tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 29, 2016 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
good evening. late today the trump campaign announced the time and place for his long awitnessed rollout of his immigration policy. this may seem odd since it has been the center piece of his campaign from day one. lately it seems to have been in flux. wednesday night in phoenix at 9:00 p.m. eastern time the campaign promises to make all things clear. we begin the hour and the conversation with cnn's jim acosta. >> reporter: donald trump may be signaling his latest shift on immigration, moving toward the idea of prioritizing deportations to target criminals and away from removing all undocumented right away. >> all the media wants to talk
about is the 11 million people or more or less that are here illegally. on day one, i'm going to begin swiftly removing criminal illegal immigrants from this country. >> reporter: in what may be major departure from his controversial call for a deportation force that trump issued during the primaries, a soon orcampaign adviser said the gop nominee will announce in a speech later this week that he will secure the border first and suggests that the conversation on what to do with the millions of undocumented should come, quote, years from now. as for trump's proposal to build a wall on the border -- >> we will build a great wall on the border. >> reporter: -- the adviser said don't bet on any cracks adding it will be an impenetrable physical barrier consistent with the candidate's promises just in the past week. >> it will be as beautiful as a wall can be. we will build the wall 100% and mexico will be paying for the wall.
>> reporter: in an interview on cnn's "state of the union" mike pence told jake tapper the policy is a work in progress but insisted there will be no path to legalization in trump's plan. >> he will stand on the principles that have underpinned his commitment to end illegal immigration in this country. >> in hillary clinton's america, the middle class gets crushed. >> reporter: still trailing hillary clinton in the polls, trump is revving up his spending on new ads aimed at winning back middle class voters. >> in donald trump's america, working families get tax relief. millions of new jobs created. wages go up. small businesses thrive. the american dream achievable. >> reporter: trump is still capable of stepping on his own message. take his tweets on the killing of a relative of pro basketball star dwyane wade. over the weekend trump saw the crime as vindication of his outreach to minorities, tweeting just what i have been saying. african-americans will vote trump. hours later, he tweeted his condolences to wade and his family. >> i feel you have to look at
both tweets where he expresses his condolences and he says, and he reminds everybody he's been trying to make the case that the increase in random crime and senseless murders, the poverty, the joblessness, the homelessness in some of our major cities, is unacceptable to all of us. >> this immigration speech on wednesday, do we know how detailed it's going to be? clearly now donald trump is focusing on border security, you know, deporting criminals and it seems like perhaps kind of leaving less clear-cut idea of what to do with those 11 million illegal workers or immigrants who are already still here. >> yeah, i think that's the direction this is heading right now. we are being told that we will have more information in the speech come wednesday night. the campaign is confident that donald trump's immigration speech will settle any jitters among his supporters. a top adviser says the address will reflect the consensus of
conservatives nationwide. that adviser went on to say that yes, as you were just saying, the priority would be more towards these criminal undocumented versus those who have been in this country for years, and have been law-abiding all along. they recognize inside the campaign that that is a more difficult policy to outline, but anderson, keep in mind i talked to another trump adviser who cautioned that this policy is not final until we hear it from donald trump himself on wednesday night. this is shaping up to be a significant speech. mike pence is apparently going to be there, the vice presidential running mate will be there as well for this address on wednesday night. >> jim acosta, thanks. worth underscoring this has been the centerpiece of the trump campaign all along. it's also worth showing again some of the changes we have been seeing in just the last several weeks, including when i spoke with him last thursday. >> there certainly can be a softening, because we're not looking to hurt people. we want people -- we have some great people in this country. >> he is not flip-flopping on
immigration. his tough stance on immigration will not change. >> i don't think it's a softening. >> 11 million people -- >> i have had people say it's a hardening. >> nothing has changed about donald trump's position on dealing with illegal immigration. his position and principles have been absolutely consistent. >> what he has said is very consistent. the softening is more approach than policy. he's pretty consistent. immigration is a very complex issue. >> back with the panel members. cory lewandowski and patrick healey joining us as well as ana navarro. if there isn't any change in his position, why the talk of a softening which was a word he used? why the comments he really made on sean hannity in those town halls, if there is no change in the 11 million, the deportation idea? >> there really isn't. what donald trump has said from the very beginning is number one he will build a wall and stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country first and foremost. next, as the president he will empower the i.c.e. and cdp to
