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his role in "willie wonka and the chocolate factory." ♪ there is no life i know to compare with your imagination ♪ ♪ living there, you'll be pleased if you truly wish to be ♪ good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin at the intersection of the personal and political. it's a place where public figures and pain should be held in the deeply private. it's a place where former congressman anthony weiner has been plenty of times before, a
place he's dragged his wife huma abedin again and again. who can forget the first time when he went before the cameras as he confessed to sending explicit text messages to other women. this time, the third time, was too much. not only could she not stand beside him, she says she cannot stand to be married next to him. now their problems have been drawn into the political arena. miguel marquez joins us now. so this is the third time -- it's unbelievable that anthony weiner has sent explicit messages to another woman. what do we know about the latest exchange? >> reporter: this is only in "the new york post" and this was a relationship they say started in january 2015 until recently, saying that the -- he met her on twitter, had this exchange with her over all this time. put on their front page, though, that is what gives it the ick
factor, saying at one point during a racy conversation late at night, he says someone just climbed into his bed, sends her the picture of himself clad only in his underwear with his sleeping child right next to him, and the rest, as i say, is history. >> one of the things anthony weiner always said about the people the had these texting relationships with, he never actually met them. there was no physical contact. do we know how they started talking or if, in this case, they ever met? >> clearly this is another case of his social media achilles heel. it was twitter where he met this woman at one point. >> i'm not sure his heel is the problem, but go ahead. >> reporter: among other body parts. they started exchanging direct messages. at one point in the article in "the new york post," he says oopse, i thought i sent that publicly, harkening back to 2011 when he thought he was sending a direct message to a 21-year-old message, he ended up sending a
very sexually explicit message to the entire world over twitter. anthony weiner has cleated, again, his twitter account. >> later today, huma abedin announced her separation. what did she say specifically? >> she released a statement saying that she has decided, along with anthony weiner, to separate. from her husband. she said they remain devoted doing what is best for our son who is the light of our life. i ask for respect for our privacy. clearly a deeply humiliating situation that has risen to presidential political levels now. >> miguel, thanks. jeff zeleny has more on the impact this is having on huma abedin. do we know when she actually found out about all this or how she found out? >> reporter: anderson, i'm told she learned about this over the weekend.
here in the hamptons where she was with anthony weiner and their son, jordan. they were spending a bit of time here, respite during this busy campaign season. hillary clinton, of course, is out here in the hamptons, raising a lot of money. it was a working trip for them. i'm told she found out about it over the weekend and saw that photograph and when she did, she was furious and sickened, i am told, by two people close to huma abedin and anthony weiner. and he stayed out here for a time and then left, i am told, this morning. she was, of course, knew that he has had these issues, but thought that he would not create this type of a spectacle during the middle of a presidential campaign, but that is, in fact, what he did. now, they had been estranged, i'm told. as it's been described by friends, heading down a path toward possibly separating.
