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>> wow. mike rogers, thanks very much. be sure to watch the drama unfold on cnn's "declassified." that's tonight, 10:00 eastern time. you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim sciutto in for poppy harlow tonight. moments ago, just moments ago trump tweeted, quote, i will be making a major speech on illegal immigration on wednesday in the great state of arizona. big crowds, looking for a larger venue. trump recently suggested that he might soften his original stance, that was his word, on deporting all of the approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. i want to bring in diane gallagher. so what are you hearing now about his plan for this speech on wednesday and what he hopes to accomplish? >> jim, this is sort of been the speech everyone's been waiting for ever since donald trump's position on immigration became a bit murky over the past couple
of weeks here. many people have wondered is this going to be what he talks about, is it not going to be? trump indicated over the next couple of weeks he would lay out this immigration plan. specifically, the question is whether or not he wants to employ a deportation force to get rid of all of the undocumented immigrants here in the united states. now, he has solidified the fact that he, a, wants to build a wall. he said that on day one, in some cases, he says, hour one, he wants to get rid of the bad dudes. the people who have committed crime ks after arriving here illegally. but the question remains on what he wants to do with everybody else. those who haven't committed crimes after coming here undocumented. that's when he indicated to fox news that maybe he was softening a bit but then told our anderson cooper, you know, maybe some people might think he's hardening on it. the hope for many is that he's going to clarify his position and really let people know what he wants to do with those 11 million undocumented people here. >> the fact is last week he's
said two different things in effect on that issue of deportation. >> yeah. >> donald trump also again via twitter offered a challenge to hillary clinton. what is he challenging her to? >> he's challenging her to release her detailed medical records saying that he thinks both candidates, himself included, he said, should release these detailed medical records. you might remember that there was a little bit of controversy, confusion over the letter that was received by his doctor, some of theanguage that was used saying he had amazing health and impeccable health, and the doctor admitted that, you know, he had thought about it all day. he was working on it but at the end he felt a lot of pressure and put it all together in the last five minutes. maybe he adopted some of the language that the campaign uses, some of the adjectives donald trump is known for using there. this could mean that we are going to see a more detailed version of donald trump's health versus saying he could be the fittest person ever to be
president. >> and there's some detail from hillary clinton naming physical conditions but his challenge is for even more detail. dianne gallagher, thank you very much. we have basil smichael. and jeffrey lord. jeff, are you concerned, as we're roughly seven days away from election day, that trump is still having to explain what his immigration policy is? >> no. 70 days from election day. no. i'm not at all. and where he's going to do this, he's going to go to arizona which has had significant problems with illegal immigration. he's not good to one of the states in the union where there has been no problem with this. which indicates his ability to -- his willingness to confront a problem and confront it head-on and go directly there and talk about the situation. so i think this is all to the good. >> basil, we can stop debating
whether he changed his stance, but if he does soften and sticks with that and pulls back from this initial claim in his campaign that he would deport all 11 million undocumented workers, and moves to the middle, does that make him a more formidable challenge to hillary clinton? >> i don't believe that to be the case at all. if we back a couple of months where we talk about banning muslims then come may he said, oh, it was just a suggestion. that's sort of at the core where we are 70 days out, which is even if he does soften his season or it could be perceived like that by some, the question is do voters actually believe him? i don't think that they will. i think that immigration clearly has been discussed in the last several years by both democrats and republicans looking for some sort of pathway to engage the 11
million plus who are undocumented and others in this country, dreamers as well. but you can't, 70 days out, just say, you know what? now i have a plan and a strategy. and expect people to say, okay, well we didn't believe what you said heretofore, but now we'll take your word that you'll actually do something significant. i just don't think voters will believe him at this juncture. >> jeffrey, part of his appeal is that he's a straight talker. why not say, listen, i've thought about it, i've talked to a lot of people. this is essentially what he said in that fox show with hannity. this is what voters have told me, this is too tough of a position and i've reconsidered. politicians do that all the time, people running for office. why not say listen, i did it in good faith, i proposed this in good faith, better now to do x instead of y? >> i don't think that's what he believes, jim. he's not going to say something he doesn't believe.
