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her conduct is disqualifying. >> is this the kind of accusation that has roger ailes fingerprints all over it? and will ailes hurt the candidate with women voters in the wake of fox's $20 million payout to former anchor gretchen carlson who accused ailes of sexual harassment? let's get right to this new polls with larry sabato. thank you so much for coming on. let's talk about these numbers. cnn shows this race is tightening. a statistical dead heat, hillary clinton is ahead by 3% among likely voters, trump is ahead by 2 points. what do you make of these numbers? >> well, the race has certainly tightened in the sense that hillary clinton's convention bounce has completely faded, but you would expect that. she got a much bigger convention bounce than trump did and her bounce lasted much longer than trump's and really prior
candidates. so, look, she was at 3 -- plus 3%, 4% prior to the conventions. that's exactly where she is now. we can get into a long argument about whether it's really wise to use that likely voter screen right now because notice the big gap between registered voters, where hillary clinton is leading by several points and the likely voters, which means you screen out people that you think may not vote in the end. well, it's kind of early, don. i don't fully believe at that. and, by the way, the campaigns don't either. >> why do you say we can get into a conversation. why don't you fully believe it? >> i don't fully believe it because i think it's too early for the likely voter screens to be convincing and to be durable. i also saw other numbers in the poll that i just don't quite
swallow. and i want to know why this has not been replicated anywhere else. some of this was done over labor day. i don't know that this was the best time to poll. but i'm open minded about it but i want to see it replicated, don. let's see these numbers replicated and applied to swing states because we haven't seen any of that yet. >> let's talk about the honesty and untrustworthy numbers here. they are bleak for hillary clinton. when asked who is more honest, trump gets 50% of likely voters to clinton's 35%. do you think that's a result of the attacks on the clinton foundation and e-mail servers, attacks over the years? what's going on here? >> i think the last one, don, is exactly right. this is a cumulative effect of 25 years of attacks, of negative assaults, of scandals, much of which the clintons have to take full responsibility for.
so it's 25 years worth. she been in the headlines for 25 years. and these things add up. so i think it going to be tough for her to really deal with that in the context of a campaign. she's going to have to shift the focus to her strengths and also to trump's weaknesses. but she has to do both. you can't just run a campaign by denouncing the other candidate. she has to remind people what her strengths are. >> this one, i want to ask you about this because i think this is the most important one in this survey, that clinton supporters are less enthusiastic than trump's, that's according to this new poll, 55% of her supporters are less excited about voting this year than usual, while 56% of backers say they are more excited. how important is that? >> i think that's very important. i think that ought to be a wake-up call to the clinton campaign, assuming their numbers are the same and to clinton herself. somebody called her the queen of
coasting, and she has -- she coasts a lot in campaigns and it lost her the 2008 race, it may have cost her a decisive victory in iowa against bernie sanders, but she is coasting. you can't coast. even if you think your opponent is weak, you have to present a dynamic picture almost daily and that means not dropping out of the picture for two weeks of fund-raising. >> yeah. larry, i made this point and some of the panelists made this point last week and the week before, where is hillary clinton? donald trump is shaping the narrative. her supporters said she didn't need to go to mexico, she doesn't need to do these things, people already see her as a statesman. but when the race is this close, shouldn't she be in the picture and answering the narrative about herself and detractors? >> absolutely. she needs to show more initiative and be less reactive. even if you're the front-runner and i think she's still the front-runner running for president, even if you're the front-runner, you have to roll
the dice every now and then. you can't simply hang back and let somebody else play the game and then at the end stand up and wave and say i'm ready to take the oath of office. >> this a national poll, larry, but the most important poll numbers are in those battleground states. how is she doing in the latest polls in those key states? >> well, we haven't seen post-labor day polls. but she has been doing very well in the vast majority of those swing states. and, in fact, she would carry almost all of them assuming the pre-labor day polls still hold up. >> i appreciate that great assessment on the polls. now i want to turn to bring in republican consultant margaret hoover, gloria allred and scottie nell hughes. thank you for joining us. scottie, you just heard larry talking about the direction of the race. it's not all good news for donald trump. how do you respond? >> i think one thing that everybody -- i've listened to your panel. one thing the hillary clinton
camp has missed is we keep talking about the woman's vote, this gender gap. i think it's more about the marriage gap. that's one thing this poll did reveal that donald trump is winning remarkably with married women, in fact beating hillary clinton by 17%. and i think this is a group that the hillary clinton has highly underestimated as these women are incredibly engaged. they're very much motivated, wherein years past they might not have been necessarily ready to show up at the polls. when you go to the trump rallies and go to the streets, it is these women, a large percentage of female voters that are ready to go to the polls and elect donald trump for president. >> this is another politically charged story. fox news has agreed to settle with gretchen carlson in a lawsuit against roger ailes for $20 million.
