense. he is not required to return to brazil. if the judge finds him guilty, this is a crime that carries a sentence from one to six months in prison or the judge could slap a fine on him instead. let's remember how this started. lochte who went on tv and claiming that he and three teammates were in a taxi and
pulled over by robbers posing as police who put a gun to his head and stole his wallet. when police looked into this, they came out saying lochte was lying and there was an altercation at a gas station that involved the swimmers urinating in public and vandalism and armed security guards. in the end, all four swimmers have come out apologizing. the problem was lochte was no long ne longer in brazil. his teammate jimmy feigen had to pay a fine. and prosecutors will decide to take the police charges to a judge. if a judge finds him guilty, it is unlikely they will extradite lochte. >> i doubt we will see ryan lochte in brazil anytime soon. shasta, thank you. authorities say a big heroin seizure in new york could have a big impact on opioid overdoses.
officials say that more than 65 pounds of heroin from mexico across the border to new york city was seized around here this week. prosecutors arrested two suspected drug traffickers and they apparently crippled a well run operation. the amount seized to fill 750,000 doses. and an early start on your money. hanging on every word from janet yellen. what will she say about the timing of the next interest rate hike? higher rates are coming because of a strong housing and jobs market. she speaks at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. futures are flat. what started an an outrage for parents with kids with allergies is a problem. drug stocks under pressure from
the epi-pen which price increased 400%. the broken health care system is to blame for epi-pen's price hike. mylan said it would help make the pen affordable with the $300 savings card and more financial assistance. critics say why not just roll back the price increases. the economists who advised former presidents are no fan of donald trump. according to "the wall street journal." surveyed 45 white house economic advisors. of the 17 republicans polled, none of them, none of them openly support trump. this is not surprising as trump has broken with the gop on traditional policies. the paper polled democrats. 13 of whom who came out in support of clinton. >> it is an interesting article. of the people they polled, none,
including the republican advisors, support trump. trump has deliberately distanced himself. >> he doesn't want people who already advised presidents. all right. overnight, on cnn, an exclusive interview with donald trump where he made news on his immigration plan. why? how? he seemed to change it all over again. "new day" picks it up right now. >> she lies and she paints decent americans, you, as racists. >> trump is trying to rebrand himself. don't be fooled. >> we will deport many people. >> his real message seems to be make america hate again. >> i don't think it is a softening. it is a hardening. >> by the way, mexico is not paying for his wall. charged in brazil. ryan lochte hoped an apology would be enough. it was not. >> this is a crime that carries
a sentence of one to six months in jail. this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is friday, august 26th. 6:00 in the east. up first, donald trump's mixed message on immigration. shifting his position again telling cnn he hardened his stance on immigration. >> the net effect, the campaign is now all insults all the time. literally. both candidates for president debating who is really a bigot. who wins in the fight? how do you not lose in all this? our coverage begins with >> reporter: good morning to you. the trump campaign really struggling with a key question when it comes to their immigration plan. what happens to the 11 million undocumented people living here in the united states? i mean, do all of them have to
leave, or do some of them get to stay? the answer, chris, still very unclear. >> there is no path to legalization. unless people leave the country -- well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> reporter: donald trump struggling to clarify his immigration stance, now telling cnn's anderson cooper he's ruling out a pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants in the united states. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> reporter: this after indicating earlier this week that he was open to the idea. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty as such. there's no amnesty. but we work with them. >> reporter: trump sending mixed messages. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no