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happening now in the "newsroom," chaos at one of the nation's busiest airports. passengers at lax running past security and on to the tarmac. all for nothing. plus, trump set to set the record straight on his immigration plan. >> on day one, i'm going to begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country. >> but what about that deportation force? >> he is reflecting on it and his position is going to be known. and more death on the streets of chicago. >> they said they want their mom and their mom won't be in their lives anymore. >> police charge two men in the murder of dwyane wade's cousin. >> when will enough be enough? >> let's talk.
live in the cnn "newsroom". and good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me. a false alarm triggers a major security breach at one of the busiest airports in the country. this was the terrifying and chaotic scene as passengers run for their lives amid rumors that an active shooter had opened fire overnight at the los angeles international airport. police say it was a false alarm, but that did not stop panicked passengers from breaching restricted areas and actually spilling on to the tarmac. let's get right to more. hi, paul. >> reporter: good morning, carol. in all, 281 flights were delayed, either arriving or departing. there were 27 diversions, and also two cancellations, and it
all started with one report in terminal 8 at gate 82 of a loud noise that sounded like gunfire. chaos overnight at los angeles international airport. reports of an active shooter sending travelers running out of several terminals. >> we just saw people sprinting the other way. >> i was in the bathroom, and all of a sudden there was a flood of people that came running into the bathroom saying there was a shooter. i mean, everyone was in a huge panic. >> reporter: panicked passengers using emergency exits to get away, some ending up in restricted parts of the airport. the scare leading to a whole groundstop of air traffic as police searched the airport. lax later confirming that the source was likely a loud noise. the false alarm causing a ripple effect of headaches for travelers. massive gridlock on the freeways leading into lax. and passengers back inside the airport now facing delays, as airlines still work to get things back on track.
the scare at lax comes just two weeks after a similar incident caused widespread chaos at new york's jfk airport. both incidents highlighting how on edge travelers are following recent terror attacks abroad. and i just spoke with airport police, they were saying they still have no idea what that loud noise was and as for the emergency exits, how did they get on to the tarmac, most were fire exits. is this showing a weak link in the security system? they say, no, they have cameras on those exits, it was just one of those things that happened during this mass hysteria. carol? >> you have all of these passengers panicking and running on to the tarmac. what was security doing during this time? >> reporter: everything they possibly could to quell this. they said that they were victimized by bad word of mouth and social media. people were retweeting these false reports, and it just sort
of took off. they had officers fanned out all over the airport. what happened was so strange, it started, as we said, this is a horseshoe shaped structure, airport, it happened down at terminal 8, it skipped to where i am now, terminal 4, then across all the way diagonally to terminal 1. it spread like wildfire. this seems to be an incident really wasn't social media, it was anti social media, as people were whipping up the most sensational things they could think of and talking about all of this as gunfire. >> unbelievable. paul ver cammen reporting live from lax this morning. donald trump is promising a major speech on his immigration plans and even his closest allies are desperate for cla clarity, many struggled this weekend to explain trump's softening on the hard line stance that's embraced and celebrated by most of his hard core supporters. more on that, good morning. >> good morning, carol, when
even your running mate can't articulate what your position is on an issue that's a cornerstone of your presidential campaign, that's how you can tell there's a lot of confusion, and that's certainly where donald trump's immigration policy stands now. he is expected to clear this up on wednesday in an immigration speech. what we'll be watching for is whether he just changes his tone on immigration or whether he is backtracking on a central tenant of his campaign. his pledge to deport millions of undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. >> we are going to get rid of the criminals, and it's going to happen within one hour after i take office. believe me. >> reporter: donald trump announcing he'll deliver a highly anticipated immigration speech wednesday in arizona after all. >> if you want to be here legally, you have to apply to be here legally. >> reporter: the trump campaign insisting the proposal won't amount to amnesty or include a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. >> we all learned in kindergarten to stand in line and wait our turn.
>> reporter: as questions mount whether trump is softening his hard line position from the primaries -- >> at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally, they will go out. >> reporter: even his allies appear unclear on his stance. >> what about the millions in the country right now, what happens to them? >> i think donald trump will articulate what we do with the people that are here, but i promise you -- >> he already has articulated. >> reporter: the gop chairman even saying deporting all 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. is complicated. >> he's reflecting on it and his position is going to be known. >> reporter: this as trump plans a labor day weekend trip to a predominantly black church in detroit, part of his ongoing effort to woo minority voters. >> african-american, hispanics, vote for donald trump. what do you have to lose? it can't get any worse. what do you have to lose? >> reporter: the republican nominee sparking controversy over the weekend for
politicizing the death of chicago bulls' star dwyane wade's cousin, tweeting, "just what i have been saying, african-americans will vote trump." an hour later, trump offered his condolences. this tweet just the latest example of trump facing criticism for touting his political positions in the wake of tragedy. >> it's horrible. and it's only getting worse. i say vote for donald trump, i will fix it. >> reporter: as trump continues to blame the democratic party and hillary clinton for minority hardship and racial tension. >> they've run the inner cities for years and look what you have. they are like war zones. >> how quickly people have forgotten that hillary clinton called black youth super predators. remember that? super predators. >> reporter: both trump and clinton's campaigns using their opponent's own words against each other. >> what the hell do you have to lose? >> now trump is trying to keep
the pressure on hillary clinton this week on the air waves. his campaign is going up with a $10 million new advertising buy that's going to be in nine battleground states, but it's not focused on immigration, carol, this is focused on the economy. >> all right. sara murray reporting live from washington, thanks so much. let's talk about this now, with me now, trump supporter betsy mccoy and advocate director for the united we dream network. i'd like to start with you, kellyanne conway says mr. trump's updated immigration plan does not involve a deportation force for the 11 million undocumented people in the united states. that was mr. trump's signature issue, so why is he pivoting, if he's pivoting? >> i don't believe he's pivoting, but i would say he's prioritizing, as all leaders do. top priority, removing hardened criminals who are illegal aliens. number two, building the wall to stop the flow of drugs and drug
trafficking gangs into this country. and -- >> going back to the deportation force for a second, i want to concentrate on that. what is his stand on that, betsy? >> well, he met with hispanic leaders a week ago. he's met with many members of congress about this. >> right, what's his stand? >> it would require congressional action. and, let me point out -- >> he would want to get the deportation force okayed by congress before he implemented it, is that it? >> obviously. there are three branches of government. creating and funding a deportation force would require action by congress. there's no question about that. >> so, in your mind, is this a more humane way to do things? >> you know, i choose facts above trump fiction, and the fact is, that trump has been going after me and my family since day one of his candidacy and promised mass deportation.