enforce the rules which if you are a criminal and have been convicted of a felony and are an illegal alien you will leave the country. he will implement an e-verify program and reverse sanctuary cities. the real question is we don't know how many undocumented are here. is it 11 million, 12, 15. we don't know the answer. we first need to stop illegals from coming in. have a position, a policy in place that prevents that so you can actually deal with the people that are here. >> i get that he's saying that. it does run counter to, he did make a big deal in a number of interviews earlier, i think i interviewed him once and he said this but to many other people and on the primary debate stage, the 11 million, however many it is, they got to go. the good ones can come back but they got to go. >> no path to citizenship. very clear about that. it's never changed. no path to scitizenship. doesn't matter if you paid back taxes. we will hear until wednesday when he gives the speech so you
can hear it directly from him. he's not changing his position at all. >> what animated priority voters throughout the winter wasn't the idea that mr. trump would be reflecting conservative consensus. it was the fact he was going to build a wall and deport 11 million people. they like that tough, clear language. >> a lot of the republicans during the primary season had i guess you could say more nuanced positions. jeb bush was talking about not a path to citizenship but legal status, kasich was saying it's impossible to deport 11 million people. >> people listening to that sort of knew what jeb bush and marco rubio were basically saying. they were basically saying these people are going to stay. we have to live in the real world. these people are going to stay. what a lot of people loved about donald trump was that he was willing to say that in a very sort of strong, tough way, these people are going to go. >> humanely, deportation force but hethey got to go, ana, is there a change or to you is it the same policy? >> i think it's an
embarrassment, frankly. he has been running a campaign for 15 months and guess what? the emperor had no clothes and the candidate had no policy. we have seen for the last ten days the very public plucking of daisy petals by donald trump. should i deport them, should i not, should i deport them, should i not. i think he's being consulted to death. somebody probably told him you have got a problem, people think you are a racist, they think you are going to deport, round up 11 million people who are part of families and send them back. you need to work on that. i think he tried, he found as i told you last week, i thought he was testing the temperature. he found that it was stone freezing cold. that water was freezing. if he went in there, he was going to suffer shrinkage. of course i'm talking about his followers. >> okay. does he risk -- it does seem like there was this backlash, even at the talk of the softening, that he's not
emphasizing deportation force, he's not automatically saying they got to go, the good ones can come back. >> i think when you have two candidates who are the principal candidates in their party for president of the united states, you have a clear dichotomy on their positions right now. donald trump said he will deal with people humanely. hillary clinton said executive amnesty right off the bat, wants to deal every illegal that's here the opportunity to become a citizen or path to citizen. that's not what donald trump said. he has been very clear from the beginning if you are here illegally there is no path to citizenship. very different than the clinton campaign. >> what he's trying to do, too, he's thinking about ohio, pennsylvania, arizona. a few of those sort of swing states that he's really trying to get the votes of undecided voters who have felt for awhile that his rhetoric and sort of the aggressiveness of his policy ideas weren't humane, weren't fair, that they sort of went beyond where they were comfortable with. the big test here is whether mr. trump was right back in the spring, whether or not he was right when he said i could go to
fifth avenue and shoot someone and my followers wouldn't abandon me. whether he can move toward what ultimately is a more flexible sort of softer position and people accept that. >> on this speech on wednesday which -- >> i frankly -- >> go ahead. >> i think it's a little too little, a little too late. he has based his campaign on this. what he found last week was he was not getting by with people like rush limbaugh. limbaugh was bursting into fits of laughter. ann coulter was twisting into pretzel shapes to try to justify what he was doing, make sense of it. here's the problem. i actually think he's doing the right thing by doubling down on his position from a political perspective. because he's not going to change people's minds. this is not about policy. people don't like donald trump and don't think that he's a racist, those of us who do, because of his policies.