look, what we see in the polls is that 68, 70% of the people in this country want change. and one of the things they want change on is illegal immigration. >> but most do not support mass deportation, let's be fair. >> but they want the country to have borders that if you come over this border of the united states, you just can't settle in. you have to come legally. rush limbaugh had a great suggestion about this to test the willingness of my friend basil and others, let them come but then give them a path to citizenship but they can't vote for 25 years or so. that would be an interesting proposition to see what the reaction is. >> you say people come into the country but not have the right to vote? >> yeah. for 25 years. so if they come illegally, right, that they don't get the right to vote in america for 25 years. >> you're saying they come in illegally. basil, what's your response? >> i have no response to that. that doesn't sound like a
legitimate or reasonable -- >> a-ha. >> policy strategy. and that to me, i think that's the cornerstone of this discussion which is that what is going to be a legitimate policy to engage the families that are here currently. and to me, i don't think donald trump has engaged these families or activists in this field in a way that is meaningful, because whatever he says today, my guess is come election day we'll see another flip-flop, maybe two or three times over. and better yet, in the unlikely event, in my opinion, that he gets elected, what happens when his supporters come to him and say, this is not what you ran on, this is not why we supported you, so you need to pull back on those positions. we understand you just wanted to get elected. now we need you to sort of fall back. that i think is the fear with this sort of new -- so-called new position he's taking. >> immigration is the same as hillary clinton on the tpp,
where she has switched positions exactly. >> i was going to bring that up, basil. this is one reason why i asked you that question, jeffrey, people running for office change positions all the time. and we saw hillary clinton -- i brought this up in the last hour -- change her position on tpp in part because of bernie sanders' support on that issue, anti-trade. why didn't donald trump take a page out of that book? it's worked for other people running for office. jeffrey? >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were asking basil. >> well, i'll ask both of you there, but i'm asking you about your candidate's position on immigration. why not come out and say, listen, i've rethought this and i'm dialing it back a bit. >> sure, jim, because i think he has very strong beliefs on this. i mean, i've talked to him about this problem over the last couple years off and on. i mean, these are his beliefs. he's not doing this for, quote, unquote, political reasons. the belief precedes the
politics. >> basil -- >> only 70 days out? why are we talking about it only 70 days out? if these were hard beliefs of his, we would have heard this strategy a year ago or more. but it seems that what he's doing is somebody said to him, you know what? you need to start going to communities of color. you need to start talking about immigration because you need a certain percentage of the vote to win. so we're seeing these lackluster half hearted attempts. >> i'll give you the final word before we go. >> he has been doing it. in terms of communities of color as you put them, or parts of america, as i put it, i think he'll be in detroit with dr. ben carson somewhere in the near future. >> okay. >> we'll look for that event. basil smikle and michael lord, thank you very much. on the subject mike pence sat down for an exclusive
interview this morning with my colleague jake tapper on "state of the union". >> so let's start with this issue, the estimated 11 or so million undocumented immigrants currently in the united states. this is what mr. trump promised back in november. take a listen. >> you have a deportation force and you do it humanely. >> will they get ripped out of their homes? how? >> they're going back to where they came from. if they came from a certain country, they go back to that country. that's the way it's supposed to be. >> mr. trump has been saying on day one the violent undocumented immigrants will leave the country. but what about the rest? what happens to the other 11 or so million however many there are? will there be a deportation force removing these individuals from the united states? >> well, first off, let's be very clear. nothing has changed about donald trump's position on dealing with illegal immigration.
he put this at the center of a presidential campaign in the republican primaries and his position and his principles have been absolutely consistent. we're going to secure the border, we're going to build a wall, have a physical barrier, we'll enforce the laws of this country in sanctuary cities, implement e-verify and we'll have a mechanism for dealing with people in this country that you heard the word "humanely" again. it will be fair, it will be tough. but no path to legalization, no path to citizenship unless people leave the country. he said that very consistently. the contrast with hillary clinton who supports amnesty, open borders, who wants to implement executive amnesty again on day one,ven though the supreme court of the united states rejected it and hillary clinton who wants to increase refugees from the terrorist torn country of syria by 55%, the choice could not be more clear for the american people. donald trump has been completely consistent in his positions. >> except on this issue.
