tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN August 28, 2016 6:00am-7:01am PDT
\s mixed signals. >> no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> did donald trump reverse and re-reverse a key part of his illegal immigration proposal? the cornerstone issue of his entire, unprecedented battering ram of a campaign? we'll ask his running mate governor mike pence where trump stands in an exclusive interview. plus, race and the race.
>> hillary clinton is a bigot! >> there has been a steady stream of bigotry coming from him. >> with the civility and restraint of a facebook comment section, the accusations hit a fever pitch on the campaign trail. is this the election's most ugly turn yet? is any of it fair game? and, chief distraction? donald trump's brand-new campaign ceo now accused of anti-semitism. is the guy brought in to stop the distractions on his way to becoming an even bigger one? plus, the best political minds will be here with insights from the campaign trail. hello. i am jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is softening, or maybe it's hardening. tough to tell. the stairway to heaven of donald trump's campaign, his biggest identifiable hit with the his fans. unapologetic.
nonnegotiable stance on undocumented immigrants needing to leave the country. did mr. trump suggest this week it might be negotiable. asked about those in the united states illegally who contribute to society, have kids here and are other-wise law abiding mr. trump said this. >> there certainly can be a softening because we are not looking to hurt people. we want people. we have some great people in this country. we have some great, great people in this country. >> this left many asking if mr. trump had changed his position on the biggest issue of his campaign, arguably. his insistence during the primaries that all 11 million undocumented immigrants will be forced to leave or removed from the u.s. now is he suggesting some may be able to stay? well, he told cnn this. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> yesterday in iowa he skirted the issue and focused directly on people here illegally who have committed other crimes.
>> on day one, i am going to begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country. including removing the hundreds and thousands of criminal illegal immigrants that have been released into the united states -- >> so what does it all mean? let's get clarity. joining me now for an exclusive interview is donald trump's running mate indiana governor mike pence. >> thanks, jake. >> let's start with the issue of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the united states. this is what mr. trump promise in november. take a listen. >> we're going to have a deportation force. you're going to do it humanely. >> will they be ripped out of their homes? >> they'll go back to their country. that's the way it's supposed to be. >> so, mr. trump has been saying that on day one, the violent
undocumented immigrants will be -- will leave the country. but what about the rest? what happens to the other lef11 so million, however many there are? will there be a deportation force removing these individuals from the united states? >> let's be very clear first off. nothing has changed about donald trump's position on dealing with illegal immigration. he put this issue at the center of this presidential campaign in the republican primaries. and his position and his principles have been absolutely consistent. we're going to secure the border. we're going to build a wall, have a physical barrier, enforce the laws of this country. end sanctuary cities, implement e-verify. and we will have a mechanism for dealing with people in this country that -- you heard the word "humanely." it will be fair and tough but there will be no path to legalization and citizenship unless people leave the country. he has said that consistently. the contrast with hillary clinton, who supports amnesty,
open borders, who wants to implement executive amnesty again on day one, even though the supreme court of the united states rejected it. and hillary clinton, who wants to increase refugees from the terrorist-torn country of syria by 550%. the choice couldn't be more clear for the american people. donald trump has been completely consistent in his positions, jake. >> except on this issue. the one issue you didn't address is whether or not the 11 or 12 million undocumented immigrants will be removed by a deportation force as you heard mr. trump say in the clip from november of last year. is that policy still operative? >> what you heard him describe there, in his usual plain-spoken american way, was a mechanism, not a policy. i mean, you're going to hear in more detail in the next two weeks that lays out all the policies. but there will be no change in the principle here that donald trump wants to make it clear to
the american people that, while hillary clinton is committed to open borders and amnesty and executive amnesty and more of the same, that it's really harmed our economy and, frankly, as he said, with regard to dangerous individuals in this country, has cost american lives. i -- when i was in iowa, i met with sara root's family. the heart break of her story and other stories of families whose children have lost their lives to people who are in this country, dangerous individuals, who are caught up in this broken system and then escape justice, as the man that claimed her life did is going to end under the administration of donald trump. >> i get that that the violent illegal immigrants will be removed from the country. what i am not hearing and i am wondering -- for people out there -- look, it's not just the liberal media. it's also conservatives. it's rush limbaugh. governor sarah palin, it's other people who want donald trump to win who are saying, wow, it sounds like he is really backing