he did not want to be a distraction for this campaign. she knew what that would bring. until this, of course, made it untenable for her and, in fact, he caused that distraction today. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. we said at the top of the program, this has been dragged into the political vortex. donald trump is talking about it, tweeting about it. jim acosta is working that angle, joins us now. trump released a statement linking this to hillary clinton. >> reporter: that's right, anderson. donald trump has had plenty to say about anthony weiner in the past, calling the former congressman a pervert. he released statement trying to connect him to the line of attack that hillary clinton has been careless in her handling of classified information, as in her e-mail scandal. trump says -- hillary clinton was careless and negligent in allowing weiner to have such close proximity to such highly classified information. who knows what he learned and who he told? it is possible that our country, the statement goes on to say, and its security have been
greatly compromised by this. anderson, there is no evidence that anthony weiner, by being married to huma abedin, had any access to any classified information. weiner was in close proximity to his wife. there's no proof he had any access to any intelligence, anderson. another attempt by the trump campaign to talk about hillary clinton's e-mail scandal. they're going to do that every chance they get, even when it comes to talking about anthony weiner. >> jim acosta, thanks for the reporting. want to bring in our panel, former black caucus director, angela rye, cory lewendowski, presidential campaign correspondent patrick healy, trump supporter, scottie knell hughes. and clinton supporter corinne jean per rare, who once worked for congressman weiner in 2007-2008. do you think this will have an impact on the national election? >> for a lot of voters, it sort of brings back ugly memories,
tawdry memories about bill and hillary clinton and some of the choices that hillary clinton made back then. it just sort of the dog days of summer and i think this is what people are going to talk about. but also the shadow that is now yet again on huma abedin. she has been kind of at the center of the discussions and investigation in state department e-mails, involved in some of the back and forth between the clinton family foundation. and also the state department, donors. >> saying the crown prince of bahrain would like to meet with secretary clinton, sort of the go between. >> this aide who is hillary clinton's most loyal, longest serving aide, who has now become a flash point within the campaign. you know, the clinton campaign said that mrs. clinton has only offered support to huma abedin, that they spoke sunday, that huma learned about this and fairly quickly said to anthony,
i'm separating from you. he knew that huma's statement was coming this morning as he left the hamptons and drove back to new york. there's an effort to sort of contain this in hopes that it all kind of washes out with debate prep and dog days but we'll see. >> cory, do you believe it actually does have an impact on the election? do you think voters can a? >> look at the end of the day, voters will vote on hillary clinton or donald trump. what we see right now is that the last five weeks, hillary clinton has thrown everything that she can at donald trump. florida, tied in ohio. very competitive in pennsylvania. so that's what the voters are looking at. moreover, huma abedin -- pat is exactly right at this she has been at the center of attention at state department pay to play scandal, clinton foundation. it wasn't just the crowned prince but multiple people who said i would like to be seated at the vice president's table for dinner. guess what happened?
seated at the vice president's table. i'm the head of the rockefeller foundation and give the clinton foundation between $10 and $25 million. she clearly has the secretary's ear, clearly a distraction and this does not help the clinton campaign at all. >> angela? >> a couple of things. one is like my stomach is like literally in knots right now, patrick, from what you said and also, cory, to your point. i reject the idea of blaming any spouse for the infidelity of another spouse, for the bad judgment of a spouse. to tie huma to what bill clinton did and his infidelity in the '80s and '90s and arguably before is just unfortunate. huma is a brilliant woman who is secretary clinton's right hand for a reason. i completely understand what you're saying about the e-mails. but i think that has nothing to do with the very, very poor judgment of anthony weiner. it is so unfortunate. i can't imagine what she's going through personally. i just would like to see us, even when it's a political panel, remember that we're
talking about human beings. somebody's child is involved in this. and this doesn't have anything to do with how well she is serving hillary clinton on the campaign. i just think it's unfortunate to, frankly, blame the victim. >> i think part of what's coming up, though, is we're four weeks away now from a debate where donald trump has said if hillary clinton starts coming after his character, he's going to do everything possible to remind people about choices and decisions that bill and hillary clinton made in terms of their own marriage and their own personal life. and i think you know, as well as i do, this is not what hillary clinton's campaign wants to talk about. it's not about -- >> absolutely. >> it's not about blaming this spouse or that spouse or holding huma abedin accountable for anthony's behavior. she is not only incredibly smart but also does a great deal for hillary clinton. i mean, i think the issue is, what does the campaign want to be talking about, and it's not this. and the reality is -- >> no question. >> -- a lot of real people, for
