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that does it for us, thanks for watching, i'll see you tomorrow night. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. breaking news, hillary clinton talks exclusively to cnn about her health scare. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. hillary clinton takes a sick day and told cnn this. >> i'm now taking my doctor's advice, which was given to me on friday which i ignored, to just take some time to get over pneumonia completely. >> and billion clinton tells cbs this. >> rarely but on more than one occasion over the last many many years the same sort of thing's happened to her, when she got severely dehydrated.
>> she'll release more detailed medical records, how much do voters need to know. donald trump blasts clinton over her basket of deplorables remark. >> never in history has a candidate so viciously demonized the american voter. >> a trump supporter is caught on camera appearing to attack a protester. we want to get to all of that this evening. gloria bore ger is with me. and douglas brinkley. it's good to have all of you on this evening. sanjay, you heard hillary clinton's interview with anderson earlier about her health stumble a few minutes ago. she should have stayed home, should not have gone out for five days. listening to that interview, what can you assess, how bad is this. >> following the doctor's orders, i think it's a good idea. she should have done that.
>> it's important to point out that that -- looking at that video, it's hard to watch frankly, it's very noticeable that she's having difficulty. it's also important to point out as shuf seen about an hour and a half later, there's a video of her coming out of chelsea clinton's apartment waiving to reporters, whatever it was, whatever caused this was pretty temporary, pretty short lived. we subsequently learned it took some time for this to come out, that she had pneumonia. it was diagnosed on friday. putting that together with the weather that day, apparently it was pretty hot out, the 34kss she's taking, it could make someone dehydrated to the point where they're not feeling well. >> what do you make of her explanation. >> she's saying the same thing now that the campaign eventually said. i was following that story all day on sunday. in the beginning it was she became overheated. and it's due to medications she's taking. eventually they came out and
said it's the pneumonia. it's possible. in these types of situations, we're always dealing with limited information, anything we say is going to be speculative. her doctor has said it was pneumonia, she has said it earlier to anderson, it was pneumonia. the campaign has said it. there's no reason, given that the doctor has said this, not to believe it. >> such a scary word. >> i want to bring gloria in and get more people on the panel. you have an opinion piece out, which i thought was fascinating about the whole issue. >> she didn't think that her pneumonia was going to be a big deal. all these conspiracy theorys sur rounding herle th, does that make sense to you? >> i did a double take when i heard her say that, because my feeling was, she had to have some sense that this was going to be used by the trump campaign against her, that he has been
talking about her stamina and lack of energy this entire campaign. if i were hillary clinton and sitting there, i would be thinking about what the trump campaign would do with that. and campaign that with her normal penchant to retreat and keep things private over the years. i thought it was the candidate that said, i'm going to deal with it, i'm going to work through it, we're not going to have to say a word to anybody, because nobody will know. i think it would have been easier for her, of course, hindsight is everything to tell everyone on friday, that would have explained a lot of things, it would have explained the could having. she could have said guess what, the doctor told me i've been walking around with pneumonia, so i have to take care of myself for a couple days. >> the cover-up is always worse than the crime. this whole episode has raised questions about her transparency. >> doesn't your handling of this
in your campaigns, the refusal to acknowledge what happened. until after that video was circulated, confirm you're not transparent or trustworthy? >> oh, my goodness anderson. you know, compare everything you know about me with my opponent, i think it's time he met the same level of disclosure i have for years. you know, you've got a a medical report on me that meets the same standard as mitt romney and barack obama. donald trump's doctor said he would be the healthiest president in history. that's just not even serious. i've released 40 years of tax returns, he hasn't released one. this is a man with unknown numbers of partners and investors who says he's doing 120 foreign deals. the american people deserve to know what he's up to and what he's hiding. if we weren't fast enough, i talked to my staff, we take
responsibility for that, but the information is out there. you can't say the same thing about donald trump. >> this whole -- you know, a lot of the arguments surrounding this campaign has been one of transparency. is she being held to a higher standard? >> i think she is. people -- largely because of the e-mails, i mean, the fact that she was in government a second of state, and had that alternative servers caused her endless problems, she doesn't seem able to get that albatross behind her. however, there does seem at times that trump gets a free pass, he kind of bullies his way through the news cycle. you know, the idea that he's -- this far along, maybe going to become president without releasing his taxes, the fact that he has a foundation that the washington post is reporting seems like empty coffers, the fact that trump university is one of the big time scams in
recent american political history. but it doesn't seem to stick to him, he's always on the offense, and i feel hillary clinton's off and on the defense, she needs to get out after she heals and really try to bring some fun and joy to her campaign and go for broke. she's up in the polls by about five points. i think if she could bring a fun factor to what she's doing, it would go a long ways, and meanwhile, maybe some journalists will find some things on trump as we head into the first debate. >> i thought what you said to the producer, it's a marathon running for president, you can't collapse at this juncture. there's a reason fdr was never photographed in a wheelchair, it's a cause for concern when you're running for president. >> well, absolutely, and people want to know everything right now.