and giving a public apology. here's the public apology -- we regret the fact that gretchen was not treated with the respect and dignity that she and all our colleagues deserve. what were the terms of the deal? and we'll talk about how it affects the election. gloria allred. >> we don't know what the terms were. of course there are reports that she received a $20 million settlement but we don't know that because it's not being confirmed by the parties to the settlement. but we do know there is what this says, kind of an apology, although you'll have to note, don, i know we all do, it says
nothing about sexual harassment. it does say everybody's entitled to respect and she didn't get the kind of respect that she would be entitled to enjoy. nevertheless, it is something. i'm very happy that gretchen carlson decided that she knew she had rights, she was going tie certificate those rights, she filed a lawsuit to vindicate those rights and now she has a settlement that is satisfactory to her, that she feels is fair and, as she says, she can now go on with the next chapter of her life. i want to say i'm very proud of her and all the other women that came forward. >> more than 20 women came forward. why is donald trump dealing roger ailes? does it damage the republican brand to do this? >> i worked with gretchen carlson at fox news for several years. she was courageous. i think she was treated justly in the end. she also did a favor for women
in a media landscape that is not always favorable to them. >> and to empower will. >> gloria made the media landscape favorable to women. a lot of people came out and said she was not telling the truth. >> considering how passionate you are, why would the campaign associate with a roger ailes and is that a good -- >> you know, very rarely do individual voters who are undecided on the fence taking into consideration who is going to be the commander in chief really put the staffers that are helping them in their journey towards the presidency through the same kind of microscope that they're going to put the future commander in chief or potential commander in chief. so for as bad of a judgment i think that it is and as much as it reflects the sensibilities and lack of sensibilities -- look, steve bannon has no credibility in how to deal with
women either, if you look into steve bannon's history with women -- >> and the candidate himself. >> and the candidate himself. >> what the trump campaign should do is put more of kellyanne conway out front and put more of ivanka trump out front. her speech when she was helping to be a character witness for her father at the convention said he does not judge people by gender, he is completely gender egalitarian in his business practices and he would support practices like equal pay for women. that is the kind of message they need to really pursue and litigate if they're going to try and win over women. >> i just want to say that roger ailes has said he wasn't guilty of any of this, even though the lawsuit has been settled. go ahead, gloria. >> do you really think that ivanka trump wants to be out there defending her father for
talking about "my african-american," defending her father for calling women pigs or fat, defending her father for calling mexican-americans rapists, suggesting that somehow a woman, hillary rodham clinton, might not look presidential. >> gloria, let me play that sound byte. >> she's shown every willingness to defend her father in every one of those circumstances. >> this is an interview broadcast on tuesday. listen to this. >> hillary clinton does not have the stamina, doesn't have the energy, doesn't have it. doesn't have the strength to be president in my opinion. i just don't think she has a presidential look and you need a presidential look. you have to get the job done. >> again, gloria, that's what you were mentioning. it's not the first time he's talked about women based on their look. she doesn't look presidential. go on with your comment. >> that's because we've never had a woman president.
