tv Fareed Zakaria GPS CNN September 4, 2016 7:00am-8:01am PDT
this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria, we have a very important show for you today, starting with an exclusive interview with the president of the united states, barack obama, obama is on his last trip to asia, a region that he believes is essential to america's future.
will president obama confro-- ts second largest army and a crucial american ally. and i asked president obama what he thinks is motivating the unqualified support that working class whites seem to have for donald trump. >> i think we have to pay close attention to what's going on. >> then, understanding trump's trip to mexico, from the mexican perspective. former foreign minister jorge k casteneda. >> but first here's my take, as we're all concerned with the ups and downs of this bizarre campaign, president obama is leaving for a trip, a trip that
is to breathe life into -- the pivot to asia. it's a big idea and it's the right approach, but obama is now the last man standing who is willing to push for it. foreign policy is consumed with momentary crises, often created by failing states or violent gangs, but in the long run, the future is defined by the winners, not the losers. and when the flash points of today have passed, the rise of asia will remain the dominant trend of our time. in just ten years, according to the world bank, four of the five largest economies of the world will be in the asia pacific. how should washington approach this region? one central task is obviously to prevent china from dominating it. that job has been made somewhat easier by beijing's recent expansionist moves, especially
in the south china sea, months that have alienated other countries. china is not the soviet union, but rather the most important trading partner for every country in asia. until recently the state department's top asia man, is to bolster asia's operating system. in other words the arrangements that have built peace and prosperity in asia for decades, like free trade, freedom of navigation, multilateral groupings and institutions and the peaceful resolution of disputes. the most important of these right now, campbell notes is trade. the transpacific partnership is -- it boosts growth, shores up american alliances, sends a powerful signal to china and as president obama points out,
writes the rules of the 21st century in ways that are fundamentally pro american. without it expect china to begin drafting those rules in ways that will be very different very soon. yet the tpp is under assault from every corner of america, hillary clinton and paul ryan say it doesn't meet their standards anymore. what these standards are, they never really specify. robert lawrence points out that the gains of tpp for american workers far outweigh the losses. the notion often peddled by trump is china -- the simple realty is that the united states has the world's largest single country market. officials from other countries have often pointed out to me that washington using this leverage by asking for
exemptions that no other country everybody gets, on tpp, the vast majority of concessions have been made by asian countries and since their markets are more closed than america's, the deal's net result is to open them far more. i suppose one could argue that bernie sanders is at least acting out of conviction, though it is strange to hear sanders, a self proclaimed idealist and socialist viciously denounce policies that have lifted hundreds of millions of the world's people in china and india out of poverty. hillary clinton and paul ryan are shamelessly adopting positions that may must know are wrong. the republican party has denounced itself on two of its core beliefs, going against openness. with the asia pivot, barack
obama is pursuing the enduring long-term interests of the united states. but he's doing so increasingly alone in a washington that is pa pandering to populism. let's get started. earlier in the week i had the opportunity to sit down for an exclusive interview with president barack obama in the roosevelt room of the white house. later in the week, obama left washington for a trip that ended up in asia and china. let's start with the topic i just gave you my take on, the controversial trans pacific partnership deal. don't worry, we'll get to the south china sea, turkey and donald trump later in the
interview. president obama, thank you so much for joining us. >> great to see you. >> one of the centerpieces of your foreign policy has been the so-called pivot to asia, moving to that part of the world whe. one of the parts of the pivot is the tpp, and it looks like that is in trouble, hillary clinton is now against it, donald trump is against it, paul ryan is even against it. >> i don't think that's correct. but the politics of trade have always been complicated. let me back up and say that the idea of the rebalance was not to neglect other parts of the globe in favor of asia, it was rather to recognize that for a decade, we have not been paying attention to asia, at a time when it was undergoing this enormous transformation, that it
was going to be the world's most populous region, and that we had to make sure that we reminded ourselves as well as the region that we're an asia pacific power and the transpacific partnership is a historic agreement, cobbled together among a very diverse set of countries and the basic argument is simple. this is going to be the world's largest market, and if we're not setting the rules out there, somebody else is, and what we have been able to do is not just establish a trade agreement among these countries because many of them we already have trading agreements with. what this does is it raises the standards for trade. so that there is greater protection for labor rights, greater protection for environmental rights, intellectual property, that is so important to a
