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>> the show making fun of itself and turning it self-inside out that way was something kind of new. >> don't we look like guys you see hanging around together. >> absolutely. >> would you like to hang around with me? >> nope. >> i'll say it again, this is the stupidest show -- >> i thought i would never want to do this show with you. >> now why? >> because you thought i was -- >> an [ bleep ]. >> there is one rule i keep trying to abide by and unfortunately i only get to it about 12% of the time and that is, it is only television. we're not doing cancer research. if the 40-year-odd history of commercial broadcasting has taught us anything, it is
nothing sacred about television. >> steven is upstairs. >> dave, i was just curious, is there any way i can get mtv on this. >> that is just a monitor and all you can get on that is our show. >> oh, that's okay. >> there was a degree of cynicism needed in the art form and it was a cynicism that became common sense after a while because it never got old. >> i watched johnny carson, and you are no johnny carson. [ laughter ] >> today we got a real big show because -- >> there was a second city chicago company and a second city toronto company. the toronto one is the one that fueled the sc tv series that was syndicated and got to the states that way. >> thank you very much for that marvelous reception. i want to thank my supporters over there in the cesarean section. >> it is healthy to be an outsider. as a comedian, and canadians are outsiders but they are looking at the culture that is right next door to them. >> it was the type of comedy
that had only been accessible if you got into the improv clubs in toronto or chicago. i had never seen anything like second city tv. >> james bridgeman, park dale. no, i'm sorry. >> it was far more conceptual humor because it didn't have to be performed in front of an audience. and the idea was it was this low-rent thing. by the seat of our pants kind of operation that give it an authenticity. >> now that our programming day has been extended -- >> where do you want me to put the kielbasa? >> put it in the frig. >> you were rooting for the show and the characters they created. there was something you got behind. whereas snl right from the gate and through the '80s was this big enterprise. >> after five golden years,
lauren decided to leave and so did those close to him, including me, al franken. so nbc had to pick a new producer. now most knowledgeable people, as you might imagine, hoped it would be me, al franken. >> well there was a question of whether "saturday night live" would continue at all. whether it would die. >> saturday night live is saturday night dead. >> oh, come on. >> from yucks to yacks. >> and my favorite is vile from new york. >> it's funny, it's funny. >> they were having a hard time. and then came the man to save the show, eddie murphy. >> you tune in and there was this explosion of talent in front of your eyes. >> it really kind of rejuvenated the show. >> i'm gumby, you don't talk to
me that way. >> after a while the show regained its status and clout and became even more of an institution than it had been. >> hey, bob, peters look great today. we were worried because we had a new cast but everyone loves us. >> you guys have been so nice to us during our stay. >> isn't that special. >> we just want to pump you up. >> a lot of things they could do on saturday night live they couldn't do on a sitcom. the humor was more daring and more satirical and it was political. >> you still have 50 seconds left, mr. president. >> let me just sum up, on track, stay the course. a thousand points of light.
stay the course. >> governor dukakis, rebuttal? >> i can't believe i'm losing to this guy. >> it's gary shandling show. >> people were taking the old principles of comedy and turning them into something new. we spent years watching sitcoms and dramas and talk shows and we knew them by heart, if somebody played on that and parodied that, we got it. >> i appreciate you coming in under these conditions. you want to hold the credits. we were going to roll the credits but you were late. >> he was aware it was a situation comedy. >> it highlighted the cliches in funny ways. >> don't look into the camera.
>> i didn't. >> you don't come in here and look in the camera. >> i didn't. >> i'll bop you. i will. if i see a tape of this show -- and you're looking into the camera -- >> well, it's about that time. >> pee wee's playhouse, a saturday morning kids show that adults would watch and wink at each other as they were watching it was very clever. >> what's the word for today? the word is good. >> it was a show certainly for kids and it was for stoned baby boomers who were totally wasted on saturday morning and watched pee wee's playhouse and saw god. >> i sure had a lot of fun. see you all real soon. till then, you better be good! at your desk? ye now, with one talk from verizon... hi, pete. i'm glad you called. (announcer vo) all your phones can work together on one number. you can move calls between phones, so conversations can go where you go. take your time. i'm not going anywhere.
