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donald trump and hillary clinton making news on the campaign trail tonight. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. tonight three talk show hosts,
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john fred riericks, a trump supporter and mr. madison, are you all right? >> hello to all of you. joe first to you. listen to hillary clinton at a fund-raiser here in new york tonight. >> you know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of trump supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. right? the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. but the other basket of people who feel the economy has let them down, nobody caress about them. >> do you think that she should have said that, joe, basket of
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deplorables, racists, sexists -- >> i think in the last segment someone should she shouldn't have said half or i don't know if she should have said one third or you could put ten people. there have been some deplorable people that even donald trump has had to denounce. we had to force him to denounce david duke and others. but let's understand one thing, she obviously not speaking literally, it was figuratively. and, secondly, this is what you do and say at fund-raisers. you are with -- it's almost like being a cheerleader. it's like being with your crowd. and you think this is something, you wait until you get to a republican fund-raiser. you'll have the same thing said about liberals, about progressives. this is what people do at fund-raisers. >> but, chris, i have to ask you, though, you remember when
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donald trump says, you know, said that he was -- he could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and he got a lot of flak for that. do you think it's similar? >> actually, what this reminds me of, this reminds me of mitt romney's 47% comment caught at a fund-raiser and it was devastating. i didn't hear this until i was on my way in to do your show often. i don't know that i've ever heard a candidate define voters with such pejoratives. to call supports are names? that could be terminal. >> i've heard donald trump and i can give you the clip if you want, i'll be glad to send it to you saying i love stupid people.
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and he was talking about his supporters. >> he said i love the uneducated. >> well, uneducated, stupid. i love the uneducated people. who calls his supporters uneducated? who does that? we don't want uneducated people making uneducated decisions like voting for donald trump. so be very careful when you bring that up because that clip is out there and if hillary clinton's people are smart, they'll play that every day during the campaign. >> what he did not say is i love hillary clinton's stupid people, i love the stupid people that support hillary clinton. far different than saying the people that support my opponent are racist and xenophobic and blah, blah, blah. >> you don't call your own supporters uneducated. >> john you, you're sitting there awfully quiet. is this like when president obama talked about bitter people clinging to their weapons?
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that hurt him. will this hurt her? >> the clinton campaign is in freefall, dead panic in brooklyn. they don't know what to do. they're delusional. they don't have any idea what e-mails are going to get out there. right now trump is surging all over the country. i was the first one in america to predict he was going to be the republican nominee and i'm predicting he's going to win on november 8th. >> everybody's been the first by the way. i'm not saying you're revising history but a lot of people say that. >> if you saw mrs. clinton tonight, that was a desperate attempt to frame trump's backers, calling them stupid or whatever she's trying to do. at the end of the day they have no plan -- her entire campaign right now is based on bashing trump and then continuing to bash trump. they have no plan. they're in a free-fall. trump is going to win, don. i mean, i don't know what these
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people are going to do because they're not -- they're not seeing reality right now. >> i want to play this in. to joe madison's point, you said if you go to a conservative or a republican rally, you'll see similar things. donald trump on the campaign trail tonight down in pensacola, florida, he said this about hillary clinton. >> because she is being so protected, she could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching right smack in the middle of the heart and she wouldn't be prosecuted, okay? that's what's happened. that is what's happened to our country. i never thought i'd see the day when this is happening to our country. >> so, chris, is that appropriate? >> no. >> would i tell him to say it? no. i long gave up the business of
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spinning for donald trump. i don't do it. an overwhelming majority of the country believe mrs. clinton should have been punished by the fbi. a majority of people polled say something should have gone down with the fbi and mrs. clinton's e-mails. it didn't. most of this country feels she getting away with something criminal. i heard what you said, she hasn't been charged with anything criminal, fine. but most people believe she's done something criminal and that sentiment exists. >> i don't disagree with you but to come on and definitively say that hillary clinton has committed a crime is just factually inaccurate and i was trying to get that across to the guest who is an attorney. i was shocked that he doesn't understand that. joe, you got a good chuckle out of that. >> i got a good chuckle out of it because as i said, you're going to hear it on both sides. look, again, i've played on my
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show donald trump saying i could stand in the middle of fifth street -- >> fifth avenue. >> fifth avenue, excuse me and shoot somebody and -- >> let me play that. >> go ahead, please. >> they say i have the most loyal people. did you ever see that? where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? it like incredible. >> go ahead, joe. >> i mean, whoever would have heard -- in all my life i've never heard any presidential candidate, republican or democrat, say something like that. i mean, so you can see how -- let me say this quickly and i think we all can agree with this. i will be so glad when we start talking about issues that impact my child, my grandchild, my paycheck, you know, education. this back and forth attack, what's going on right now, i
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don't know if this is predebate nonsense, but at some point in time we have got to get into the substance of public policy. and that's what i'm waiting for because what i think we're all tired of is this attack/counterattack. let talk about substantive public policy issues, education, the economy and who will lead the country in the next four years. that's what i think the american people really want. >> and substantive issues like taxes. we'll discuss that. >> absolutely. >> we'll discuss that when we come right back. don't go anywhere. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks.