away from this deportation force, removing 11 million, and you are not saying right now, governor, you're not saying, you're not pledging that there will be a removal of all undocumented immigrants. you are not saying that. >> no. what i am saying, jake, and what i have said to you a minute ago -- i want to be very clear -- there will be no path to legalization. >> right. >> no path to citizenship. people who want to gain legal status -- you heard him say again and again have to leave the country. >> what about the millions in the country right now? >> i think donald trump will articulate what we do with the people who are here. >> he already has. >> donald trump is more concerned about the american people, american citizens, people who are here legally, people who are struggling in this economy. a family in ohio, the dad working two jobs and mom has a side job and they're trying to make ends meet. they haven't seen their real personal income go up in 10 to 15 years. this flood of illegal immigration has contributed mightily to depressing wages in this country and denying jobs
and opportunities to americans. >> that's why i am asking -- >> i know the media wants to focus on that one issue. donald trump will articulate a policy about how we deal with that population. but i promise you, he is going to remain completely focused on american citizens and people who are here legally and how we get this country working for people who play by the rules. >> i don't understand why it's the fault of the media for focusing on an issue that you're crediting donald trump for bringing to the fore. the idea is, mr. trump won the primaries in no small way because he had the very forceful position of saying all 11 or 12 million undocumented immigrants will be forced to leave the country. now you, right this minute, are not saying that that's the policy. you're saying he's going to unveil it in the next few weeks. it's 72 days until the election. >> the way you characterize his position is one thing. i think he has been -- >> we just ran the clip. >> jake, he has been completely consistent in the principles that he has articulated. nobody was talking about illegal
immigration when donald trump entered this campaign. he was attacked from day one for putting the whole issue of the violence that is derived from certain individuals who come into this country illegally on the table. he has made it clear, we are are going to secure our borders, build a wall, enforce the law of this country, stands up and up hold the constitution of the united states of america. what you see going on right now -- and i think at a certain level it's very refreshing because it's the donald trump that i see every day -- is you see a ceo at work. you see someone who is engaging the american people, listening to the american people. he is hearing from all sides. but i promise you he is a decisive leader. he will stand on the principles that have underpinned his commitment to end illegal immigration in this country, and that's what people will learn more about in the days ahead. let's be clear. hillary clinton supports open borders, amnesty and even wants to increase syrian refugees to this country by 550%. you couldn't have a more clear
choice between donald trump and i, who will end illegal immigration in this country and hillary clinton, who will pursue more of the same, executive amnesty, open borders. >> to be clear you did not address the issue about whether or not there will be a deportation force removing the 11 million. let's turn to children born in the united states to undocumented immigrants. donald trump said last year that these children -- it's about 4.5 million of them -- are not citizens. take a listen. >> i don't think they have american citizenship. we have to start a process where we take back our country. our country is going to hell. >> is it still the position of the trump/pence campaign that children born in this country -- in this country to undocumented immigrants are not u.s. citizens? >> well, i think the whole question of anchor babies, as it's known, the whole question of citizenship, of natural-born americans, is a subject for the
future. i think the american people ought to ask we look at our whole immigration system and see whether that works and makes sense. under the laws today in the united states of america, what donald trump was referring to is this is part of the issue that we need to deal with in this country. but look, i have to tell you, he is a man who speaks his mind. and he has put this issue front and center with the american people. and i have to tell you, i -- i know how the media loves to come in and loves to, you know, divide the issues and, frankly, i think -- not you personally, jake, but a lot like to see if they can drive wedges between people that support donald trump. the truth of the matter is, as i am traveling across the country, and with donald trump and for donald trump, the american people hear him loud and clear. hillary clinton is committed to amnesty and open borders, and more of the policies that have harmed our economy, harmed american families and in some cases resulted in tragedy. donald trump is absolutely
committed to securing our borders, having e-verify system, standing by the constitution. and reforming the immigration system in a way that works for americans. >> i want to turn to hillary clinton and some of the really tough charges going back and forth between your campaign and her campaign. she said this week donald trump is helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. take a listen to what your counterpart, senator tim kaine had to say on friday. >> ku klux klan values, david duke values, donald trump values are not american values. >> what's your response to senator kaine. >> i think his comments, hillary clinton's comments on thursday night sound desperate to me. i mean, to be honest with you. i don't talk a lot about the polls, jake, but i know the polls are all closing up. and the fact that you see democrats and hillary clinton and her running mate rolling out the same old playbook of racial divisiveness, sounds a little bit to me like an act of desperation.