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1968, the summer before high school and i don't mind saying i was a pretty good athlete. >> "the wonder years" was a guy looking back on his childhood. that in itself is not new but "the wonder years" did it with the wit and the music. and it was brilliantly written and a great performance by that entire young cast.
>> hey, steve -- >> she's not my girlfriend. >> kevin arnold has to cope with growing up during one of the most turbulent times that we've known. >> kevin arnold is just a regular kid except in the 1960s and he's not really aware of many of the events, like in one of the episodes, the whole family is watching the apollo taking off and i'm sitting there trying to call a girl. >> the first episode of the wonder years, anybody who saw it, remembers the ending where the first kiss with winnie and kevin arnold. the song they play is "when a man loves a woman." that moment seems to pure and so real. ♪ when a man loves a woman, can't keep his mind on nothing else ♪ > > it is about rebellion and being students. by the 1980s, it is time to grow up.
and so they shave their beards and put on power suits, a whole new notion. >> oh, the yuppies. last year the politicians were talking about earning their votes and now the rest of the baby boom generation are being wooed by advertisers and their agencies. >> it was clear that after the generation of the '60s, embodied by alex keaton on family ties were more interested in the corner office than the new jerusalem. >> you are a young man you shouldn't be worried about success. you should be thinking about hopping on a steamer and going around the world. >> the 60s are over, dad. >> thanks for the tip. >> you weren't laughing at michael j. fox's character for being too conservative. you were laughing at the parents for being too hopelessly liberal. >> what is this? i found that in the shower. >> that is generic brand shampoo. >> this is him. this is the guy i've been telling you about.
this is everything you'd want in a president. >> the genius of family ties it allows a youth to recognize that is focused on the future and the critique of the 60s. >> michael j. fox as alex keaton really became the center of the show. and writers were smart enough to see that they had something special and they wrote to that. >> it's not fair, alex. >> yeah, there is nothing you can do about it, jien. my advice that you just enjoy being a child for as long as you can. i know, i did. it is the best two weeks of my life. >> alex is a little bill buckley. the "wall street journal" is his bible. he has a tie to go with his pajamas. he is very conservative and intense 17-year-old. >> the first thing the teacher will ask is what you did over the summer. a lot of kids will say i went to the zoo or to the beach or to a baseball game. what are you going to say? >> i watched the iran contra hearings.
>> if mom and dad thought this generation was going to the dogs, think again. this is the generation that has discovered hard-work and success. >> american culture is changing in the '80s. and in terms of television, there is demographic segmentation. >> networks were beginning to not be afraid to appeal to a very specific demographic. >> hey, handsome. look at that shirt. >> nice suit, allen. good shoulder pads. you looking to get drafted by the eagles. >> 30-something said we're not going to have cops, lawyers or doctors. we're just going to be about people. >> why did we start this business? >> to do our thing. but right now we have two wives, three kids, four cars, two
mortgages and a payroll. that is the life now. >> 30 something is a very important show as you are going into the era of television being more introspective and emotional. and some people were buying it. but for other people when they were talking about having kids and going back to work and some of the issues that hadn't been talked about a whole lot, it was important to people. >> i was so looking forward -- i was so looking forward to doing this. to be a grown-up for just an hour. >> in the beginning, there was talk of this being the yuppy show. and you mentioned it tonight. you said if there were a category for the most annoying show, this might win as well. >> what some people perceive as annoying has nothing to do with being a yuppy. it is a word that is made up. it doesn't have anything to do with what the show. >> 30 something was not a giant hit. but it was a niche hit. it attracted an enormously upscale group of advertisers. >> the network cared who was watching and not how many were watching and that was catching on in the 80s.
>> the prosecution will ask you to look to the law, but i ask you to look to your hearts as well. thank you. >> l.a. law was partly a classic lawyer show. but it was intertwined with their personal lives and different lawyers who were sleeping together and trying to get ahead. >> the reality level on that show was like a foot or two off the ground. and you're willing to go with that because it was a whole new spin on a law show. >> tell the truth. if you had to do it all over again and if she walked into your office and said take my case, would you? of course, you would. because it is juicy, newsy, exciting stuff. >> it is really fun to take the hill street blues format and use it to frame an entirely different social and cultural strata with vastly different results. >> i wonder if i might engage with my client privately.
