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he called it a softening then flipped. >> i have had people say it's a hardening. >> is trump changing his immigration policy or does he not understand the details? plus -- >> there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. >> a better answer, but will new e-mails about the clinton foundation bring new trust questions. it's watergate all over again. >> the character attacks get sharper. >> hillary clinton is a bigot! >> he is taking hate groups mainstream. >> weeks left and it's a mud
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bath. si "inside politics," the biggest stories sourced by the best reporters, now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. three questions after a contentious and confusing week. was donald trump confused about immigration policy or did he shift and quickly retreat because of conservative outrage. >> there certainly can be a softening because we are not looking to hurt people. there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> question two. do you believe it was just an oversight that hillary clinton's lawyers didn't turn over to the government e-mails detailing the cozy relationship between the clinton foundation and the clinton state department? >> i know there is a lot of smoke, and there's no fire. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. >> question three. it's a sunday morning. but if it's this nasty ten weeks
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out, what comes next? >> what is being uncovered now is one of the most shocking scandals in american political history. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. >> with us to share their reporting and insights julie pace of the "associated press." cnn's jeff zeleny ed o'keefe and the atlantic's molly ball. on tuesday this past week it sounded like immigration was the issue on which he was trying to make a genuine pivot to the middle. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there is no amnesty as such. there is no amnesty. we work with them. i meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and i have had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me and they've
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said, mr. trump, i love you, but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it's so tough. >> that made a lot of conservatives nervous. sarah palin among them saying she was worried trump was going all wishy washy, in her words. it sounded like a flip-flop by the candidate who speak of a deportation force in the primaries and praised what was called operation wet-back. on tuesday trump retreats. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> so you could call it a softening. now it's a hardening. they can pay back taxes and we'll work with them. people are telling me it's too tough to throw them out of the country. now they have to leave. what is donald trump's policy on the 11 million undocumented? >> i don't think we know exactly, but i think that, if you look at his statements over this campaign in totality, you have to say that he is closer to where he was at the start of the
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campaign than where he was in that hannity interview. it's clear someone got to trump at some point this week and said, we should explore a softening, we should explore some kind of policy that, as he said, would keep families together who have been here for several years. but trump clearly did not like the push-back that he got from conservatives when he started moving on that. it's amazing that we are at this stage of the campaign and one of the major party candidates is still trying to figure out not just a big policy position but his signature policy position. >> his running mate, governor mike pence will be with jake tapper on "state of the union," he says trump is being like a ceo and listening to good ideas. there is an election in ten weeks. a lot of people criticized trump saying we don't know the details on policies. at least on immigration we had a better sense probably than on any other issue. is it fair to say he confused
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things? was this trial balloon. did he go on sean hannity to test this out? >> based on my conversations -- it was a bad focus group because it was so small but about a dozen voters in florida this week, i think it was a trial balloon. i think, what they knew going in was, as long as he stays absolutist on the wall he is allowed to waffle an everything else. to a person, they all said, as long as he builds the wall he can do whatever he wants on everything else. and for more than nine months i have had his supporters and not only professional supporters but voters in the field say, he knows that you can't remove 11 million people. i get that. what he's saying is we have to find a way to deal with these people who are here and committing crimes or fraud and get rid of those people. all the other stuff is talk and bluster and is designed to sort of vent our frustration. he is no different now on this
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an jeb bush or marco rubio or scott walker or any of them. >> or president obama. >> president obama or hillary clinton at different times in 2008 who waffled and clearly struggled with this in public and confused what their position was. >> he does now say -- the thing about the hannity thing was pay back taxes, work with them. people come to see and say you can't make them leave. that was an indication, if you know the language of the immigration debate, a clear sign that you'd let them stay, some path to legal status. listen to him with anderson cooper after the blow-back. rush limbaugh and sarah palin came out against this. other conservatives said what's going on here. here was the next day. >> i don't think it's a softening. >> 11 million people are no longer going to be deported. >> i hear people saying it's a hardening. >> 11 million, there is a path to legalization. is that right? >> it's a process. you can't take 11 at one time and say, good morning, you're
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gone s gone. >> listen to him yesterday in iowa. this state has defined especially republican politics. >> we are going to get rid of them day one. we start day one. the reign of terror, and it is that -- you go to some places and you will see, the reign of terror will be over. they know all of them. they know the good ones, the bad ones. they know all of them. we are going to get rid of the criminals, and it's going to happen within one hour after i take office we start. >> so apparently we're back to boom there. within one hour of starting. you can also talk to tom republicans as i have done this week who aren't being too cynical and saying, he also may be intentionally trying to confuse the issue. because the takeaway from the week, we say he is a disaster on this policy. not necessarily. he is definitely, you know -- every viewer, every voter is not tuning into every iteration of his hour by hour change.