i remember when i started practicing law 40 years ago, a lot of people had to get used to the fact that, yes, women could be lawyers. we had very few women who were judges. now we look at a woman judge and don't even question, of course a judge can be a woman. so this is hard always for the first. for the first woman police officer in any police force. oh, does she look like a police officer? well, donald trump, get used to it. this is what a president will look like and does look like. >> scottie, i want to get you in. >> real simple. it goes to donald trump would have made these same type of comments about whether it's hillary clinton or a man. he's going to make the commentary about it but you don't hear the same, gloria, when hillary talks about donald trump's hair or how real it is or some of the other superficial comments she made about his work. if we're going to talk about allegations of sexual harassment and rape, i'd like to add in impeachment and disbarment. those are a lot of things that a
lot of people think bill clinton did. and he's her number one adviser on the stump for her. if we're going to criticize an adviser with these sort of allegations, it's on both sides. >> what belies both sides in this debate is the democratic party always litigates the challenge that republicans have with women. republican war on women. what's interesting about donald trump is he doesn't actually hold the positions they attack us for. he's actually pro-choice. even though he says he's pro-life, he's pretty moderate on social issues. why then, if these are the issues that democrats say defy the war on women, why is he so toxic with women? >> gloria, can you answer that after the break? >> i will. >> i've got to get a break in. >> you don't come back. okay, finish your comment.
>> donald trump has provided his list of who he would appoint to vacancies on the united states supreme court and, margaret, they are not for the most part pro-choice. they will end or try to reverse roe v. wade so that women will not longer have a legal right to choose safe abortions. and that is what we have to judge donald trump on. not double talk on abortion. >> but those talks is why it helping him with married women and why his numbers are so much higher than necessarily hillary clinton's. hillary clinton is trending 2% less than barack obama did in 2012. she has a problem with the women vote as well. >> thank you all. i wanted you guys to come back but they said no. i enjoy talking to you. thank you margaret, gloria and scottie. i appreciate it. when we come back, non-white voters favor hillary clinton nearly 4-1. can donald trump beat those odds? i'm going to ask the bishop who welcomed donald trump to his church over the weekend. we'll be right back.
donald trump spoke to a mostly african-american audience for the first time in his campaign this weekend. trump addressed members of great faith ministries, a nondenominational church in detroit. bishop wayne jackson invited him to speak and bishop jackson joins me now. thank you for coming on. >> hey, don, i'm here.
i told you that you and president obama, besides myself, are my wife's favorite men. >> i'm honored to be on that level with the president. last week you told me you want to hear real answers from donald trump, not just what the hell do you have to lose. what did he say in detroit? >> well, donald trump was -- i mean, he gave a powerful -- he left a powerful impression on the people that were there. and he's totally different in person than he is in -- on what people say on tv. >> let's listen to part of his speech at the church. >> i believe we need a civil rights agenda for our time. one that ensure the rights to a great education, so important, and the right to live in safety and in peace and to have a really, really great job, a good paying job and one that you love
to go to every morning. >> that sounds like solutions, great solutions that many would want to hear but what about specific policies? did he offer to address these policies? offer to address these issues? >> like i said, the interview i felt went real well. right now my son, who is heading the edit of the interview, they're telling me that it's real nice. i haven't seen it yet. but, you know, again, you know, i am not a journalist. policies -- i ask him would he sit with a person, you know, like the naacp, like mark moriel, like al sharpton and he said he would. i believe when you see the interview, you're going to see donald trump's heart. i'm waiting, anticipating to see the final interview.