i mean, look, the american people are sick and tired of politicians who seek to divide the people of this country, to unite their supporters. >> donald trump called hillary clinton -- he called hillary clinton a bigot. >> donald trump has been reaching out -- >> you just -- you just accused her of dividing people. he accused her of being a bigot! >> well, look -- that was on the day that hillary clinton literally condemned not just donald trump, by the same terms, but also millions of americans who long for a better future. >> you think she was calling all trump supporters racists? >> i think she was calling millions of americans around this country who believe we can make america great again, who believe that hillary clinton and barack obama's policies have weakened america a weakened america's place in the world and stifled america's economy, she has put a racist tension on them. that's deeply offensive. the american people see through
it these days. what you have in donald trump is someone who is reaching out, speaking boldly from the party of lincoln particularly to african-americans and latinos in this country and saying, it doesn't have to be this way. it can be better. think of the heartbreak in these communities. to be living in our inner cities, which -- which in many african-american families, for now generations have been in neighborhoods with failing schools, unsafe streets, no jobs and opportunities. i mean, we're standing today on the 53rd anniversary of the "i have a dream" speech. dr. martin luther king jr. was one of the heroes of my youth. i walked across the bridge with john lewis on the bloody sunday. the progress in the civil rights movements is one of the greatest accomplishments in america. >> i understand it means a lot to you but -- >> look at the reality in the communities in many of our cities. i was walking through neighborhoods in indianapolis a few weeks ago, before this
opportunity came into my life with reverend charles harrison, part of a ten-point coalition. you stand with families on front porches. they'll tell you the schools are failing, they won't give us educational choice. the streets aren't safe. we get no change. there are no jobs. donald trump believes we can make america great again for every american, regardless of race or creed or color, and the only answer hillary clinton and her running mate have is more of the same kind of racial divisiveness and racial attacks. >> with all due respect, sir, the reason that tim kaine said what he said is because david duke is supporting your campaign. take a listen. >> i am overjoyed to see donald trump and most americans embrace most of the issues that i have championed for years. >> that must really bother you. >> it does really bother me. donald trump made it clear repeatedly this we cannot only does he denounce david duke but we don't want the support of people who think like david
duke. but look, people see the choreography, jake. we've known each other a while. hillary clinton -- not on that but on the two speeches. hillary clinton has a really tough week, right? 15,000. >> bad week. >> e-mails coming out. the clinton foundation, the more and more of the cascade of controversies coming out of here with the clintons, you know, ducking and weaving, not answering questions, more than 250 days since the press conference. all of a sudden here it comes. they roll out the politics of division with a speech thursday night and then her running mate comes out with the outrageous charges. i mean, the fact that an individual, a contemptible individual like that supports my running mate is no more relevant than the fact that the father of a man who killed 49 people in orlando, florida, was cheering hillary clinton in one of her rallies. stay with us, we'll be back. i'm terrible at golf.