knowledge-based economy like ours. it removes 18,000 taxes effect ively, tariffs. it gives us a huge market to open up for american goods and services. there is no economist that has looked at this and said this is not only a smart trade deal, but it actually makes up for some of the failures of previous deals to have fully enforceable labor or environmental components. but what is true is that there have been in the past always a vocal, you know, set of interests that are opposed to trade inside my party, the democratic party, and what's been new is, some populist anti-trade sentiment inside the republican party, having said all that, it was said that we couldn't get the authority to
even get a trade deal done and we got it done and i remain confident that we can get tpp passed. >> there's a similar pact for europe that's being negotiated and the vice chancellor of germany just said that's dead, that trade is not -- are we at a turning point that free trade is no longer popular in western societies? >> if i'm not mistaken, the german government said that was not the case. but what was absolutely true, fareed, is that the combination of globalization and automation have integrated the world economies like never before. and what i think has been the fault of those in charge of the immigration process, is to not pay attention to the winners and
the losers, overall, it has created gross prosperity and wealth for all the countries involved. and part of the reason that we have seen billions of people rise out of extreme poverty, during our lifetimes has been because of that integration. but what's also true is that there has increasingly been because of this immigration a tendency towards those of us who are highly skilled, highly resourced, have access to capital, to be able to get a bigger and bigger share of that growth, people who are low skill, low wage, not mobile. have had trouble getting love raj in this system. and so that divergence has created more and more inequality within advanced countries, part of the united states, part of the argument i will be making
when i go to my last g-20 meeting, is that if advanced countries don't pay attention to inequality, if we don't pay attention to not just growth in the aggregate, but how is that growth distributed and do beem have latitude in this global economy, then there's going to be reaction against globalization and against trade, even though, whether that resistance is coming from the left or the right, the prescriptions that they're describing, somehow cutting off global trade, aren't really viable. and so, you know, the arguments i make to my progressive friends, is you're absolutely right to worry about inequality, but the answer is not to pull-up the drawbridge, the answer is to make sure that everybody has high labor standards, that all countries are accountable to
their citizens, in things like minimum wages, worker standards, making sure there's a testimony that people can access, unfortunately we haven't done enough of that. >> next on gps, much more with president obama including his theory on why donald trump has so much support from white working class americans. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they don't taste chalky and work fast. mmmm. incredible. can i try? she doesn't have heartburn. new alka seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief. with this level of engineering... it's a performance machine. with this degree of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class. it's everything you need it to be...and more.
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on friday, air force one took president obama on his last planned trip to asia for his presidency and his last g-20 meeting. chinese president is the ring master of this year's g-20 hosting major world leaders in the coastal city of hangzhou. when i went to the white house earlier this week, i wanted to know what the president planned to say to his chinese counterpart. >> when you're in china, are you
going to be having a different conversation with chaerpz leaders? -- you're seeing a new form of nationalism, you're seeing a new specifically anti-western and anti-american nationalism, whether it's with regard to cyber theft, cyber crime, sign erp attacks, the way the -- where china is doing what apparently violates international law and is worrying its neighbors, is it time to get tougher on china? >> first of all, i don't think any of that is new, china's been run during our lifetimes by a communist party that has been much more anti-western in the past. we went through a period, over the course of 20 years in the '90s and on through maybe the onset of my presidency, where
because state sponsored capitalism and an export driven model was very successful, china was less interested in making waves. but, you know, you got over a billion people. one of the largest economies now in the world, so it's to be expected that they will want a bigger seat at the table, when it comes to international affairs. and what we have said consistently is that we welcome the peaceful rise of china, consistent with international norms, that's good for everybody. an impoverished and collapsing china would be dangerous for everybody. and, you know, we should want china to take on more responsibility not only for its own people, but a wide range of
international problems and conflicts, whether it's climate change for disaster relief or dealing with things like ebola. but what we have said to the chinese and we have been consistent about this. that you have to reck nice that with increasing power comes increased responsibility. you can't market to those powers that just advantage you, now that you are a middle income country in many ways, even though you have a lot of poor people, you can't just export problems, you have to have fair trade and not just free trade. you have to open up your markets if you expect people to open up their markets, when it comes to issues relating to security, if you sign a treaty that calls for international arbitration around