whatever reason, had a lot to think about during that time. >> back to -- any time either campaign is talking about issues like this or a story like this, it takes them off their message. hillary clinton's campaign would rather the focus be on donald trump seemingly unclear or changing or not changing what his immigration policy is. that's the story i think they would rather this rather be. >> or even last week, steve bannon bringing up an issue 20 years ago with divorce. karma comes back and bites you. we're looking at the families and relationships of some of our staffers. the security issue is that huma abedin has been around hillary clinton since '96. she was hired as an intern. she is one of her closest confida confidants. anthony weiner has a problem besides just being a dog. he absolutely has a weakness. and we don't know necessarily what sort of things could he ever be taken advantage of in
the future. we don't necessarily have any evidence of that in the past. if he was allowed to be close to her in the future, could that weakness be taken advantage of in a security clearance that huma abedin obviously would have if hillary clinton is president of the united states. >> is there any truth to a concern about a security clearance? >> no. there is no truth to this at all. there's no evidence to this being connected to the campaign or anything confidential at all that was connected to, you know, what she was doing at the state department at all. once again, this is conspiracy theory, long list of conspiracy theory that donald trump likes to pedal out. there's no basis for this, no truth at all, as we just heard from the report on this. and so i think, look, this is a personal issue. this is a personal issue. i feel for huma abedin. i have a toddler myself. being in that situation has to be daunting and disappointing. so at the end of the day it's very sad. we should move on. this is part of the conspiracy theory. >> move on after last week we were debating steve bannon's personal life from 20 years ago
that his wife even came back and said it's not a big deal. i think it's interesting that we now -- >> one at a time. let her finish. >> steve -- i think they both serve the same roles. strongest confidants right now. if you're going to bring up steve bannon's past, then we have to bring up -- >> the difference is he is the ceo of the trump campaign. he is running things. >> you don't think that she -- >> not only that, it's -- i mean, that's like apples and oranges. i mean, steve bannon was -- he was running a blog, an alt-right blog that is the dumpster file for misogyny, for bigotry, for racism. >> this is a massive distraction for the clinton campaign. talked about how great their poll numbers have been out of a successful convention for them. this race is much closer than they ever anticipated. donald trump is going on tv in
nine priority states where the campaign is going to focus and the clintons are very afraid. this is not what they want to be talking about today. >> let me ask you about a tweet. he said i think that both candidates, crooked hillary and myself should release detailed medical records. i have no problem doing so. hillary? does it surprise you he's focusing on clinton's health? it's obviously he made reference to, saying that she doesn't have the stamina? rudy giuliani said go online and look at pictures of her. she has a problem. but is it wise for him to focus on this issue rather than immigration? why now? >> you're talking about the fitness of the next president of the united states. he is willing to put his record up. i know mr. trump very well. i travelled with him 18 months. he's an absolute machine. he bangs in 18-hour days like you go get a glass of water. it's amazing what he has been able to accomplish and his level of success in the business world and now at the presidential level. >> he is doing this after time -- we have been reporting on his kind of odd doctor's note which turns out was written in a matter of minutes. >> what's the hesitation on the
clinton campaign? donald trump saying i'm willing to put out all my medical records. are you willing to do the same? if there is a medical condition -- not saying there is -- but those medical record will indicate that. we'll have a better understanding of what those coke bottle glasses were for. >> that's a little unfair. hillary clinton has put out much more information. >> we're asking for all the records. >> than what donald trump has. it galls her, this idea that she needs to be called on the carpet by donald trump, who has put out a four-paragraph statement to say i need -- she needs to be, you know, putting out more disclosure. anderson, the health issue for mr. trump and also the word bigot from mr. trump it's all about sort of taking attention off the immigration. that's really been a problem. and the degree to which he can focus the base on these talking points has payoff. >> quick note on the state polling cory just mentioned. polling averages in pennsylvania, florida ohio, secretary clinton up by 2.7 points in florida, plus eight in pennsylvania, mrs. clinton up
nearly four in ohio. more to talk about in the next two hours, trump surrogates. what a lot of people believe is racially incendiary tweet we're just hearing about. chicago's soaring murder rate, donald trump's response to it, his question to african-american voters, what do you have to lose by voting for him. spike lee's take on it all. later, more on huma abedin, her role in the clinton campaign, and her uncomfortable place in the spotlight. and we'll talk to doctors of what could possibly be going on in the mind of anthony weiner to do this yet again. more when we continue. men.