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. her clinton foundation slush fund sold access to the state department. >> a new web ad from the trump/pence campaign. here to talk about it and more is governor mike pence of indiana. donald trump's running mate. what's the point you're trying to make about the clinton foundation and can you point to any actual evidence that as secretary of state she actually changed a policy because of this access that donors allegedly had? >> it's a fair question. but access is also very valuable. and this week we learned from the "associated press" that more than half of the individual meetings that secretary of state granted during her tenure -- >> not including government officials or foreign officials. >> of course not. these are individual meetings that she has discretion over. more than half of those meetings were granted to individuals who contributed tens of millions of dollars to the clinton foundation. look, you know, this has been n
unfurling over the past few weeks. we learned from a congressional investigation that the so-called e-mails on wedding plans and yoga, that she eradicated with some high-tech software called "bleach bit" which completely elimits the capacity in most cases to recover them. the simple fact is this is becoming more and more clear through direct evidence in these e-mails that state department officials under secretary of state clinton were extending access and special favors to major donors of the clinton foundation. >> can you point to any favors? >> foreign donors of the clinton foundation and major corporations. your viewers should be reminded here that foreign donors cannot contribute to presidential -- >> sure. >> -- or federal campaigns. so this becomes a conduit for
people to gain access. gaining access is a favor, jake. >> mr. trump's foundation gave $100,000 or so to the clinton foundation. was he trying to gain access? was he trying to gain a favor? >> i think donald trump has made it clear that through the course of his career he has supported a broad range of initiatives and policies. this last week he contributed $100,000 to a church in baton rouge, louisiana. he doesn't do it publicly. when we were there visiting families a week ago, he was impressed with the work the church was doing. >> why did he give money to the clinton foundation. >> he quietly in the car said i am going to send $100,000. >> you're not comparing that to his giving money to the clinton foundation. >> i'm talking about the clinton foundation. >> i am talking about foreign donors and corporate donors to the clinton foundation who the "associated press" this week was able to confirm we're -- were more than half of the meetings, private meetings, the secretary
of state granted during her tenure, and then we found out this week, remarkably -- and this just, i think, is incredibly troubling to the american people. we found out the state department now, even though they've been ordered to do it, will not provide the balance of her calendar until after the election. you know, this is a -- this is an example of pay to play politics. the american people are sick and tired of it. it's what donald trump and i will bring to a crashing end when he becomes president. >> you can't point to any policy change. you said access is the important thing. >> that's the reason we need an independent special prosecutor. you know a couple of months ago the fbi wanted to initiate a public corruption investigation into the clinton foundation and senior officials at the obama justice department shut it down. >> they said they looked into it a year before and there wasn't enough there. >> we heard it was reported publicly the fbi thought about -- >> cnn broke the story.
>> i commend you for that. but my point is that now -- this is exactly what the independent special prosecutor statute is for. the administration should apoint a special prosecutor. for the clintons to say that if she is elected president they would recognize a conflict of interest in the clinton foundation and so would be stepping away from it, former president clinton -- if it would be a conflict of interest when she is president of the united states, why wasn't raising money from foreign donors a conflict of interest when she was secretary of state of the united states of america? the american people -- >> okay. >> -- see what's coming here. and they're going to get more of the same if hillary clinton is elected president of the united states. >> you talked about the inner cities. there was a tragedy in chicago on friday. the cousin of nba star dwyane wade was shot and killed while pushing her instant child in a stroller. donald trump tweeted, dwyane wade's cousin shot and killed
when walking her baby in chicago. just what i have been saying. african-americans will vote trump. since then he's tried to express sympathy and empathy. that tweet, was that a presidential reaction to a tragedy? >> right after that he issued his -- a tweet expressing his prayers and his thoughts and his condolences. >> this is a pattern. when there is a tragedy he sends a tweet talking about how this is going to help his campaign. >> a lot of you people in the media spend more time talking about what donald trump said and tweeted in the last three days than focusing on what the clintons have been up to for the last 30 years. let me stipulate to that. look, donald trump has a plain-spoken way about him. and the tragedy of a mother pushing her child on -- on the streets of chicago, being shot and killed as she was breaks my heart. you have a little one at home. we have raised three kids.
it's unimagenable. it's on top of the other shootings in chicago. >> that's why so many of the people were offended when his reaction was vote trump. >> the point he is making is that we have a choice to make this fall. you can go with the party that's been responsible for the liberal policies that apparently have been content with unsafe streets in barack obama's hometown of chicago. >> law enforcement in chicago says a lot of the guns come from your home state. >> you have failing schools. you have tremendous gun control in chicago. >> not in indiana. a lot of them come over the border. that's what chicago police say. >> in indiana we know what most americans know, that firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens makes our communities more safe, not less safe. >> not the guns that go over the border. >> i know the president wants to blame shift to second amendment rights. >> i am saying what chicago police say. >> the truth of the matter is
