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employees got fired. let's talk, live in the "cnn newsroom." >> good morning, i'm carol costello. north korea says its carried out its most powerful nuclear test yet. the explosion registering the force of a 5.3 earthquake. kim jong-un's government now claiming it can make nuclear warheads small enough to fit on to missiles. world leaders are strongly condemning the apparent test. with president obama saying just moments ago there will be serious consequences. he also said, and i'm just getting his statement right now, that north korea's nuclear test is a grave threat. he says to be clear the united states does foot and will never accept north korea as a nuclear state. we have suzanne malveaux on this story. she'll join us in a little bit. let's head to tokyo now for north korea's side. will ripley has that. hi, will. >> hi, carol. that brand-new statement from president obama comes after he
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was very busy during the overnight hours speaking on the phone separately with the japanese prime minister shinzo abe who is here in tokyo and also the south korean president park where according to a white house spokesman, we have a quote from them as well, he, the president, reiterated the unbreakable u.s. commitment to the security of its allies in asia and around the world. the president indicated the world would continue to consult with its allies and partners in the days ahead to ensure provocative actions from north korea are met with serious consequences. but those serious consequences, carol, what are they at this point? when you think about the fact some of the strongest sanctions ever are in place against north korea with even the naming of the north korean leader kim jong-un having little effect in slowing down this fifth nuclear test in some ten years but also they launched three missiles just last week. they launched a submarine-based ballistic missile the week before. a reported h-bomb test in
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janua january, in pyongyang after that test. i asked about international condemn nation. what they said, from a government official, not from somebody speaking freely is they're prepared to tighten their belts and go hungry if they have to because their leader wants them to develop these weapons because it's the only way they can protect their country from invasion from the united states. that's the mind-set the rest of the world is up against. you wonder what it's going to take to stop this rapidly accelerating development of these weapons. what north korea wants, a miniaturized nuclear warhead they can put on these missiles. >> all right, will ripley reporting live from tokyo. i'm just reading more of president obama's statement here. i do want to bring in my panel a little early to talk about what's happening in north korea now. mike baker is a former cia covert operations officer. colonel sedrick laleyton is a
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former air force colonel. and dave miller is a distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson international center. he is also the author of "the end of greatness, why america can't have and doesn't want another great president." all right. i do want to start with you, mike. what do you make of what's happening in north korea? president obama just coming out with a statement saying that the north korea nuclear test is a grave threat. >> well, i mean, he's right in the statement. but it's -- it's kind of more of the same, you know, what they're doing is consistent with what north korea and the north korean leadership has been doing for years, and there's a sense that the world isn't paying attention, the world isn't taking them seriously, and, you know, so, once again, they're throwing their teddy out of the cot, in sort of a simplistic fashion, but this is a serious issue. this is their fifth nuclear test. by all accounts, they are
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getting the intelligence, the information they need for their weapons program. so yes, i mean, but we have little to no leverage. frankly, we always do the same thing. we always say, well, china, china is the key here, china needs to deal with them. well, that's not true either. china doesn't have the leverage i think that the administration or the previous administration also believes they do. >> so, aaron, what can the united states do, because this sounds like north korea's just ratcheting things up and it's starting to sound really scary. >> i mean, i think this is just one of the many problems in a cruel and unforgiving world the next president's going to confront. a serious problem without a really good set options. i mean, four powers outside of the five permanent members of the security council, possess nuclear weapons. north korea's the most unpredictable. sanctions working with the chinese, our own force posture,
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creating a presence in asia, all of these things are critically important. if a small country ideological and authoritarian is producing nuclear weapons, the real question is, short of a military confrontation, which is prohibitive, what do you do about it? an honest man and/or woman would admit right now that the options for blocking a program that's already developed and perhaps, now, in the phase of producing the delivery system that is very effective and precise, those options are just very poor. >> okay, so colonel lleyton, i'm going to get to you. i want to go to suzanne malveaux first. because the president of the united states sent out a very long statement. you've had more time to read it than i have. what else does it say, suzanne? >> it's a very good point your panelists are bringing up here. part of the statement talks about what are the consequences here. the president making clear there have to be consequences.