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he ends the we cannot looking as harsh in some respects in some people's minds. at some point he has to clarify his position for the right. sarah palin has so far only given a newspaper interview to the "wall street journal." when she starts speaking loudly it will be more of an issue. he has canceled his speech again. i think on wednesday it was supposed to be in arizona. not doing it. >> this is about getting his numbers with minority voters up even just a few fractions of a point. >> suburban -- >> or amongst suburbanites who think he's intolerant up a bit. >> he is doing what he's always done on every issue, which is to try to take all the sides so everyone can hear what they want. immigration was a notable exception to that. he said everything is negotiable, which ought to have been a red flag to people who
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want him to be absolutist. now he's demonstrating that indeed everything is negotiable. he has a meeting with hispanic leaders and feels them out. he has different people in his ear. i don't think it's more complicated than that. i don't think there is a grand strategy. it's literally him feeling out in public, taking a poll of the fox news audience and trying to tell them what they want to hear in realtime. sometimes people want mutually irreconcilable things. that's hard to accept. you always get the general election pivot, the etch-a-sketch moment. usually the nominee pretends that's not what they're doing. here there is no pretense. >> you can say here they go again. look at what he said during the week. don't trust us. look at it and say is that consistent? trump says this is our fault. >> in recent days the media, as
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it usually does. has missed the whole point on immigration. they have missed the point. all the media wants to talk about is the 11 million people or more or less. they have no idea what the number is because we have no control over our country. they have no idea what it is -- that are here illegally. >> um, point taken if in the media mr. trump will concede on this issue, you have to include this guy. i think his name is rush limbaugh. >> who knew! who knew that it would be donald trump to come off and convert the gop base to supporting amnesty. >> he said -- rush said as part of that, give me a minute to regain my composure. this one -- to your point, a lot of nominees do this. but on this one issue, the base thought this is the one issue on which we know trump.
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let him say what he wants about this and say what he wants about that. on this one -- but i mean, he was like hysterical there. >> it is hilarious. ever since the day after the 2012 election when mitt romney lost, republicans have been talking about the need to get right on immigration. and they've been talking about the need to figure out a plan for the 11 million people. this isn't just a side issue in the immigration debate. this is actually very central to working on this problem. and the idea that you had candidates in this race like jeb bush, like marco rubio at a certain point, who actually had looked for policy positions that could get republicans right, and also might be more favorable to a lot of voters on a variety of other issues and potentially could have won this election more easily than it looks like trump's path will be. and they get sidelined in a primary where trump pushes everybody to the right again. frankly, it is hilarious. i can understand why rush would be cracking up. >> what's the impact? does he risk losing his base if
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they think he is waffling? does it almost not matter? do voters tihink as long as he builds the wall he is tougher than any opponent? what's the net plus? does he gain in the middle and not lose on the right? >> i think what trump was saying in that speech was what ed was saying. the focus is the wall. everything else is a side show. think about what trump needs to be doing right now in the election. he needs to be growing his support. the people who are already with trump, yeah, a lot of them will not budge. a lot of them will continue to hear what they want to hear and say he'll build the wall and that's all they care about. is he growing his support? is he convincing people who are on the fence or want to like him but are put off by some of his statements? is he convincing them to come into the fold? maybe there are some who see it as a softening. but when he goes through the public back and forth and there is no clear stance, i don't think he is growing support. >> there is an election in ten weeks. happens to be a debate a month
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from now. at some point, you're right, what to do with the undocumented is central to this question. you can get consensus not for a wall but a tougher border. more technology, more border patrol agents. that's been the problem. until he speaks with clarity, we'll keep talking about it. up next, donald trump calls hillary clinton a bigot. she says a trump white house would be open to racists and hate mongers. health has been an issue in this campaign, and there are medical records and then there are pickle jars. >> are you in good health? >> well, this has become one of their themes. here, take my pulse while i am talking to you. >> okay. >> so -- make sure i'm alive. >> oh my god. there is nothing there. >> there is nothing there. >> can you open this jar of pickles? this has not been tampered with.