i can have a lot of disagreements with folks on immigration policy or any sort of policy. it's because of him. the problem donald trump has is not his immigration policy or lack thereof. the problem donald trump has is his lack of human empathy, his lack of emotional band width that he responds to the death of an african-american woman, nykea aldridge, the cousin of dwyane wade and the mother of 24 children, by tweeting out i told you so, vote for trump. that is a lack of empathy that i think is shocking to so many of us that no matter what he reads off a teleprompter as policy, it is too late to change our minds. >> briefly, do you think wednesday, he's going to be incredibly specific or it does seem like there are going to be -- maybe i'm wrong, but at least lately, they are trying to be specific on the front end, on border security, go after criminals, and years from now we will figure out, we will find out how many illegal immigrants
there are here and figure out what to do with them down the road. >> i think the one thing we have learned is that unless you hear it from donald trump directly, we don't know what the policy is. i don't want to get out in front of that. what i do think is he will lay out very specifically what that wall looks like, how long that wall's going to be. he talked about it many times. you don't need to cross the entire border because of the natural contours of the land. he will get into those details. this is not any major deviation from what he said in the past. >> thank you all very much. much more ahead, including political case that donald trump is trying to make to african-americans during the deadliest month for shootings and killings in chicago in decades. we will hear from chicago moms who lost kids to violence and find out if trump's message is resonating with them. also, the nfl quarterback who says he will not stand up during the national anthem because the american flag represents a country that oppresses black people. we hear from director spike lee on that controversy. men. 80% try to eat healthy, yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's gummies.
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the tweet from the trump pastor, surrogate pastor, i should say, mark burns. within the last hour, pastor burns has apologized to people who are offended. take a look. >> pastor mark here. for everyone that's commented on i want to discuss and talk about my tweet earlier today as i contemplate, first of all i just want to say to the people that was offended. obviously many people were offended by my tweet and it was not at all my intention to offer -- to not offend anyone. >> he was on periscope. that sound was people sending him messages while he was talking. this comes as donald trump is
publicly asking african-americans for his vote and taking heat for it, including his comments on the killing in chicago of dwyane wade's cousin which did not include a message of condolence. the raw facts are terrible enough. that killing was one of 84 so far this month. we took the program to chicago back in november and talked to many people who have lost so much, including three moms who have had to do what no parent should ever have to do, bury a murdered child. >> april 4th, 2006. nine years for me and the pain has not went away. it's frustrating because his case is unsolved and i see so many children being shot every single day. in chicago, 70% of our cases are not solved. i feel like they don't value our children's lives. nobody cares. it's not a national conversation. we don't want just conversation. we want action. >> i lost my son spencer august 2nd of this year. he was my only child. he was a good child, responsible young man, responsible and it's a struggle every day for me. >> that was in november.
now that chicago has become part of the presidential campaign, especially with donald trump's statements to the african-american community we thought it would be worthwhile to speak with those three women. randi kaye reports. >> reporter: do any of you trust what donald trump is telling you? >> no. >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> no. >> reporter: donald trump's message to african-americans is lost on these women. three mothers from chicago who each lost a son to gun violence. >> this is not a reality show. this is real life. this is our everyday lives. our innocent children doing the right things gunned down in a city that they love so much. you know, it's not a joke to us. >> reporter: certainly not to annette holt, who has met with hillary clinton on the violence plaguing her community. >> donald trump paints himself as this law and order candidate. is he the guy who is going to rescue these communities that are struggling? >> i would think he doesn't even know what our communities are going through. >> reporter: still, that hasn't stopped trump from making his pitch, asking for the vote of
every single african-american. listen to what he said at a recent rally. >> what the hell do you have to lose? >> reporter: do you feel that you have nothing to lose? >> i feel like donald trump is disvaluing our community. he has not come here. he's been running for 14 months. donald trump has not been to the south side of chicago. he hasn't been here. how can you talk about us when you haven't talked to us? >> reporter: trump talks about poverty in the black community. bad schools and youth unemployment. but these women say that isn't the whole story. pam's son was in college when he was killed. shot as he left choir practice. annette's son was a 16-year-old honor student killed on his school bus. danielle's son was in his second year of college and working two jobs when he was shot dead leaving a party. >> the pain that you get from losing a loved one never goes away. it's going to always be there forever. it's just heartbreaking. it's heartbreaking and sad to see this continues to happen each and every day. >> reporter: trump says he can
fix it and knows a guy inside chicago p.d. with a plan. though chicago police have denied this. when you hear someone like donald trump say he talked to a top cop in the chicago police who knows how to fix it in a week, he didn't exactly share what that plan was or even if he knows the plan but do you buy that? >> no. he's wrong. >> no. >> if he knew how to fix it, why is he talking about it? do it. >> reporter: do you think donald trump has a point at all given that the democrats in leadership here have not been able to fix it? >> he don't have a point. he don't have a clue. it's hard enough to lose your child but for somebody to take it lightly and make it like a political agenda now that he sees that maybe it might work to help advance him, it's ridiculous. it really is. where was your heart before this? >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, chicago. >> back with the panel members. scottie, do you think donald trump can make inroads with, clearly not with those moms but with other moms out there, other african-americans?