>> so you didn't push him on any specifics on policies, right? did he mention some of the policies? >> i only had 3 minutes out of 30 minutes. and in that interview he answered the questions. >> i have to tell you a lot of people would love a 30-minute interview with any of the candidates. go on. >> i never met mr. trump before, first time seeing him. when he came into the church, he didn't know anything about me. we set down in my office and went over the interview. we set down, he was very open to me and answered the questions and the people who were watching it felt that it was, you know, a good interview, but let me just kind of tell you something that happened in this interview where that speech that had taken place in the church, it wasn't supposed to happen. let me kind of give you some background on it. now, mr. trump camp had told me that there would be no speech
after we got finished with the interview that, he would take and go into the service and after that we would, you know -- he would greet the congregation and he would sit down and enjoy the service. >> so he wasn't going to speak, just greet the congregation, enjoy the service and do the interview. >> no, do the interview first. >> and that changed. he wanted to speak to the crowd. did you convince him he wanted it speak? >> what happened was -- >> got to go fast. we don't have 30 minutes. >> after he got the interview, they said that mr. trump said, i got something i want to speak to the congregation. and then i said, well, that was not the schedule. we didn't schedule that. and then one of his aides said mr. trump needs to speak. mr. trump needs to speak. and that aide was pushing me towards he needs to speak. now mr. trump is standing there between both of us and i'm getting a little irritated by
this because i told the "new york times" and everybody else that mr. trump was going to do nothing but he was just going to address the congregation. >> so why did you decide to let him speak? >> i decided because i pushed back on that aide and mr. trump took his speech and, you know what he said? he said whatever the bishop says. he put the speech back in his pocket, didn't have an attitude or anything. he really was the mediator between us two. >> i want to read this. this is ahead of the visit, "the detroit free press" said trump is aiming to use his appearance in a black city with black people to boost his stock among white middle class voters. i'm going to ask you your reaction to that. do you feel in any way that you are -- do you wonder in any way if you're being used by donald trump? >> no, i'm not be used. look, i'm my own man.
even when i press -- when they were trying to press me, i said, listen, i'm the pastor here. mr. trump, took his speech, put it in his pocket and the lord told me to let him do it. he was humble, he wasn't irritated. so going back to your question, do i believe that he's being paraded in front of african-americans, you know, to fool them, again here we go again, african-americans, going to fool them. politicians democrats and republicans, they come to town to speak and he had not spoken to a black audience and he wanted to be in a place where he felt it was fair. >> do you wonder about the timing of this about why now instead of doing it -- >> no, i don't wonder -- >> let me get my question out, bishop. if he had such interest in the african-american community, why that hasn't happened over the last 50 years and instead of the last, you know, 50 or 60 or 70 days to the campaign until where
he's possibly going to be president? >> i can't answer that. i can't answer. >> that never crossed your mind about why he didn't have an interest or visit a black church or do anything like this until now? >> well, politicians come to the black churches all the time because the black churches are a powerful institution. you know, i know that when he came, he came sincere. and i'm not trying to defend one person to the other. i keep saying that. that's why i come in and just speak what is truth and that's it. mr. trump camp got in touch with the impact television network. that's where it all started. he wanted to communicate two months ago, their camp contacted me and said we want to speak to the african-american community on the impact television network, which is 50 million viewers and i said yes, i prayed upon it and i said yes. >> did you ask them why? >> why? what do you mean why?
i don't understand why. doesn't he have a right to speak like any other candidate. >> yeah. i just wondered when you said why did they answer why he wanted to speak to -- >> no, because i have an obligation -- i'm a broadcaster. i have an obligation like everyone else to give my viewers a chance to see both sides, the democratic side, republican side. >> i want to ask you about didn't you guys give donald trump a prayer shawl? what's the story behind that? >> well, the prayer shawl is, you know, if you know anything about my ministry, i have had many people who i prayed for. i prayed for theresa heinz kerrey -- kerry, for winnie mandela, i go on and on and on for the people i prayed for. when donald trump came, he is a man who is running for the highest nation of our nation. and it was a prayer shawl because everybody says he needs prayer. so the prayer shawl symbolizes
the power of prayer and also the tassels, the fringes on that prayer shawl, it represents the remembrance of god's covenant. so i prayed and fasted over that prayer shawl before i gave it to him and i put it on him because this man is traveling to and fro all over the country giving speeches and also he needs god's protection. >> bishop, not to cut you off but do you think he changed any minds? >> yes, i do. >> did he win you over? >> well, i'm not going to say that. i tell you one thing, i saw another side of him. when i saw in my officer, how he mediated that tense moment and he didn't even get mad. he's the one who became the mediator between me and his staff. >> all right. bishop, thank you so much. bishop wayne jackson, i appreciate it. always a pleasure. tell your wife i said hello. thank you so much. when we'll come back, two member of the clergy who were there in detroit, we'll talk to them.