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you might say or many people are saying his pitch was unorthodox to say the least but donald trump took time at every event this week to reach out to african-americans. >> i'll bring jobs back. we'll bring spirit back. we'll get rid of the crime. you'll be able to walk down the street without getting shot. >> now at first hillary clinton labeled trump's tone offensive. in a scathing speech thursday she said no person of color should trust anything trump says. >> of course there has always been a paranoid fringe in our politics. a lot of it arising from racial
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resentment. but it's never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it, and giving it a national megaphone until now. >> on friday clinton's running mate joined the attack. >> he has supporters like david duke, connected with the kkk going around and saying donald trump is their candidate because donald trump is pushing their values. kkk values, david duke values, donald trump values, are not american values. they're not our values. >> in that part republicans say was out of bounds because tim kaine went kk values, david duke values. donald trump says there are commas in there. republicans say that's over the top and that back when hillary clinton was in the senator one of her mentors was bobby bird who was a member of the kkk in his youth. he later apologized and said it was a mistake.
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somebody will have to wake up and be the president-elect and say i have a mandate to do this. our central campaign last week was she is a bigot, you are a racist. >> we've heard her say a lot of things about donald trump. a lot of speeches. that was different. it wasn't about saying he is not qualified because of his business bankruptcies. this is different. i think that she was -- i was struck most by the republicans she was try to go reach out to in that speech. she, in one speech, defended ted cruz, paul ryan, george w. bush, bob dole, john mccain, saying that they have all thrown out racism, they all have rejected all this argument here and what is donald trump doing to the republican party, what are his -- some of his fringe supporters doing. so i think she is trying to
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really highlight this moment here. the question is, is she a good messenger for what. is anybody out there worried about donald trump and will say i'm going to vote for hillary clinton. but by drawing attention to it was an important week on the campaign. >> the clinton campaign is making a conscious decision to not paint all republicans in the light that they're painting donald trump, to essentially say to republicans, i understand that am so of you disagree with him too. you might not like me and think i am the best choice but i am certainly better than him and you don't want your party overtaken by that. the second was the silence from most republicans in terms of defending their nominee against these charges. i don't think i saw anyone who was not a hard-core trump supporter come out and speak to his defense after that. and that is pretty remarkable at this stage. >> isn't this sort of overture in mentioning the republicans designed to prepare her to
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governor if she is president? she is saying to the senior republicans, suddenly, i know you're not him, i know he doesn't represent what you are. i need and i want to work with you when i am president? to me that is part -- to me that's -- when i hear that, that's what it sounds like, that she is sort of telegraphing to them, i know the difference and i know i'm going to need to work with you if i am president. >> the clinton campaign sees two basic tracks of attack on donald trump for the next two months. number one, he is a threat to national security. number two, he is hateful. so this is part of a deliberate strategy to, as we were saying, to win over the moderates, the uncertain voters, win over the conservatively independents and traditional republican voters by convincing them that trump is beyond the pale. you heard the scripted response that donald trump read off the prompter saying, listen, republicans, the democrats
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always call us racists and we're tired of this strategy. it's also the skcase that the traditional republican voters do feel they are always called racists and they're tired with the six degrees of separation with the kkk that they feel is a common election-year campaign. will this be effective for hillary clinton? we don't know. >> one goal is to keep the suburbanites from going back to trump but also to motivate african-americans and latinos to make sure they turn up. he made the point you just made but also said how can you listen to hillary clinton talk about race when she is this. >> hillary clinton is a bigot! who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she is going to do nothing for
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african-americans. she is going to do nothing for the hispanics. she doesn't care why her policies have done to your communities. >> the language trump uses has become part of this conversation about is he reaching out in the right way. his campaign says, yes, he has been criticized for giving these speeches largely in front of white audiences or in white communities. he'll be going next weekend with ben carson in detroit. they say we'll see more of him in the inner city. yesterday he was on twitter again. this makes you ask questions. a did yocousin of dwyane wade wt and killed in another senseless act of violence and he tweeted, just what i have been saying, african-americans will vote trump. this is the part about trump that people see and they say it's narcissistic. how about my thoughts and prayers are with the family. not there is a tragedy. i'm going to get votes.
