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you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim chusciutto in for poppy harlow. you're looking at a sunday vigil for nykea aldridge who was shot and killed on a street while pushing her newborn baby in a strollerp you may remember she was the cousin of nba star dwyane wade. two men, brothers, are locked up right now charged in this fatal shooting. police say aldridge was not their intended target.
darwin sorrells and darren sorrells. they are career criminals and are now in jail. you sat down with nykea's mother, what does she want people to know about her daughter? >> well, jim, it was a very moving experience sitting down with this grieving mother. she said she was a fashionista, she loved doing her hair. she was a wonderful writer, she loved writing poetry and her whole life was about her four children. >> nykea was an awesome, awesome daughter. she loved her kids, loved her kids. and i can go on and on, you know, about nykea being an awesome mom, trying to move ahead with the kids a and move
them to better areas, you know. and she was just trying to make a better life for her and her kids, yeah. that's the most important thing in her life was her kids. you know, to make sure that they've got out of situations that she had been in. that's my baby. >> how are the children doing? >> summer, the oldest girl, it really hit her really hard. and her son, he's a mama's boy, so it hit him, too. the little baby, little second to the last child, she is so strong. she's really strong. and it's just, you know, they
support each other. you know, they cry to each other. they tell each other, you know, they miss their mom. they want their mom. and it just hurts to hear the kids say they want their mom and there mom won't be in their lives anymore. only through spirit, only through -- only through pictures, that's the only way they can know their mom for the rest of their lives. the only thing they have to go on is what they had. and it's just heartbreaking. it's really -- oh, god, it's heartbreaking. to not be here to raise her own children. and i thank god right now for allowing her to be in our lives as long as he did. i thank god for her. and i thank god for the kids because it's going to take all of us to raise them. and like they said, it takes a village to raise the kids, and
that's what we are. we are a village. i truly, truly from the bottom of my heart, i forgive them. i forgive them. i can't bring her back, but i forgive them. and i just pray to god that they pray to god to ask for forgiveness for what they've done. they've taken a person's life senselessly. >> really heartbreaking, jim, of course, that was incredibly heartbreaking hearing the pain that this mother's going through but really remarkable she's sending out that message of forgiveness to the sorrels and their family. also, it's horrible to note that this is not the first time that diane has had to go through this grieving process. she lost her eldest daughter about ten years ago also to gun violence. >> incredible. it's sometimes easy to get caught up in the numbers and
sometimes easy to remember or to forget that each number is a person. is a mother who lost her child. rachel, thanks so much for covering this. when chicago's police superintendent announced the arrest of the sorrelles is brothers this afternoon, he expressed his own outrage at the judicial system's inability to stop repeated offenders like the shooters were. >> when will enough be enough? how often do we have to stand at a podium like this demanding of my judicial and policy partners some type of resolution? this tragedy isn't just noteworthy because ms. aldridge has a famous family member. it's noteworthy because these two offenders are the prime example of the challenge we face here in chicago with repeat gun offenders that don't care who they shoot, don't care whose life they take and clearly, clearly don't fear the consequences of their actions.