donald trump is laying out in that tweet in short form -- there are 140 characters -- that we have a choice to make as a country. we can continue with the leadership that's left us with dangerous streets in our cities, failing schools, no jobs, or we can go with someone who is committed to educational choice, for minority families and families across this country. >> right. >> for a commitment to law and order and standing by our law enforcement community. committed to bringing jobs and opportunity and hope to every american regardless of race and creed and color. >> governor, i need to ask you. your newly installed campaign ceo steve bannon is coming under a lot of scrutiny. there have been questions about a domestic violence arrest. there have been questions about accusations from his ex-wife of anti-semitism. did you know any of this when he was hired? >> i know steve bannon has denied the charges. i know he enjoys a very strong relationship with his ex-wife. and their two wonderful kids. so -- and -- and --
>> does it bother you at all, the charges? >> i also know one other thing. i know the media loves to chase after these process stories, these staff stories, but when i am traveling across the country, the american people are focused on their future. they're focused on the fact that this economy -- we just rounded down the last quarter's economic numbers to 1.1%. real americans haven't seen an increase in their wages in real terms for ten to 15 years. i mean, i have to be honest with you, as i am traveling all over the country, people are coming up to me, they are responding to donald trump's broad-shouldered, plain-spoken leadership that we can make america great again, we can be strong on the world stage, we can have an economy that works for every american. and i think -- i think all of these process stories go by the wayside. this election will be decided on do we go with status quo, failed
policies or embrace real change and a stronger america. >> one more process question. you might enjoy this one more. debates are coming up. >> yeah. >> are you preparing for them other than going on this show this morning? >> yeah. >> are you preparing for a rigorous discussion of issues and other things? >> we are. >> how are you doing it? >> we are. >> do you have somebody playing tim kaine? >> we're talking to some people about doing that. we'll probably do some practice debates in about three or four weeks. but for now it's just a lot of -- a lot of cracking the books. i spent 12 years in congress. >> i know. >> it seemed longer. but i spent 12 years in congress. but, you know, refreshing and returning to those issues because i have been focused on leading the great state of indiana the last four years. but also just preparing ourselves to take that opportunity to lay out donald trump's vision for this country. it's a -- it is a positive vision, it's a broad-shouldered, optimistic vision and i look forward to being able to share
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i have been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails. what i've learned is that, when i try to explain what happened, it can sound like i am trying to excuse what i did. and there are no excuses. i know there is a lot of smoke, and there's no fire. >> democratic nominee hillary clinton talking about her family's charitable foundation and e-mails and more. amidst charges the donors received preferential treatment from her foundation. she says they'll be looking to
separate its work from her potential work in the white house. joining me now is corey lewandowski, former trump campaign manager and cnn commentator who is still receiving severance payments from the trump campaign. former los angeles mayor and hillary clinton supporter. matt bye and abby phillip, political reporter for the "washington post." thank you for being here one and all. >> mr. mayor, a lot of smoke but no fire? sounds like there is a lot of appearance of conflict of interest but there is no actual conflict of interest. that's not like a good bumper sticker for her. >> i heard you interview governor pence for, what, a half hour, and he acknowledged that there is no fire there, that there is no quid pro quo, that there have been meetings, yes, and nothing more. it's as simple as that. >> cory. >> what we see in the latest round of e-mails and abc reported on this last night. the head of the foundation asked
that major donors sit at the vice president's table or that a message be passed on to an ambassador of malta. those are specific action items that a person who is not giving to the foundation wouldn't have access to. >> you know what i can't find in the story is evidence that any of this stuff was actually carried out. not to say it wasn't but i couldn't find evidence that it was. >> that's, by and large, what we have seen from a lot of the estales. e-mails. a lot of the requests were blown off or ignored or they said, i'll look into it and never did. it showed there was an effort being made to do some of these things. i think the clinton campaign focuses a lot about did she get financial gain, did they get financial gain, did donors get financial gain. that's not the only way you
throw around influence in this town. it's not just about money. it's also about can you sit next to the vice president. it's clear that some of these donors did want some of that kind of access. >> matt, look at this q-poll. 60% of voters say hillary clinton believes the rules do not apply to her. this is a problem for her campaign. >> it is. if you are a republican operative, you have to want to put your head through a wall right now, jake. this election really should be a referendum on the party in power, and she has the burdens of incumbency. should be a referendum on her and her trustworthiness and it's not. somehow donald trump has managed to make this a referendum every day, every week, on his fitness to serve. it's a winnable election for the republicans. >> if you look at it, including democrats and one of the most recents polls, the nbc polls, 11% of the american people think she is honest and twitter. congress is broken.
the people including democrats who think hillary clinton is honest and trustworthy is 11%. is that the person we want for the leader of our country. >> is it enough for hillary clinton to keep changing the subject back to donald trump? does she not need to do more to reassure voters that they can trust her? >> of course she needs to do more and is doing more. i trust her. i know her. i am part of that 40%. when you look at mr. trump, what "washington post," political facts say upwards of 70% of what comes out of his mouth is either a lie or misrepresentation of fact. it's hard to trust someone like that. so certainly the issue of trust will be front and center in this campaign. she is addressing it, from my vantage point i think she is doing it well. >> what do you think? >> what's remarkable about the same quinnipiac poll is that she is leading by ten points in that poll. despite the fact that these numbers are in the garbage can.