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>> how about it's not about you. every single thing -- >> about him. >> first the orlando shooting and this. this is not about people voting for trump. he may be firing up the african-american community and hispanic voters better than she is, like you said before. i think, just like let him keep talking. imagine the ads that will come out from this week. i think he's not talking policies. there are actually serious policies you can discuss about what is happening in inner-city america like chicago, other places. he is not talking about that. >> i hope in the debates we get to this, because you make a key point. you can criticize hillary clinton on policy if you want. i covered the clintons years ago when they were working in the mississippi delta in arkansas to help poor and mostly black kids and get out of poverty and get better schools. did they do it right? let's have a debate about that. we don't have a policy debate. we have name-calling. >> there is a sense of otherness when he talks about african-american voters that i wonder is coming through as much as i think it is where he sees them almost as a group that can
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be swayed back and forth and really underestimates the deep roots that african-americans have with the democratic party. they are a huge part of the democratic base. this is not a group of people that is kind of waffling around looking for a political home right now. they have a president who is black, the leader of the party is black. many members of congress who are black and officials in other states. this is not, again, a group that is sort of lost in the political wilderness right now. >> in the clinton advertising on this you can be certain you'll see the target the advertising in the communities, front page story in the "new york times" today saying when trump was building his business one way he did it was discrimination in rental housing. tough debate for him. up next, newly discovered hillary clinton e-mails and a new answer from the candidate. take a moment for the "inside politics" quiz. which presidential candidate put out the first tv campaign ad? jfk, eisenhower? nixon or fdr.
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months ago, that would be months ago, hillary clinton said her lawyers searched her private server and turned over all e-mails that could be considered work related. this past week we learned the fbi found 15,000 e-mails and documents not turned over including a number detailing effort by top staffers to get big foundation donors meetings with secretary of state hillary clinton. or other favors from the state department. donald trump calls it pay for play. >> hillary clinton ran the state department like a failed leader in a third-world country. that's what's it's run, like a third world country. she sold favors and access in exchange for cash. >> clinton says the foundation
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will adopt stricter rules if she becomes president. but she insists no unethical dealings and took issue with a news report suggesting big foundation donors were able to get on her appointment list at the state department. >> i know there is a lot of smoke, and there is no fire. this ap report put it in context. it excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders. >> the ap happens to be represented at the table. i am an alumni of the ap and member of the pension plan. >> the medians that ap looked at were the meetings that were not with government officials, the normal type of people. they're meetings that she would have more discretion over. she might be able to say yes or no more easily than a foreign minister rolling through town. half the people were foundation
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donors. it's important to note that the only reason we have the calendars is because the a.p. had to sue for them. we've learned this week that we won't get the rest of the calendars before the election. >> she was last secretary of state how long ago? four years? democrat, republican administration, i am sorry. you know, this is on a computer somewhere. you have these records. this is nuts. >> the problem is -- it's not just -- obviously she is opening herself up to republican criticism but democrats i talked to this week shaking their heads that the clintons have not resolved the foundation issue. the foundation does good work, no doubt about it. they still haven't dealt with it because of their own -- >> it's the clinton way. you knew on day one of her campaign, what would the issues be? private e-mail server, clinton foundation, clinton ink, the idea that the clintons have two sets of rules or their own set
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of rules. yet here we are how many months after she gets into the race and they still haven't dealt with these things. that's a trademark clinton reaction. we will react only as necessary, we'll give as little as possible just to try to put it away and survive. >> to not provide the transparency and then criticize the report for not having all of the information. but, you know, this should have been a pretty bad week for hillary clinton, with the news breaking on the clinton foundation, which, as you say, they should have anticipated would be this much of an issue. and the news about the e-mails. and she was able, i think, to somewhat turn the page with the speech in reno. that was a deliberate thing. there was a deliberate timing to that, it was to chase some of these headlines off the front page and some of the -- some of the debates that we're having about, well, was there a quid pro quo or only the appearance of impropriety? it's in the something she wants to be explaining. >> if you need to change the foundation rules if she is
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president, why didn't you need to as secretary of state? it's a lesser job but you're in public service and pretty sure you're going to run for office. >> why not when she started her campaign? say from the moment we begin the campaign it stops. she said friday -- i thought this was news, maybe she has already announced this -- that they're trying to find ways to peter out parts of the foundation to other foundations or other organizations to continue the work once she becomes president. there too also raises questions about, well, who exactly are they talking to. >> the "wall street journal" reported one of them is one of chelsea's friends to manage the endowment. >> chelsea clinton will remain on the board. if they're people donating to the foundation or one of the spinoff programs that think a member of the clinton family can help them get access, chelsea is not a bad person to be dealing with. >> in an interview with anderson cooper, i spebecause these founn questions and e-mail questions,