i understand everything you're saying there, but the one thing you didn't really address is whether or not the 11 or 12 million undocumented immigrants will be removed by a deportation force as you heard mr. trump say in that clip from november of last year. is that policy still operative? >> what you heard him describe there in his usual plainspoken american way was a mechanism, not a policy. you will hear more detail in the next two weeks that lays out all the policies, but there will be no change in the principle here that donald trump wants to make it clear to the american people that, while hillary clinton is committed to open borders and amnesty, executive amnesty and more of the same, that it's really harmed our economy and, frank frankly as he said with regard to dangerous individuals in this country, has endangered our lives. i met with sara root's family, the heartbreak of her story and
other families whose children have lost their lives to people who are in this country, dangerous individuals who are caught up in this broken system and then escaped justice, as the man that claimed her life did, is going to end under administration of donald trump. >> i get that the violent illegal immigrants will be removed from the country. but what i'm not hearing and i'm wondering for people out there, it's not just the liberal media. it's also conservatives, rush limbaugh, governor sarah palin, other people who want donald trump to win who are saying, wow, it sounds like he's really backing away from this deportation force removing 11 million. and you're not saying right now, governor, you're not saying, you're not pledging that there will be a removal of all undocumented immigrants. you're not saying that. >> no, what i'm saying to you and what i said a minute ago, i want to be very clear, no path to legalization, no path to citizenship, people who wanted to gain legal status, you heard
donald trump again and again, will have to leave the country. >> what about the millions in this country right now? >> donald trump will articulate what we do with the people who are here. >> he already has articulated. >> donald trump is more concerned about the american people, american citizens, people who are here legally, people who are struggling in this economy. >> i want to turn to hillary clinton and some of the really tough charges going back and forth between your campaign and her campaign. she said this week donald trump is helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. take a listen to what senator kim kaine had to say just on friday. >> ku klux klan values, david duke values, donald trump values are not american values. >> what's your response to senator kaine? >> senator kaine's comments, hillary clinton's comments on thursday night sound desperate to me i don't talk a lot about the polls, jake, but the polls
are all csing up. you see hillary clinton and her running made running out the same old playbook of racial divisiveness. it sounds to me like an act of desperation. the american people are sick and tired of politicians who seek to divide the people of this country to unite their supporters. >> donald trump called hillary clinton a bigot. >> donald trump has been reaching out -- >> he just accused her of dividing people. he accused her of being a bigot. >> look, and that was on the day that hillary clinton literally condemned not just donald trump by the same terms the but also millions of americans who long for a better future. >> you think she was calling all trump supporters racists? >> i think she was calling millions of americans around this country who believe we can make america great again, who believe that hillary clinton and barack obama's policies have weakened america's place in the world and stifled america's
economy, she's put some sort of racist intention on those americans. that's deeply offensive. the american people see right through it these days. what you have in donald trump is someone who is reaching out, speaking boldly from the party of lincoln, particularly to african americans and latinos in this country and saying, it doesn't have to be this way. it can be better. think of the heartbreak in these communities. to be living in our inner cities which many african-american families for generations have been in neighborhoods with failing schools, unsafe streets, no jobs and opportunities. i mean, we're standing today on the 53rd anniversary of the "i have a dream" speech. dr. martin luther king jr. was a hero of my youth. i worked across the bridge on the 40th anniversary of bloody sunday. the progress in the civil rights movement is -- >> so i understand it, that means a lot to you. but the reason -- >> but look at the reality.
look at the reality in the community today in many of our cities. i was walking through neighborhoods in indianapolis just a few short weeks ago before this opportunity came into my life with reverend charles harrison. you stand with families on their front pofrps. they'll tell you the schools are failing and they won't give us educational choice. the streets aren't safe and we get no change and there's no jobs. donald trump believes we can make america great again for every american regardless of race or creed or color and the only answer hillary clinton and her running mate have is more of the same kind of racial divisiveness and racial attacks. i really think it's beneath the dignity -- >> with all due respect the reason that tim contain sakaine he said is because david duke is supporting your campaign. take a listen. >> i'm overjoyed to see donald trump and most americans embrace most of the issues that i've championed for years. >> that must really bother you. >> it does really bother me.
and donald trump made it clear repeatedly this week not only does he denounce david duke but we don't want the support of people who think like david duke. look, people see the choreography, jake. you and i have known each other a while. hillary clinton not on that but on the two speeches, hillary clinton has a really tough week, right? 15,000 e-mails coming out, you have the clinton foundation, more and more of the cascade of controversies coming out of here with the clintons, you know, ducking and wooevg and not answering questions, more than 250 days since a press conference. so all of a sudden here it comes. they roll out the politics of division with a speech thursday night and then her running mate comes out with those outrageous charges. the fact that an individual, a contemptible individual like that supports my running mate is no more relevant than the fact that the father of a man who killed 49 people in orlando, florida, was cheering hillary clinton in one of her rallies. >> that was trump's vice
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turning now back to chicago where a family is coming to grips with the horrible reality that a loved one is suddenly gone and gone forever. you're looking at a sunday vigil for na kia aldridge who was killed on friday while pushing her newborn baby in a stroller. she was the cousin, you may remember of nba star dwyane wade. the two men, brothers, are locked up right now. police say aldridge was not their intended target. they say that darwin sorrells and darren sorrells were shooting at another man when she was caught in their crossfire.