>> i think we can all agree we have a problem here. i might not necessarily have the same experience they had or their children had growing up in that type of community but i am a mother. my heart goes out for them. when you hear those stories, how do you not want to find a solution? right now, under president obama we have seen a rise in gun violence in these inner city urban areas. we have seen gang membership on the rise. at the same time, poverty is also on the rise. we have got find some sort of solution and donald trump has said i have got one. it's called jobs. it's called hope. it's called sitting there in community choice and school choice. >> nationwide, crime -- >> nationwide, yes. >> -- it's gone down. >> so has gun ownership gone up. it's 44 cities where crime is going up as well as gang violence. there's an issue that needs to be addressed by those communities and they need to be supported whether it's through law enforcement or education. >> angela? >> so a couple things. one is, gun violence specifically, the overall crime
rate has been on a steady decline since the 1980s. but i think that it's really important to watch the words that we use. when we say those communities, those people, who are we talking about? we heard from three mothers who find donald trump's rhetoric and the death of kids, for example, dwyane wade's cousin just this weekend, being used as a political football is exactly the reason why you saw the creation of something like black lives matter. while black lives matter was getting started talking about the value of black lives and the importance of recognizing that there has been disparate treatment and seeing how black lives are valued or handled, donald trump was busy calling people who look like me thugs, blaming the victim in these instances of gun violence and police brutality. that is deeply troubling to me and not only to me, i'm sure to several -- i'm not going to speak for all african-americans but several other african-americans. >> do you believe he can make
inroads, though, by the language he's using now, even going to an african-american church which we are told he's going to be doing in a couple days? >> several things. several things that donald trump can do and one of them is to hire people who have credibility with communities of color. he has hired a number of people to do black outreach who most these folks have never seen in roles other than reality show or christian news networks that we haven't really ever heard of. that's the first thing. i think the second thing that's important to note is that you can't talk about communities in a way that is frankly enraging. if you are saying you can't walk down the street, black people, without getting shot, i'm like oh, my goodness, thank god i'm still here today. >> do you acknowledge some of that knowledge is infuriating? >> first let me stick up for those that mr. trump has hired. i have a lot of respect for people like darrell scott, pastor scott, who has one of the largest christian congregations within cleveland, ohio.
