tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN August 31, 2016 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
it's hard to know what to do. this immigration debate, you can choose one side or the other. >> we have more going on on cnn. we're here all night. i appreciate all of you for being here. all of you of course as well. this is "the lead" starting right now with jake tapper. this is cnn breaking news. hello and welcome to "the lead." we're starting with breaking news, a very surprising turn of events in the presidential race. on the same day that donald trump is set to lay out and attempt to clarify lingering questions and concerns about his stance on immigration, specifically whether he will continue to push for deportation force to remove 11 million undocumented immigrants from the u.s., mr. trump, this same day, is currently visiting mexico meeting with the country's president enrique pena nieto.
>> when mexico sinds their people, they're not sending their best. they're sending people with lots of problems and they're bringing problems with them. they're bringing drugs, crime, rapist, and some, i assume are good people. >> jim acosta is traveling with the trump campaign. mexico's president compared trump's rhetoric to that of hitler and moussalini. >> this is not going to be a love fest between donald trump and the president. they are behind closed doors right now. we're waiting for them to walk out and have a joint press event. we are getting conflicting signals from both sides if there
will be questions taken at all. when donald trump is in the room, anything is possible. it is possible he could take questions. just to show you around the world. you see behind the two podiums where they will stand, there is only one flag, and that is the flag of the republic of mexico. there is no u.s. government flag. obviously this is not a presidential trip. it is being carried out by the man that wants to be president of the united states. you just went over very well some of the problems that exist between donald trump and this country. it is the entire country he has a problem with. he referred to mexico ascending people who are rapists, criminals, and drug dealers. he said he wants to build a wall on the u.s. and mexico border. the president had choice words for that that we can't use on live television and so on.
and much of what donald trump is saying behind closed doors right now is essentially what he will say tonight as his speech in phoenix. he is laying out what his immigration proposals are. donald trump is no longer talking about a mass deportation force. he will be focuses and prioritizing on removing the criminal undocumented who exist in the united states and get to the others later. he is very serious, campaign officials say, about building the wall on the u.s. and mexico borner. as impractical and unfeasible as that sounds, and the other thing that we should point out, jake, is that they're trying to draw a contrast between hillary clinton and donald trump. they point out that this invitation from pena nieto went to both candidates, and that
despite the checkered history, he is here to feel the heat from these mexican officials to feel the heat from the president of mexico, and one final thing we should point out, that enrique pena nieto is not the most popular political figure here in mexico either. if he is breuistling and cold posture, that will communicate to the people that he has a problem with what donald trump has said. we're hearing an announcement here, i think we're getting close, back to you, jake. >> okay, jim acosta, before we leave you, jim, i want to ask you a quick question. and that is tell us more about the back and forth with fox. because he was very critical of mr. chump's visit earlier today on cnn's new day.
mr. trump saw that, responded in a tweet, said that fox had invited him to mexico as well, and then fox issues something of a fact check on that, tell us about that. >> that's right, jake. basically what happened is that, fox asked if donald trump was coming down here to help his own low poll numbers. obviously donald trump has work to do when it comes to the middle class suburban voters -- i'm being asked to sit down by mexican officials, but keep in mind donald trump put out a tweet that said fox, who he tangled with plenty on the campaign trail, also invited me, he apologized for using the f bomb, and then said i invited you to come and apologize.
mexico is not yours to play with. we'll see if that apology comes from trump when he comes out here. >> when they come out on the podium there, we will bring it to you live. as we wait for them, let's talk about the potential outcome of his mexican get away today. let's talk to laney davis, and kirstin powers, and republican strategy anna novaro. is this train gamble for the republican nominee, and sarah huckabee sanders, let's start with you and i apologize ahead of time if i have to interrupt because they come out. it is unusual he is doing this
trip to mexico the same day he is coming out about his immigration policy. >> he is willing to put political rhetoric and spin aside and sit down with the lidder of another big country to find common ground and solutions. he wants to sit down and open up that conversation. donald trump is not at all going to back down from putting america first, but he has a great deal of respect for mexico and he wants to show that by going into their country and meeting with their president and talk about the ideas and find common ground to work together for solutions for america and mexico. >> anna novaro, let's bring you in, nevermind, let's go to president pena of mexico, and donald trump, let us open up the microphones and watch what happens.