maritime issues, the fact that you're bigger than the philippines or other surrounding countries, is not a reason for you to go and flex your muscles, you've got to abide by international law. and part of what i've been trying to get across to the president is, that when we bind ourselves to a bunch of international norms and rules, it's not because we have to, it's because we recognize that over the long-term, building a strong international order is in our interest and i think over the long-term will be in chesapeake's interest as well. so where we see them violating international rules and norms, as we have seen in some cases in the south china sea, or in some of their behavior when it comes to economic policy. we have been very firm. and we have indicated to them that there will be consequences. but what we have tried to
emphasize with them if you are working within international rules and international norms, we could be partners and there's no reason we cannot be friendly competitors on the commercial side and important partners when it comes to dealing with the many international problems that threaten both of us. >> i got to ask you one question about the campaign. >> yeah. >> as you watch the support that donald trump has, and you watch where it comes there. i'm wondering what you make of it. because you've written in the past that you're -- the -- these are the people who support trump, these are the feel mo have the most suspicion about you. what do you make of that? >> there's a long tradition in the united states of inclusion, immigration, diversity. but also people once they're
included in what they consider to be the real america, worried about outsiders, contaminating, polluting, messing up a good thing. what i'm always reminding people is that although you'll see bumps, whether it's the no-nothings, or, you know, other anti-immigrant sentiment directed at the irish or southern europeans as opposed to northern europeans or the chinese, or today latinos or muslims, the long-term trend is people get absorbed, people get assimilated and we benefit from this incredible country in which the measure of your patriotism
and how american you are is not the color of your skin, your last name, your faith, but rather your adherence to a creed, your belief in certain principles and values, i don't think that's going to change because mr. trump's got a little more attention than usual. i think if you look at the current polls, he's been able to appeal to a certain group of folks who feel left out or worried about the social change, who have legitimate concerns around the economy and feeling left behind. but that's not the majority of america. and if you talk to younger people, the next generation of americans, they completely
reject the path -- we have to take it seriously. any time that we hear intolerance, any time that we hear policies that are contrary to our policies, banning certain classes of people, who they are and what they look at, what faith they practice, then we have to be pretty -- overall, i'm optimistic, but i think we have to pay close attention to what's going on. >> i asked president obama if turkey is still a safe ally, after the coup and counter coup, should turkey still house it's nuclear weapons there?
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president erdogan's response, mass arrests, crackdowns and the silencing of many media outlets. i wanted to get president obama's take on all this. when you look at the news that has come out of turkey over the last few weeks and months, the coup attempt, but then the purges afterwards, the issues around turkish foreign policy. are you confident that turkey is a liberal democracy, a staunch nato ally, where we are nuclear weapons, and a force for stability in the region, or should we be worried? >> they have gone through a tumultuous event. this coup was serious. you had members of the military
engaging in treasonous acts, including those who were opposed to president erdogan, stepping up and saying this is unacceptable. and that was, i think, the ray of hope that came out of what was a really challenging event. you now have a reaction by the turkish government that understandably is scared and concerned, imagine if something like that happened here in the united states, the challenges that we would have in figuring out how to restabilize a country. i have long said to president erdogan directly, even prior to
this coup, that he began his career as a democrat and a reformist, and the danger, i think, of any leader, is the longer you're in here, you have to constantly remind yourself of the values that you came in with. and that if turkey cracks down on journalists in ways that are inconsistent with democratic practices, if dissidents' voices in civil society lose more and more space, the mere act of voting is not the only part of democracy, rule of law, free press, freedom of assembly, those are all part of it as
well. i think the turkish people are going to be debating this and working through this over the next few months, we haven't seen a diminishing effect on our security relations, turkey remains a strong nato ally, they are working with us to defeat isil, they are an important partner on a whole range of security issues in the region. but no doubt what is true is that they have gone through political and civil earthquake in their country, how they rebuild is going to be important and what which want to do is indicate to them the degree to which we support the turkish people. but like any good friend, we
want to give them honest fe feedback. >> we'll actually have more of president obama later in the show when he will do part of my job for me. next up, trump's trip to mexico seemed a success to him, but what did mexico think? the country's nato foreign minister will tell all when we come back. welcome to opportunity's knocking, where self-proclaimed financial superstars pitch you investment opportunities. i've got a fantastic deal for you- gold! with the right pool of investors, there's a lot of money to be made. but first, investors must ask the right questions and use the smartcheck challenge to make the right decisions. you're not even registered; i'm done with you!