his campaign might be saying and his surrogates might be saying there's no pivot, the same thing, but the reality is, it's not. he's been saying from day one he wants to deport people like myself, he wants to take away the birthright citizenship of people like my sister, and, you know, he also stands alone. the majority of the american public say my mother and i deserve a pathway to citizenship, so it's erratic and not very understandable like most of his campaign and his policy positions. >> before we go on, mr. trump is going to get his big immigration speech in arizona, and i just want to read you the stats from what voters are thinking within the state of arizona. mrs. clinton is leading mr. trump with hispanic voters in arizona by 37 points. so, obviously, what mr. trump is selling on his immigration isn't really flying among at least hispanic voters in arizona.
betsy? >> yeah, i would like to address that. first of all, people who come here legally want the law enforced, whether they are hispanic or chinese or italian, wherever they come from, they respect the rule of law. they waited in line themselves, and they expect everyone else to do that. i received an e-mail yesterday, as i often do, from a woman in florida who was very upset. she took her mother to the emergency room, her mother's on medicare, and she told me what i hear every day, that the emergency rooms are scrimping on people on medicare because the emergency rooms are so overwhelmed with illegal immigrants. and the signs on the emergency room door -- just let me finish -- say that illegal immigrants must be treated. so the fact is, as sympathetic as i am to anyone who needs health care, the fact is, the nation cannot take care of the entire world. and the cost to -- >> -- is that what you're
saying? >> i am saying that people who come here illegally should not be eligible for all the benefits that american citizens -- >> are you saying they should get out? >> yes, i am saying that. people who came here illegally should not benefit from -- and both barack obama and hillary clinton originally said illegal immigrants would not receive health benefits. now both of them have switched. the obama administration is spending billions on health benefits for illegal immigrants and mrs. clinton has flip-flopped -- >> please, you just told her she should be out of the country, so let her respond. >> betsy, i -- i'm appalled by what you just said on national television that people like myself and mother and dreamers all across the country should leave, because that puts you in the minority. 84% of the american public believe i belong here, and they know the gifts that we bring to this country, and so you have just defined yourself as a trump
clan member, someone that believes the xenophobic vision trump has for the country and in november you're going to lose and that vision is going to lose, because the american public, and as a latina, i know what's important to our people, that is safety, that is economic opportunity, and that means the ability to live happily and safely in your home. the things you laid out are the complete opposite of that. >> i'm very sympathetic to you, but i don't identify myself as anything other than an american and if you were here, i hope you would identify yourself as an american. the fact is, we need to have the rule of law here, and in addition, if we want real economic opportunity, we need to make sure that the people who are already here get jobs before we have open borders and try to take care of the whole world. we cannot do that. >> mr. trump just tweeted, and i just want to read it to you, just to get your impression of this. mr. trump tweeted.
"look how bad it is getting. how much more crime, how many more shootings will it take for african-americans and latinos to vote trump." and he said trump equals safe. just your reaction to that. >> i mean, it's a continuous of a 15 months of campaigning that is ripping our community and our country apart. it's sound bites and pieces that are not coherent, that are not deep policy conversations. that of which we expect of a presidential candidate, and it continues to lay out who he really is, a xenophobic zealot that believes this country is unsafe and not great, and from all of the sacrifices that my parents have made to come to this country to raise four daughters, two of them are u.s. citizens, that is such an affront to the vision that america has about ourselves. so, i will not be sorry for mr. trump when he loses in november, and i will ensure that happens. >> and, betsy, i will say, what
proof do you have that the majority of those 11 million undocumented immigrants in the united states are committing crime, or the majority of crime? >> there's absolutely no suggestion that the majority of the people that have come here are committing crimes. no one would suggest that, and that is exactly why donald trump -- that's exactly why donald trump has said the first priority will be to remove hardened criminals, build a wall, and stop the gangs and the drug trafficking from coming in here. that's exactly why he's made the distinction that you're using now to try and label him a flip-flopper. he is making priorities. the real flip-floppers are the obama administration and mrs. clinton, who promised americans illegals would not get health care benefits. >> to put things in perspective, betsy, since president obama took office, 2.8 million people have been deported from this country. in 2015 alone, 235,000 people have been deported. so there are illegals being
deported from this country already. >> good, good. no one suggested that wasn't happening. >> you just did. >> no, i didn't. i said donald trump would make it a top priority. >> okay. >> because we see people like kate steinly being murdered by illegal immigrants who are given one chance after another to get out of jail and commit another crime. >> i have to leave it there. thanks to both of you. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," she lived in the shadow of a famous cousin, but died in a horrific explosion of violence as she pushed her baby in a stroller. her story and the arrest of two suspects just ahead. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently.