>> translator: good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we should now hear the message of the united mexican states. >> translator: good afternoon to the media, good afternoon to all of you. next november 8th, the united states people will elect a new president of the united states. i am sure the electoral process will continue being intense debate. all of these characteristics of the grand democratic tradition
of the u.s. hillary clinton as well as mr. donald trump have publicly expressed my respect. it has been with the president and friend barack obama, the next president of north america will find in mexico and it's government a neighbor that wants to work constructively to strengthen even more the relationship among our nations and to confront, together, all of the challenges that we face in common. we, i belief there is great opportunity for both countries if we decide to take advantage of this as good friends, allies, and strategic allies beginning from a relationship based in mutual respect. even though we may not agree on
everything, i trust that together, we will be able to find better prosperity and security without losing sight of security and independence are the most important of everything we value. any close relationship needs to be visits and renewed from time to time. we need to be open to discuss what has worked and what hasn't. how can we improve things on both sides of the border? how can we clear misunderstandings and understand each other better. a few days ago, i sent a letter to both presidential candidates to mrs. hillary clinton and also to mr. donald trump. asking them to have a constructive meeting about the shared future of our countries.
i met today with mr. donald trump. in the near future, i hope to do so with mrs. hillary clinton with whom i have had discussions. we may not agree on certain topics, but his presence here demonstrates that we have a fundamental coincidence. our respective countries are very important, one for the other been the u.s. is important for mexico just as mexico is important for the u.s. we share the most travelled border there which every day, legally more than a million people cross it, and over 400,000 vehicles. commerce between our countries
is over $500 billion a year. we innovate and produce together. as far as national security, the daily cooperation amongst our governments is ever more important to face the challenges of a complex world. so i had what i hope subpoena a very constructive conversation with mr. donald trump. the objective of the meeting was to meet each other and talk about the bilateral issues. i shared my conviction that the free trade of north america has done a lot of good for both the u.s. and mexico. u.s. exports to mexico are close to $200 billion a year. and according to the u.s.
chamber of commerce, more than six million jobs in the u.s. rely on the exports to mexico. our country buys more from the u.s. than germany, spain, france, italy, japan, and the u.k. together. a lot of jobs in the manufacturing industry in the u.s. were not moved to other areas of the world precisely because together we have developed a manufacturing platform competitively in the north american continent. together 40% of the mexican content is made in the u.s. as partners, we need to work together to avoid all of the
jobs leaving our region. however, this doesn't mean that the north america free trade agreement may not be improved to benefit both parts. an agreement signed over 22 years ago, the next president of the u.s. will find in my government, a partner willing to build to modernize telecom so it becomes more effective and to generate more higher quality jobs and better paying jobs in both countries. i don't think that commerce, a zero sum game so one wins and the other loses. on the contrary it must be an effort that generates value to both parts and makes our north
american region the most competitive and innovative in the world. with yards to border issues, i have a very clear vision. the border must transform itself as an asset for our region. we have had great events in the last few years, working very closely with the obama administration. and with the next administration, we must accelerate this effort so that the mexican and united states border is more effective. however, a large number of u.s. citizens chase the border as a real problem. illegal drugs cross the border to the u.s. undocumented immigration from mexico to the u.s. had it's
highest point ten years ago and it has slowed down consistently, even to the point of being negative in a net effect at this point. even so, we can -- we know that it continues to be a shared challenge. including the increasing number of non-mexicans that cross there our country to go to the u.s. which creates a great humanitarian crisis. however, this is a clearly incomplete version if doesn't account the illegal flow coming southbound including weapons and cash. every year, millions of dollars and weapons come in from the north that strengthen the cartels and other criminal organizations that generate violence in mexico. and obtaining gains from the