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he goes on to say we agreed to work with the u.n. security council. obviously they're having an emergency meeting today. the other six-party partners. he says they're vigorously going to implement existing measures imposed in previous resolutions and take other actions including additional sanctions. this is something previously president bush and now president obama have had to deal with, with north korea. and the sanctions have not worked. and so they really are in a situation where these are tough words. we have very strong allies. but it is not really effective. so you have this very strongly worded statement of condemnation. you have promises of doing additional economic sanctions. but the question still remains really, whether or not this is going to be effective. >> colonel lleyton, my question for you, will there come a time when the u.s. takes military action? >> unfortunately, i think we have to be prepared for that, carol. it's a very difficult situation, david miller and mike baker and
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of course suzanne just pointed out. what you're dealing with here is the fact that there are so many limited options means that the military option, instead of becoming the true last resort, becomes the only resort in a very extreme case. you really don't want to go that far. so one possible thing they could do before that is to have a more serious blockade of north korea that would absolutely limit trade between china and north korea but the chinese would have to be willing to do that, and i don't see them going that far yet. yes, they've condemned this, but the next step is will they actually fulfill the idea of limiting trade to a much greater extent than they previously have. >> you have the situation with north korea ongoing right now. the secretary of state john kerry is now trying to negotiate with the russian foreign minister to company e to some sf agreement about how the united states and russia fight isis within syria. all of this is going on.
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while donald trump actually appeared on russian-funded television and he criticized american policy. i want to get into that right now. donald trump's campaign says he didn't realize the interview would air on the kremlinbacked station since larry king asked the questions but it did. jeff zeleny is here to tell us more about that and then i'll return to the panel. >> this is the point in the presidential campaign when real events on the ground like in north korea really can shape the race as well. donald trump's words on the russian president break from the traditional boundaries of american politics. democrats now are outraged. even many republicans are uneasy about these blurred lines of country versus party. hillary clinton says this, praise for putin is the latest example of trump's lack of judgment. she says all americans should be alarmed by this embrace of the hostile leader. let's listen to this, comments from yesterday when she was on the campaign trail. >> that is not just unpatriotic.
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it's not just insulting to the office and the man who holds the office. it is scary. it is dangerous. >> trump is indeed embracing vladimir putin. in that interview on russian television with larry king, he poured cold water on the suggestion russia is meddling in u.s. elections as many intelligence officials believe by hacking into that computer networks at the dnc and elsewhere. this is what he said. >> i think it's probably unlikely. i think maybe the democrats are putting that out, who knows. i think it's pretty unlikely but, you know, who knows. i hope if they are doing something, i hope that somebody's going to be able to find out so they can end it. because that would not be appropriate at all. >> and carol, as you said, the trump campaign is push back on that appearance in a statement this morning from his
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spokeswoman. she said mr. trump recorded a short interview with larry king for his podcast as a favor to mr. king. what mr. king does with the interview content is up to him. we have nothing to do with it. but, carol, this is unlikely to be the last word on this with so many republicans already alarmed and unsure about his ability to embrace national security issues. and the latest news from north korea even adds to this. it's a new challenge for both candidates. but particularly for donald trump. >> i want to play just a bit more what donald trump said on russian state television. because he was directly criticizing the bms administratiobama policies, so let's listen to that. >> maybe the democrats are putting that out. who knows. but i think that it's pretty unlikely. but, you know, who knows.
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i hope that if they are doing something, i hope that somebody's going to be able to find out so they can end it. because that would not be appropriate at all. >> okay, so i'm going to go back to my panel right now. aaron, mr. trump said it was an accident, he didn't know his comments would be on russian state television. should voters be concerned about this? >> look, i've worked for republican and democratic administrations. i watched a lot of political campaigns. rarely, if ever, have i ever seen a presidential candidate embrace a foreign leader, particularly one who may not be an enemy of the united states but is clearly -- belongs in the adversary category. and for mr. trump who prides himself on not wanting to telegraph his moves and to remain unpredictable, the embrace of vladimir putin as a risk-ready strong leader who admires mr. trump is, i think,
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well out of the box of mainstream politics in this country. and injurious, i'm persuaded, to the interest of the united states. and what's driving it is very curious. it's not simply putin's flattery of mr. trump. i think there is a conviction on the part of donald trump that he is the world's greatest negotiator, that he figure ms. putin is a guy he can deal with. i think he's got that fixed in his world view well before the presidency. >> let's talk about that a little bit more with mike. so would it be beneficial for the united states to establish better relations with vladimir putin? could vladimir putin help us defeat isis? >> well, i mean, better relations with any major power in the globe would be a good thing for us. but we have to be pragmatic.