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donald trump asks what do you have to lose, saying to african-americans that they have no jobs or good schools. he has tweeted recently about the tragedy of dwyane wade's cousin being shot and killed over the weekend. now, there's breaking news from one of trump's surrogates, african-american pastor, pastor mark burns, who spoke at the convention, defending a controversial tweet he sent out. here's what he posted, a cartoon of hillary clinton in black face holding an anti-police sign and saying, quote, i ain't no ways tired of pandering to african-americans. mark burns wrote black americans, thank you for your votes and letting me use you again. see you in four years. joining me now, charles blow and trump supporter jeffrey lord. so charles, is this offensive, is this over the line? pastor burns stands by it and says as african-americans, we need to make democrats fight for
our vote and fight for us. we need to make them do what they say they're going to do. >> the last part of this, this idea of having a competition for your vote and if both parties are actually going to compete for it, that's great. this particular tweet, i don't know how you defend that part of it, right. and i think his surrogates are having this problem over and over again, even within the last 24 hours, including donald trump himself. not only did he make the tweet about dwyane wade, but within the last 24 hours, rudy giuliani has taken a swipe at beyonce and basically saying at the vmas -- it's bizarre. she's not even part of this. the women, the mothers of the slain young men she had on the stage, that he had saved more black lives than beyonce, the pastor doing this and trump saying about colin kaepernick that he should find a country where he feels more, you know, at home or better about. >> football player who refused to stand up during the national
anthem. >> i don't understand. if your message -- if you know that you're going to go and speak directly in front of a black audience, i do not understand why you would step on your own message and take shots at the black community. you and your surrogates, leading up to that. i think it defeats what could have come off as a positive. >> jeffrey lord, is this a mistake for the trump campaign for this pastor? >> first of all, anderson, on behalf of charles and myself, i want to say how disappointed we are that we don't get to talk about sex on your show. with all the stuff with anthony weiner. >> well, we have two hours. whoa knows? >> seriously, though, i think what it's about time for -- charles speaks out on these issues very well for a long time from a leftist perspective. i think it is more than past time to have a serious discussion about this in a presidential campaign. that's what donald trump is about.
this is why he's going to be going into black communities. this is why he's addressing these issues. this is why you get the kind of tweet you got today. >> the question is, though, does the way this message was written -- the black face, the imagery, does it step on the larger, important point that donald trump -- >> no. >> no? >> in all candor, it's something that will chew around for a little while and will vanish. larger message is whatever donald trump does or does not say in the course of the campaign to americans who happen to be black, as i describe it. i think it's very much time for republicans to get back to the lincoln legacy here, what i call the lincoln/reagan/jack kemp legacy. to borrow from one of my heroes as a kid, robert kennedy, and say some things are just not acceptable, like this latest murder in chicago, and discuss candidly why. >> charles even on the way donald trump discussed the
killing in chicago of dwyane wade's cousin, i mean, it was, i think, his third tweet where he expresses condolences about it, misspelled dwayne's name in the initial tweet. i'm not going to say does it surprise you, but it does seem -- to you, it seems he continues to step on his message? >> not only step on the message. the message itself is flawed and problematic. there is a distinct width of a white savior syndrome here. the message is an unremittingly bleached did he view of black america and he, the savior, is the only person who can save you, black people, from your misery. because he has offered not -- no kind of redeeming vision of what black culture has brought to america, what it means to be black in america, what the contributions are, you know,
what the positives about culture can be. i think that you do have to balance, when you're trying to reach out to someone, you have to say i appreciate you. and that's why i want you. i don't want you because you have nowhere else to go and you are trapped in a corner and i am your only savior. >> i want to read you the tweet, actually, that you sent out. let's see. where is that? it says what the hell does that have to do with you, bigot, talking about the tweet, are you having a mild stroke? black people hate you. >> yes. >> you think black people -- >> i do. >> -- hate donald -- >> i do. i believe that -- i think it is well grounded because all kind of bigotry, all insensitivities are cousins. once you decide that you are going to make a hierarchy of humanity, however you're going to make it. you're going to say some people are better and some people are less, mexican immigrants, whether they be muslims, whether they be women, people who are handicapped. once you start to make it okay
within you, the character of you says that that is okay, then that means that you make it possible for yourself to make other people less than. i think that black people, more than anybody else in this country, or at least just as much as anyone else in this country, understands the intersectionality of bigotry, hate, and discrimination. and we know that once you have decided you are going to have some bigotry, look down on somebody else, then you can do it to us. and you have done it to us. and i think that black people are very, very weary of this man. that is why he is so low in the polls among black people. >> jeffrey, to you, why is he so low in the polls among black people? >> because i think this stereotype about republicans is out there. let me just say to some degree i agree with charles except, of course, i think that's the problem with the american left. to me, the political formula for the american left from the moment thomas jefferson aligned
himself in forming the democratic party with slave owners all the way up to today with hillary clinton's approach to super predators and all of this kind of thing, is basically a political equation. racism plus progressivism equals political power, equals a win. so they construct these hierarchies and go into these communities and say i can be your savior. you know, i can give you the way out. you've got to depend on me. and i just think that that is wrong. they've been doing it now for 200 some-odd years. there is tim kaine the other day, talking about the ku klux klan. it exists because it was the military arm of the democratic party. all these things have historical roots. >> right. and i know that jeffrey knows enough about history to know that what he is saying is false, right? he knows that the period the last 100 years changed all of that.