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that's becoming increasingly hard to ignore, donald trump's refusal to release his tax returns. his running mate, mike pence, released ten years of tax returns tonight. why won't donald trump release his taxes? what is the justification? >> i don't know. i don't know. and i don't really spin for donald trump. if we're going to talk about secrecy and what we can't see, there's a laundry list of it over there on mrs. clinton's side, too. >> listen wees, we will get to but can we stick to the point instead of deferring to the other side. everybody does that. why won't he release his tax returns? that is something that hillary clinton has done. >> i don't know. but, frankly, his taxes are the least of my concerns. we're talking about -- we're talking about a history shrouded in secrecy around mrs. clinton that the public -- >> it doesn't matter to you how much taxes he's paid, how much charitable giving he's done, especially since the cornerstone
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of his campaign, one of them beside immigration and building a wall, has been what a great businessman he is, how he will rescue the economy and save the american people and get jobs because he can create them because he's such a great businessman? that doesn't make you curious about how his companies operate, how much money he makes, how much taxes he's paid, how much charitable giving he's done? you're not curious about that? >> you want me to evaluate his professional resumé. again, i'm happy to do it. i suppose it would be nice to see, sure. these two people trying to evaluate their professional resumés, it would be exhaustive and we can make the case for both of them -- quite frankly, we can make the case that both of them are shrouded in secrecy and unanswered questions. i can't focus on him when her resumé of failure is so vast. i mean, it very difficu's very me to pile on him -- >> i think it would be fair if
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we were discussing their resumés but we're talking about releasing their tax returns. one candidate has done it on the presidential side. another one has not. both vice presidential candidates have done it. donald trump is the only one who hasn't. but go ahead, joe. >> failures. this is a man that has had so many bankruptcies. but here's the point. i had a friend today say to me that it's more than now a double standard. it's quadruple standard. this is the same candidate, donald trump, who asked for the president's college transcripts, asked a 50-year-old man for college transcripts. then he wanted to see a birth certificate. he wanted to see legitimacy. what tax returns do, it tells you a lot who you attributed to. you know what really bothers me is people who call up and say or people who sit out there and say, well, you know, i wouldn't
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understand them, even if he gave out his tax returns. let me tell you, we probably all work on talk radio stations and networks. we can find tax experts who can explain it. there are people right here on cnn who can come on and explain what he's done. the reason he doesn't do it is because he is hiding something. that's exactly the argument that would have been used against president obama and anybody else and that's why the governor of indiana released his taxes. something is strange when your running mate releases taxes and the man at the top of the ticket doesn't? >> john hasn't gotten in. john. >> here's what we're told about mrs. clinton's charitable foundation and the giving to that foundation. we're told those things don't matter, there was no quid pro quo. millions and millions to the clinton found as, no quid pro
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quo. that's what we're told. if we're just going to apply this sent aly, we can do this all day on both of them. >> did they release the record, though? >> yes, they did. and they got an a rating. tell the whole story. tell the whole story. they got an a rating. >> i will tell the whole story. >> i think it's fair to evaluate all of them if you have the receipts, as they say. if you're going to evaluate the clintons and they have released all the information, it fair to evaluate it. you can't evaluate any of what trump says about his taxes because he hasn't released them. go ahead, john. >> the clintons didn't released anything. it got released by judges or by leaks. it's not like they were forthcoming and released anything. but let me get to your question, which is donald trump's tax returns. he absolutely should not released his returns under any