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may not be working. here to discuss now pastor james davis of the new spirit revival center. here is a trump supporter and bishop colletta vaughn. pastor of holy ghost cathedral. she's author of "teach your daughter to fly." thank you for coming on. they were both at the donald trump's speech in detroit. bishop vaughn, you say donald trump's speech was better than expected. so, why didn't he change your mind? >> well, the speech was better but he's still the same donald trump. i don't know if he's better but the speech was a great speech. listen, we are less than two months to the actual election and i've already decided who i was going to vote for. you remember that i was invited back in the beginning of the year to meet with mr. trump and at that time i had already kind of decided not to go and be a part of that meeting and then right after that i was invited
to a similar meeting by mrs. clinton in philadelphia and it was there that i really made my final decision that she was going to be my candidate. since that time she's been in my church, she's been in my community and i'm 100% behind her. so nothing that mr. trump can say at this point can push me any closer to hillary clinton. however, i certainly am farther away from donald trump, even after sunday. >> since you said that, pastor davis, i have to ask you, there are i shouldn't save some -- some say that some of trump's outreach, i should say most of african-americans because 90 some percent of african-americans are going to support hillary clinton. some say trump's outreach to the african-american community is too late, that one weekend won't erase years of rhetoric. or years of what they see as discrimination to african-americans. what's your response to that?
>> i think part of it is this whole narrative that's been painted with extra, i can't even find a better adjective than what it really is. start off all the conversations have been about this whole birther thing, which, you know, once again for the thousandth time with regard to this birth certificate that, narrative started in 2008, not 2011, from hillary supporters. but she gets a pass so he picked it up and brought it into the discourse. >> i want to stop you point to point here. why would she get a pass on something she never encouraged and said? donald trump supporters say a lot of things he can't take responsibility for. >> she never distanced herself. >> no, she didn't. she said donald trump was born in this country -- obama was born in this country. and she said she has nothing to do with it and she has no issue with where donald trump was born. but donald trump sent people
over to south africa, he also has never apologized for it. he just said i don't want to talk about it, let's move on. >> again, why should he apologize? this is where black people are right. they are offended at the birther piece. if he as an american citizens had a question about the president, i don't understand if that's racial -- >> even after the president produced his birth certificate, he has still said he doesn't believe that it is accurate or maybe it possibly is accurate. >> how is that racist? >> he still has not apologized for something that he was actually wrong. >> what i'm saying is that what black people take it and of course you're black, don, but at the end of the day, what the majority of us or the majority of folks in our community, they are holding this offense and
they're saying our mind is made up and we don't even want to hear him. the bishop vaughn didn't want to hear him in person. she was invited. she reneged on the invitation and didn't go. >> i did not renege, sir. i declined. i declined. >> so either way she wasn't there and i would say that eyewitness is always better than secondhand information. she went to go see hillary but she didn't go see him. so the same impression that bishop jackson got in person that he's different than the media paints him, she could have gotten that same impression. go to our constituency, go to black folks in general. >> so let me ask you, the birther thing didn't bother you at all? >> didn't bother me one iota. >> bishop vaughn, did the birther thing bother you? >> absolutely and it still does.