you walk into any room 100 years ago, black people that could vote or not, were wedded to the republican party because it was the party of lincoln. and over the course of 100 years, great new book about this called the loneliness of the black republican, about professor at harvard, great new book. explains how this shift happened. it started with the new deal and black people realizing that there was an economic interest and also there was a symbolism, an outreach to black people with eleanor roosevelt and reaching out to black individuals, symbolic things. it marched all the way up through the southern strategy. and when the republican party essentially said to black people, we no longer want you, although you have been with us forever. we want the people who hate you. and that was the major shift from black people being with the democratic party -- republican party moving over to the democratic party. and that was the major shift from the white segregationists moving out of the democratic party and into the republican
party. jeffrey knows that. the fact that jeff would say for the last 200 years and basically skip over that history doesn't do service to journalism. it does a disservice to the viewers here. you know better than to say that, jeffrey. you know that history and you left it out. >> no. charles, i'm not skipping over any of that. first of all, in terms of skipping out, you know, when you went to the democratic party website for their national convention in 2008 when they nominated barack obama, they stopped in 1848 and picked up again in the early 20th century, pretending like they were all for civil rights. i'm not skipping a thing here. what i'm saying is that the political formula of using race to fuel political power is what is done today. if this were not true why does black lives matter even exist? there would be no need for it. why the naacp? why all of these things? as you just said for 100 years, from your point of view, it's been done differently.
why isn't this all vanished? >> i want charles to respond. >> for people who don't want it to vanish. >> i want charles to respond and then we have to go. >> what you're leaving out of that equation is you're assuming that issues around black progress or lack thereof in america has everything to do with political parties and leaving out of that equation the affects of white supremacy, systematic racism. that has no party, right? and so you can't banish that until you -- sorry, i let you finish, jeffrey. you can't banish the problem until you get to the root. what we're doing now is trying to address the leaves on the tree. it is the root of the problem of blacks in america unless you believe in racism, unless you believe there is something fundamentally wrong, deficient about blackness, then you have to believe that there is something wrong with the structures around blackness that have suppressed it.
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by the way, information we just got is that that pastor that sent out that treat of hillary clinton with the black face has now gone online, making an apology. we'll show you that in a few minutes. fifth grader shot in the back, still in the hospital after several operations. his mother says he's still in pain, man shot and killed on a basketball court. young mother, pushing a stroller, shot and killed by stray gunfire. chicago tribune has been telling these sad stories day after day, reports that the city has seen more shootings and homicide victims this year than new york and los angeles combined. filmmaker spike lee has directed a movie about it. as we talked about it before the break, donald trump is taking heat for making a political point about it. his first tweet yesterday caused
an uproar -- dwyane wade's cousin was shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i've been saying. african-americans will vote trump. only later on the third tweet did he tweet condolences. at end of this terrible month, stories so much more than about politics. i spoke more about it with spike lee. >> when you hear about the number of deaths and the number of shootings, everyone is focusing on dwyane wade's cousin. >> right. >> nykiah aldridge. >> this is going to be the most deadly august in 20 years in the history of chicago. 20 years. we're not even done with it. >> what do you think when you hear that? >> my heart is broken. and i think that somebody needs to come in from outside chicago.