they career criminals and were on parole. you had a chance to sit down with nykea's mother. tell us how that was and what she wants our viewers to know about her daughter. >> well, jim, it was very moving having this conversation with diane, nykea's mother. she wanted to celebrate nykea's life. she described her daughter as simply awesome. she said that she was a fashionista, she loved doing her hair, she was obsessed with the color purple. and her four children were her entire life. take a listen. >> nykea was an awesome, awesome daught daughter. she loved her kids. loved her kids. i could go on and on about nykea being an awesome mom. trying to move ahead with the
kid kids and moving them to better areas. that was the most important thing in her life is her kids. so make sure they got out of situations that she had been in. that's my baby. >> how are the children doing? >> summer, the oldest girl, it really hit her really hard. and her son, he's a mama's boy, so it hit him, too. the little baby, little second to the last child, she is so strong. she's really strong. and it's just, you know, they support each other. you know, they cry to each other. they tell each other, you know, they miss their mom.
they want their mom. and it just hurts to hear the kids say they want their mom and there mom won't be in their lives anymore. only through spirit, only through -- only through pictures, that's the only way they can know their mom for the rest of their lives. the only thing they have to go on is what they had. and it's just heartbreaking. it's really -- oh, god, it's heartbreaking. to not be here to raise her own children. and i thank god right now for allowing her to be in our lives as long as he did. i thank god for her. and i thank god for the kids because it's going to take all of us to raise them. and like they said, it takes a village to raise the kids, and that's what we are. we are a village. i truly, truly from the bottom
of my heart, i forgive them. i forgive them. i can't bring her back, but i forgive them. and i just pray to god that they pray to god to ask for forgiveness for what they've done. they've taken a person's life senselessly. >> jim, truly heartbreaking hearing the pain that this mother is going through. and just remarkable that she has a message of forgiveness for the men who committed this horrible crime. and unfortunately, this is not the first time that diane has had to go through this kind of grief. her daughter, her eldest daughter, was also killed ten years ago from gun violence. >> police told us in the last 24 hours four more people killed in chicago. 24 more people injured. just sense this crime happened. rachel crane, thanks for being there for us. moving now to politics, did donald trump's spat with pope
francis -- you may remember it -- drive away catholic voters? the new poll shows that it may have. he's trailing hillary clinton by double digits in that particularly voting bloc. coming up why it's critical that he try to win them back. you're live in the cnn newsroom. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. get up to a $5,000 bonus on select audi models. the check they sent isn't enough to replace your totaled new car. the guy says they didn't make the mistake. you made the mistake. i beg your pardon? he says, you should have chosen full-car replacement. excuse me?
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one of donald trump's biggest problems this campaign season may be with a certain religious voting bloc. a new poll from public religion research institute finds that trump trails hillary clinton by 23 percentage votes among registered catholic voters. mitt romney lost the catholic vote by only 2% to president obama. of course, obama won that election. something that could be hurting trump, his feud with pope francis back in february. he's not christian if he wants to build a wall along the border. trump fired back calling the pope's statement disgraceful for questioning his faith. he said a few other things as well. senior vatican analyst is in rome and larry sabato author of the kennedy half century. larry, about the catholic vote, how big a voting -- how important, rather, a voting
bloc, and are the particular state races particularly toss-up state races where the catholic vote could be decisive? >> well, it's very important. in fact, catholics are a full 25% of the american electorate. and what's remarkable, jim, about the numbers you just gave us is that the catholic vote in recent years, not back in 1960 when 80% of catholics voted for john f. kennedy. in recent years the catholic vote has tracked the national vote almost exactly. it voted for george w. bush early in 2004 and then, as you mentioned, barack obama in both 2008, 2012 by about the national margin. so this is really remarkable. i think it's partly attributable to the fact that a third of american catholics are now hispanics. as we know, trump is doing very poorly with hispanics and also among american catholics, they are much more likely to be
either immigrants or the children of immigrants compared to the whole population. and again, donald trump's main issue has been immigration. so it's a combination of everything and, yes, maybe he should make a pilgrimage to see pope francis. that's another piece of this. >> so i want to read part of donald trump's statement responding to pope francis. this is from february 18th this year. pretty strong. he said if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which, as everyone knows, is isis' ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president because this would not have happened. the vatican doesn't like to play politics, but i'm sure it's used to politics. what was the reaction there to that kind of charge, that kind of language from the man who is now the republican nominee for president? >> well, of course, trump later walked that back saying that, in
his view, the pope's original comments had been overhyped and that once he read the full text, he was less perturbed. but look, the practical reality is that donald trump -- and i think any catholic with eyes can see this. donald trump simply is not a pope francis kind of guy. pope francis, you know, his mantra is that we need to be building bridges, not walls, the care of immigrants, particularly in the context of europe's refugee crisis, has become one of his signature social and political issues. in addition, we haven't talked about this yet, but pope francis is also hugely concerned with the environment. he actually from the very first time in the history of the catholic church put out an entire papal encyclical letter devoted to the care for