i want to say i declined an invitation. i did not renege. i never committed to it. and i think that's a choice that we have, you know, in america, to choose where we want to go. i chose to go this past saturday because bishop wayne jackson personally invited me to the service. >> in the interest of time, can you get to your other point because, i'm sorry. >> the birther movement, in talking to the people around me and in the congregation, we kind of wanted mr. trump to at least acknowledge that he had been responsible for the things that he had said about our current president. and until he does that, whether it's racist or not, it's offensive. and when you've offended someone or when you perceive that a community is offended and it shows in the polls, he only has 2% of african-americans voting for him. >> thank you. once again, thank you. sorry. i appreciate both of you coming back on. independent voters could be the key to the campaign. who's got the edge with them? comfort food...
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lewandowski the former campaign manager for donald trump, maria cardona, paris dennard, former white house director of black outreach, a trump supporter and cnn political contributor van jones. corey, just a month ago, cnn's poll of polls said that donald trump was behind by 10 points. tonight a national cnn/orc poll shows the gap down to 3 points, what has changed? >> what you've seen in the last 30 days is donald trump out very actively campaigning, you've seen hillary clinton behind the scenes raising money and this drip, drip, drip of the e-mail controversy that the fbi continues to talk about that has driven her numbers down. the national polls are one thing. the one thing that's going to make a difference are the state-based polls, in the battleground states.
if you're the trump campaign today, you're very happy. if you're the clinton campaign, you're very worried that you're losing independents by 20 points. >> the battleground states, that's where the rubber meets the road, as i said to john king in an earlier broadcast. and donald trump is closing the gap there, at least coming close to it. van jones, i want to ask you why you think he's been able to close this gap. among like live voters, not registered voters, in a four-way race, donald trump is leading 45 to 43. gary johnson has 7% and 2% for jill stein. why do you them he's able to close the gap? >> first of all, with likely voters, that usually skews a little bit more republican. but hillary clinton took a chance. she took a risk this summer. the risk was donald trump was doing so badly, he was slipping on every banana peel, dropping marbles on the stairs trying to run up them, falling down, she says i'm going to let this guy
continue to embarrass himself and i'm going to focus on raising money. the risk was that by being a little bit less visible, letting him do his own damage, focusing on the fund-raising, she might sag a little bit. she did not sag as much as she might have, but she now has to turn. you see her doing it now. she's on the plane, talking to reporters and she's got a big bag of money to go forward. for a while it was smart politics to let this man humiliate himself. >> would you have advised her to go and raise money? >> i think she did the right thing. i think he was doing so badly, let him embarrass himself but she has got to do a hard turn now. >> paris, you save trump has proved he's effective at staying on message. one message he seems to be waffling on is immigration. what is his stance? >> you look at the current polls, he's leading amongst independence and on how to handle terrorism, he's leading on enthusiasm and he's up to 8%
with african-americans. with the issue of immigration, he has a ten-point plan which crystal clear, there's no amnesty, he went to mexico, he looked courageous, and has a great plan. look it up. people will respond to it. the media and hillary clinton are nervous about mr. trump and this poll is showing he's connecting with the voters and he's speaking clearly and he's going to win this election because he's going to connect on all of these issues, especially the issue of illegal immigration, jobs and the economy. >> so you think he's being clear but there are voters, many voters out there and not just democratic voters, some republican voters, who say he have vague on immigration. is that a good strategy to maintain -- or is that his strategy to maintain prime -- primary voters while not alienating potential voters?