and make it a special post, a position, give him some power. i elect general honore. >> russel honore? >> yes. >> did such a good job during katrina. >> if they gave him the power to do what needs to be done, i think the general would make a great, great difference in the city of chicago. >> why is chicago so different than what we're seeing in new york city or other cities? there's generations of gang violence there. >> i think there's a whole bunch of things. >> gangs from other states. >> chicago is the biggest segregated city in america. it's been a gangster town since way back to al capone. you could do 20-part series of all the things coming together. >> chicago, as you said, encredibly segregated. south side of chicago is another world from the downtown chicago. >> i mean, we said this in "chiraq." it's a tale of two cities.
downtown chicago is hopping. south side, west side, it's like you're in a different part of the earth. and it's the same city. >> when you hear politicians talking about it, i mean do -- >> which politicians are you talking about? >> well, i mean -- >> name them. name them. >> donald trump, tweeting out in the wake of this, dwyane wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i've been saying, african-americans will vote for trump. on his third tweet, i think, he expressed condolences. >> and got his name wrong. >> spelled his name wrong. >> look, we can't get caught up on what he is saying. what happens in chicago is way bigger than donald trump who is just trying to capitalize on it. and the third -- to wait for -- he should be giving condolences to the wade family from the
first tweet. to me, that just shows where his heart is. >> when you hear, you know, donald trump says he's reaching out to african-americans, saying what the hell have you got to lose? >> how long have we got in this segment? >> he says your schools are terrible. you get shot in the street. your youth are unemployed, over 50%. you know, what the hell have you got to lose? when you hear that as a black man in america, what do you think? >> i laugh, because i don't think he's a good person. i don't think he has a good heart. and i don't think he cares about anybody but himself. and i think that he -- goes with the lowest common denominator. >> the picture he's painting of black america, painting with a very broad brush what life is like for everybody. >> there goes my black guy out there. i love him. i love him.
my black guy. the one guy they probably paid to be there. look, it's bigger than donald trump. and i think that people -- i believe americans are smarter than to go for this okey doke. it's all oaky doak. we have to be. for him to say that he's the choice for not only black people. i don't even know how he expects to get any hispanic. >> there is a belief that he's not -- he wants to be seen as reaching out to african-americans mainly so that white americans who maybe are on the fence about voting for him will feel, you know, he's reaching out so it's -- >> he can reach all he wants. that's not going to work. so -- in my opinion. and i think that he understands. i think some people around him are saying that if you don't
have the african-american vote, if you don't have the hispanic, latino vote, if you don't have the women vote, how are you going to win? the numbers just don't add up. >> you were a bernie supporter. are you one of the bernie supporters who are never hillary clinton or have you come around to clinton? >> slowly. >> slowly? >> but, look, i'm not even -- i take that back. i think that in no way, shape or form can donald trump have the nuclear code numbers. for me, that's number one. >> that's what it boils down to? >> had a benefit for obama at our house, and i saw the thing. >> you saw the guy with the football? >> that was one of the most scariest moments in my life. >> that made it real? >> i mean, you hear about it. >> right.
>> when you see that bad boy, anderson, it's like oh, god. and if he ever had those nuclear codes, and no matter where you move to -- we're talking about the entire planet. >> spike lee. spike, thanks. >> thank you. >> spike should have come back in the 9:00 hour, get his take on the quarterback refusing to stand up during the national anthem. saying the united states suppresses black people and people of color. coming up next, anthony weiner and a three-letter question, why. talk to a psychologist about what could possibly be going on in his head. that's next.