does amazing work. even pastor mark burns even though we are having this little controversy right now does an amazing job. and others. there are a lot of great people he's including, including the person he hired from the very beginning. i really don't think we need to sit there and personally attack -- >> katrina pearson has done a good job making headlines for herself. >> i agree. but saying they don't have credibility or he's not hiring competent people, he's -- they are actually volunteering to be part of his campaign. i do believe what has hillary clinton done to say that she's going to solve this problem? she's not presented and more importantly, what has president obama done in eight years that's allowed this to continue to escalate? he's not put anything. if you want more of the same vote for hillary clinton. if you actually want to try something different, try to change and save your communities, donald trump. >> thank you both. appreciate it. coming up, nfl quarterback colin kaepernick refuses to stand during the national anthem at a preseason game. he says he won't stand to show pride in flag for a country he believes oppresses people of color. the latest from director spike
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stirring up preseason controversy by refusing to stand during the national anthem. colin kaepernick says he won't show pride in the flag for a country that quote, oppresses black people and people of color. sara sidner joins us with more. has he said whether or not he will continue to protest like this? >> reporter: colin kaepernick said he knew he would face a backlash for not standing for the national anthem but says he will continue to do so until as he puts it america stops oppressing people of color. he says he's seen it in person when police pulled guns on him and his college roommate when he was in school. >> i have experienced this. people close to me have experienced this. this isn't something that's a one-off case here, one-off case there. this has become habitual. it's become a habit. it's something that needs to be addressed. >> reporter: the reaction to him was swift, varied and emotional. some 49ers fans burned his jersey and put it on social media, telling him to leave the
nfl and the usa. there was also support online as well with people saying that look, protesting is part of the american fabric, too, and he should be allowed to do so. >> while controversial, it certainly isn't the first time we have seen these kind of protests particularly with athletes. >> reporter: you are absolutely right. black athletes have been protesting for decades and you will remember the time in 1968, everyone knows this iconic picture when you had these two gentlemen stand up on the podium, put their hand in the air. that salute they said actually was for human rights but they were roundly criticized, kicked out of the olympics when that happened. then of course you had muhammad ali who said he did not want to be drafted and also converted to becoming a muslim. people have now cheered those decisions many many years later but history will tell us what they think of these athletes who have come out and protested in this day. >> sara, thanks. i talked to director spike lee about this when we spoke earlier today.
so what do you make of colin kaepernick not standing up? >> i support him. i find it so interesting how people want to pick and choose what rights people have. any time you talk about antigun violence, people run around screaming about they don't want their second amendment rights to be infringed upon. the same way john, carlos, tommy smith raised their black glove fists at the '68 olympics in mexico, the same way muhammad ali refused to fight for a war that was crazy. >> the vietnam war. >> yes. the vietnam war. these are rights americans have. >> you see what he is doing, colin kaepernick is doing as in that tradition? >> yes. it's in the tradition of black athletes standing up, using their platform saying i'm not
happy with the way black people, people of color are being tro treated. >> it's so interesting because often at the time when an athlete does it they are vilified. >> the biggest revision story ever, ali at one time was the most hated person, people need to google, do research, ali was the most hated person in america. >> he couldn't box in america. >> him lighting up the torch, his arm was shaking in the olympics in atlanta. but not the defiant. he said no viet cong, i'm not going to say the "n" word. i think it's in the same tradition. i find it very interesting that
three members of big blue, the new york football giants, two pre presently playing and one retired, three of those brothers, they should understand what tradition, the history of why colin did this. now, i bet you went to all three of them, they would say they loved muhammad ali. how could you love him and not love him for the stance he took not to be inducted into the vietnam war. if you say yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. >> ali said if i kept my mouth shut just because i can make millions, then this ain't doing nothing so i just love the freedom and the flesh and blood of my people more so than i do the money. and jackie robinson said i cannot stand and sing the
anthem, i cannot salute the flag, i know that i'm a black man in a white world. that was jackie robinson in 1972 in his autobiography. >> this is the tradition. what colin is doing now is not popping out of nowhere. there's tradition, tradition of african-american athletes standing up and using their platform to say something is wrong. >> you think he's going to pay a price for it? >> they all do. ali, three years of his prime. john carlos, tommy smith, of course. but these brothers do this knowing that there will be ramifications and they don't care because this is their belief. another thing i have to say. they always bring up oh, you're making a lot of money so the reason, because you make money, that means that you can't have a moral foundation and speak -- like here's the thing. black athletes, we pay you
money, play ball, shut up, don't say nothing, we're giving you money, million dollars, just to go out there, run up and down the gridiron, run up and down the court and just be quiet and play. >> there have been a lot of athletes who don't want to risk their endorsement deals, things like that. >> i understand that. it's all individual choice. but when someone has the courage to step out knowing they could lose all that, why you going to jump on the brother? >> do you stand up during the national anthem? >> yes. but it's a personal choice. that is not -- me standing up for the national anthem does not affect me doing malcolm x or "do the right thing." all the other documentaries. that has nothing to do with it for me. i stand up. but i'm not going to -- >> you also stand up for his right not to. >> yes. >> spike lee, thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate it.