drug sales in the u.s. this flow must be stopped. what we need is a border that serves the challenges of undocumented people, and illegal drugs and weapon flows as cash all the same. many times both sides of our borders, if the criminal organizations stop receiving all of the weapons and cash that today allow them to pursue their criminal endeavors. illegal weapons, drugs and cash flows in both directions have negative impacts on both sides of the border. our border must be seen as a joint opportunity. both countries must invest more
in it. more infrastructure, more technology, to make it safer and more efficient. i do recognize that the natural right that every country has to protect it's own borders, i also believe that a real corroboration between friends and allies is the best route to attain this. all the while, i expressed this to mr. trump to make a better boarder with mexico. it's of vital important to mexico and the u.s. as far as national security g s goes. every day, the security of both countries are exchanging
information and coordinating actions. in the results of the united states of america, they may continue to count on the integrity of the mexican government. i would like to reiterate which i expressed to you privately. my priority as medical examiner kal president and of my government, is to protect mexicans where ever they may be. that is my responsibility, and i will continue to -- in the united states, the mexican population contributes talent and creativity to development of both mexico and the u.s.
mexican nationals in the united states are honest hard working people. they respect family, they respect life in the community, and they are respective of the law. as such, they deserve everybody's respect. let us continue to work to solidify the relationship between mexico and the united states based on the mutual respect and the common challenge that's we have. my conclusion is that the mexican government will be totally respective of the electoral process of the united states.
i recognize their dialogue, and the route that allows for a better understanding. thank you very much. >> let's listen to the words from the republican candidate, mr. donald trump. >> let us hear the words for the republican candidate for the president of the united states. >> thank you, it is a great honor to be invited by you, mr. president. a great, great honor, thank you. we had a great substantive, constructive exchange of ideas over quite a period of time. i was straightforward in presenting my views about the
impacts of current trade and immigration policies on the united states. as you know, i love the united states very much. and we want to make sure that the people of the united states are very well protected. you equally expressed your feelings and your love for mexico. the united states and mexico share a 2,000 mile border. a half a trillion dollars in annual trade, and one million legal border crossings each and every day. we're united by our support for democracy. a great love for our people, and the contributions of millions of mexican americans to the united states. and i happen to have a tremendous feeling for mexican-americans not only in terms of friendships, but in terms of the tremendous numbers
that i employ in the united states and they are amazing people. amazing people. i have many friends, so many friends, and so many friends coming to mexico and in mexico. i'm proud to say how many people i employ. and the united states, first, second, and third generation mexicans are just beyond reproach. spectacular, spectacular, hard working people. i have such great respect for them, and their strong values of family, faith, and community. we all share a common interest in keeping our hemisphere safe, prosperous, and free. no one wins in either country when human smugglers and drug traffickers prey on innocent people. when cartels commit acts of vie
listens. when illegal weapons and cash flow from the united states into mexico, or when migrants from central america make the dangerous trek, and it is very, very dangerous, into mexico or the united states without legal authorization. i shared my strong view that nafta has been a far greater benefit to mexico than it has been to the united states. and it must be improved upon to ensure that workers, and it's so important, in both countries, benefit from fair and reciprocal trade. i expressed that to the united states and that of the united states, we must take tax to stem this tremendous outflow of jobs from our country.