>> certainly. >> what are you doing for dinner tonight? >> i was planning on having you. >> okay, in that case skip lunch. >> the formula had gotten established of how you can do a dramatic show, and yet still have an awful lot of fun. >> we didn't used to be able to accept that very easily in a tv hour. and even before the '80s were out, it is like, okay, i get it. so it is like, all right, what are the rules now. >> what are you doing? >> i'm doing what i should have done all along. what i wanted to do originally. what i should have done last night. stop that, david. i'm calling the police station. stop that, david! hello, police. >> the networks realized there was an audience looking for something less predictable than traditional prime time fare. >> "moonlighting" was another show that said i see the
formulas up until here. let's do different things. >> hello. >> hello. you're looking a little pale tonight. and who do we have here? >> i don't know. >> "moonlighting" was a really experimental show. they had a shakespeare episode and a black and white episode and a musical episode. they tried a lot of stuff. >> i don't give a -- >> well, i'm at a loss. i don't know what a flying fig is. >> that's okay. they do. >> there is no trouble on the set. >> we have a very volatile relationship. there is a hate-love element to it. >> the flirtations were great and bruce and cybil were great and glenn karen kept them apart for a long time and bravo to
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in recent years, it seems that television has become a kind of electronic confessional. where guests with willing to expose painful and sometimes embarrassing aspects of their lives quite readily to millions of viewers. >> at the beginning of the decade we get the dominance of phil donahue and that is a maturation of women's issues and he seemed to talk to them in the audience and through the tv screen. >> i'm glad you called. kiss the kids. we'll be back in just a moment. >> if you look at the body of
work we've had, you're going to see the '80s there. >> i'm not here to say you're wrong. but let's understand this. when you bring a moral judgment without knowing them, against them for the way that they look, they feel that confirms the reason for their rebellion, if that is what you want to call it. >> he believed that daytime television needed to talk about the ideas we were thinking about, the issues we were concerned about. >> i don't want to characterize his question, but why don't you get this fixed instead of doing this screwy stuff? >> there is not a single recorded case in history of any transsexual that ever, through psychological treatment, changed. it has never happened yet. >> and we were putting very important people on the program. all kinds of people. gay people. people going to jail. people running for office. sometimes the same people. it was a magic carpet ride. >> you really do paint a very, very grim picture of the sitting
president of the united states. >> let me just say this. i think he's probably the laziest president i've ever seen. >> the audience for phil donahue built and built and built and led the way to oprah. >> hello, everybody. >> oprah has a particularly magical combination of her own background, her own experience, her own incisive mind, and empathetic spirit. >> thank you. i'm oprah winfrey and welcome to the very first national "oprah winfrey show." >> i was surprised at the rocket pace that oprah show took off. because it took us a lot longer.
donahue rearranged the furniture but oprah remodeled the whole house. >> people out there don't understand when you say we're in love. and i remember questioning my gay friend, you mean you feel about him the way i feel about -- it is a strange concept for a lot of people to accept. >> oprah was connecting with people in a way that no one had on tv before. and it was really special to see. >> did you know that for the longest time i wanted to be a fourth grade teacher because of you. >> i was not aware of inspiring anyone. >> i think you did exactly what teachers are supposed to do, they create a spark for learning. it is the reason i have a talk show today. >> oprah winfrey now dominates the talk show circuit, both in the ratings and popularity. >> i want to use my life as a source of lifting people up. that is what i want to do. that is what i do every day on my show. we get accused of being tabloid
television and sensational and so forth, but what we do more than anything else is we serve as a voice that felt perhaps up until my show or perhaps others, that they were alone. >> that is what 67 pounds of fat looks like. i can't lift it. it is amazing to me that i can't lift it but i used to carry it around every day. >> there is nothing more enduring to an audience than to have that kind of honesty and humility and courage on the part of a host. and that, i think, has a lot to do with her power. >> it feels like i could do some
good here, and i really do think that show does a lot of good. >> american television is drowning in talk shows. but it has never seen anything like morton downey jr. >> sit down and shut up. >> other competitors come and take the television talk show in two different directions. so you see the phenomenon of daytime television shows becoming less tame and more wild. >> the '80s brought a lot of belligerence to television. whether it was morton downey jr. being the offensive person that he was or geraldo, who did his own outlandish things. >> stay with us, we're going to get into the mind of an american boy who came under the influence of satanism. >> he takes the power of the talk show to a whole different level to put people on stage who hate each other and who will fight. >> in the case of the temple and the set and church of satan, we have not had problems with criminal behavior. >> but when you hear story after story of people committed
wretched and violent crimes in the devil's name. >> the more attention there is, the more conflict and violence there is, the more the ratings go up and the american people love to complain about it but they also love to watch. >> rivera drew sharp criticism with his recent television special on devil worship but today he's in a real free for all. >> i get sick and tired of seeing uncle tom here trying to be a -- >> go ahead. >> sit down. >> hey, hold it. hold it. >> he suffered a broken nose but said the show will be broadcast later in month in its entirety. >> well, that is not something i would have done. but there was a lot of hypocrisy. >> one of the major magazines put geraldo getting hit with the chair on the front of the cover.