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caught in the crossfire of a nearby argument as she pushed her newborn in a stroller. her mother talking with cnn struggled to make sense of the killing and the four children now left without their mom. >> and i can go on and on, you know, about nykea being an awesome mom, you know, trying to move ahead with the kids, you know, move them to better areas, you know. she was just trying to make a better life for her and her kids. that's the most important thing in her life was her kids. it just hurts to hear kids saying they want their mom and their mom won't be in their lives anymore. >> cnn's rachel crain sat down for that interview. she joins me now from chicago. good morning, rachel. >> morning, carol. it was just heartbreaking sitting down with that mourning mother, hearing the pain that she's going through. she said she wanted to celebrate
her daughter nykea's life. she described her as simply awesome. she said she was a fashionista, and as we just heard, her four children her whole life. she also had a powerful message for the shooters. take a listen. >> chicago police say these are the two men responsible for killing a mother of four over the weekend. brothers darwin and derren charged with first-degree murder. >> when will enough be enough? >> police voicing outrage over the shooters' lengthy rap sheets, saying they are both gang members and convicted felons out on parole. derren, 22, was released from prison just two weeks ago with six felony arrests. darwin, 26, got out of prison in february. he had been serving a six-year sentence for a felony drug charge. >> we need to put them in jail and keep them there. >> caught in the deadly crossfire was 32-year-old nykea
aldridge, cousin of chicago bulls' superstar dwyane wade. the tragic death in wade's hometown shining a spotlight on chicago's ongoing gun violence epidemic. >> just set up on a panel yesterday, the undefeated, talking about the violence that's going on within our city, chicago, never knowing that the next day we would be the ones that would be actually living and experiencing it. >> reporter: aldridge was pushing her baby in the stroller when she was struck in the head and arm by stray bullets. she was on her way to register her older children for school. >> it's just heartbreaking. it's really -- oh, god. it's heartbreaking. to raise her own children. >> reporter: but through the pain, nykea's mother had this emotional message for her daughter's killers. >> i truly, truly, from the bottom of my heart, i forgive
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and good morning, i'm carol costello, thanks so much for joining me. the battle over who is fit to be commander in chief intensifying with a new challenge from donald trump. he says if hillary clinton releases her medical records, he will, too. so gauntlet thrown, but this comes after weeks of campaign trail insults, accusations flying between camps of illness and mental instability with statements like this. >> basically we have a psychopath running for president. he meets the clinical definition. >> wait a minute, wait a minute, do you really think -- diagnosing people on air, and i assume you don't have a degree in psychology, is that fair? we're jumping -- we're jumping to conclusions here. this is what gets voters a little frustrated in this campaign. >> listen, the grandiose notion of self worth, pathological
lying, lack of empathy and remorse. >> he went on to say if the race ends today, he believes clinton would win, in, quote, a landsli landslide. let's talk about this with joshua clinton, no relation, political science professor. welcome to both of you. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. so, maria, should david plouffe have gone there? >> well, look, i think the matter here is that these are serious times, carol, and i do think that voters deserve a serious conversation -- >> but come on. serious conversation -- >> exactly, they deserve a serious conversation about the health of the candidates. and so i think if you look at what the candidates have released so far, you have a medical letter, a genuine medical letter from hillary clinton's doctor that is very detailed. >> before we get into that,
maria, going back to what david plouffe said, should he have said that or not? >> i don't think it adds to the seriousness of the conversation, and i do think that voters deserve seriousness when it comes to the health of their candidates, and that's what we should be focusing on. having said that, i do think there are a lot of people, because of trump's own, you know, the way that he has acted, the way he's flip-flopped, the way he focuses on his narcissistic behavior, they kind of do question whether he's all there. >> you're going down the same road david plouffe did, you said we slohouldn't go there. >> you asked me about that specifically. i'm focusing on that voters should understand the health condition of both of their candidates. that is what they deserve. that is what hillary clinton has put forth. and we have yet to see a serious medical diagnosis from a doctor who has actually examined donald trump, who has actually put forward information like cholesterol, ekg, respiratory rate, the medications they have taken.
that still remains to be seen, and donald trump has the gal to challenge her on actual medical records when he hasn't released anything? >> let's talk, joshua, about what's normal. if this were a normal election and a normal campaign, what would be the protocol here as far as medical records are concerned? >> well, typically the candidates have done what's historically done, release a statement from their doctors of varying degrees. you recall in 2008 john mccain under some pressure released more than 1,000 pages of detailed medical records when some were raising concerns whether or not he would be fit to president given how old he was. so there is historical variability how much detail candidates are willing to release when they are running for president. >> right, so usually, normally, the candidates, letters from their doctors, and then do they ever at any time release some more detailed account of their
medical history? >> well, sometimes, again, when it becomes a prominent issue in the campaign. so for example, again, in 2008 when john mccain, this was a big issue in the campaign, health, given his age. so he was under some pressure, so he went forward and kind of released more than 1,000 pages of detailed medical records that kind of show that he was fit and able to serve as president of the united states. so if it becomes an issue, candidates will sometimes go above and beyond and release more than what's customary to do so to get the issue off the table and move on to other debates. >> so why doesn't hillary clinton throw down the gauntlet then and say, sure, here they are, and see what donald trump does? >> well, because why don't we first start with focusing on what donald trump hasn't shared with voters, that 40 years of presidential candidates have shared with voters, and that hillary clinton has shared 37 years of, which is their taxes. that's why i'm talking about the gal of this presidential
candidate, who is focusing on medical records when he hasn't even released a credible medical letter, our own sanjay gupta could hardly keep from laughing at the ridiculousness of the letter that he did put out, so show us a real medical letter, then show us your taxes, then let's talk about medical records. >> joshua, when all is said and done, put this in context for us, we're talking about things during this election that are just -- i mean, i do think the physical condition of candidates are really important, it's important for voters to know given the age of the two candidates, but we're talking about it in such a, i don't know, not a very helpful way, are we? >> i mean, this is an issue that's being driven by the candidates, and the candidates are trying to make their own points and shape the narrative of what's going on in the campaign. now you have, you know, a gauntlet being thrown down, as you said, and now that makes it a highly partisan issue. instead of the candidates kind of being able to -- or willing
to offer up unequal terms, now it seems if she releases her health records she's giving into trump's threat or living up to his challenge that he threw down, so in this kind of hyperpartisan rhetoric, it's somewhat hard to be forthcoming, because if you're forthcoming, are you portrayed as a loser and giving in, so it's unhelpful and not really great environment that we're working in and living in right now in terms of where the candidates are and where the debate is and discussion. >> except for i want to be very clear that the person who has been more forthcoming than anyone in this presidential campaign has been hillary clinton. we have not seen anything as forthcoming as what she has put forward from donald trump. >> all right, i have to leave it there, maria cardona, joshua clinton, thanks to both of you. still to come in the "newsroom," quarterback colin kaepernick sits down, refuses to stand up during the national anthem. now critics are fired up. i mean that literally.