it is happening every day, and getting worse and worse and worse. we have to stop it. prosperity and happiness in both countries will increase if we work together on the following five shared goals. number one, ending illegal immigration. not just between our two countries, but including the illegal immigration and migration from central and south americans, and from other regions that impact security and finances. in both mexico and the united states. this is a humanitarian disaster. the dangerous treks, the abuse by gangs and cartels, and the extreme physical dangers. and it must be solved quickly. not fair to the people anywhere
worldwide, you can truly say, but certainly not fair to the people of mexico, or the people of the united states. number two, having a secure border is a sovereign right, and mutually beneficial. we recognize and respect the right of either country to build a physical barrier or wall on any of it's borders. to stop the illegal movement of people, drugs, and weapons. cooperation toward achieving the shared objective, and it will be shared, of safety for all citizens is paramount to the united states and mexico. number three, dismantling drug cartels and ending the movement of illegal drugs, weapons, and funds across our border. this can only be done with
cooperation, intelligence, and intelligent sharing. and joint operations between our two countries are the only way it will happen. improving nafta, number four. nafta is a 22-year-old agreement that must be updated to reflect the realities of today. there are many improvements that can be made that would make mexico and the united states stronger and keep industry in our hemisphere. we have tremendous competition from china and from all over the world. keep it in our hemisphere. workers in both of our countries need a pay raise very desperately in the united states. it has been 18 years, 18 years, and wages are going down. improving pay standards, and working conditions, will create
better results for all. and all workers in particular. there is a lot of value that can be created for both countries by working beautifully together. and that, i am sure, will happen. number five, keep manufacturing wealth in our hemisphere. when jobs leave mexico, the u.s., or central america, and g and pressure on cross border migration. tremendous pressure. the bond between our two countries is deep and sincere. both of our nations benefit from a close and honest relationship between our two governments. a strong, prosperous and vibrant
mexico is in the best interest of the united states, and will keep and help keep for a long, long period of time. america together. both of our countries will work together for mutual good and most importantly for the mutual good of our people. mr. president, i want to thank you. it has been a tremendous honor, and i call you a friend, thank you. donald trump and mexican president pena. addressing reporters, now let's see if they're going to take calls? they are taking some questions, let's listen. >> we were together for quite some time, and i think excellent. i was with senator sessions and
mayor giuliani. and met for over an hour. >> we want what is good for the united states, he wants what is good for mexico, we realized from the beginning it's good for both of us, better for both of us, actually. john. >> we didn't discuss that. we didn't discuss who pays for the wall. we didn't discuss.
>> well i'll start, nothing like an easy question like that. we discussed the wall, we did not discuss payment of the wall nap is for a later date. this was a preliminary, excellent meeting. we are, i think we're very well on our way. a lot of the things i said are very strong, but we have to be strong and say what is happening. there is crime, as you know, there is a lot of crime and problems, but i think together we will solve those problems. i believe the president and i will solve those problems. we will get them solved. illegal immigration is a problem for mexico as well as for us. drugs are a tremendous problem for mexico as well as us. it's not a one way street. we will work together and fix those problems. >> i want to invite both
candidates to respond quickly, by mr. trump, so the meeting, besides the issues we just discussed, we also talked about how relevant is the relationship between our country. how important it is to have a strategic alliance between our countries. i also asked -- showed mr. trump the great responsibility that i have to defend the mexican population. mexicans here and outside of mexico. that there has been a misinterpretation or assertions that regrettably had hurt and had affected mexicans and our perception of his candidacy, of which i am fully respective.
mexican people felt hurt by the comments made, but i'm sure that the genuine interest is to build a relationship that will give both of our societies better welfare. that will express the mexican presidential so get together with both candidates of the united states. it is based on the same remember to work together, but above all, in a mutual respect. this is what i have shared with candidate trump. >> okay, we have been told the
event is over. the bilateral meeting between candidate trump and the mexican president nieto. let me turn to paul. one of the objectives of the meetings was to not depict him as racist, but to be someone who can work with mexico. his brand is strength. it is in the middle of many. and in fact he said he didn't even raise the issue of who pays the wall. it aligns so central to the trump message. when he speaks at rallies, the crowd chants it with him.