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hard to believe we are saying this sentence yet again. former congressman anthony weiner has been caught in yet another sexting scandal. his wife, huma abedin, says she's had enough. miguel marquez has details. >> reporter: anthony weiner caught in yet another sexting scandal. the disgraced former congressman, husband to long-time and powerful hillary clinton adviser, huma abedin, humiliated once again. this time, on the front page of "the new york post." this time it's not just a lurid photo of weiner on the front page. the selfie he sent to a woman not his wife shows him in his underwear, this time with his child beside him. the "post" reporting the picture was sent by 40 something divorcee out west in the midst of a sexual conversation with the caption "someone just climbed into my bed." according to the "post" weiner and the woman exchanged messages going back to january of last year. for some, the story about the
husband of the current vice chair of hillary clinton's presidential campaign and previously her deputy chief of staff at the state department is a potential question of national security. for others, just a cheap tabloid story. but for wife huma abedin, it is apparently the last straw. in a statement abedin said i have made the decision to separate from my husband. anthony and i remain devoted to doing what is best for our son, who is the light of our life. she also asks for privacy. anthony weiner resigned from congress in 2011 after accidentally tweeting to the entire world a sexually explicit photo intended to be a direct message to a 21-year-old woman. after days of denials and mounting pressure to resign, he finally fessed up. >> to be clear the picture was of me and i sent it. >> reporter: in 2013 during a comeback effort as he ran for mayor, weiner was caught for a second time sexting with women under the alias carlos danger.
abedin defended him before the cameras. >> so really what i want to say is i love him, i have forgiven him, i believe in him and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> reporter: but today, separated, their marriage dissolving even before the public announcement, a close friend telling cnn the couple has been separated for months and recently she hadn't even been wearing her wedding ring. this morning after another humiliating round of sexting went public, weiner finally deleted his twitter account. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> joining me with more, cnn's jeff zeleny. the fact he still had a twitter account boggles my mind. you got to feel for huma abedin. this is just horrific for her. do we know how, when did she find out exactly? >> she found out over the weekend, i'm told. actually, anthony weiner was here in the hamptons with huma
abedin and their son jordan. i'm told when she found out about that photograph, when she saw that photograph, she was furious and sickened. those are two words used by friends of hers. she has known that he has been sexting over the years, of course. she's been busy with the presidential campaign but did not believe that he was doing this. so he left. she was off the campaign trail today. i cannot recall a day during this campaign, last year and a half or so of this campaign where she has not been at hillary clinton's side. she was not today. she was taking some time to herself. now, i also talked to some other friends of hers. the announcement this morning for the separation seemed kind of quick and sudden. they said actually this has been in the works in some respect but it simply could not sustain it any longer. she simply could not go on any longer here. she did not want this to become a distraction in this campaign. that's of course exactly what he
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minds. but how can you be certain a former extremist is really reformed? that's the question being asked about one of america's top recruiters who now has been hired by a u.s. university to research the ideology he once helped spread. >> reporter: this u.s. citizen was once a radicalized extremist. >> i went to prison for propagandizing on behalf of a terrorist organization. >> reporter: he recruited people to join al qaeda. >> it became a call to go out on to your back porch and just start killing civilians. >> reporter: we couldn't tell you then what we can tell you now. his name is jesse morton. he has a new job, as a research fellow at george washington university center for cyber and homeland security where he will be doing research and writing, but not teaching. so what can you give in your background contribute to this program? >> well, i have a background in radicalizing others. i understand the mentality.