outrage and fever pitch surrounding 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick's refusal to stand during the national anthem. some fans are burning their kaepernick jersey, one playing the national anthem and calling him -- well, i can't exactly say what he called him on the air, but watch. >> listen, you ignorant son of a [ bleep ]. you should never play another down in the nfl again. move to canada. >> kaepernick remains defiant, now saying he plans to stay seated for the national anthem moving forward. >> i'll continue to sit. i'm going to continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. to me, this is something that has to change, and when there's significant change and i feel like that flag represents what it's supposed to represent and
this country is representing people the way it's supposed to, i'll stand. >> cnn correspondent sara sidner has more from us from los angeles. good morning. >> good morning. colin kaepernick has started a firestorm, people are outraged in some camps, but there's also a lot of support for him, as well. i know we haven't shown that yet, but there is support for him from some folks on social media and we have seen this before with athletes taking a stand on issues. he's clearly talking about the black lives matter movement. he's clearly talking about what is happening to black folks when it comes to their relationship with police, and you can hear him talking in those terms talking about bodies in the streets and talk about oppression. his teammates, however, were not harsh. in fact, it seems they have supported him, and the nfl has a rule, you do not have to stand for the national anthem. you can sit, you can do whatever you want, it is not required and the nfl came out and said that. here's what his teammates had to say about his actions. >> it all comes down to, you
know, colin doing what he believes in, and want to break it down even more, colin has a right to do whatever he wants to do and is valued to his opinion. what we're focused on here is keeping this team together, not letting any type of cancer or anything get in between us. >> we're a family, and we're not always going to agree in the locker room, outside the locker room, fans, players, so we're not always going to agree or disagree, but we're a family in here and we're going to support every guy just the same. >> so you hear them talking about family, you have black players, you have white players who have basically said, look, we support him, he has an opinion, and he is free to express it. the nfl has said the same thing. two years ago we saw four players for the st. louis rams came out on the field with their hands up, hands up, don't shoot signs on, and they were talking about the shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, and what has transpired since then
is protests across the nation from mostly african-american folks who believe that the relationship with the police has to be fixed, so you're hearing this now from kaepernick, but he's also said he was ready for the backlash, he knew there would be backlash and we have seen it on social media, people burning his jerseys, as you showed earlier, people telling him to get out of the country, but part of what he was tab ilk about, look, this is his right as an american to protest. he is someone who is famous and trying to put forth his ideas on what needs to change in this country. carol? >> all right, sara sidner reporting live for us from los angeles. let's talk about this now with chris draft, former linebacker with the atlanta falcons, chicago bears, and the 49ers. welcome, sir. >> thank you. >> what do you think colin kaepernick's actions is doing to his team? >> i think when you saw the interviews, the team has to, you know, really look at him and say, you know, are we going to support him, that's our guy.
they realize he has the right to stand up, so they are going to rally around him and be stronger as a team. >> you think so, there won't be any internal strife? >> there can be, there can be, but based on what you saw, everyone has to ask themselves very clearly, does he have the right to do what he wants and i think he does. they might disagree with him. you can absolutely disagree with him not standing, but he has the right to do that. >> players outside of the 49ers have spoken out and they say, look, there are people who have fought for this country and by standing for the national anthem, you're honoring them. by sitting, you're not honoring these people who have fought for your right to free speech. >> it's -- that's -- i can understand what they are saying, but what you're actually fighting for is his right to express himself in that way. i can disagree with it. will i stand for the national anthem? yes. if i'm in that situation, you know, he has to decide how he wants to stand for, you know, for what he believes in.
but because he's an american, he has that right. >> he also in an extended interview brought politics into the equation and i'd like you to listen to that and then comment on the other side. let's listen. >> i think the two presidential candidates that we currently have also represent the issue that we have in this country right now. you have hillary, who's called black teens or black kids super predators. you have donald trump who's openly racist. i mean, we have a presidential candidate who's deleted e-mails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. that doesn't make sense to me. because if that was any other person, you'd be in prison. so, what is this country really standing for? >> okay, so, and, you know, i'm just playing devil's advocate here, there are many fans who watch football who say, you know what, i don't want to think about politics.
this is one of the few things that draws america together, football games on a sunday. please, stop. >> they absolutely don't want to hear it, but at the end of the day, it's a bunch of men. it's men that are playing this game and regardless if they agree with what he's saying, you can see it right now, there are a lot of people who don't agree with it, there are people who do agree with it. he has the right to say it and that's really what it comes down to. he has a tremendous platform being in the nfl and if he chooses to stand up, the key is he has to accept the costs of standing up are. there's going to be a backlash and he said he's ready for it, but it is different. it's different now with social media. >> here's the thing, you talk about backlash, and i just harken back to chris kluwe, you know, he played on minnesota, came out strongly in favor of gay rights, he complained, he's now no longer playing. he said in the past he thinks his stand on gay rights had an impact on, you know, on whether he could continue to play for
minnesota. do you think that might happen to colin kaepernick? >> there can be, backlash doesn't just happen because of you taking a stand on a particular issue, but if you being a distraction to your team, then they really have to think about do they want you around, and that's, by him standing up, that's what happens. he's now become a distraction, so the 49ers have a choice, do they -- is his distraction bigger than his worth as a football player, and if for some reason he's not with the 49ers, he looks around at other teams, they are going to have to ask themselves that same question. >> i guess it depends whether he's playing well or not. >> that definitely goes into it. it's part of the -- >> cynical. >> he has a huge platform and, again, you don't have to agree with him, but what's great about america is we're allowed to have freedom of speech, so he can stand up and say what he believes, but he does have to -- there are going to be consequen consequences. >> chris draft, thanks so much for being with me this morning. still to come in the
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♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ police now looking for the suspect that murdered an ithaca college student in upstate new york. the victim, 19-year-old anthony navar was at nearby cornell when authorities say a huge fight broke out sunday morning. >> this is when people are going back to school, students, and it was just a week ago that these parents sent him back to ithaca college to go to class to start his sophomore year. what we know from police is he
and another person were attending a student-run organization meeting at cornell university, even though they go to ithaca college, of course those two campuses not far apart. something happened, a fight broke out on the campus. police were called sunday at about 2:00 in the morning. anthony nazir died from his injuries. a stabbing. they do have the weapon in custody. at this point they're looking for cell phone video, they said a lot of people might have recorded this incident, and they're trying to get all that video for this investigation. >> no word on how fight started? >> no word what this organization meeting was, nothing organized through campus sort of events so it's really unclear at this point. >> brin gingrass, thanks so much. it's been 11 years since
hurricane katrina devastated parts of the south including new orleans and louisiana. at this hour, the city of new orleans is remembering the vick tips. as you know, 2000 people were killed. more than 1 million people were displaced. the city has come a long way since august 29th when hurricane katrina made its second and third landfalls leaving feets of water in new orleans. many of those who stayed were forced to seek refuge on rooftops. i remember clearly i reported from new orleans in the days after the storm. here's what i saw. night is falling on bush be street and this is really the only thing you see, military trucks going up and down the streets. trying to let this truck go by so you can continue to hear me. take a look over here at this sign. this is a real concern because it says, bio hazard, mold and
mildew. the federal government is warning you come here at your own risk. take a look at the streets. they're pretty clean of debris. all the debris are in big bins right across the street. pan over there. all that garbage is causing a headache because they simply do not know where to put it and let me tell you the smell is not pretty either. in fact, it's outrageous. okay, so that was the better parts of new orleans at that time. 11 years later, it is business as usual on bourbon street. here's a look at how far the area has come. on the left is a photo of the superdome. on the right, an image from 2015. here's a picture of flooded out neighborhoods and streets. those neighborhoods and streets now rebuilt. yet despite the progress, there are also scars in some parts of the city. well, some parts of the city, they're still rebuilding. the next hour after a break.