we're a very hungry information driven society, the idea that you can have pneumonia on friday and nobody's going to find out about it, that's utterly ridiculous. somehow the word would get out. but she didn't really do anything wrong, we're all praying for her to get better and get back into the game. calling in anderson cooper was a great move. i think even if she's prone in bed tomorrow, she should do some interviews and stay active. >> i was watching your -- you had a piece on anderson, you talked about her history of health issues. in 1998. is it a cause for concern that she said, several occasions she felt dehydrated, she's dizzy. is that a cause for concern? >> well, it's interesting, she really said -- she sort of thought about it when anderson asked her, and she said twice it's happened that i can recall. >> that's right.
the one time obviously now, and i think she's referring back to 2012. i mean, i think what the 2012 incident was she fell and hit her head, developed a blood clot, there was cause for concern. patients need to be monitored, evaluated, and according to the medical letter we got, which is just two pages, it did talk about this, she was re-evaluated and there was no long term impact on the blaine, the blood clot had resolved. so, yeah, there's concern, but at least within her medical note, it's not a full record, at least within the note, it's taubed about those concerns and what was done to assess those concerns and it seems to have resolved. >> she will release more detailed information. >> not complete, but more. >> i want to get to you, jim, you are covering a trump campaign ramally. what can you tell us about some
tense moments? >> it's not too surprising. this is a fairly democratic city and conservative part of north carolina. we saw a clash play out, during donald trump's remarks, a supporter was clearly irritated with a group of protesters around him, and he started hitting and punching and choking even one of the protesters, he was around eventually at one point these protesters were let out of this rally, don. as far as we can tell, the supporter never left and was not arrested by authorities. >> interesting. also at that rally, he talked about this now infamous basket of deplorables remark, what did he say? >> yeah, this is the gift basket that keeps on giving as far as the trump campaign is concerned. he latched on to that comment again, accusing hillary clinton of running a campaign of hatred. at one point during the rally, he invited some of his
supporters on stage to say they're not deplorable. here's more of what donald trump had to say at this rally tonight. >> she called the americans every name in the book, racist, sexist, islam phobic, they were not even american. anybody xenophobic. i don't think so. i don't think so. never in history has a major party presidential candidate so viciously demonized the american voter. >> and don we should point out, just to clarify what donald trump has said there, hillary clinton never said that his supporters were not even american as he put it, during the rally tonight. he just simply took that one too far, in terms of being xenophobic, he's been accused of that time again throughout this campaign, if you look back to his -- the launch of his
campaign, when he talked about mexican immigrants being rainists and drug dealers and criminals and so forth. those were deemed to be xenophobic remarks by a lot of people in this country. >> transparency in this campaign. donald trump's campaign is calling for transparency. does that extend to taxes do you think? >> they haven't been talking about releasing his taxes, in so far as i can tell, donald trump has no intention of doing that. the way hillary clinton is trying to sort of get out of this mess she's in on a lot of levels here is that she's trying to turn this issue on its head and talk about donald trump's transparency, as she said to anderson earlier this evening, and this is true, it is a fact that she has released more of her health records than donald trump has. he's released one letter from his gastroenterologyist and says
he's going to have a physical and release the results of that. she's saying, okay, i've been more transparent than he has, and i intend to release more records. taking it a step further to his tax returns which he has not released. she said tonight that donald trump has made 120 foreign deals, what is he hiding. and that's a clear point she wants to make, you may know what deals he was making if you could see his tax returns. this is going to be an issue continues. she didn't help herself by not letting the public know about her pneumonia. in the grand scheme of things, this is small potatoes compared to the decision that americans have to make about a president being transparent. >> always a pleasure, thank you very much. don't miss gloria borger's
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donald trump taking aim at hillary clinton tonight over her basket of deplorables remark, that as a trump supporter clashes with protesters, here to discuss, betsy mccoy. new york times op ed contributor. kabc talk radio host and trunlp supporter, thank you for coming on. i want everyone's reaction to this video showing a trump supporter grabbing a protester by the neck. should he have been allowed to stay at that rally. >> i don't think violent protesters should ever be allowed to disrupt an event regardless who's speaking. the first amendment is designed to protect not just protesters, but the people who have come to deliver a political message to the audience. >> what do you think, charles?