>> chicago's gun violence has reached really epidemic proportions. the numbers are staggering. the police department says at least four people have died another 24 wounded in shootings just since noon yesterday. a little more than 24 hours. it's incredible. one of the reasons this shooting is garnering nationwide attention is because of a controversial, some said insensitive, tweet from donald trump in the hours just after when he said it's an example of why african-americans should vote for him. his running mate mike pence spoke with trump's comment with jake tapper earlier today in an exclusive interview. >> he talked about the inner cities. there was a tragedy in chicago on friday. nykea aldridge, the cousin of nba star dwyane wade was killed while pushing her infant daughter in a stroller. donald trump's reaction was dwyane wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i have been saying,
african-americans will vote trump. i know that since then he's made an effort to express sympathy and empathy. but that initial tweet, do you think that was a presidential reaction to a tragedy? >> well, right after that he issued a tweet expressing his prayers and his thoughts and his condolences. >> but this is a pattern. when there's a tragedy he sends a tweet talking about how this will help his campaign? >> look, can i just make a point. a lot of you in the media spend time talking about what donald trump has tweeted in the last few days rather than what the clintons have been up to for the last 30 years. let me just say that. donald trump has a plain spoken way about him. and the tragedy of a mother pushing her child on the streets of chicago being shot and killed as nykea aldridge was just breaks my heart. you've got a little one at home. we raised three kids. it's just unimaginable, but it's
on top of the more than 2,700 shootings in chicago -- >> which is why so many were offended when his reaction is vote trump. >> the point donald trump is making we have a choice to make this fall. you can go with the party that has been responsible for the liberal policies that apparently have been content with unsafe streets in barack obama's home town of chicago where 2700 people have been shot this calendar year alone -- >> law enforcement in chicago says a lot of those guns come from your home state. >> you have failing schools -- well, you have tremendous gun control in chicago. >> but not in indiana, and many come over the border, that's what chicago police say. >> in indiana we know what most americans know that firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens makes our communities more safe not less safe. >> not the guns that go over the border. >> i know the president wants to blame shift to second amendment rights. >> i'm just saying what chicago police say. >> the truth of the matter is donald trump is laying out in that tweet in short form,
there's what, 140 characters, that we have a chase to make as a country. we can continue with the leadership that has left us with dangerous streets in our cities, failing schools, no jobs or we can go with someone who is committed to educational choice for minority families and families all across this country for commitment to law and order and standing by our law enforcement community and committing to bringing jobs and hope to every american regardless of race, creed and color. >> governor, i have to ask you, your newly installed campaign ceo steve bannon is colling under a lot of scrutiny. there's been questions about a domestic violence arrest, questions about accusations from his ex-wife of anti-semitism. did you know any of this when he was hired? >> i know steve bannon has denied those charges. i know he enjoys a very strong relationship with his ex-wife and their two wonderful kids. so -- >> does it bother you at all, those charges?
>> i also know one other thing. i know the media loves to chase after these process stories, these staff stories. but when i'm traveling across the country, the american people are focused on their future. they're focused on the fact that this economy -- we just rounded down the last quarter's economic numbers to 1.1%. real americans haven't seen an increase in their wages in real terms for 10 to 15 years. i mean, i have to be honest with you, as i'm traveling all over the country, people are coming up to me, they're responding to donald trump's broad-shouldered plain-spoken leadership that we can make america great again. we can be strong on the world's stage. we have an economy that works for every american. and i think all of these process stories go by the wayside and this election's going to be decided on either we go with the status quo, the failed policies or embrace real change and a
stronger america. >> one more process question, although i think you might enjoy this one more. debates are coming up. >> yes. >> are you preparing for them other than going on this show this morning? are you preparing for a rigorous discussion of issues and other things? >> we are. >> how are you doing it? >> we are. >> you have somebody playing tim kaine? >> we're talking to some people about doing that. and we'll be doing probably some practice debates in about three or four weeks, but for now, it's just a lot of cracking the books. you know, i spent 12 years in congress. >> i know. >> it seemed longer, but i spent 12 years in congress. but you know, refreshing and returning to those issues because i've been focused on leading the great state of indiana the last four years. but also just, you know, preparing ourselves to take that opportunity to lay out donald trump's vision for this country. it is a positive vision. it's a broad shouldered, optimistic vision. i look forward to being able to share the stage with senator kaine to do just that.
we'll talk more about politics later this hour, but first i want to bring you this breaking news just into cnn. an icon of latin american music has died. juan gabriel, a musician whose songs touched millions of people. more on who he was, his extraordinary musical legacy, that's just ahead. ♪ mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas. my job? my job at exxonmobil? turning algae into biofuels. reducing energy poverty in the developing world. making cars go further with less. fueling the global economy. and you thought we just made the gas. ♪ energy lives here.