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happening now in the "newsroom," chaos at one of the nation's busiest airports. passengers at lax running past security and on to the tarmac, all for nothing? plus -- trump set to set the record straight on his immigration plan. >> on day one, i'm going to begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country. >> but what about that deportation force? >> he's reflecting on it and his position is going to be known. >> and, more death on the streets of chicago. >> it just hurts me. kids. they want their mom and their mom won't be in their lives. >> police charge two men in the
murder of dwyane wade's cousin. >> when will enough be enough. >> let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. donald trump is promoting a major speech on his immigration plans. trump had appeared to be softening on his promise to boot all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country. but his more moderate tone did not last. >> on day one, i'm going to begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country. including removing the hundreds and thousands of criminal illegal immigrants that have been released into the united states and united states communities under the incompetent obama/clinton administration. >> cnn's sara murray live in
washington with more on this, good morning. >> good morning, carol. immigration was really, as you know, the central issue of donald trump's campaign. but you know it reached a confusing period when even his running mate can't explain exactly where trump stands on the issue. and he's not the only one of trump trp ally's who's struggling to explain. listen to this. >> he has said if you want on it here legally, you have to apply to be here legally. he is talking about being fair and humane, but also being fair to the american workers who are competing for jobs, being fair to all of us who want secure borders. >> you're not pledging that there will be a remove anal of all undocumented immigrants. europe not saying that. >> no, what i'm saying, what i said to you a minute ago, i want to be very clear, there will be no path to legalization. >> right. >> no path to citizenship. people that want to gain legal status, you heard donald trump say again and again, will have to leave the country. >> what about the millions in
this country right now? >> i think donald trump will articulate what we do with the people who are here, but i promise you -- >> he already has articulated it. >> donald trump is more concerned about the american people. >> i believe he is going to when he talks about deportation, he's going to go after people who here and are criminals and who shouldn't be here. >> who's a criminal in this circumstance? because some people believe just being here illegally is a crime and that makes you a criminal. does that count? >> well, look, those are the things donald trump is going to answer. this is not obviously a simple question. >> plenty of people are going to looking to this wednesday speech in phoenix for a little more clarification of where trump stands. it's really going to come down to two key issues. what does he do about the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are right here in the country right now. does he stick with his plan to use a deportation force to send them all home? but the other question is, what about so-called birth right citiz citizenship. he says he wants to get rid of it. these are people who were born
in the united states but whose parents are undocumented immigrants. so he'll look for clarity on that issue as well, carol. >> all right, can't wait until wednesday, sara murray reporting live from washington, thank you. joining me now, the former state department spokesperson under hillary clinton. and alfonso agulara, former chief of the office of u.s. citizenship. welcome to both of you. so alfonso, i had a trump supporter on last hour, betsy mccoy, who told me donald trump still wants a deportation force, but he wants to put it before congress. is that your understanding? >> at this point, it's hard to figure out what exactly his plan is going to be. i think we have to wait until his speech on wednesday. but i think he has said however a couple months ago that he only wants to support those individuals with criminal backgrounds, not those who have no criminal record. and to be fair, from the very beginning, he did say that those people, that everybody would have to leave and those people
without criminal records, the good people as he calls them, could come back quickly. the question at this point is would those people who have to actually leave, do the touchback, outside of country, or could they do it internally, go to an embassy, a consulate, and register there, and then we can put them in a path to legal status. that is the question. >> that is a big question. nyara, you worked for the government, how might that work with 11 million people, even if they don't have to leave the country and come back in, but to go to an embassy or a consulate? >> well, this is the fundamental question and the challenge with donald trump, i think what alfonso just articulated, is more clear than anything we heard from anybody on his campaign or from himself in this last week of the exploration of softening on immigration. i mean, congress and the executive branch have been wrestling with what is a proper
way to deal with 11 million people here, many of whom are hard working, paying their taxes, and these are the same people that donald trump says everybody's going to be treated the same and needs to be gotten rid of. the challenge we're seeing now with trump's rhetoric is he built a base of support around build a wall, kick everybody out, and that base is very different than the large swath of independent undecided voters right now who want a more humane and more reasonable policy, which is something his campaign manager said he might be exploring. so he's in a tough position right now of do you stick with what your base wants, which is very hard line, kick everybody out, put then behind a wall, or try to appeal to a broader group of society that wants something more reasonable and an articulated plan. the problem trump is having is he doesn't understand the nuance of policy and what various words mean, amnesty -- >> going back to the specific
policy. alfonso, you're a former chief of the u.s. office of citizenship, so you know these things, right. if donald trump now wants to make the bad ones leave the country, how do you figure out which of the undocumented immigrants in the country are our bad ones? >> well, it's actually -- >> what does that mean, bad ones? i guess definition, if you're undocumented, you're breaking the law. who are the bad ones? >> well, it depends. i don't think he's ever defined who the bad ones really are. from my perspective, the bad ones are people would created criminal offenses. being illegally in the country per se is an illegal infraction, it's not a crime. now, having said this, i think at the same time, to be fair, we also have to look at hillary clinton. she hasn't gone into detail -- >> now, before we do that, before we deflect to hillary clinton, trump said this weekend, alphonso, he'll have the criminal undocumented immigrants out in an hour of his
inauguration. can he do that? >> no, of course not. i think -- >> why does he say these things then? >> well, i mean, we talk about it every day, carol. donald trump is not a politician. he says things that a nonpolitician says. yes, it's not a serious statement. i don't think -- >> isn't that answer getting a little tired alphonso? right now, we're some 70 days within the election. people are going to start voting in 30 days. they kind of need to know where he stands on this. >> at least he's talking about it. is hillary clinton going to continue the deportation policies of the obama administration? and the obama administration's prioritizing undocumented immigrants with criminal records. obama deported more people -- >> i hear you on the hillary clinton thing -- >> but we haven't heard -- >> -- but i think voters want to know exactly what donald trump's about and what he's going to do and maybe we'll find out on wednesday but some of the thing he's saying right now are
impossible to achieve. >> i agree, deporting people in an hour, it's impossible. i don't think anybody thinks it's a serious proposal. beginning with donald trump. donald trump talks -- >> and that's -- >> uh-huh? >> and that's part of the challenge, is what is he serious about and what is he not. he was the candidate who was going to speak the truth to the people, be very authentic. and now he's trying to be somebody who's supposedly more reasonable and that leaves him upsetting his base and not really appealing to anybody who is looking for policy nuance. so what is he left with right now? >> the fact that he talks that way i think shows he's very authentic. go back to hillary. she says she wants to build bridges, not walls. she voted for the secure fence act which calls for the building of not one wall, two balls, along the southern border. is anybody talking about it? no. >> all right, thanks to you both. new audio from inside the