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circumstances, audit or not. releasing tax returns is simply a creation of the media that decided at some time people should release their taxes. if you want to know what donald trump has done, go to manhattan, look up, see the skyline, that's what he's done. it's all there. now, what the media wants to do is have them release his taxes so for the next six weeks we can scrutinize every donation and every line item and every deduction -- >> what's wrong with that? >> nothing. >> what's wrong with that? joe consideration you answer my question? >> we need to talk about the issues? >> what's wrong with scrutinizing the tax returns? >> it a waste, don, of everybody's time with what is going on right now. we just had a segment -- >> let me ask you this. you've been talking about -- you and chris have been talking
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about the clinton foundation. you want to scrutinize everything with the clinton foundation, which i think is fair. if you're running for president, everything is fair game. why the double standard your president? you don't want to scrutinize everything from donald trump's foundation. eye been to rwanda to a very successful program to a veof th clinton foundation. what's wrong with knowing about donald trump? >> nothing. >> here's why. there was -- hillary clinton had a press conference the first one she's had in 276 days the other day. she did not get asked one question about the e-mails, the foundation, anything. the line of questioning went something -- >> they spent 20 minutes the night before answering that on national television and -- >> and she spent 18 hours in front of congress answering
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these questions. >> she was in a press gaggle, they didn't ask her a simple question. if trump -- jesus doesn't have anything to do with this at all. >> jesus is not running for president. >> i wish he were, frankly. >> the liberal left-wing media going to spend the next six weeks going over every single thing, interpreting it -- >> you're slightly right and -- i wish you guys would go back four years, go back eight years and look ought all the things you asked obama to release. you didn't object when they were calling for him to release his tax returns and you certainly weren't objecting with all this birther crap that was going on. >> first of all -- >> birth certificate -- >> okay, all three of you are talking and i can't -- anyways. thank you, gentlemen. >> i just want to be clear, i
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don't delve into the birther garbage but we still don't see a college transcript from the great constitutional professor. >> george bush didn't release his college transcripts as well. >> oh, please. >> no, here's what i'm saying. i'm saying to you there is no precedent for college transcripts. there is a precedent for people -- or people who are running for president releasing their tax returns. i'm just saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander. >> have a great weekend. >> an fbi investigation, that's unprecedented. >> this weekend cnn film presents 9/11, 15 years later. an updated look at the iconic film with the only known film inside the twin towers. coming up, donald trump says his
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voters are the silent majority but will they show up on election day?
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donald trump's silent majority pac and the son of cnn founder ted turner. how are you doing? you are a donald trump supporter. you are running the silent
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majority pac. why did you choose that name? what does it mean -- >> to get to the original part of the question, people are afraid to put a trump sign in their yard. people are afraid to wear a trump shirt. they think somebody is going to call them a racist, call them a bigot. all the stuff that the left has trumped up about trump and it really not fair. people can't speak their mind unless they're liberal in this country. >> but in all fairness, teddy, there are people on the right as well who say those things about donald trump. it's not just people on the left. you think it's fair to say that? >> well, i think -- you know, when i ran for congress and kind of learned the ropes down here a couple years ago, the hard core republicans don't like trump and the reason they don't like trump is that he's going to ruin their meal ticket. i'm not happy with the hard core republicans. most of america is not happy with the hard core republicans. i think trump is wonderful
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because he's not part of the same old same old. he's not part of the political dynasty built by the right-wing republicans and lived by the clintons. >> you just confirmed, there are republicans who will say things about donald trump. before this election the term is silent majority. made most people think of richard nixon. is that going to lead back to that in 2016. >> i don't really think it's a throwback to richard nixon. i do think it's a throwback that i came from ten years in the education business and i say, the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.