>> i think when you put out a ten-point plan, you can't be more crystal clear. when up have 88 retired admirals and army generals come out and support you, people are responding to his message. you may not get it maria, you may not want to get it, van -- [ talking at once ] >> go ahead, maria. >> i agree it has been clear from day one. i think you should show donald trump that ten-point plan because he doesn't know what it is, nor does he care what it is. he doesn't understand immigration law, he doesn't care about it, he doesn't get it, which is the worst of all. he'll say one thing one day and he'll say another another day, but the people who actually care about immigration, which is frankly the majority of the americans, most latinos, hispanics, a lot of minorities, the immigrant voters in this
country, they know where he's coming from. they know it is a draconian plan to deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants plus the 4 million children that have been to those undocumented immigrants, donald trump wants them out. there's a huge hypocrisy here, don. "the washington post" had a scathing editorial about his wife melania trump's immigration stance is. >> here we go. she's not running for president. >> stand by, everyone. >> there is a story about trump's company modelling agencies who have come over -- >> i have to go to a break. we'll be right back. "hey! you get that memo too?" "it's just an alert from credit karma. they help me with this whole--being an adult thing." "credit karma seriously helped you feel like an adult?" "yeah." "free credit monitoring?" "i feel like it's working all ready." "credit karma. give yourself some credit."
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back now with my panel. i have no idea what you were saying because you were talking over each other and the producers were talking to me at the same time. i think you were trying to make a point. i was asking about immigration. >> quickly, i was pointing out that other than the fact that donald trump doesn't know, and is clueless about immigration
law, there is huge hypocrisy here. there was an editorial in "the washington post" that focuses on the discrepancies of the history. they're talking about the discrepancy of melania's immigration. there is a modelling agency, trump model that's just came out, the story that came out that says they used models that came over here illegally for them to work for trump's modelling agency. he has used undocumented immigrant workers in a lot of his projects, so to under score the hypocrisy in the immigration plan is -- >> let corey get in. >> you have no fact to back up that statement. that is used undocumented workers. no case of that. and to -- >> there have been studies after studies. >> to raise mrs. trump in this is deplorable. let's talk about bill clinton and his extracurricular activities in the white house and --
>> he put herself out there. she talked about her own citizenship story as -- >> one at a time. >> your spouse that has an egregious record. when it comes to women and the -- [ talking at once ] why don't we talk about his affairs. >> corey, corey, calm down. if you're going to say -- it is deplorable to bring up the wife -- >> melania has never put herself out there other than making one speech at the convention. >> she has. >> she has not. >> she has done several interviews. >> very, very limited. >> two interviews where she -- >> one at a time, please. >> she has talked specifically to her own legalization path and said i followed the law. everyone else, should, too. >> standby. since we are talking about this immigration, the campaign has said that they were going to address some questions about melania trump's immigration status.
>> here is what we know about melania trump. "the daily mail" and other media outlets wrote an egregious story. they recanted and retracted the story. you wouldn't believe this, i know it is hard to believe. the media gets it wrong sometimes. >> they're not the only ones, corey. >> standby. >> are they going to address it all all? >> there is no question about her status. >> yes, they are there are questions. in her own statement, there are questions. >> i know you want to -- >> if you knew immigration law, you would know there were questions. huge questions. >> van jones, you were trying to get in here. go ahead. >> i think that for most people, when republicans were attacking our now first lady michelle obama. people really thought that was bad.
now, they attacks are going toward melania. i understand all of this. i just think most people at home are probably hoping that at some point we do start back where maria usually goes, to those issues. it is horrible to me, hold on a second. it is horrible to me that you have people right now who are watching who's mothers or fathers might not have papers, working hard every day. making our economy work, who, the food you ate today was probably touched by the hands of undocumented person but those people don't have rights and respect. and they deserve it. and so when these things become political footballs as maria usually points out, there are human beings involved here and i want to make sure at some point the republican party understands you're putting in jeopardy lives of people and children and parents and i don't see the heart for the issue. i see the political football and it is wrong. >> i have 15 seconds. >> well said. >> and i hope democrats get back to the issues and focus on the matters at hand. there are americans who are
right now suffering because of the lack of jobs and wage stagnation sitting around the table wondering how their children will get through school and pay for it and have a good -- the american dream. these are issues that mr. trump is addressing. not the side shows. he does well and democrats like maria bring up the side shows. >> thank you, all. >> when he talks about hillary's appearance, that is not talking about the issue. >> he is talking about being presidential.
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