this is cnn breaking news. >> this just into cnn and the sad news that the latin american music icon juan gabriel has died. he sold more than 100 million records during his career and performed at the forum in los angeles just two nights ago. mexico's president sent his condolences via twitter and said, quote, his music is a legacy to the world. juan gabriel was 66 years old. let's go to polo sandoval. tell us more about the singer, his legacy, and if we know at this point, the cause of his death. >> the l.a. county coroner confirming that he was, in fact, he did pass away this morning at about 11:30 there in california. we understand he was scheduled for a performance tonight in el paso. having grown up in northern mexico myself, this man is somebody who was considered a musical giant for people on both sides of the border. he was often referred to as
juarez's native son. he was scheduled to perform in el paso. sadly that concert will not happen. he went on to record more than 30 studio albums, and not only the songwriter -- or not only the performer but the songwriter is being celebrated today. he wrote music for other giants, luis miguel, even most recent saying that credence clearwater revival's "have you ever seen the rain," a cover. this is clearly an individual who made a tremendous impact and leaves behind a tremendous musical footprint on both sides of the border. he was scheduled to perform here in atlanta late next month. so what's happening here is the entire country, all of mexico, and many people in the united states are now coming together. as you mentioned a few moments ago, even the president of mexico releasing a statement saying that this was a voice and
a talent that represented mexico in music is a legacy to this world. he left us too soon. may he rest in peace. at this point we're trying to get more details on the circumstances related to his death. we understand the are koenner's preliminary findings find that it was ta natural cause of death. but we're still asking some of those necessary questions as mexico prepares to the loss of a musical giant. >> juan gabrielle dead at 66 years old. next, the scandal that continues to cause problems for hillary clinton. we have new details surrounding the clinton foundation and the allegations of special favors. f. with this degree of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class.
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prepping for the upcoming presidential debates. it is now, the first one, less than a month away. if the back and forth is anything like the nasty attacks that trump and clinton are exchanging this week, you might want to prepare yourself, even brace yourself as well. cnn's diane gallagher is in washington. she has the latest on what they're preparing for battle. >> this is the second sunday in a row that trump has taken a little time out of his sunday to practice. a campaign official tells us that trump and his adviser did some prep at the trump golf club in new jersey today. when whe say prep, many of you are thinking mock debates where somebody plays the other candidate. the campaign says trump isn't quite there yet. he's unconventional and likely won't be prepping in the same way that hillary clinton is. noting that trump's style of prepping will be much different. not many people expect less from trump there.
>> one thing that will come up for debate, the clinton foundation, new e-mails coming up today. i know you've been digging into them. what have you been finding? >> we spent most of the afternoon going through these in particular. they included requests from the state department and hillary clinton. state department says no policy action actually took place because of these requests. this is simply going to continue fanning the flames of controversy surrounding whether the foundation tried to receive some special access. conservatives are calling this latest batch of e-mails yet another example of the blurred lines between the state department under hillary clinton and the clinton foundation. one particular exchange between clinton's top aide huma abedin and then executive doug band includes a list of names that band seems to suggest as invitees to a state department lunch with chinese president hu jintao back in 2011. she says, never got an invite,
then rockefeller foundation pretty judith rodin. they all headed up companies that made large donations to the clinton foundation. band saying, quote, can we get her to biden's table? to which abe dean replied, i'll ask. the state department does not believe it is inappropriate for the administration to consider individuals suggested by the outside organizations when deciding who to invite to an official function. this remains a point of contention for donald trump. >> it is impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. >> reporter: clinton has said the foundation donors had no influence on her decisions at the state department. >> i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. >> reporter: now, we should point out that those e-mails were obtained by the citizens united group through a public records lawsuit and they shared
them with cnn. there's another one that we should talk about here. back in january of 2011, band also forwarded an e-mail to abba dean calling a man a good friend and a great supporter asking her to deliver a message to malta on behalf of the businessman putting in a good word with the rabbi that he was scheduled to meet with. calling him a good friend and supporter of the foundation, but she did add, i just want to pass along, no need for action. of course, jim, the clinton foundation and the clinton camp has maintained there's no evidence that any action was ever taken by her state department to benefit a founder donor. >> coming up vice presidential candidate mike pence made some blunt accusations still about the clinton foundation today. next, hear his comments about the $100,000 that donald trump himself donated to that very organization in 2009.