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look, this is like a never-ending sketch from "saturday night live" on both sides to be fair. the fact that donald trump would try to make a point, and i think what he's attempting to do, and it's bizarre, is to say he disagrees with the leadership style of obama. so in contrast, look at vladimir putin. and then mike pence comes out and says, you know, donald isn't saying he likes the system. he doesn't particularly like the system that putin is running. i've never seen anything like this before. but then you have hillary clinton, you know, saying that isis prays to allah every day hoping donald trump will win. we have entered new territory here. but can we work with russia to defeat isis? i don't thing that's very likely. we have to understand that russia is operating according to its own best interests, as is china, as is north korea, everyone else.
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we seem to be in the u.s. incapable sometimes of understanding that's what other nations do. so russia is taking care of its own agenda. we might be able to in very short bursts find an intersection with our interests crossed with putin's right now in syria and in the middle east. but we need to be very careful and very pragmatic in understanding that in no way, in no way, does putin's interest in the middle east match in the mid, or long term, what is in our best interest. >> i have to leave it there. thanks to all of you for being with me. of course my thanks to you too, jeff zeleny. i want to take you to the pentagon now where a 9/11 remembrance ceremony is under way in the courtyard. the deputy secretary of defense bob worth among those making remarks to the department of defense workers. president obama will attend a larger ceremony at the pentagon on sunday and on that day, well, that is the 15th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. >> we are dedicated to honoring
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hillary clinton projecting a softer image. her platform, humans of new york, a website devoted to sharing personal experiences. clinton writes, quote, i know i can be perceived as aloof or cold or unemotional. i had to learn as a young woman to control my emotions. clinton went on to talk about humility with voters. >> humility is not something you hear much about in politics, is it? but we should. none of us is perfect.
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it's because of our limitations and imperfections that we must reach out beyond ourselves to god and to each other. it isn't easy but i've learned to be grateful not just for my blessings but also for my faults and there are plenty. >> all right. so let's talk about humility this morning. here to discuss is joseph bar relly, councilman for the 51st district of new york city council and a donald trump supporter. and our next guest, a hillary clinton supporter. welcome. why is hillary clinton now talking about humility and the mistakes she's made in the past? >> i think in a presidential campaign we learn every aspect of a president's character, a leader's character. she's trying to communicate directly with voters. i hope people all throughout the
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country read both of these posts and really see hillary talking about her strengths but also her weaknesses. and in the posts, you know, i've known here for 20 years. in the humans of new york post, she really talks about how the kind of armor got start, you know, got created but there is the hillary that her friends know which is warm and funny and kind and caring so i hope people see this and really see her talking about herself in her own voice. >> jason, what do you make of this? >> the warm fuzzy and kind hillary clinton is certainly not the one the public knows. this is one of a series of quote/unquote hillary remakes. we've seen this tried back in july right before and during the convention. but the truth is, her character has essentially been defined through -- over the last 30 years. the public knows who she is. i think the public is sort of concerned and is shaped by the trust issue more than anything else. i think that, sure, she can try
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to sound softer. she can try to sound more family oriented and things like that. but i think this is just a reaction to some of the bad poll numbers that have come up that show she has a gap even among u.s. women. >> can you imagine trump softening his image and talking about humility and mistakes he's made in the past? >> i find it hard to -- for donald trump, to imagine donald trump talking about humility, yes, i do find that difficult. but let me just respond to this. you know, this isn't like softening or -- this is just hillary talking about her experiences. and talking about people have questions about, you know, her public perception. and she's trying to explain, you know, sometimes why people see her that way. and i think, again, people should really look at these things. i mean, and evaluate them for themselves. look at what she's writing. evaluate it for themselves. i think the reality is we can do