cockpit as a pilot calls air traffic control during a major security scare. you're going to hear that in just a second. this was the terrifying scene overnight as passengers ran for their lives at the los angeles international airport. rumors an active shooter opened fire spread like a wildfire. that did not keep panicked people from breaching secure areas and spilling into the tarmac. we're going right to cnn's paul ver camcamp, good morning. >> 280 flights delayed on both departure and arrival and here's what it sounded like for a pilot who found out there was mass chaos here at lax. >> ground, this is united 488 at 72. >> 48, go ahead. >> we can't get a hold of ops. apparently there's an active shooting in the terminal. can you please us us what's
happening? >> yeah, we can confirm that. there are people running in the streets here. um, that's why you can't get a hold of them. we're going to try to call them. give me about five minutes here. >> okay. do you have any idea where this is taking place? >> this is united -- >> this is 488-72. >> yes, apparently terminal eight is what i heard. >> and, carol, they still don't know what was that loud noise that somebody mistook for gunfire near terminal eight or inside terminal eight at gate 82, back to you. >> so pandemonium broke out, paul. are they talking about new security measures to prevent something like this from happening again? >> right now, they're not. and basically some of these people got on to the tarmac by going through emergency doors or fire doors. they say they've got cameras on those doors. but what seems to be an
underlying concern here is something that may not have happened 15 years ago and that is people got on social media and whipped this up even more than it needed to be. no, you can't, you shouldn't shout fire in a crowded theater, and here's now the new question in the modern era, should you retweet gunfire in a crowded airport? somebody to be chewed on, carol. >> all right, paul vercammen reporting live from lax this morning. an nba star's cousin shot to death as she pushes a child into a stroller. two men arrested in her murder. an award-winning rapper tries to tell police he was robbed at gunpoint. he wants to report the crime. wait until you see what happened at the police station. >> what information do you need? >> sir -- >> what information do you need? i would like to give you that information to report that i've been robbed this morning. she spent summer binge-watching.
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chicago police have charged two men in the shooting death of nykea aldridge, nykea is the cousin of nba star dwyane wade. she was caught in the cross fire of a nearby argument as she pushed her newborn in a stroller. nykea's mother talking with cnn struggled to make sense of the killing and the four children now left without a mom. >> they want their mom. it just hurts to hear kids saying they want their mom and their mom won't be in their lives anymore. only through spirit. only through pictures. that's the only way they can know their mom for the rest of their lives. only thing they have to go on is what they had. it's just heartbreaking. it's really -- oh, god, it's
heartbreaking. -- to raise her own children. >> cnn's rachel crane sat down for that emotional interview. she joins us with more from chicago, good morning. >> good morning, carol. it was truly heartbreaking speaking to that mourning mother. she went on to say she wanted to celebrate nykea's life. she said her daughter was a fashionista. she described her as simply amazing. she said nykea was obsessed with the color purple. that she was a wonderful writer and loved writing poetry. that her whole life was about her four children. she also had a very powerful message for the shooters. take a listen. >> i forgive them. i forgive them. i can't bring her back but i forgive them and i just pray to god that they pray to god to ask for forgiveness for what they've done. they've taken a person's life senselessly. >> just remarkable, that through all of that pain she's sending
out that message of forgiveness. and, carol, this is not the first time that diann has lost a child. her oldest daughter died ten years ago, also the result of gun violence. we've learned a little bit more about the brothers, darwin and derwin, who committed this crime. described as career criminals. darren, the youngest brother, was at the time under electronic surveillance but at the time of the incident he was not wearing his anklet. that's because he was supposed to be looking for a job. carol. >> rachel crane, thank you. chicago's police chief visibly frustrated with the violence in his city. >> when will enough be enough. how often do we have to stand at a podium like this demanding from our judicial and policy partners some type of
resolution. >> his sentiment understandable. but resolution, community healing and trust no easy task in chicago. just this weekend, grammy and oscar award winning artist ryan felt says he tried to tell police about a serious crime. someone held a gun to his head before stealing his wallet. first, i'd like you to watch what happened at the police station. >> i told you exactly what was wrong with me. i told you exactly what my problem was. >> -- police station, you can't do that -- >> i can use my camera. >> not in a police station. >> no, you got to go. >> i cannot make a report on me being robbed? >> -- give you a report -- >> sir, the supervisor -- >> what did the supervisor say? >> he asked you to leave. >> why? >> because you aren't giving the information we need to take your report. >> what information do you need? >> sir -- >> what information do you need? i would like to give you that information to report that i've been robbed this morning. >> -- camera -- >> i don't care, but -- >> i'm asking, what information
do you need to report that i've been robbed this morning? >> what was this officer asking you? >> she asked me what happened and i told her what happened. >> calm down, this is not -- >> okay, i'm in shock because i just had a gun to my head. so she asked me what happened and i told her what happened. i would either like to tell you what first happened. when i walked through the door and she asked me what was wrong, she kept eating, she kept playing candy crush -- okay, let's talk about this, will tell you since no one else listened. i don't feel comfortable because i'm feeling -- when the camera goes off, you tell me to get out, can't make a report. >> so let's talk about this. our guest joins me live from chicago. welcome. thank you for being on with me this morning. so when you initially -- >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. when you initially walked into that police department to make a police report, how were you treated? >> well, when i walked in, i don't feel as though the police
even saw me. the first thing that happened was that i told them i was robbed violently. the lady was playing candy crush and eating cookies and she said hold on. i thought she was going to make the report. she started to finish her game. so i said really. and another lady said come over, i'll take the report. she's listening to me, then she said to me, put your hands on the table so that i can feel secure. i put my hands on the table so she could feel secure. and she said, well, you still have your phone, you must no have been that good of a robber. i started to feel patronized at that point and i asked to speak to a superior. they told me that i couldn't speak to a superior. i couldn't ask them questions that i needed to just talk to them. i said i need to speak to a superior. lo and behold, the sergeant was standing in the room watching the whole thing go down. the sergeant then told me that
if i didn't want to talk to them, i was not going to make a report that day and i needed to get the "f" out of the police station. and that's when i turned the camera on. when i turned the camera on, the police became more concerned with the camera than they did the crime. at that point, i felt like i'd gotten robbed twice that day. i'd gotten robbed for $3 by a robber who put a gun to my head and took my wallet, but i also got robbed of my tax dollars from the chicago police department. >> so take me back to the initial crime. because if someone pointed a gun at my head, i would be horribly frightened. what was that like? >> well, you know, i'm a writer. i do music. i was writing in my car, 7:30 in the morning. i parked my car. many times when you put the car in park, the doors unlock. my doors unlocked. moments later, someone jumped in, put a gun to my head and told me i was going to die
today. i asked the robber what did he want. he said, i want the money, all of it. i gave him my money. and i would like to say, if i can, to the person who robbed me, if you look in my wallet and you see the i.d. that says chase smith, reach out to me, contact me. you got $3 from me. i could have easily have helped you to get a job more so than given you $3. you know, i understand that chicago is suffering from decades of disinvest from the closing of three mental health centers. from the record closing of schools. i understand that violence is happening in my community. but it's interesting this encounter with the police took the wind out of the sail of the robbery. i haven't even dealt with the trauma of a gun pointed at me because i'm trying to fix how can i respond as a citizen.