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the unsilent minority, they get their way. but it's time to take the country back and there's only juan way to do it. we've got to get conservative values in the fiscal area more than anything else because a broke country is not going to be able to do anything at all to help anybody and we're getting there quickly. we're with the silent majority. we're focusing on five states on the ground, on the air. it's a great opportunity to spread the word but the most important thing is when this election is over, the silent majority pac is not going away, the silent majority group is not going away. we're here for the long run. this is one election. it's extremely important. you're going to hear from us a lot more in the future. >> i think i was remiss, it should have been my follow-up question, do you believe because i've heard it again, the hard core conservatives in your terms, do you believe donald trump is a conservative?
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>> you know, depends. they said jane fonda was your stepmother so you can't be a conservative. you don't believe in this, you don't believe in that, you're not a conservative. he is the most conservative person in this race by far. >> there is a theory that there are a number of people who are out there who haven't been a part of the political process in the past. but they're going to be motivated to turn out, as you said, people are afraid to put signs out. do you think they're going to show up and cast votes and you think it's going to put donald trump over the top. >> when barack obama first started running for office, everybody said he was unelectable. but you saw the turnout. you saw he was a star. cnn has to fabricate the 45 people and the hillary thing to
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make it look that big. but the media in general, for trump they're sanding in line for hours. the silent majority, they're tired of the political correctness and the silliness going on. they're tired of the lying and corruption and they want new politicians. they want new people in those seats, too. they've got to turn over congress. they've got to put in term limits all across this country. we have a shot to change things and in we don't do it, i'm afraid it's all over. >> your dad started cnn. you know we don't fabricate anything like that. that is a talking point from the right or from your side. come on. >> i did spend a lot of time working for cnn behind the
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camera and editing. >> and it's a different time at cnn. >> we all look at a story a different way. ho you tell the story, you can make a crowd look big, you can make a crowd look small. >> you realize a lot of the times, though, and maybe the viewer doesn't realize this is that that's a pool camera and sometimes that pool camera is run by fox and sometimes it run by another conservative group. it not necessarily cnn is in control of that camera when you see people at a rally. i'm just saying. that's the truth. so let's talk about your pac now. >> okay. >> go ahead. you want to talk about that? >> we all see things different ways. it's just how it works. but let's talk about the pac. >> so your pac is focusing on where and how are you spending your money? >> five target markets. you know, you can't cover the whole country, you can't get everything done. there's huge pacs that we see
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that they're painting with broad strokes. but if you go to florida, if you go to north carolina, you go to virginia, you go to ohio, you go to pennsylvania, those are five states that are crucial to winning. so what we've got to do is because the hard core republican side and we're not talking about hard core conservatives, i'm talking about the party operatives, they're not helping trump. so many people have come out against trump. so we've got to back fill in those areas. we've got to get houses with people talking at dinner, get social media and tv ads going. we're trying to do this as grass roots as possible, what the republican should be doing. they don't want trump. he's ruining their plans. >> many thanks. have a great weekend. >> i hope to see you soon. >> coming up, it is the last thing you'd expect from donald trump, letting someone else speak for him. so will he finally say he is sorry for his birther claims? ♪ it's peyton.
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joining me, my panel. van, to you first. four members of trump's campaign now said they believe that president obama was born in the u.s. kellyanne conway said it, ben
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carson, rudy giuliani, why hasn't trump said it himself? >> i don't know and i wish he would. we usually try to score cheap political point on each other, we go back and forth and it's a good little scrimmage. this is really, really important. this is a deep wound for a lot of african-americans who felt like he was being delegitimageg as an african-american president. it caused a lot of pain because so often african-americans -- it's a very easy opportunity for him to step forward and say that it would heal some wounds. i don't know if it gets any votes but it would show some character. >> last night trump supporter rudy giuliani surprised many by insisting several times that trump no longer believes that obama was born outside of the u.s.