it is like "born to run" at a springsteen concert. he has had a brand of strength, and in the eyes of many it will seem like he wimped out. voters are saying okay, you're behind, it is hail mary. and those he is trying to reach are deeply skeptical. i think they will be angry and that he went county there and he didn't say the most important thing. >> let me bring in sarah huckabee-sanders. why didn't he bring up the issue of mexico paying for the wall, and what is mr. trump's policy when it comes to the other big
event today when he gives his him graduation speech later. it does seem to be a combination of backing away from the deportation force and not mentions to the mexican president that you're going to pay for the wall, it seems like he is backing away. >> i think it showed his leadership. he went to another leader and talked about the things they agree on. i think it was right not to talk about who will pay for the wall, and it will be the first of many meetings over the course of the campaign. when donald trump becomes president, there will be big issues that they both agree has to be addressed.
securing the border on both sides. and modernizing nafta. these are really big issues they had time to sit down and talk about and talk about some of the things they agree on. build that relationship and continue that to work towards big solutions that we have not seen obama or secretary clinton in her role of secretary of state be able to accomplish. if people want to continue the status quote, they should look at hillary clinton. if they want to see big steps, bold moves, see things change, they should vote for donald trump. >> i think we have two people on our panel that are not particularly ennamored by eithe candidate. >> i think it gave him an opportunity to look presidential, and it is true that he had a different message here than he will probably have
tonight. he will show up and will have good trump or bad trump. he is acting more presidential, and i would say this is him negotiating. this is how you negotiate. you don't come in the first time and bring up that you're going to build the wall. you get to know each other and down the road you bring that up. he seems to have won over the president who was previously comparing him to some of the worst leaders in history. as to whether or not this will scare off some core voters, it doesn't seem like their shaken by much. he is shifting on this issue, and i'm not sure it will change that much especially because he will be doubling down on a lot of stuff he formalnormally says we listen to him tonight. >> so anna navaro, you have been
very critical. >> i think he had a personality transplant if is very different than we have seen on the campaign trail. brace yourself, it could be an earth wake. earthquake. he went into a hostile environment. those two men up there, together, combined, don't even get to 50% of favorability ratings in mexico. he answers questions in a tough environment. something hillary clinton has been unwilling to do for days and days and days. for the first time in his life in this campaign, he said
positive constructive things about mexican-americans. about hispanics. i thought he was actually smart into turning it into a hemisphere thing, not just about a wall. i think we will see a different donald trump today in arizona. but he also, the imagery was strong. he there was, in a podium, side by side, next to a president of a major country, talking about bilateral issues. >> let me bring in on the phone, joined by former mexican president, felipe calderone. thank you for joining us. what was your initial reaction to this event? >> basically, like a lot of mexicans, i'm very surprised and
share reservation about this event. i believe that for trump, it was completely unnecessary and inconvenient for the country. and the expression that trump says about mexico i think it is, it was a historical mistake for mexico. >> for mexico and for the president pena, you say it was oo mistake. what do you think about the fact that we heard such different language. you mentioned some of the things that mr. trump has said about mexicans. he described mexicans cropping t -- crossing the border. he said that do not send their best people.
today he said mexican-americans are beyond reproach, spectacular, hard working people. >> i don't believe him. he is lying. he doesn't mean what he says. he says we're rapists and tomorrow he says we're wonderful hard working people. he is lying. i think it was very, very sorry, i'm very sorry he came to mexico. you can't say that they should be -- say should be treated with
dignity and courage. >> if you had been standing there, what would you have said to mr. trump? >> i would not have invited him. if he tried to reach me i would not speak to him. >> so you would not even -- >> before, i would demand an apology about the lies about mexican people before any movement. but there is some kind of naive movement. trump saying a few hours before he will -- he complained.