i understand also what attracts people to the ideology. i also understand how to counter that as a result. >> reporter: the hope, that morton can stop others from becoming extremists but can he be trusted? take a look at this story from cnn's drew griffin nearly seven years ago when morton called himself -- >> this is a religious like i said. >> you're commanded to terrorize -- >> the koran says very clearly in the arabic language, this means terrorize them. it's a command from allah. >> reporter: we showed the story to shamus hughes who hired morton to work at george washington. >> the united states, the enemy it really is. >> reporter: is this the man you know now? >> no, that is jesse who he was, not who jesse is now. he is reformed. he's changed. >> reporter: do you trust him? >> yes, i trust him. we did our due diligence, so i used to be at the intelligence
community. i called the prosecuting attorney who worked on this case, talked with the fbi with who he's been talking to the last year. >> reporter: you're an expert in extremists. does he know things you don't? >> it's one thing to read a book. it's another thing to experience it. >> can you understand how someone might see this and say i can't believe george washington would hire this guy? >> i absolutely understand people's concerns. >> we tell you muslims to rise up. >> reporter: is this the same man i'm looking at right now? >> no, that is an ignorant man. that is a man that has been brainwashed. >> reporter: how does it make you feel so see this now? >> regrettable, i want to deter others from adopting that same position. >> reporter: jesse morton was ki born in pennsylvania 37 years ago, a choirboy the at a baptist church. he came from an abusive household and in and out of jail as a young man on drug and other charges. he came into contact with radical islamists and co-founded a group called revolution muslim in 2008. >> jesse morton. >> reporter: and he maintained
those view s while earning a master's degree in international affairs at columbia university in 2009. at revolution muslim, he encouraged others to engage in violent jihad according to the u.s. attorney's office. in 2012, morton was sentenced to 11 years in federal prison for threatening the creators of the tv show, "south park" wife depicted the prophet muhammad in a bear suit. he was released after less than three years. he later cooperated with the fbi on several high-profile cases according to george washington university. >> because a lot of people that i interacted with in law enforcement and i understand it, i was viewed as, like, a demon. >> reporter: he said his deradicalization began when one fbi agent saw him differently. >> i had interaction with a fabulous agent, female agent, that over time it became apparent to me she was a human being. all she cared about was protecting the public. she really was a good family person, she loved her country and she was just -- it wasn't a manipulation as far as i saw it.
so i opened up. i was rehumanized by my interactions i once thought was an enemy. >> reporter: morton hopes the american public will come to forgive him. some people would say, why should we believe this man? he was a voice for hate and a voice for violence. why should we believe him that he's changed? >> i'll just have to prove myself and deal with the questions that come as i go. just i have an enormous amount of guilt and regret. this is an opportunity for me to make amends to some degree. >> reporter: have you forgiven yourself? >> i think, yes, i have seen things that people have done and to know that i once sort of sympathized and supported that view, it sickens me. >> elizabeth joins us. it's fascinating. i remember broadcasting those stories by drew griffin. those guys were working in new york on a street corner. how does he explain, though, this, you know, what seems to be
a 180-degree turn that he's made? it's just this fbi agent who sort of reached out to him? >> you know, that's part of it, anderson. the evolution is so huge. he said it really happened in fae phases. in the beginning he went to morocco as you see him now, convinced of the rightfulness of this hate and violence. it morocco he met young secular muslims, they were smart and he started to like them. that changed his ideology. he went to prison. he was in solitary confinele mc for months. then he was allowed to go to the library, he said that also led to changes and meeting that fbi agent, he thought of her as the enemy then when he saw she wasn't, she was a good person, that made him question his beliefs. more breaking news, the talented gene wilder has sadly died. we remember him, his work and life next. ♪ it's peyton on sunday mornings. ♪
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with the wi "willy wonka and the chocolate factory. >> you get nothing. you lose. good day, sir. >> you're a crook. you're a cheat and a swindler. that's what you are. how could you do a thing like this, build up a little boy's hopes and then smash all his dreams to pieces? you're an inhuman monster. >> i said, good day. >> come on, charlie. let's get out of here. if it's the last thing i ever do. if he wants a gobstopper, he'll get one.
>> mr. wonka? >> so shines a good deed in a wary world indeed. >> made much better because of gene wilder. if you haven't seen "willy wonka" or "blazing saddles" or "the producers" i urge you to rent it. he was truly extraordinary. he was 83 years old. thanks for watching. time for "cnn tonight" with don lemon. say adios, carlos danger. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. anthony weiner caught in another sexting scandal. now hillary clinton's right-hand woman huma abedin separating from her husband and donald trump saying this, "huma