>> so when you walked into that police -- i'm sure your adrenaline was pumping, right? you go in there, you want to report a crime. did they think -- did it appear to you, seem to you, that they thought you were the dangerous guy? >> unfortunately, i believe where we are in chicago right now, most citizens are perceived as dangerous. whether we are or we aren't. chicago's in a fragile state. however, it's not what donald trump is saying it is either. i live in a south side community. i can walk down my block without getting shot. i can walk down many blocks without getting shot. but it is the decades of disinvestment in the community that makes us not able to really come together. you know, i work with police on many occasions. i have friends and family who
are police officers. you know, what i would like to do, and i did get an apology from the chicago police, i must say that. what i want to make sure is the apology doesn't just go to the grammy award winner or chase smith, that the apology goes to joe smith, to john smith, who's also tried to make a report. you know, we expect more from our taxes. >> going back to the things that, you know, because this is all going to play out in the political election, right, because mr. trump has made this an issue. says you can't walk down the street if you're an african-american because it's like a war zone. he said the democrats have not helped america's inner cities. they've made things worse. what do you think? >> chicago -- i mean, illinois has had many republican governors who have had access. right now, we have a republican governmenter who is also a
businessman, who has held back millions dollars in political fights with democrats but has held back dollars that go to prison reform, that go to schools, that go to hospitals, and that go to communities. by no means do i think that rahm emanuel has been the greatest mayor of chicago. rahm emanuel has shut down a record amount of schools. but there are solutions to our problems as well. and there are many of us in the community that have to be part of the solution. so for instance, like i said, i do music and i'm well known. however, i repurchased my father's house. a father who i never met. i purchased the house that my father grew up in. i went to go find my father. you know, when i found my father, he didn't run out on me at all. my father had been homeless for 30 years. my father had fell in a hole. so i brought my father back to
the house that he grew up in with the son that he never met. we have to -- we have a responsibility as citizens to repair our families and our communities and the system has a responsibility to the citizens for the tax dollars that they collect. you know, we need investment in our communities. i work with young people. i have an organization called donda's house. i don't only do music professionally, i teach creative writing for free in the community i grew up in. so, you know, i think it just takes more people to live in the community, stay in the communities. and we have to root out the corruption and politics. >> right. i think this is an important conversation. i just want to wrap it up this way. because you don't seem to be demonizing anyone. not the police, not our politicians, not republicans, not democrats, not anyone. you're just saying, you know what, it's time we work together. >> yes, you're hitting a very
important point. unless we can begin to see each other. unless we can begin to work together. then nothing's going to get solved. but first and foremost, the guy who robbed me was not even good at his job. he had the outfit. he he was out at 7:00 in the morning. but he sat on top of my bag that had my laptop and my camera and my phone and all he wanted was my wallet. what i would ask is, if this robber had another opportunity to go to school, to get a job, would he do that instead of robbing? i don't think people are making that decision for fun. we need investment in our communities and we need people to look at our communities as more than just political soccer balls. >> che "rhymefest" smith, thank you. >> i want to say i'm inviting donald trump to chicago. i will walk you down a block, mr. trump, and i guarantee you
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donald trump has a new moment, time. there may be 71 days until a general election but millions of americans will cast their votes much sooner than that. early voting starts in minnesota in just 26 days and more than 30 other states follow shortly after that. mr. trump is down in the polls but this week he's try to turn things around by attracting minority voters and by laying out his immigration plan on wednesday and meeting face-to-face with african-americans later in the
week. but is it too little too late? cnn political analyst david gergen joins me now live to talk about this. good morning, david. >> hello, carol. >> hi, david. so do you think it is too late? because early voting starts in a month. >> i don't think it's too late. but time is getting short. two things are happening, carol. one is we've changed the rules of politics about when you vote. when i was growing up, the race was always down to the wire in october as you head to the finish line. now with all these states, as you say, some 33 states having early voting, about 30% of americans who vote this year are likely to vote early. that means that donald trump has got to reach them soon because he's back in the polls. the other thing, carol, that's going on here, that he has to be very concerned about, his team has to be concerned about, is that 90% of voters have told researchers that they've already made up their minds.
and with him behind, that obviously puts the pressure on him. although, i must tell you, hillary clinton should not be complacent. >> okay, so hillary clinton should not. when she sees things like this, 90% of voters have pretty much made up their mind, so why shouldn't she feel complacent? >> because we don't know what more -- what other shoes are still to drop. you know, we've got wikileaking out there promising to unload stuff right before the election. we don't know what kind of e-mails are coming out of the state department. and beyond that, if you get complacent, you can often get arrogant. and one of the things mrs. clinton has allowed to build up is this bubble concerning when she's going to give a press conference. she doesn't want to bring that kind of ams noty with her after the election. i know that will be her sense of
things. but there could be people around her who think we've got this locked up. >> well, mr. trump certainly knowns how to keep himself in the news. he's giving this big speech on wednesday. he's constantly tweeting. hillary clinton today, she was fund-raising yesterday. she's kind of laying low. >> i gather from reports he's now doing about four times as many events as she is. i think she's conserving her energy for those final weeks. she knows -- she's got pretty good reason to believe that the race will remain reasonably static. she'll keep a four or five-point lead for the next month or so. come september 26th, the first debate, that could break things up. that's why she's getting ready for it. i think wisely so. he needs to spend more type, more discipline. he's been getting ready but it sounds a little bit catch as
catch can. we'll have to see how he does it. he's good on his feet, we know that. i do not think she can count donald trump out. it is way too early to count him out. >> he is courting african-american voters. i just interviewed "rhymefest" but he has invited donald trump to walk down the streets of chicago to prove you can actually walk down the streets of chicago and not get shot. >> sure. >> should donald trump take him up on that? >> i think needs to be in african american communities talking about african-americans. yes, take him up on that. understand there is a large -- thankfully, anner larger black middle class, very professional. i had an opportunity to weekend to go to an event in massachusetts, a wonderful group of african-americans who are highly educated. highly professional.