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>> the big thing that changes in the '80s was the numbers of hours spent watching television, goes up. the number of hours spent talking about television is going up. and one of those symbols of television phenomenon is "entertainment tonight." >> the critics were unanimous in saying that it would never last because there simply isn't enough entertainment news to fill half an hour every night. >> "entertain tonight" has surveyed critics in the united states and canada to find out -- >> up until this time, nobody had done television like this. >> burt reynolds, the hottest actor in hollywood. >> i'm surprised to see you here. >> i'm glad to see you. we can meet here every night if you want. >> what makes successful television programming is being in the right place at the right time. and it was the right time.
>> he was with his mother as he was presented with a star on the hollywood walk of fame. >> it was very honorific of the industry. they would do serious coverage of it. it wasn't salacious. >> it was the beginning of a lot of money being made talking about entertainment and celebrities. >> robert redford -- >> the audience grew and grew and that told us that the appetite for celebrity audience was big. it was big. >> get ready for "lifestyles of the rich and famous." >> hi, i'm robin leach in monaco. >> and you've got a vip ticket to the private party. >> your sunday newspaper is still delivered with the comics around the news. and that was what i always thought "lifestyles" was. we were the comic around the
the limits with wealth and ostentatiousness in a lot of cases was very comfortable. >> one of the earliest stories we presented to you on lifestyles was about the amazing real estate wizard donald trump. if he didn't shock and surprise you back then, he's had plenty of time since. >> with all of this costs millions, not billions, do the figures ever frighten you. >> no, the answer is it is my business and my life. it is my lifestyle.
i love it. the good, the bad. >> does this bring with you inspiration. >> no political aspiration. >> and people say it is nothing more than trash. >> that doesn't upset me because i think it is the best trash there is on television. >> i'm not in the business of bringing -- >> that is the fantastic element at a time when the access is possible. >> it is escapism and aspirational. >> you want to stand in a hot tub with a glass of champagne, rock on. >> we've never seen that kind of wealth ever before. we didn't mock it. we didn't say it was right and we didn't say it was wrong. we were just -- >> and sometimes it amazes. me. i walk away from a shoot and say, well, we did it again. >> there was more of everything in tv by the 80s. your opportunity for watching stuff is increasingly vast. >> nbc presents real people. >> somebody once said that each >> somebody once said that each one of us will be a star for 15
>> they never had any problems you too. >> what are your dreams? >> to rule the world. >> michael jackson is the man of the '80s. >> music to a beat and talk. it's rap music. ♪ i'll speak my mind >> heavy metal. it glorifies sex and violence. it hates authorities. and adolescent boys love it. >> this weird beastly the pit of hell. ♪ ♪ john lennon was shot by an unknown at this time white male. >> the world has reacted with immense shock and grief to the assassination. >> it was like in one moment the '60s and the '70s got murdered. >> in his life he's given more love than most men and women on we're here to prove that love is not dead, even though john is. >> you start the decade with the death of a beatle. you don't really know where point. you know, culturally or musically. >> for a while it seemed there was nothing new on the horizon. announcing the latest achievement in home the power of sight. the power of sound. >> stereo. >> mtv. music television.