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the more she can deal with them before the debates. i assume she thinks it will help her. listen to her when asked about e-mails in the past, she has given lawyerly answers or say listen to what jim comey said or colin powell told me to open up the server. in talking to anderson cooper, finally -- >> what i learn is, when i try to explain what happens, it can sound like i am trying to excuse what i did. and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decisions to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it. i have apologized for it. i would certainly do differently if i compte -- could. >> she set up a private server, which is unlike anyone else, any secretary of state, anyone else here. it was a clean answer in terms of what she has given. she gave a similar one about a
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year ago and then always says it's a conspiracy, it's someone else, and then laughs it off. if that is what she sticks with going forward many people inside her campaign will be relieved. we'll see if she does or not. still, it's not a private e-mail account or one e-mail account, it was a server she set up. >> it's 2016 couldn't she at least do that on facetime? i am sick of this phone call interview. this is not c-span washington journal. it's ridiculous. it's television. come on. >> it's amazing that it takes her a year to get to an answer that everyone feels is finally probably where she needs to be. it is something about the clintons that is just mind-boggling why it takes so long to get to a point where you can say plainly, no excuses, it was all me. >> that's the answer you get, though, when you ask very smart people involved in the campaign who have known the clintons for years. why, why, why? they look at you like this is the clintons. it's frustrating but that's the
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when we count the votes in ten weeks, and as they study this race for the next, oh, 100 years, this bold donald trump declaration is worth remembering. >> i go around, make speeches, talk to reporters, i don't even need commercials if you want to know the truth. why do i need commercials? >> if you really want to know the truth, he could not be more wrong about that. let's use pennsylvania as a case study. early may it was a dead heat. three months later, it was hillary clinton up ten. ads like this had something to do with that. >> who do you talk to for military advice right now? >> i watch the shows. i really see a lot of great -- when you watch your show and all of the other shows --
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>> and ads like this one. >> when i saw donald trump mock a disabled person, i was just shocked. >> you got to see this guy, oh, i don't know what i seaaid, ah, yo remember. >> that was just pennsylvania. look at the spending. $6.4 million in tv ad spending by the clinton campaign and the super pac. shy of $180,000 by pro-trump forces. zero by the trump campaign. more than 8 to 1 spending. the conventions. hers managed better than his most would say. donald trump keeps giving them fodder for these ads. when you talk to people who study consumer and voter behavior, they look at this especially in the swing states and view it as political malpractice when trump was essentially unarmed when the clinton campaign is looking at
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focus groups saying he is unfit to be president he is mean-spirited. >> the challenge here is there is so much -- if you talk to republicans, they're frustrated because there is so much he could be using to prosecute. he could be tadvertising on e-mails and on things that people don't like about the clinton campaign. there is much fodder to work with on that side as well and he is not. it gives republicans some heartburn. he has upped his rent at trump tower. spending his money on a lot of other things, not ads. ads do work. will they always work? in 2020, 2024. probably not. right now people watch tv, they work. >> there has been a debate saying they don't work. people thought in the republican primaries the attacks on trump were not effective with the crowded field. but if you study it state by state it's unthinkable. if you let them spend months -- it didn't work at first. then you have the conventions
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and people are like, oh, yeah, i saw that, i saw that. >> one ad in isolation in one week will not move a lot of voters. it's about reinforcing a message and fientdingnding many ways to that. he essentially is not using one of the tools that's in a candidate's arsenal. >> late to the game. he is on the air in four states right now. ohio, pennsylvania, north carolina and florida. if he wins those four states, he can be the next president of the united states. it's still in play even though the map is tilted heavily in her favor. let's show a little bit about this. donald trump has one ad that's been up for a little more than a week. here it is. >> in hillary clinton's america, the system stays rigged against americans. syrian refugees flood in. illegal immigrants convicted of committing crimes get to stay. donald trump's america is secure. terrorists and dangerous criminals kept out. the border secured. our families, safe. >> there is a tough tone to that in large part because in many of the swing states he is still only getting 75% or 82% of the
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republican vote. he needs to gin up the republican numbers. even now he is still being outspent. he's in the game. in the "times" today. sheldon adelson who said at the campaign i want to help you, mr. trump. he hasn't fallen in with money because he's worried about the tone of the campaign. there was a report the other day, look at the lawsuit, all the language about he didn't want his kids to go to school with jewish people. can he level the playing field? is there time in the states that matter to him? >> the other thing he did this week. he hired a national field director, in late august. this is another area of the campaign where clinton has had the field completely to herself. she has built a ground and field organization in these states. we shouldn't pretend it's cut and dried about the effects of the ads. political scientists will argue that the ads have a small effect, especially this far out from the vote. it's kind of a fascinating,
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controlled experiment that we're seeing, what happens when one candidate runs a traditional campaign and the other just doesn't, right? we've never seen this kind of lop- -- part of the reason they don't think ads work is because usually they're equal and sort of cancel each other out. i think what the ads are doing in the swing states is they're giving her a floor and reinforcing her message and convincing the people who may have once leaned toward her to stay in the fold while he is not giving them reason to sway back. >> she doesn't have a terribly compelling record and voters don't trust her but she has moved independence and college-educated whites with the sustained assault of tamerlan tsarnaev -- advertising. here are the results of the quiz question. which presidential candidate put the first tv ad up? the answer, dwight david eisenhower. most of you got it right. ed too!