so it was a big move for mexico, and a beautiful movement for him. the mexican government, throwing in a line, complaining of trump, and that was completely unnecessary and he didn't mean it. >> president felipe calderon, thank you for joining us. we'll have another guest here to talk about trump potentially softening his stance. that is coming up next, stay with us. this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions
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piro. paul bagala points out that in the private meeting, donald trump did not bring up the idea that mexico will pay for the wall? >> no, what difference does it make. the wall is important no mat who are -- matter who pays for it. if they don't, they get foreign aide. maybe we can deduct the price from the foreign aide. what a great day this is that the president of mexico invited donald trump to mexico, and he had the courage to go into the heart of mexico and talk to the president. there is mutual respect there. >> let me ask you about this evenings's speech.
there has been a big question about whether or not mr. trump stands by the pledge he made in the primaries whether or not there will be a deportation force, and removing all of the undocumented immigrants in the country, is he still standing by that as far as you know? >> i don't know, i will be seeing him and talking to him tonight, but i'm sure that he will stick by his assistant that you can't violate the law. something has to be dealt with for that issue, i know he wants to get rid of those on the streets. for violent or any crime. if they're arrested, deport them. if they're committing another crime. so this is something he will evaluate and learn something from the president today about that issue. >> the violent offenders in the
country illegally, isn't that basically the same position, they ran so he would get all of the undocumented immigrants out of the countrcountry. >> anyone arrested on charges, on any type of crime, and they're here illegally, they should be deported. not just talking about murderers and so on. that's what he believes in. if you commit a crime, you go back to the country where you came from. >> right, no i hear you, but i'm wondering because there are all of these reports for people like chris christie, rudy giuliani and others trying to push trump on the issue towards the center, and in an interview with the
washington post, former text governor rick perry said there is a thought for way for those who have abided by the law, paid taxes, for them to stay legally and i'm wondering if that bothers you at all. >> i don't think donald trump believes in a.m. necessity, that's for sure. i don't, or a path way to citizenship if you come here illegally. but we both have hearts. i know him personally. on the other hand, he wants to defend our country. all of the drugs comes into the united states come from mexico. he is the one that brought the subject out. everybody forgets, 12 months ago, he talks add i'll legal --
illegal immigration when no one wanted to talk about it been but he is flexible. he says let's make a deal. maybe he made a deal when he met the president, who knows, that is what is important, mutual respect. work together, and try to get the job done together and forget all of his politics. >> it sounds to me like as long as he sticks by the general approach, trying to be tougher on illegal immigration, it's okay with you if he negotiates and softens some of the approaches he had in the primaries, is that fair to say in. >> yeah, you do negotiate. that's what i did with the president when i was over there, and we had difficult times, believe me, but i got a lot done with mutual respect and getting the job done. he is great at that. we should be happy he is making deals, going over there, and trying to alleviate some of the problems our countries have.
he said today, he ought to be -- okay, we'll stop, i will talk about that later on. >> we'll have you on another time. we'll have you on to discuss hillary clinton at another time. we'll have to take break right now. what does donald trump gain or lose from this trip? more on this breaking news straight ahead. from ranches close by. so we don't have to freeze it. add six strips of thick, applewood smoked bacon. and wendy's baconator isn't just different, it's deliciously different.
other republican on the state, who donald trump denounced for favoring amnesty. i can imagine what you will hear from other republicans to said you hypocrite. you didn't have the courage when you go to medical examiner coto say you still favor a deportation -- secondly, what you didn't hear him do in mix koe is to apologize for challenging a federal judge, born in indiana, that he can't be objective because of his mexican heritage. so he did not win a single latino vote in america. >> do you think that any latinos will give him a second look after this? >> i doubt it.
i don't think this is something you can undo the challenge that he has done. >> that is it for "the lead," i'm jake taper. go i send you now to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news. a border crossing after hurling abusive mexico in the presidential campaign. sitting down with mexico's president. coming the same day that rump delivers a speech. he will give his ideas on a border wall and deportation. clinton criticism as her campgn