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vice presidential candidate mike pence is calling for an independent special prosecutor to investigate foreign donations to the clinton foundation. pence told cnn's jake tapper that he doesn't know of my specific favors that clinton provided donors while secretary of state but says the foundation at least was a pathway to access and, quote, access, he says is a favor in itself. >> what is the point exactly you're trying to make about the clinton foundation? and can you point to any actual evidence that as secretary of state she actually changed a policy because of this access that donors allegedly had? >> well, it's a fair question, but access is also very valuable. and this week we learned from the associated press that more than half of the individual meetings that secretary of state
granted during her tenure -- >> not including government officials or foreign officials. >> well, of course not. these are individual meetings that she has discretion over. more than half of those meetings were granted to individuals who contributed tens of millions of dollars to the clinton foundation. look, this has been unfurling in front of the american people particularly over the last few weeks. this week we found out 15,000 e-mails she didn't turn over. we also learned from congressional investigation that these so-called e-mails on wedding plans and yoga she eradicated with some high software called bleacher. the simple fact is this is becoming more and more clear through direct evidence in these e-mails that state department officials under secretary of state clinton were extending access and special favors to major donors of the clinton
foundation. >> can you point to any favors, though? >> foreign donors of the clinton foundation. and your viewers should be reminded here that foreign donors cannot contribute to presidential federal campaigns. >> sure. >> so this becomes a conduit for people to gain access and gaining access is a favor, jake. >> mr. trump's foundation gave $100,000 or so to the clinton foundation. was he trying to gain access? >> donald trump's made it very clear through the course of his career he supported a broad range of initiatives and policies. just this last week he contributed $100,000 to a little church in baton rouge, louisiana. he didn't do it publicly. you people found out about it. but whenny were down there visiting families he was impressed with the work that church was doing. >> why did he give money to the clinton foundation? >> he quietly in the car said him going to send $100,000. >> you're not comparing that to mr. trump's giving money to the
clinton foundation. >> i know we want to make donald trump every issue. >> no i'm talking about the clinton foundation. >> i'm talking about foreign donors and corporate donors to the clinton foundation who the associated press this week was able to confirm were more than half of the meetings, private meetings the secretary of state granted during her tenure and then we found out this week remarkably, and this is just, i think, incredibly troubling to the american people. we found out the state department now, even though they've been ordered to do it, will not provide the balance of her calendar until after the election. you know, this is -- this is an example of pay to play politics. the american people are sick and tired the of. and what donald trump and i will bring to a crashing end when he becomes president. >> you can't point to any policy change. you said the access is the important thing. >> that's the reason we need to have an independent special prosecutor in this case. the fbi, you know, a couple of
months ago, the b if wanted to initiate a public corruption investigation into the clinton foundation and senior officials at the obama justice department shut it down. >> they said they'd looked into it a year before and there wasn't enough there. >> we heard it was reported publicly the fbi thought about opening -- >> yeah, cnn broke the story. >> and i commend you for that, but my point is that now this is exactly what the independent special prosecutor statute is for. >> okay. >> the administration should appoint a special prosecutor. and frankly, one other thing on this, for the clintons to say that if she's elected president they would recognize a conflict of interest in the clinton foundation and so would be stepping away from it, former president clinton, if it would be a conflict of interest when she's president of the united states, why wasn't raising money from foreign donors a conflict of interest when she was secretary of state of the united states of america? >> coming up, donald trump has just issued a new challenge to hillary clinton on twitter. we're talking about that right
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from schwarzkopf. welcome back. i'm jim sciutto in washington. donald trump has a new offer concerning his medical records. he tweeted minutes ago i think that both candidates, hillary and myself, should release detailed medical records. i have no problem doing so, exclamation point. hillary. i want to talk about this with our panel. also u.s. -- also with us, scott bolden, former chairman of the washington, d.c. democratic party and ron brownstein. but before we go to the pam on this offer, we want to say what records the candidates have released so far. hillary clinton released three