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what people do in cable and i can mention donald trump's high negatives, that they rue higher than hillaries and that he is more trusted than hillary. and she's doing better with particularly college-educated women, doing much better. the reality is i hope people hear her and in her own voice -- >> i do find it -- >> but carol -- >> i do find it interesting that some people say hillary clinton must do that, soften her image, and she's a woman, but they don't say thatjoseph, why is th? >> i think donald trump's character has always been sort of consistent and -- >> but he has high unlikability numbers too. >> higher. >> if you look at the polls, they're going towards him. on the subject of gender gaps, your own poll confirms that, that donald trump is doing better amongst women than
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hillary clinton is doing amongst men. both candidates have -- >> a segment of women he's doing better -- >> no, i wrote it down, on a -- >> -- leads women 15 -- >> -- i think hillary has 38% of women rather, donald trump has 34% -- >> that's a segment -- that's a segment of women -- >> and when you consider all women, hillary clinton trounces donald trump and then donald trump on the other side trounces hillary clinton with men. >> but she's doing much better with women. >> that's what the rnc poll shows. >> no, among -- support amongst gender, donald trump has more support amongst women -- >> i know what the cnn poll says. he is doing better against a segment of women. when you take into account all women, she is trouncing him. he is trouncing her with men. that's just what our poll shows. that said, kellyanne conway, trump's campaign manager, was on "new day" and asked about if
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hillary clinton was playing the gender card too much. this is what she said. >> she runs on her d.c. political resume and having been the first lady united states senator and secretary of state. she's using those achievements to show, to say that she is qualified to be commander in chief. so you can't have it both ways. you can't run basically for eight years now for president of the united states on those credentials. and then turn around and say everybody's being unfair to me, they're picking on me because of my gender. screaming about sexism when you're running as first female president of the united states with two months to go seems to me a bit desperate. >> okay, so i just double-checked those numbers on gender in the cnn/orc poll. hillary clinton leads donald trump with women 53% to 38%. and flipped for men. i just want to clarify that because, you know, perspective. going back to kellyanne conway's -- i'm sorry, she's
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losing with men. >> right, right, right. >> the numbers are almost flipped. that's what i've consistently said during this segment. so i want to ask you about what kellyanne conway said, is there a danger, if hillary clinton goes and plays the gender card too much, because she will be criticized by that by certain factions. >> i mean, i think it's fair to say that no matter what hillary does, she will be criticized by certain facts. i think -- i have to say, i didn't really understand kellyanne's point. i don't get it. obviously you can be a person running on the fact you have experience. can be a woman running on the fact you have experience but also recognize that, you know, some of the coverage has not been fair. hillary clinton is not the first one to say some of the coverage has not been fair or some of the perceptions are affected by gender. that is women in journalism, men in journalism, a whole round of people. so i think the reality here is it's not really about a critique of the press et cetera. what hillary's really trying to do here, just to be clear about
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we begin this half hour in washington, d.c. where right now a 9/11 remembrance ceremony is about to get under way on the steps of the capitol. members of the house teaming up. they're about to sing a rendition of "god bless america." you see the house speaker. he's speaking here. and then nancy pelosi, the democrat, house democrat, will give remarks. and then all of these house members, democrat and republican, will join hands and sing "god bless america." we'll show you a bit when they begin singing. just two days before the anniversary of the september 11th attacks, the house votes on a controversial 9/11 bill. it would allow victims families to sue saudi arabia in u.s. courts. the legislation already passed by the senate. it's faced opposition by president obama. manu raju on capitol hill with the latest on that. >> good morning. this bill expected to pass the house today by an overwing
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margin. in fact, veto proof majority expected. it will go to the president's desk. we expect the president to veto it and be overridden by both the house and senate, something we have not really seen much of during the president's tyime hee in office. the white house believes this bill could open up americans to a raft of lawsuits and they're worried it could strain the already strained alliance with saudi arabia. now, paul ryan, the house speaker, has also been concerned about this as well. he acknowledged this bill would pass when asked about it yesterday. >> well, i think they raise compelling concerns. the votes are very overwhelmingly. i think those concerns have been taken under consideration and i think members are acting accordingly and that's why this bill will pass.