terrible for her. it illustrates how difficult it will be for trump to ratchet the already very high numbers even higher to the point that they actually start to impact her standing in the overall race. it's hard to do that because many voters, the way they view hillary clinton as untrustworthy, is very much baked into how they view her as a person, and yet 10-point lead in that poll. >> i'll tell you why also it matters. there is a line in "hamilton" george washington says winning is easy, governing is harder. long way to go in the race. it will tighten up. if i were them i would be thinking about the implications of the trustworthiness issue. if you get by because donald trump doesn't meet the bar that people need for an alternative, how do you govern this country in the state it's in with those numbers. what do you do to change the perception. donald trump says the shooting of dwyane wade's cousin
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the cousin of nba star dwyane wade, a great guy, dwyane wade, was the victim of a tragic shooting in chicago. she was the mother of four and was killed while pushing her infant child in a stroller just walking down the street. shot. it breaks all of our hearts to see it. it's horrible. it's horrible. and it's only getting worse. >> that was republican nominee donald trump expressing sympathy after the tragic murder of nba star dwyane wade's cousin on the street in chicago. his tweet. after the shooting didn't necessarily seem as delicate and heartfelt. i'm back with the panel now.
corey, the controversial tweet that he sent initially, dwyane wade's cousin -- duane misspelled. just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i have been saying. african-americans will vote trump. two hours later another tweet attempting to clean it up, expressing sympathy. can you understand why so many people took the tweet and caught it was callous? >> i can. let's look at the bigger picture. the number of u.s. soldiers who died in afghanistan from 2001 to 1015 is actually less than the number of people killed in chicago from 2012 to 2016. we need to do something to protect our families and our homeland. one more person dying in chicago is one too many. what he is talking about and what he's said is he is doing outreach to the african-american community. the last poll has him at 8% which, granted, is a long way to go. mitt romney got 6%. john mccain 4%. he is making inroads into that community because people are
tired of not being able to walk the streets with safety. >> mr. mayor? >> i have no evidence to indicate that he's making inroads into the african-american community. when he speaks about african-americans he almost always speaks about crime and poverty and welfare. and when he speaks about them, he usually speaks to a white audience. so i don't have any indication that he is moving up in the polls with respect to african-americans. >> a long time ago, abby. i thought donald trump could potentially do better with the african-american community than mitt romney sand john mccain. but it doesn't seem to have taken place. >> not at all. it goes back to the birther stuff. that is, for many african-americans in this country -- they view is clearly as an attempt to delegitmize the first african-american president. beyond that, i think the challenge for donald trump is also that african-americans also view the country and its future much more positively than other
groups, especially than whites. and it's hard to take a message that is fundamentally pessimistic to african-americans, who view themselves as moving toward a country that is better for them, on average, that it was in the past. this idea of make america great again is challenging for donald trump to transfer to the african-american community because, when they look back 40 years, they see america that didn't work for them, that wasn't great for them. many of them were in segregated schools and communities, didn't have the full right to vote. they were living in poverty not just because of the leadership in urban cities but because of laws and regulations, discrimination in lending and in housing that held back african-american communities. so they are looking forward. and it's -- and they're seeing not a perfect country but a country that is getting better. >> how do you view mr. trump's outreach to the african-american
community in the last week or so? >> i thought he could make better inroads. as a general rule it seems preordained that i am wrong about everything regarding donald trump. i'll say that up front. one thing you're getting at is that he would be a much stronger, more inclusive general election candidate. i thought after the primaries were done -- not so much pivot. i thought he would respawn. i don't think he has a strong ideology. i think he is such a good entertainer and understands audiences so well i thought he would have a better sense of who his audience was. i think it's late. i don't think anything they've done since the latest change in leadership is the wrong instinct. i just think it's late and the window at some point is closing. >> corey. >> i think what donald trump is asking for is an opportunity. 24% of the african-american population is living in poverty right now. what he is saying is give me an opportunity to try and make a change. that's what he is asking for. i think both republicans and democrats have taken the
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