donald trump should not paint all african-americans living in poverty, living in fear of guns, essentially being in urban gun zones, you know, he needs to understand this is a complex country now and if he really wants to win over the african-american vote, he has to have great respect and empathy for a variety of life experiences that african-americans now have. >> david gergen, thanks, as always, for being here. >> thanks, carol. good to see you. >> nice to see you too. the white house on track to meet a major milestone when it comes to the refugee crisis. we'll tell you about that next. whether it's connecting one of the world's most innovative campuses. or bringing wifi to 65,000 fans. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink.
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refugees on to american soil. the potential milestone comes after president obama pledged last fall to resettle refugees in the migrant crisis in europe. not everyone supports the program, however. let's bring in cnn foreign affairs correspondent elise abbott. >> as of this weekend, about a few hundred more should be coming in the next 24 hours. those refugees could be coming to virginia and california. but really these refugees have been settled all across the united states in about 40 states right now have taken in syrian refugees as part of this resettlement program. as you know, this has been a very contentious issue in the election campaign with donald trump saying that the program has, you know, really these deplaced syrians have posed a threat to the united states and he has said he would want to end the program.
now, you know earlier last year, the house voted to ban all syrian refugees. that measure never went anywhere in the senate. but the administration maintains the syrians are highly vetted. it takes about somewhere between 18 months and 2 years for those syrian refugees to be vetted. but now these ones coming are really the most vulnerable. those who have been facing violence, torture, minorities. very glad to be coming here to the united states in the next 24 hours, carol. >> so how many more might come in after that milestone is reached? >> well, really, you've seen about a couple hundred a day other the last several months. and the administration says over the next six weeks, they anticipate in these, a couple hundred will come. so a few thousand maybe could come. there has been those many vetted. it depends how many they can get here in the next six weeks. you know, i think maybe in the next 24 hours we could see maybe somewhere between 10,500 and
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actor and director nate parker speaking out again in the wake of controversy surrounding a 1999 rape case that involved him and a college roommate. parker, who was a student at penn state, was charged with rape at the time and he was acquitted. his accuser committed suicide in 2012. now renewed interest in that rape case has overshadowed the upcoming release of his critically acclaimed film "birth of a nation." after what some say were his insensitive comments to the controversy. in an "ebony" magazine interview, parker talks about what he says is to blame for his
comments. this is a question from "ebony," have you thought about her, the alleged victim, in this incident over the last 17 years? >> no, i had not. i hadn't thought about it at all. "ebony" that's going to come off as very privileged. nate parker, it is, listen to me when i say i'm understanding that i'm dealing with a problem like an addition. also from nate park, just like you can be addicted to white supremacy and all the benefits, you can be addicted to male privilege and all of the benefits that comes from it. so let's talk about that. this is the vice president of news and mens programming at interactive one. she's also a former senior editor for "ebony." and our next guest is the author of "the black presidency, barack obama and the politics of race in america." welcome to both of you. jamila, what does parker mean when he says this about male
privilege and all the things that come with it? >> well, you know, i think that saying you can be addicted to male privilege is another one of saying there are these rights that you feel that you've been gifted by the virtue of your identity, be that your race, your class, your gender. and you come to expect those rights, those entitlements are your due. and so men historically have not been taught about the language of consent. they have not been taught beyond no means no, that you should be looking for -- >> so male privilege in other words means you can rape an unconscious woman and feel okay about it? >> no i would say that male privilege may mean that you don't know that you've committed a sexual assault because you were trained to believe by culture, by society, maybe by your parents that a woman coming to your room is tantamount to consent. now, we know that's not true. but we also know this was not a conversation that was being had at the time where this case happened. i'm a few years younger than nate and i can tell you no one
instructed me about affirmative consent. that's not a term i heard until i was a full grown woman. that's not to excuse nate parker or anyone else who may have assaulted a woman but let's not be intellectually dishonest about what we have taught and not taught about -- >> here's the thing, when i think about men in my life, my dad, my brothers, my husband, a lot of the male friends i have, i would think they would think it's rape if you had sex with an unconscious woman. and that these are things that you should be taught and have always been taught, or am i wrong? >> well, not at all, but you're making a couple of conclusions here. you keep saying she was unconscious. those facts are in dispute. whether one agrees with that or not. she said she was nearly intoxicated severely. he said she was hitting on him. those facts are in dispute. alcohol abuse, which is something else we're not talking about here, the addiction to alcohol literally that has
obscured the ability of people to make rational and sane decisions. but the point that she is making is your father, your brother, are all part of a culture of masculinity that you may not always understand how it operates. what she's arguing here is let's not pretend that 17 years ago we were having sophisticated arguments about sist gender, about male privilege, about what feminists call toxic masculinity, a presumption to a certain kind of assumption about your right in this world as a man. first of all, he was legally technically cleared of rape. so to call hip a rapist is a misnomer. what he has come to grips with is the fact that his own toxic masculinity that not only he has, that millions of men around the country and the world share in, has led to a refusal to engage the notions of consent that women themselves have not always dealt with. and that men have to be taught about. that's the kind of thing i think
is the benefit of what -- >> i don't have a whole lot of time, my show's about to end, but i just want from you, so what should we learn from nate parker and what he said? is it helpful? should we go see his movie? >> i think deciding what you want to support his work as an actor, as an individual, is a personal choice. what i think we should all learn from this is we have an opportunity to have the conversation about consent, that we have not had in the past. the conversation we need to have with young people and with adults about the language of desire. to empower women, to affirmatively say yes or no to sex. to teach men you cannot take someone flirting with you, someone drinking with you, someone simply being in your presence as an invitation to do anything they may or may not want to do. we can change the conversation around sex and we must do it now or we will continue to have stories like this and i wish we had more time because we also have to talk about the complications of race, gender and class in this story. >> right, there's so many elements to this story. i wish we could go on.
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