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. wednesday was a bit of a jekyll and hyde today for the republican nominee donald trump. in the daylight hours he appeared diplomatic and even presidential at a meeting in mexico with president pena nieto. >> we will build a powerful, beautiful, southern border wall. >> he reverted to his anti-immigration rhetoric that has been his trademark since the
start. that's how it looked at least from the united states. but how did it look from mexico? i want to bring in jorge castenada, former foreign minister to mexico. now a professor at nyu. why would president pena nieto do this? it had the appearance of being presidential, the photo-op of the two lecterns, what did pena nieto get out of it? >> he got absolutely nothing out of it, fareed, and i think it was a huge mistake to have sent the invitations to both him and hillary clinton in the first place, basically nobody in mexico understands what in the world he was thinking when he decide to bring trump down and give him in marvelous forum to look presidential and even
statesman like, it's an incredible enigma and mystery to everyone in mexico. >> and the response steam seemsy strong, i was reading one of mexico's most respected intellectuals compared it to neville chamberlayne meeting with hitler. and it's been said, the way you deal with tyrants is to expose them. that that meeting in mexico was to demonstrate that displeasure rather than registering trump without even asking for an apology. is that response more widespread in mexico? >> well, fareed, there's a poll in this morning's main paper in the country, whereby 85% of those who were asked last night whether they thought it was a mistake for pena nieto to have invited trump they said it was,
that's as high as you can get before you get to unanimity. it's a huge fiasco for the president. partly the result of his own weakness, he is not only very low in the polls, but he's facing a serious economic downturn, social unrest, political divisions within his cabinet as the 2018 succession comes up. and so he probably did this as an act of desperation, hoping to get something out of it. what he got out of it was to give trump more power and help him in his campaign in the united states and not get from him, nor an apology or a redraction on any issue, the wall, who's paying for the wall, deportations, reopening nafta, et cetera. it was a pretty pitiful day for mexico and for our president and
that is how everybody in this country views it, fareed, but it's even worse in the sense that this goes and helps someone that mexicans really detest. he has become a hateful figure in mexico, like no one i can recall at least in my life, fareed, and he went back to his blustering bullying, hateful nature just a few hours after he left mexico when he gave the speech in arizona. >> now do you worry that those amicable relations between the mexican government and the american government that work closely together on everything from illegal immigration to drug intervention, is that going to be jeopardized? >> what i'm worried about is that this is generating an anti-american feeling that makes it hard for any president to
work closely with the u.s. president. the substance hasn't really changed, the style perhaps has, the big difference is that now you have public opinion here which is really ferociously anti-trump. but that can move over to anti-american very quickly. >> thank you for those insights. >> thank you, fareed. up next, the jettissons, r2 how would you like to have your own personal robot? only the sealy hybrid has posturepedic technology to support you where you need it most. sealy. proud
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jobs, but how would you like to have a personal robot, to help you learn, to be your friend. my next guest says it's much more real than the 1960s space age cartoon. the personal robots group and founder -- what makes what they have dubbed the first family robot. >> thank you for having me on the show. >> you got interested in robots first by watching "star wars" and watching r2d2. >> yes, those were my initial sources of inspiration, i was the first time i was captivated by any movie truly, and just seeing robots, these wonderful full-fledged characters that would relate to people in this interpersonal way, forever
shaped my idea of what robots can be. >> we have some examples, i suppose am son now has this alexa, i think it's called, obviously siri. so it can hear human commands, but there's a lot more to it. >> there's a big difference between an information agent like siri or alexa, versus a social robot that's actually much more like an r2d2 experience. jibo is designed to be an interactive character, as much as it is a helpful device for the home. but with this fun and companionship, that i think is a much more welcoming, warm experien experience. >> you can actually write code, or you will write code that will have the computer, the robot, tell a joke, make some helpful