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head around the "inside politics" table and ask our reporters to get you out ahead of the political news around the corner. julie pace. >> the clinton campaign is starting to engage in a time honored presidential election tradition. debate expectation setting. the clinton campaign feels like she is going to go into the debates with the heightened expectations to normally saddle an incumbent president while trump will have a low bar to clear. we'll start to see officials reminding reporters and voters that trump was actually pretty good in his republican debates and obviously has a lot of experience being on television. some campaign officials i have talked to say they're specifically looking at the 2000 campaign for lessons learned. democrats tried to cast george bush has a lightweight and one official told me they set the
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expectations for him so low that if he didn't drool on himself he would win. >> never seen trump in a one on one debate. looking forward to it. jeff. >> he's on the verge of returning back to the campaign trail for hillary clinton. democrats familiar with his schedule tell me he'll devote nearly all of october to campaigning for hillary clinton. he'll be, of course, trayiying fire up black voters and setting his sights on iowa and nevada, two states with more white populations where he won and she is struggling mightily. as well as joe biden and michelle obama. >> all hands on deck. >> when he visits florida, he may find a little bit of a different landscape when it comes to registered voters. i was talking to susan mcmahonus in florida. who has looked at the voter
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registrations as they're changing. under 30-year-old voters are increasingly unaffiliated. 34% compared to 38% for democrats and 26% for republicans. they've slid considerably. while they have caught up to democrats overall across the state, it's a sign of the continuing trouble that both parties are going to have but especially republicans this year as they see more young voters, more minority voters go no party affiliation as they call it in florida. could scramble things in 2018 when they have a gubernatorial and senate race. >> harder to track the voters. >> speaking of florida some of the last big senate primaries are coming up on tuesday. in florida, marco rubio, the once and future senate candidate has a challenger, a wealthy businessman who has made him spend money in that primary. on the other side there is the fire-brand liberal congressman allen grayson against his fellow congressman patrick murphy, the establishment choice, who is
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favored to win the primary but who has also been put through the paces. in arizona senator john mccain has a challenger who has accused him of not being conservative enough but also made attacks on his age and his health. all these primaries we think the favorite will make it through, but they have put the incumbent or favorite candidate through their paces, made them spend some money. and where the vote totals end up could tell us where the base is. >> we'll see if this restlessness in the republican base. john kasich is campaigning in new hampshire today and it's stirring up grumbling from donald trump supporters in the state. you may recall the ohio governor was one of trump's primary rivals and you may know john kasich has refused to endorse donald trump. john kasich is keeping another presidential run in 2020 on the table. that's why a visit to new hampshire in the stretch of the 2016 campaign is a tad curious. he's there to endorse chris
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sununu. he is the son of the former governor john sununu and the brother of the former senator. sources involved in today's event say the younger john sununu, the former senator, made a direct appeal to kasich and that kasich wants his supporters to see how much he values their loyalty and support and, yes, he hopes they return the favor if there is a kasich 2020 campaign. always fun. never ends. that's it for "inside politics." thanks for sharing your sunday morning. up next, mike pence, donald trump's vice presidential pick on "state of the union" with jake tapper.
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