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former new york congressman anthony weiner already paid dearly for sending lewd messages to women online. he lost his job, his reputation took a hit. he was caught again two years later while running for mayor, lost that election. now it's happening again. the question, of course, is why? why is he doing this? joining us now is psychologist wendy walsh, thanks for being with us, wendy. this is the third time he has been caught in a very public way.
is it possible that he's unable to stop himself? why would they do this when they know the stakes involved? and they've been caught multiple times before? >> it certainly seems he's unable to stop himself. it's a compulsive behavior. we would kind of call it a hyper sexual behavior. for whatever reason the rewards that he's getting and whether these rewards have to do -- or the needing and seeking of these rewards have to do with a chemical imbalance of his brain or psychological disorder, we don't know. obviously, those rewards are greater than the punishments that he has been receiving. >> it's so interesting. for all we know, he's not meeting up with these people. he's not actually having an actual relationship or any sort of physical contact with them. but, as you say, there's got to be some reward in it for him psychologically. >> yes. i think online relationships can be equally gratifying, believe it or not, as real-life, physical relationships.
they bring the same kind of pleasure centers, or ignite the same pleasure centers like dopamine, serotonin come into effect. it's the same reason that people get addicted to their e-mails for benign e-mails, because sometimes we get excited about a raise from our boss and it gives us the dopamine. so in a way he's been rewarded for this. and the consequences seem to not matter. >> the fact that freaks people out so much and understandably, is that he sent and took a picture of a sexual nature with his child next to him. >> yeah. >> it's just what -- again, leave your kid out of it. i mean, it makes no sense to me. >> i think this was the thing where he crossed the line with his wife. i was actually surprised because there's some research to show that when men do a lot of child care and carry babies and
they're cuddling with babies, testosterone goes down. to comingle fatherhood and sexuality shocked a lot of people. i worry for the child, of course, being depicted in that way. so, yeah, that was the line that got crossed that finally made huma say, i'm done. >> does risk -- does the risk involved in all of this heighten the experience for people who do this? the possibility of getting caught, the possibility of the stakes involved? >> absolutely, dr. cooper. yes. the risk taking heightens the reward system. you know, most people with so-called -- i'll say this carefully -- sex addiction. it's not in the dsm v at all. it's often co-morbid with another psychological disorder, depression. maybe this is a way to alleviate depression for him, narcissistic personality disorder. consequences don't matter because there's only one person in his world. compulsive sexual behavior is often co-morbid with other kinds of addiction.
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i think this is a very personal thing she's having to live out in a very public way, and i wouldn't wish this on anybody. >> reporter: weiner's sexting scandals go back five years, when breitbart news first published a racy photo of his underwear. he first said he was hacked, then admitted he lied. then resigned from congress. two years later, while weiner was running for new york mayor, more explicit messages from him were revealed. he had used the pseudonym carlos danger. from abedin, an extraordinary show of support. >> i love him. i have forgiven him. i believe in him. and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. >> reporter: around that time a documentary on weiner's campaign was produced. at one point in the film, abedin clearly looks agitated as weiner apologizes to his staff. >> the level of guilt and pain that i feel, i'm very sorry i put everyone in this position. >> reporter: a campaign aide complains she's being harassed by the media. abedin forcefully coaches her on optics.
seemingly a signature response from huma abedin, tidying up with an obsession for detail, no matter how damaging the crisis. abedin has been doing that kind of work for hillary clinton since 1996. she was then a student at george washington university who applied for a white house internship. abedin worked for clinton in the senate. she was known as the body woman when she was clinton's traveling chief of staff at the state department. various accounts say hillary clinton considers abedin a second daughter. bill clinton officiated at her wedding to weiner. recently, e-mails obtained by the conservative group judicial watch showed abedin was often approached by clinton foundation staffers for donors' access to hillary clinton while she was secretary of state. the e-mails show abedin seemed to facilitate at least one meeting. the clinton campaign denies wrongdoing but after 20 years by her side, has huma abedin become a liability for hillary clinton? >> huma is a great asset for hillary clinton, for everyone in the campaign because she's brilliant, dedicated and very
loyal. >> reporter: one former campaign aide says clinton wouldn't get rid of abedin any sooner than she would get rid of chelsea. abedin isn't saying anything tonight other than she and weiner are focused on doing what's best for their son. cnn reached out to anthony weiner for comment and haven't heard back. much more ahead in our next hour including breaking news from the trump campaign. donald trump set a time and place to set out the details in the immigration policy which has shifted it seems repeatedly over the past week. wednesday in phoenix, we are told. how much clarity can we expect to get? that's ahead. she spent summer binge-watching. soon, she'll be binge-studying. get back to great. this week 50% off all backpacks. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.
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