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let's listen to this. >> i want to know whether you believe that your candidate for president believes he would succeed a legitimate president or not? >> donald trump believes now that he was born in the united states. but that issue was raised originally -- >> when is he going to say that this president is legitimate? this is a fundamental question, mr. mayor. is the president of the united states legitimate or not? >> he -- >> do you believe it? if you believe it, why doesn't your candidate state it? >> i believe it, he believes it, we all believe it. >> trump has recently said he doesn't talk about it anymore, he hasn't actually said it was incorrect. it was a huge issue that donald trump promoted for years and years. does he have to say it himself? >> no, he doesn't. mark penn, the chief strategist wrote a memo questioning the roots of barack obama. >> boris, that is factually
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incorrect. >> it is not. >> it came from a supporter of hillary clinton. so go on. >> two staffers in iowa. >> fine, go ahead. >> who worked for the campaign. >> go ahead. >> hillary clinton raised the issue. she could not get an answer. >> hillary clinton raised the issue or someone -- >> hillary clinton's campaign, which she's the boss off, hillary clinton's campaign, 2008, the losing campaign which was rejected by the american people raised the issue. she did not get an answer. donald trump did get an answer that barack obama was in fact born in the united states of america, that issue is put to bed -- >> they never said he wasn't born in the united states. do you think that he should -- you don't think he should talk about it at all? >> he should talk about the issues, the compassion economy that actually face this country. >> go ahead, van. >> boris, i don't think that you're being 100% honest about what donald trump did. even after he produced -- even after president obama produced
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that birth certificate, he still questioned it, he played around with it, he acted like he wasn't sure. so he has not been as clear. also, just because hillary clinton did something or a staffer did something or a staffer's supporter's intern did something or the poodle did something, that does not make it right. it does not make sense. >> two wrongs don't make a right. >> can i give you the background, this started not with somebody in iowa, it started with the late andrew breitbart. >> it did not. >> yes, it did. he told me that very thing when he and i had a discussion. now donald trump has known for a long time now, as most everybody else knows that barack obama was born in the united states, was an american, he made the constitutional level to become president and yet trump refused to say anything about it despite
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the pain it's like anything else, this guy never apologizes for a thing. >> i don't know what conversations you had with andrew breitbart. the facts show it was started by at the very least a hillary clinton supporter who was sending e-mails around. >> i think she probably picked it up from andrew. >> but there is no evidence that -- >> there was a memo -- there was a memo from mark penn, the chief strategist of that campaign internally talking about the fact that they should hit on the fact that barack obama doesn't have american -- >> let bob make his point. >> once you had the birth certificate, it was very clear. everybody else in the country except donald trump accepted it and now all these years later, you've got eight years later. >> paris, let paris get in. >> don, at the end of the day, i view this as a distraction to the real issue that's going on with the lives of the american people, especially the african-american people. my community. now, i do believe that there are
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some to van's point that might be hurt or offended by what the birther movement, if you will, that i believe was started by clinton campaign and that mr. trump did help produce the birth certificate the president did produce for the american people. after that was done, mr. trump did not continue to raise that issue. it is only now resurfaced because mr. trump, i believe, is having serious continued engagement and is doing well with the black community in terms of polling andin ga ienga and i believe the can't campaign -- >> he raised it in iowa during the iowa caucuses. >> no, he didn't. bob, you have no proof -- >> yes, he did. >> here's the bottom line, for eight years you guys have known and you guys refused to tell the truth. >> you can talk over me all you want -- >> no, that's something that you
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guys -- >> mitt romney was at 6, mccain was at 2 and we're at 8% and growing. >> you're out of your mind. >> during the primary campaign, he told anderson cooper that he was not sure. >> he didn't raise it. he didn't raise the issue. >> and he said he didn't believe the birth certificate was accurate. >> the american people have moved on. they elected him once, they elected him twice and now we're about an election between donald trump and hillary clinton. we need to folk thus conversation and focus the rest of the time that we have up until november on those two candidates. >> paris is 100% right on that. >> let me say certainly. >> go ahead. >> paris, here's why -- look, you are correct when you say these kinds of issues can just be distractions and that there are more pressing issues. the reason why the apology, though, is important is it's a