cons, hypothyroidism, seasonal allergies and she had deep vein thrombosis, a clot in the leg. donald trump, it was a doctor's note of a few lines which we learned on friday that his doctor told nbc that it took him five minutes to put together. there were no details about conditions in there. so -- and in that note he said he has no medical problems and something along the lines of he would be the healthiest president ever. if i can go to the panel now, you, ron brownstein, what do you make of this challenge from donald trump? shows us he's willing to release more now? >> i think we do -- it would be valuable to know more about each of them at this point. certainly, as you accurately point out, her letter from her doctor last july was more detailed than the remarkable story of the donald trump doctor who said he wrote this in five minutes while the limo was waiting and he was the
healthiest candidate ever. i wonder about teddy roosevelt leading troops in the spanish american war. these are two of the oldest candidates who have ever run. and i think that, you know, more rather than less would probably be a good idea. you see where this goes in the next few days. >> jeffrey, you heard from dr. ben carson, a trump supporter and who happens to be a doctor. he said since both these candidates are elderly, those are his terms, they should release more records. what will we see from donald trump here? >> i don't know. but in terms of what you're just reporting, seems to me he's willing to be pretty open with this, which i think is a good thing. one thing i should say, he's gone after hillary clinton on her stamina and there's been great umbrage about this in the media. and i happen to be on my vacation reading carl bernstein's book "biography of hillary clinton, the woman in charge" published in 2007. and on page 313, not to be
precise, is precisely a description from her staff that she doesn't have her husband's stamina and that she goes up to capitol hill, makes these appearances and then is so exhausted she falls asleep in the car when she gets back in the car. now, this was in 1993 when she was 46 years old. i'm imagining things are a little bit different now and perhaps not for the better. so i think the stamina issue is a real one. >> oh, listen -- >> you've supported clinton for a long time. any issues with hillary clinton? >> of course not. i didn't know i was going to be on with dr. jeffrey lord here. let me be real clear here, this is an important issue but not dispositive of how people are going to vote but it is important because of her age. we have to see whether donald trump is going to actually do this. he promised to release his tax records a year or so ago. he promised to release his medical records and he did this one-pager. we'll see if he gives up the
details because i really do want to see if he's able to say he's the healthiest president in the history of the world, in the history of the united states. i want to see how his medical records verify that. i doubt that they can. but i have no concerns about hillary's health and her stamina. she's up by 10 to 12 points. i think it's going to -- whatever her health is, it's going to carry her to victory in november. >> jeffrey, then i'll go to ron. newfound transparency here on the health records. how about the tax returns? >> i for one don't think he should do it -- this is just my personal opinion. >> why not? every president's done it since nixon. >> yeah. and i think this has become a political game and, you know, everybody searches through somebody's tax return and says, oh, well, they did this, they did that. >> isn't it particularly important in the candidate is a businessman? >> jim, we had a lot of presidents, franklin roosevelt, john f. kennedy, others who did not release their tax returns. i think we were well served even
without them. >> listen, jim, it's 2016, right? we have a business person -- >> before we go to that topic, i do want to go to ron brownstein on yet another tweet from donald trump. he says that he's going to give his major illegal immigration speech on wednesday in arizona. there have been some doubt about this. it had initially been scheduled for last week. question about when it will happen. ron, how big a deal is this? >> what we're watching here is extraordinary. i don't know what jeffrey will say about this, but if you look at the exit polls, it is very clear that donald trump won the nomination largely on the strength of voters who agreed with him that all undocumented immigrants should be deported, which was his position during the primary. he ridiculed others who talked about any kind of legal status for those who are here in an undocumented position. if you go back and you look at the exit polls, voters who supported mass deportation provided a majority of donald trump's votes in every state
except wisconsin and new york. in fact, in most of the key early states, he did no better than run even or he lost to either marco rubio or ted cruz among voters who supported any kind of legal status. he won states like new hampshire, south carolina, michigan, virginia, georgia, missouri, illinois, north carolina, all of these critical early contests because of the support he won from voters who expressly said in the exit poll they wanted to deport everyone. and for him to now switch on this is an extraordinary change and also one that i think reflects the reality that the challenge of navigating between his -- more broadly between the appeal that won him the nomination and what he needs to do to become more competitive in the general election because i think what kellyanne conway and the team have done is they've looked at the numbers and added wherever hillary clinton is, donald trump is stuck somewhere around 40%. fact that he feels the need to move in this way is really an extraordinary kind of indictment of the way the process has positioned him in the general election.