creation. it's another point where he and trump just quite clearly do not see eye to eye. and i think trump's gambit here in terms of trying to close this gap with the catholic vote, i frankly, i'm skeptical that he's going to be able to reach out to the die hard ardent pope francis kind of catholic for whom social justice, concern for the poor, concern for the immigrant, concern for the environment are their top issues. i think he may have better luck trying to move in the opposite direction and appeal to conservative catholic voters who are most concerned with life issues, that is abortion, euthanasia, contraception, those -- that cluster of issues where clearly they are never going to embrace hillary clinton and the issue is whether trump can project enough credibility with that constituency to be able to help close the gap. >> so larry, looking at the
state and it really is less about the national vote than state vote particularly battleground states, are there particular states where the catholic vote can be the deciding factor? >> well, you could make an argument that any state in the northeast or midwest with a large percentage of catholics, these issues, this cluster of issues could be important and catholics could swing the vote. catholics are not nearly as much of a factor in the south, but i tell you where this is having an impact is colorado, both the growth and the number of hispanics who are registered and voting and, of course, the vast majority of them are practicing catholics. i think it's had an impact in colorado. >> john, of course, a key proposal of donald trump was his proposed ban on muslims entering the u.s. he has since changed that position somewhat to have countries with a history of
terrorism. that includes muslimountries but not solely them. how does that ban play with catholic voters? >> catholics are not a monolith. as larry was saying, catholics tend to represent the overall population. you have a strong conservative wing, a strong libberal wing an people in the middle. it depends which catholics we're talking about, but in general i would say that trump's position does not track particularly well with catholic attitudes on this sort of thing. i mean, let's remember, pope francis is a guy who, when we went to the greek island of lesbos last april, which is a primary point of arrival for refugees he brought 12 back with him on the plane to rome. he settled them using the support of a catholic organization. he has repeatedly reached out to new muslim arrivals in europe and also in the united states,
and so in general, if you were taking pope francis' leadership seriously upon this issue, then there are quite clearly some points at which that and trump does not line up. >> the pope also encouraged every parish in the u.s. to take some syrian refugees. john allen, larry sabato, thank you for walking us through it. still to come, crews searching for italy's earthquake victims forced to run for safety. as strong aftershocks continue to hit the region. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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italian search crews are trying to find everyone buried under the rubble after the devastating earthquake there. but aftershocks are forcing them to stop, get out themselves. officials now say at least 291 people have died. senior international correspondent fred pleitgen has the latest from one of the hardest-hit areas. >> reporter: the authority here's in italy say that the operations that are ongoing especially in the town of amatrice, which, of course, is the one that was most affected by the earthquake, are turning less and less into search and rescue operations and more and more into recovery operations. they say at this point in time it would be nothing short of a miracle if anybody were still found alive underneath the rubble. we want to show you some of the damage that this earthquake has caused and that its aftershocks
continue to cause. this is the school in amatrice. and it was badly damaged in that initial 6.2 magnitude earthquake. what happened is that on sunday there was another major aftershock here in this town, and that caused an additional part of this building to collapse. further areas had to be evacuated and cordoned off. it's something that we see very frequently in this town and it really hampers the search efforts that are going on is that there are very frequent aftershocks. when these aftershocks happen, what happens then is that the rescue crews have to abandon their work, they have to evacuate the area and then have to see whether or not it's safe for them to continue. so it's very difficult work for them because, of course, every time there is an aftershock, the rubble can shift and make things more dangerous for the rescue crews. again, at this point in time they say it's highly unlikely that there are going to find any more survivors. but here in amatrice, they are sure that there are bodies buried underneath the rubble. so that's something they're
taking into consideration. they haven't been able to get to all of them just yet. needless to say that the population that survived the earthquake very much traumatized by the events that happened and there are some figures to illustrate why. this entire area of italy sank by about 20 centimeters, that's about eight inches when this earthquake happened. experts say it unleashed the power of about 20 hiroshima-sized bombs. that's what the population here went through. that's also one of the reasons why so many people are so afraid of aftershocks that happen here quite frequently. fred pleitgen, cnn, amatrice, italy. imagine meeting a group of people who become your best friends to the exclusion of all others then one day 22 years later you realize what you're really in is a cult. that's what the director of the cnn film "holy hell" happened to him. we'll talk with him live, next. mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity.