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character issue. can you acknowledge a mistake? can you repair a bridge with a key american constituency? his failure or inability to do those things do rise to the level, i think of serious inquiry. >> so in a crazy world, hillary clinton becomes president and half of the people who were supporting donald trump she calls -- what did she say, a basket of deplorables? do you think she owes them an apology? >> she absolutely does. paris, yes, she absolutely does. i think that was a mistake. i think she was trying to signal she doesn't believe all the trump supporters were bad but the way she did it -- >> oh, come on. >> on this show tonight, van and me have both been critical of our own candidate for doing something we thought was wrong. neither one of you have taken the lead from your candidate
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join cnn for an exclusive interview with hillary clinton on 9/11. terror and national security, that is this sunday morning. 9 and noon eastern. tune in with that. back with my panel here. if you will please, please, please. it does a viewer disservice if you all talk at one time. that will make me go the presid. he employed illegal immigrants is simply incorrect. th you shouldn't bring that up and throw it out here. here is the larger issue at hand here. we're talking about the comments donald trump it and following up on what hillary clinton started in terms of of the birth certificate. but the bottom line, why is this coming out now? >> it is coming out now because he wants black voters and this is something. >> he is succeeding in getting the voters, this has been put to
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bed. we're moving october the campaign is clearing -- >> he is a legitimate president. he will talk about the real issue. 12% poverty. >> it has not been put to bed. people want him to knowledge that it was wrong. >> let's move on. in an effort not to talk over anybody here but just if i could, boris it is documented that he had undocumented workers but more than that, you know that the justice department took donald trump and his father to court for not allowing blacks to live in their apartments in queens and they lost? >> and bob -- >> that is the kind of thing that -- bob, i also know when reverend jackson needed office space for the rainbow push coalition, donald trump did that and he was on record praising him for his diversity. so let's be honest about his whole history. >> this is a circular argument.
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we'll go down into the worm hole. two dozen photos were released at the presidential library of donald trump socializing, looking chump, donald trump with the clinton folks there. what do you think of this? what do you think of these pictures? >> well, listen it seems like melania and donald trump were very happy to welcome president clinton. donald trump has always said as a successful businessman, he supported politicians on both sides of the aisle. that is what i make of the pictures. i do have to say this, bob beckel, you're historically incorrect that the donald trump organization were never proven to commit any wrong doing in the '70s nor do they agree they committed any wrong doing. that is incorrect. >> moving on. these pictures -- >> i think these photos show that mr. trump is capable of working on both sides of the aisle and being diplomatic like he shows his dilplomacy of going
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down mexico to talk to the president. you want relationships with people and comfortable having relationships on both sides of the aisle that will negotiate and get things done for the american people once and for all. i don't think the photos are anything but what they are showing that donald trump has relationships with people. >> if you want to know what we're talking about, our drew griffin and investigative unit did a great take. randy kaye did a take out, the illegal workers, blacks not being allowed in donald trump's properties you can see the fact checks by the talented correspondents. google, go on cnn.com. these pictures were taken in 2000 when president clinton visited trump tower at the u.s. open. trumps and clintons share a history here. they look friendly. do you think this will make a difference or it is much a do about nothing. >> i don't think it will make much of a difference. it makes them both look bad.
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ordinary people look at this stuff and there you go, the big elites, the people at the top of the society. they get on tv and fuss and fight but behind the closed doors they're buddy buddy. kids go to all of the fancy schools and they scratch each other's backs. i don't know if releasing it makes one look bad or the other. they both look bad and part of what we don't deal with is if there is a deep, deep discontent in the country. black folks with black lives matters, the sanders supporters, the trump people, the native americans fighting back now in the dakotas. there is a deep discontent and a lot of what is going on is, a lot of people's point of view, are the politics of distract and divide and both parties now, i think are deeply into that as opposed to figure out what we're trying to do to get jobs for people and these pictures remind folks that guess what, there is an elite. all of the people will be fine but you and your family may not. we have a lot of work to do in this country. i think those pictures make both
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of them look terrible. >> the one nuance there is this, donald trump has always been honest about who he is honest about his success. forth coming. the clintons have made themselves, they're obviously not. they made $250 million off what? off nothing that they've made. >> quickly, i have to go. >> mr. beckel made a very important point and you haven't responded to it yet, boris. both of us are very willing to honestly criticize and honestly praise hillary clinton and yet no trump supporters, including yourself seem ever to be willing to say anything negative about donald trump. can you say anything critical about donald trump tonight. >> that is it. thank you. we'll be right back.
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