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>> a bit of news here on capitol hill, we expect also a zika funding bill to pass in the next couple of weeks here, carol so we're seeing some consensus around some big issues here in the final weeks before congress heads back to campaign ahead of the elections, carol. >> manu raju, reporting live. let's go back to the steps of the capitol hill where they have gathered to sing "god bless america" in memory of 9/11. nancy pelosi speaking now. let's listen. >> we suffered a tragedy we could never have imagined and witnessed terrorism which we will never forget. every september 11th for the past 15 years, americans have bowed their heads to find comfort in faith. even as we are still rocked by disbelief at the tragedy of that day. as we humbly visit the sacred ground of 9/11 this year, we continue to marvel at the heroism of our first responders and the families who turned
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their grief into action to make america safer. because of them, 9/11 does not belong to fear, it belongs to courage. it belongs to compassion. it belongs to the first responders and those who rushed into the smoke and up the stairs. to the passengers who charged up the aisle. to the men and women who stayed behind in the stricken buildings to help strangers to safety. because of them out of the ashes of the fallen world trade center, the crushed concrete of the pentagon, and the burning field in pennsylvania, americans rose united. as we salute all of those who died on 9/11, we must also salute those who have lost their lives in the years since. we must remember the ongoing struggles of the thousands of heroes who, years later, are stalked by devastating illnesses from their exposure to ground zero. by some accounts, 10 to 25
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cancer diagnoses per week, 15 years later. we must treat all of them and those that come after as illnesses in our own families. we must continue to meet the commitment to the health and compensation needs of our heroes and their loved ones. we will remember and our tears, comfort and appreciation must exist. this is the legacy of 9/11 that we must pass down through the generations. the heroism and resilience that are the soul of our nation. let the memory of the fallen heroes be a blessing to our beloved and our nation, let their sacrifice dedication to justice and freedom. may god bless the fallen of 9/11 and their families and may god continue to bless the united states of america.
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>> let us pray. god of heaven and earth, we give you thanks for giving us another day. today, we remember a day begun in terror and violence and ended in heroic effort and courage. we mourn those whose lives were snatched from them. give peace and healing to those who mourn the loss of their loved ones still. we thank you again for the almost universal international response to a great american tragedy. all your children of good will could see the horrors of actions by men who would presume to act in your name causing so much
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death and destruction. may your spirit of peace and justice continue to fill the hearts of people of all faiths, races and nations. be present with us this day as we gather again on our capitol's steps. bless the men and women who serve this great nation in the house of representatives. may they be confident in the knowledge that all americans stand behind then in their common effort to forge legislation that will reflect the resilient greatness of our nation. may all that is done this day and in the many days to come be for your greater honor and glory, amen. >> at this time, i'd like to invite everyone to participate in a moment of silence.
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the iconic american flag raised by three firefighters at ground zero have been missing until now. the flag disappeared shortly after the 9/11 attacks but it turned up years later and has made its way back to the site from near where this famous picture was taken. deborah feyerick has more on its incredible journey. wow. >> reporter: on 9/11, in the burning ashes of the world trade center, three firefighters raised an american flag. it was 5:00 p.m. on a day that changed history. >> this picture became how we said patriotism post-9/11. >> reporter: the iconic image
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featured in the 2013 cnn film "the flag" it was unfurled at yankee stadium and traveled on board the u.s. aircraft carrier that launched the first air strikes against al qaeda in afghanistan. >> i have never seen so many grown men and women cry just by touching a piece of fabric and of course it wasn't just a piece of fabric, was it. >> reporter: except it wasn't the right flag. >> somewhere between 9/11 and the yankee stadium ceremony, the flag went missing. >> reporter: the flag, taken by three firefighters from a yacht in the marina near ground zero, disappeared hours after the photo was taken. its fate remained a mystery. until now. about 2,900 miles cross country in everett, washington, a stranger identifying himself as a former marine named brian turned over the flag to local firefighters. >> brian was purporting the flag to be the missing 9/11 flag. >> reporter: and so began a two-year process to confirm the flag was authentic and get it
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back home to the original owner. there was a level of secrecy as to what you potentially had, why? >> i was concerned that there was the potential that a lone terrorist, if they believed there was an american icon in a city of 110,000 people, they may want to either try to steal it or destroy it. >> reporter: lead detectives created a sketch of brian hoping to ask him more questions. all they knew is he was allegedly given the flag on veterans day in 2007 by a man who received it from a 9/11 firefighter's widow. did you ever generate any satisfying leads? >> no, we did not. >> reporter: the break came with forensic scientist william shneck who painstakingly analyzed photos, fibers and thousands of particles, comparing them to original ground zero dust. >> the key things would be the composition of the building