>> scott, i want to get your thoughts on that, but i do have to give jeff a quick chance to respond to ron's charge there, in effect, that trump is, indeed, softening. >> well, i listened to him on anderson cooper's show the other night. he said some people thought it was a hardening. he's very clear that people have to go back. >> who thought it was a hardening? >> -- they can come back to the country after that. he was crystal clear about that. i look forward to the speech but i honestly don't think he's changed. >> can i ask a quick question? is your standard of not softening that everyone must leave the country and if he comes up with anything short of that, that is, in fact, a movement away from where he ran during the primary? >> my standard is to get the illegal immigration problem under control. the end policy, the end goal. and to solve it as best you can. the wall, certainly he's steadfast on this. so as i said, i think on anderson's show, when you sail a boat, you have a destination,
but you sail a little to the left, a little to the right. you tack to get there. you have to do that. and maybe he's doing that to some degree, but i absolutely don't think he's changed in his goal at all. >> changing tack, scott, do you accept that? is he changing tack? >> just because the trump team says he's not changing doesn't mean this isn't a seismic shift. i wish as a part of this piece you could go to the several interviews you've done before and he said he has a deportation force, he's going to build this wall, it will be similar to operation wetback from the '40s. and this is a seismic shift. now, we're going to keep reminding people of this, one, we're 23 days from early voting. just simply too late. the die has been cast in regard to these buckets of offensive comments. he's not getting african-americans, this isn't going to help him with hispanics and certainly won't help him at this late date with educated white voters and that's what he needs to win. so it is what it is. it doesn't matter what he says on wednesday, it really doesn't because we're going to call t
the way we see it. >> we got time to come back to the panel right after this break. so i'm just going to ask you both to hold your thoughts, scott, jeff and we're going to have at least a few more minutes to get to these issues. we'll be right back. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. get up to a $5,000 bonus on select audi models.
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i'm joined again by jeffrey lord, ron brownstein and scott bolden. ask and you shall receive. let's play donald trump on a deportation force from just the end of last year. >> you're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely. >> will they get ripped out of their homes? how? >> they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country, they'll be brought back to that country. that's the way it's supposed to be. >> so jeffrey, how has donald trump not backed off that position? >> i just don't -- i guess i just disagree.
he says they've got to go back. they have got to go back, then they can come in again legally. >> then he was talking about all 11 million. he said that in multiple -- that's not the only time. we have several. now he's focusing on criminal illegal immigrants. >> well, that's where you start. that's where you start is with the criminal element here. and as he said, you can't round up all however many of them there are, 11 million or however many there are, i think there's disagreement on that. i've heard as low as 5 and as high as 30 from different people. you can't do it all at once. so you begin in place with the criminal element. >> scott, then ron. >> yeah, jim, the problem with the trump campaign is that he's got these 14 million voters who voted for him. he defeated 16 of them. and whatever he's going to say on wednesday is going to sound a lot like what marco rubio proposed, going to sound a lot like bush, and then he's going to try to convince you that he
hasn't changed. he's still going to deport 11 million. he's just going to kind of do it differently. but the reality is that he is such a divisive candidate and such an absolute candidate vis-a-vis what he was going to do. the wall, mexico was going to pay for it. deportation force. that it's hard to get around that it's a pivot or an expansion but certainly just a seismic shift. and that's what the voters -- now i think those 14 million who voted for him with the harsher rhetoric are probably still going to vote for him because they're never going to vote for hillary, but he's got a bigger problem, even if he softens this immigration stance or whatever, it's going to be less appealing to those who he needs to expand his base in order to win in november. >> ron, you heard scott there, you know, those 14 million supporters unlikely to vote for hillary clinton whether they come out and vote for him, i suppose, is a different question. but is it possible this works, that he already has that core
and that he maybe does draw away some undecideds or independents by softening. >> well, the first thing is we're having so much trouble with this is because what donald trump said in austin to sean hannity and what he said friday to anderson cooper are different things and they're not consistent with each other much less with what he was saying originally. maybe next wednesday we'll get more clarity. to undercore the point, if you go back to the republican primaries deportation did not win majority support in almost any state except mississippi and alabama were the only two. because people who supported deportation voted for trump in such overwhelming numbers, they provided a majority of his votes in almost every state. for him to move away from this is, i think, an extraordinary break with the coalition who elected him to the nomination. and a statement about whether this is ultimately atenable position for the republican party going forward, i would say very quickly, those voters are going to stick with him. his problem with the swing voters who are in the way between him being stuck in the low 40s and getting to a higher