>> we all are so excited about this new concept in tv. we'll be doing for tv what fm did for radio. >> at the time the world was saying we don't think anybody's over. but we knew we had something special. ♪ my little pretty one, pretty one ♪ ♪ when you gonna give me some time sharona ♪ >> mtv made you feel like those artists were in the room. you had a personal concert all day. ♪ crack that whip >> when you have the rotation videos being rotated over and of exposing new acts. ♪ >> britain was ahead of the they hay ton of videos in their and that was what paved the way british invasion. >> if you look at some of the groups on the popular music can't help asking where on earth did they come from? well, the answer is the same they come from britain. >> the music isn't anything like the famous group that came from >> you've got to understand, we're a new generation. a new wave. ♪ you were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar ♪ ♪ when i met you >> by the early 1980s new wave is used to describe these sleek coming out of england. ♪ don't you want me baby ♪ don't you want me, oh >> british artists all understood how to use visuals in a way that i think american artists didn't necessarily get ♪ do you really want to hurt
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>> well, excuse me! >> we like to call them tastefully smutty. ♪ her name is rio and she dances on the sand ♪ ♪ just like that river twistin through the dusty land ♪ ♪ >> when i first met duran duran, they were saying that they thought they looked like rock so why not become rock stars. ♪ don't stand ♪ don't stand so ♪ don't stand so close to me >> why do you think we're so >> well, there's a tradition years from the days of the
where british bands seem to be >> the police have sold 4 "rolling stone" chose them as taking note of the swirling, sound. ♪ giant steps are what you take ♪ ♪ walking on the moon >> it was incredible to see and i couldn't believe what i i was shocked. >> i once read that you were called the pink floyd of the what do you think of that? >> we're not at all. we're the cure of the '80s.
>> there was a lot of fun to be had in al and peg bundy. >> after fox introduces "married with children, it does very, very well. and then after that, they came up with another hit, "roseanne." >> typical american families weren't on television for that long. hardly anybody lived like that. that was the way advertisers
wanted you to live like that. >> the ideal situation is if you can subvert whatever common stuff is said about families and about parenting. >> what's in this? >> oh, i got you kids new leg irons. >> who are loudness and her unfilteredness were key to why we liked her. she was saying stuff about working class men and about men and women. and it was about marriage and raising kids and just how hard it is. >> oh, great, i'm going to look like a freak. >> what else is new? >> shut up! >> this is why some animals eat their young. >> the 80s was a big decade for the evolution of comedy, for the evolution of dramas. >> do you think people are paying more attention than in years previous? >> clearly people that are watching our shows are and "30
something" and "cheers" and "saint elsewhere." it's their words that define them and i think that's what people like. >> what we're supposed to be here is the one thing people can trust. if you go out there like a bunch of night riders, what the hell are you but just another street gang? >> that decade spawned an extraordinary number of shows that carved out a niche for themselves. we began to turn television into an art form. for the first time people were proud to say i write for television. >> up until that point television was second class. in the 80s, it was something else entirely and it was new and it was kind of interesting. >> it's like everyone in the 80s wants to start to tell their stories. that's what really changes things. >> the unexpected were more welcome in the 80s.
predictability lost its cache. >> television still shapes the thinking of america unlike no other element in our country, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. >> it gave rise in a way i think has raised the bar in television exponenti exponentially. >> there's a shift from wanting to placate the audience to wanting to please the audience. >> we had one hell of a run, didn't we, partner? >> we sure did, sonny. >> i'm going to miss you, man. >> i'm going to miss you, too, sonny. >> can i give you a ride to the airport? >> why not.
♪ ♪ we'll be doing for tv what fm did for radio. >> there are some that have accused your videos of being soft porn. >> we like to call them tastefully smutty. >> they never had any problems saying how they feel. you too. >> what are your dreams? >> to rule the world. >> michael jackson is the man of the '80s. >> music to a beat and talk. it's rap music. ♪ i'll speak my mind >> heavy metal. it glorifies sex and violence. it hates authorities. and adolescent boys love it. >> this weird beastly presentation that was birthed in the pit of hell.