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materials themselves, the concrete, the glass fibers, minerals, gypsum, all those were critical. >> reporter: ultimately conclusive. as detectives prepared it for the journey home, they asked a retired nypd officer to make the final fold. >> he grabbed on to that flag, held it up to his face and smelled it and turned and looked at me and said "that's the smell i remember from that day." >> reporter: the flag, back where it began, 15 years ago. and when that photograph became public and people understood the power of the image, someone was dispatched to ground zero to reclaim the flag but it was gone, it had already been taken. so someone found a different flag and people knew right away it wasn't the same flag because of its size, it was much larger. the fact it is now back is certainly significant but nobody knows really how it got there. >> i'm telling you, your story gave me chills. it gave me chills. but you're right though, the
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mystery of who took it, why, how did it end up, like, way across the country. >> and that's what they want to know, that's what they want to find out. it's good it's back but it still has a big story. >> it sort of adds to the romanticism vourroman romanticism surrounding it now, right? deb feyerick, thank you. 15 years later, an updated look at the iconic film with the only known shortage from the twin towers. that's sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. what if a company that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter? the lubricants that improved fuel economy. even technology to make engines more efficient. what company does all this?
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as you well know, donald trump is running for president. some are now comparing him to a former president, much admired and respected ronald reagan. trump's running mate mike pence telling cnn's dana bash that he can see real similarities between the two men.
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>> i think at the very core, both men are the kind of leaders that have a core of humility. >> so both leaders have a core of humility. is that really true? joining me now to talk about this, craig shirley, the author of "last act, the final years and ear mermerging legacy of ro reagan." he joins me now from tucson, arizona. welcome, craig. >> thank you, carol. >> as that interview with mike pence went on, he insisted that donald trump was very much like ronald reagan and we wanted to explore that. because more than one republican politician compared themselves to ronald reagan. is there any one politician you have in mind that really is like reagan? >> no. not at all. by the way, the words humility and donald trump don't often apply to the same sentence. so a little surprising pence would say that. no, and reagan himself didn't compare himself to other politicians or say i want to be
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the next john kennedy or the next franklin roosevelt. he often quoted the founders and the framers, philosophical military leaders but he was too inner directed and too self-confident to say he wanted to be anybody else other than himself. >> a lot of people say ronald reagan was a tough talker, as is donald trump. i just want to present their contrasting style also rigs rig. let's listen. >> there is one sign the soviets can make that would be unmistakable. that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> we are going to build a great border wall to stop illegal immigration. >> so can you see -- i mean, maybe it's an unfair comparison,
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i don't know. but donald trump speaks in a different way, at least in my mind. i'm old enough to remember ronald reagan when he was serving as president of the united states. >> yes, carol, you're absolutely right. he spoke differently than other political leaders including donald trump. he was raised in the christchurch. his father was catholic. he raised young regular within a parish perspective. he said we, us and ours. writers took notice in 1980 that reagan spoke differently than other republican politicians. he didn't use the protestant i, me and i, he used the catholic we, us and ours. so he was very different from the presidential candidates and presidents. >> why do so many politicians still invoke ronald reagan's name? he was president a very long time ago. many young voters don't really
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remember president reagan sadly. >> fortunately, because of the advance of technology and videotape and audio and everything else, he's still omnipote omnipotent, still ever present, probably considered to be the last successful president we've had. two liberal historians said they would both put reagan in the great category of american presidents. and so we remember ronald reagan in the way we remember franklin roosevelt and abraham lincoln. he's moved into that era now. >> all right, craig shirley, thank you so much for joining me today. and thanks to all of you for joining me. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" with berman and baldwin after a break.
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vladimir putin is a stronger president in his country than barack obama has been in this country. >> vladimir putin is an aggress aggressor. >> he is very much a leader. >> violating the sovereignty of other countries. >> unpatriotic and insulting to the people of our country. >> he says great things about me. i'm going to say great things about him. >> it is scary. >> hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. from russia with love or is it to russia with love. donald trump and vladimir putin's mutual admiration society anewed last night and put national security in the spotlight. today hillary clinton will meet with national security

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