number, he's got two big problems. college educated white voters we're talking about. 60% consistently in polls say they do not believe he's qualified and he's racially divisive. could this help on the second front? possibly. but he's spent 15 months engraving an image, it's not easy to undo that in ten weeks. >> thank very much for breaking it down for us. still to come, he came to the u.s. for a better life, but he became what prosecutors dubbed the perfect sleeper agent. it's a real life story that sounds pure hollywood. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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together, we're building a better california. spies and the people who track them. the u.s. government learned that someone on the inside was leaking the most sensitive naval security secrets to china. watch as the fbi goes undercover to bring a team of spies to justice. >> in the fbi we have to follow principles, policies and laws. and one of those is we have to have the evidence. our greatest fear initially is will we catch chi mak doing what he thought he was already doing? >> the thing that hit me hardest about this case was that we've got a man who came here for
better opportunity and, in fact, was the spy sent by klichina to come here, pledge allegiance to the united states. he took an oath with the full intention of betraying it. he lived in this country for decades and was willing to put in danger members of our military. there was a lot of pressure on all of us. i wanted to stop that leak. i wanted to stop chi mak from providing any information that would endanger u.s. servicemen. that's why i wanted to catch him. and to protect our people. >> joining me now is mike rogers. he's the host of the cnn original series "declassified." he's a cnn national security contributor as well. all the episodes in this series are fascinating. i mean, this one, this spy seems to have been particularly damaging to the u.s. and in particular the u.s. navy. can you tell us how much damage he did and his leak did? >> well, it was pretty
extensive. it would have gotten worse had the fbi not got on to him, done the full investigation proving that he was a spy for the country of china. what's odd and interesting about this case is that he was so under the radar. he was sent here specifically to steal certain kinds of naval technology and then pass that technology back to china, and he was caught red handed but that long process of getting there, this really difficult investigation that went through to catch a spy who didn't look like a spy. he didn't even act like a spy. but he was clearly stealing really valuable information. there's twists, turns, intrigue and i hope people tune in tonight to see that whole story unfold. >> i wonder having looked into this a bit, one of the things he gave up information on was on the aegis system, navy system that allows ships to track as many as 100 targets at once. have we seen that china has then
used the intelligence that he gained for them? >> absolutely. they know that technology now has been used, it's been re-engineered and used on both chinese weapons systems and for their ability to defeat our weapons system. we know that they've used that information that puts sailors' lives at risk overseas. >> that's a shame. chi mak still amazingly denies he worked for chinese spy intelligence even though his wife and brother admitted to it. where is he now and what do you make of his insistence that he's innocent? >> i think he's waiting for that clock to run out on some hope that he'll get to go home. i don't think he will. he's in a prison in california, federal prison. and he should stay there a very long time. his family was able to get out, unfortunately. they caught him red handed. i don't want to give the whole
story away. it was pretty exciting the way he did it. and how he used something in plain sight to smuggle his information out. it was really damaging. and his relationship with his family and how they used their family in los angeles to curry information, to curry instructions from their chinese spy handler in china really a fascinating way. and it will give your viewers an opportunity to see what espionage looks like in that slow methodical way that has deadly, really deadly consequences for the u.s. military when they're successful. >> no question. and it's the fbi's understanding that china dispatched him to the u.s. years before with this intention, right? they didn't turn him later, is that right? >> that's correct. they believe that he was sent here for the very purpose of finding the right job, getting the right connection, getting into the right engineering -- and he was an engineer himself. so he offered the right skill set, but we believed it wasn't very long at all when he got the
right job that he started stealing this information. he held some information and then secreted it away and had a way to get it back to china, which was pretty unique. viewers are going to get an opportunity to see that tonight. >> that's incredible. you and i talk so often about this competition between the u.s. and china. we talk about it today. but this was more than ten years ago, right? >> yeah, this was about ten years ago. what we've seen, jim, is really interesting. a huge increase in the number of both prosecutions and detections of chinese espionage activity in the united states. targeting both intellectual property from businesses and cyber attacks but also human operations. this was a human operation. i mean, they physically sent a spy here to steal something. but we're seeing this uptick in these operations with chinese espionage targeting u.s. businesses and, in this case, it was a defense concert where they were trying to steal information
that would give them an edge on the battlefield. >> wow. mike rogers, thanks very much. be sure to watch the drama unfold on cnn's "declassified." that's tonight, 10:00 eastern time. you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim sciutto in for poppy harlow tonight. moments ago, just moments ago trump tweeted, quote, i will be making a major speech on illegal immigration on wednesday in the great state of arizona. big crowds, looking for a larger venue. trump recently suggested that he might soften his original stance, that was his word, on deporting all of the approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. i want to bring in diane gallagher. so what are you hearing now about his plan for this speech on wednesday and what he hopes to accomplish? >> jim, this is sort of been the speech everyone's been waiting for ever since donald trump's position on ira