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how could this young kid do subpoena a heinous crime? >> from the midchest down had been burnt. >> didn't feel any remorse over it. she was proud of what she had done. >> this is probably the worst homicide case i've been on. i wt it finished. >> a episode of the hunt with john walsh next on cnn. this thursday a new cnn film follows a man in search of a spiritual awakening. will allen give up his life and family to join it. some members say it was actually a cult. it is still active today in
hawaii. >> he was contemporary. he wasn't some little old man with a gray beard sitting there. he was wearing speedos and ray-bans. and he was dancing and he was doing contemporary music. >> he spoke four or five languages. >> he was amazingly humorous, witty. >> very playful, like a child. i can't believe he did that. he can dance, he was artistic. he was all those things that he was unlike anyone. he encouraged me to drop all the ideas of what i thought i was supposed to be. >> i final felt like i was in the right path. i attended the hip no therapy session called cleansings. i really felt like something important was happening in my life.
>> the director of this film, will allen, spent 22 years of his life following the guru from california to austin, finally to hawaii. he joins us now after having left the group after he learned the truth about its leader. while you were in the circle and became the de facto videography of the group, what did you make of this film? >> what did i make of the film? >> why did you decide to make this film? >> we got out of this group. we all tried to go our own ways and figure out what happened to us. because we couldn't figure it out. i talked to until then, no one really knew what was going on behind closed doors. so i decided to take all the footage i had made during that period and tried to tell the truth. tell the full story. i was showing the beautiful things. we weren't really talking about
the negative things and negative impressions going on. >> cnn, to be clear, received a statement from the master of the group, michelle, who calls it fiction. it is heartbreaking to see how history has been rewritten. "holy hell" is not a documentary but a work of fiblthion designed to create drama, fear and persecution. i'm saddened by this attempt to obscure the message of universal love and spiritual awakening. it is devastating to see these friends who were once filled with love for the world become so angry. i wish them only the best and hold each one close to my heart. if any of my actions were catalyst for their disharmony, i am truly sorry. >> i like the very last part about being sorry. nice to hear them say that. but none of us are lacking love, and none of us are disconnected from our teachings. 100 people can't be wrong.
narcissists tend to never take responsibility or blame themselves. they can always blame other people. i went to great ends to try to tell the truth of what happened to me in this film and my friends. i took years and interviews to do it, and i think the film speaks best for who we are as people now, what we went through and how we feel about this man. >> well, when people watch this film, they may ask the question, you were all adults. why didn't you feel you could leave earlier? >> that's something i also tried to study in this film. why didn't we leave? why don't people leave abusive relationships? why do people stay in bad jobs? why do people take abuse when they shouldn't? we had a spiritual excuse. we were surrendering our free will to him. my will is your will. this was part of the indoctrination we went through. i attribute a lot of our
strategic thinking to. this is typical in all religions if you look at them, and it's paralleling a lot of relationships that are abusive. it's a human condition, and our situation is even more complicated, jim, because we're on a spiritual path. he was our spiritual teacher. i don't use the word master. he's our spiritual teacher, barring knowledge, giving it to us and also our hypnotherapist. we were so young. i trusted him, you know? and a lot of -- all of us did. that's why we're all so angry. >> well, allen, it's an interesting story. thanks for helping us teller stories. don't miss this look into the buddhafield. "holy hell" premieres this thursday at 9:00 only on cnn. we'll be right back tonight. ♪
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girl." 10:00 "declassified -- red storm rising." and at 10:00, the taliban's double agent. i'm jim sciutto. thanks for joining me this weekend, and you have a great week. back in 1981, i had the american dream, the beautiful wife, the house in the suburbs and a beautiful 6-year-old son. and one day i went to work, kissed my son good-bye, and never saw him again. in two weeks, i became the parent of a murdered child, and i'll always be the parent of a murdered child. i still have the heartache, i still have the rage. i waited years for justice. i know what it's like to be there waiting for some answers. and over those years, i learned how to do one thre