suggestion about what you're cooking, talk about the weather s is that part of the idea? >> starting with social robotics one of the difficult things to say about the field is to not only say what is it to create an intelligent machine, but for the first time it asks the question, what would it be like to create a machine that had emotional intelligence. social robotics like jibo is really looking at all of these dim mentions, so -- it's ability to take pictures more like an interactive photographer. so you could say jibo take pictures, it can find your face, it can track you, it can take pictures. i'm the family photographer in my family, i'm not in in pictures with my family. so i can just say jibo pictures,
but also his ability to engage us and make us smile and take a picture. so we have e readers that just tell you a story, but with a technologiliy like jibo, it can have a shared interactive experience, so it can almost reimagine what interactive storytelling can be, through a robot that cannot only tell the story, but through its body is actually perform and express the story, more than an actually storyteller. >> the key differentiator is that these machines, these commu computers that have all these -- >> it's staying what is it about people and how our minds work
that lead to our most successful, most rewarding ways of interacting experience in the world. there's important emotional factors in doing that. it's again just sayinging let's think deeply about the human experience, what we need to thrive, and start to design -- when we do, low and behold, people are actually more successful, they learn better, they're healthier. next on gps, we have more of my exclusive interview with president obama, if you are looking for a good book to dig into, he actually has a couple of suggestions.
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public education is definitely a big part of our job, to teach our customers about the best type of trees to plant around the power lines. we want to keep the power on for our customers. we want to keep our community safe. this is our community, this is where we live. we need to make sure that we have a beautiful place for our children to live. together, we're building a better california. mr. president, it's become a gps tradition, that when we have the honor of having you on the program, rather than me making book recommendation, you just came back from vacation, you must have taken a pile of books. >> i did. >> which of them would you recommend? >> on the fiction side, the underground railroad, by colson
whitehead, powerful book. and a book called "sapiens" and it's a sweeping history of the human race, from 40,000 feet. and part of what makes it so interesting and provocative is that because it's such a condensed sweeping history, it talks about some core things that have allowed us to build this extraordinary civilization, that we take for granted but weren't a given. and gives you a sense of perspective, and how briefly we have been on this earth, how
short things like agriculture and science have been around and why it makes sense for us to not take them for granted. and you know, it goes back to keeping the longview in mind. often times when i'm going through a really difficult problem in the presidency, i think back to one of my first foreign visits to cairo. and after i gave a speech there, we went to the pyramids and had all afternoon to wander through, one of the perks of being president, is they kind of cleared out the crowds and you know, pyramids live up to the hype, they're magnificent. but as you're looking at the
high r heirogliph heirogliphics, they had their own economic ups and downs, they were able to leave the pyramids. in the sweep of history, we get a very small moment in time. we try to treat people, i always tell my daughters, treat people kindly, be useful, use your time well. but remember you're part of the larger sweep of this big story that brings us all together. >> time and chance happen to them all. >> that's exactly right.
>> thank you. >> thank you, mr. president. >> i enjoyed it. >> thanks again to president obama for his time and his thoughts and thanks to all of you for being part of this special edition of gps, i will see you back here next week for another special edition, this time marking the 15th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. good morning, i'm brian stelter and this is "reliable sources," a look at the story behind the story, about how news and pop culture get made. this weekend is the perfect chance to take a step back and really look at how the presidential campaign is being covered. on a week when sean hannity says that glen beck is waging a holy war against him, and two of the top news -- both in swing states, will tell me about the hate mail they're getting. all year long, i have been hearingne