>> i only see one person being aggressive there, whoever is being aggressive should be removed. and what we keep seeing is these particular kinds of incidents at his rallies, that has to be examined separate and apart from any other candidate. not just the democratic candidate, but all the other republican candidates, we didn't see this, there's something particular about donald trump that allows this to fester. >> hillary, was that you laughing? >> it was me. >> why is that? >> i think when we sort of pretend that there is equivalence here, people at the clinton rallies are hurting protesters or they're holding up signs that are racist or they're booing people for their religion or they're mocking people for
their sexual orientation, that does not happen. to suggest it would be bad no matter what happens, sorry, the trump team needs to be a little more honest about their own supporters, and that's why people are calling them out, including hillary clinton. >> we're going to discuss that whole basket of deplorables. i want to get john phillips. >> the violence is a part of that too. >> john, i want to get your reaction first. >> the reason you don't see in a happen at hillary rallies, conservatives don't infiltrate and disrupt the rallies often. >> those people should have been removed because they were there too disrupt the event. now, if that trump protester assaulted them, he should have been removed too. there's never a reason to put your hands on someone else, that should have been left up to the
security. >> we don't know if the person was disrupting, if they're a liberal or a conservative, at democratic rallies, black lives matter, they are liberal as well. >> i would be willing to put money they're not conservative. >> you could be right, i have no idea. >> they're not getting beaten up, though. >> hillary clinton says
she regrets saying half of the trump supporters fall into the basket of deplorables. does that stop trump from slamming her on it. >> speaking to wealthy donors, hillary clinton called tens of millions of americans deplorable. >> the racist, sexist, homophobic, islam phobic, you name it. >> people like you, you and you.
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what's deplorable? hillary clinton viciously demonizing hardworking people like you. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> we all remember what happened to mitt romney with the 47% support. is this as big a gap for hillary clinton? >> no. and right away, she was clear she overgeneralized. the difference clearly is that what we have seen is really bad behavior and donald trump not condemning it, this faux outrage all of a sudden hurts donald trump's rallies? >> give me a break. he's spent his entire campaign insulting his way into the poles, he's lived on it, breathed on it, he feeds on it. it's crazy that this is all of a
sudden now, we're going to think that because he's reading someone else's words from a teleprompter that he finds it so upsetting? >> it's not donald trump's feelings that are hurt, this statement skeweded disdain for americans everywhere, it was the typical hollywood wall street journal looking down on the rest of america it was a kind of awful elitism, a disrespect for the values and way of life for most americans. >> it was condemning racism, condemn i condemning. >> it was con demming the things that happen in the campaign. >> may i finish? >> let me point out the racism i see in this campaign. whenever african-americans are addressed, the big issue is
avoided. the economic issue, as if they can't understand it or it doesn't apply to them, when in fact, under this obama/clinton economy that's limping along, african-americans have been hurt the worst, more african-americans were in poverty than eight years ago, more african-americans were on food stamps. here is donald trump offering an economic plan that will produce 4% growth, compared with mrs. clinton's plan that will push us back into a recession. african-americans have the most to gain, neither mrs. clinton nor the media focus on that. >> can i say that none of that is true? >> none of that is true. >> let him finish. >> you let me finish and i'll let you finish. donald trump has not put forth a real solid plan that directly addresses anything about the african-american community. all he has done is pander in front of african-americans so he
can get white women to vote for him. that's the only thing that donald trump has done. that itself is a form of big anothertry, that kind of pandering is a form of bigotry, and let me be super clear about something. there are bigots in this country. there are sexists, there are xeno phobes in this country. they're everywhere, they vote too. some of them will vote for any candidate, some of them will vote for hillary clinton, the big difference is whether or not you are going to pinch that population or they will have to vote for you in spite of you condemning them. donald trump is going to actively court that population of people, and that is a huge difference, and we cannot pretend that difference does not exist.
>> john? >> i don't understand the politics of what she was trying to do with this. you go back to those three weeks donald trump had after the conventions. what happen ed he was feuding with the khan family, cnn. he was feuding with a bunch of people that were not hillary clinton. what hillary clinton has done in the last few weeks is repeated those mistakes, she feuded with matt lauer and now trump supporters. i don't understand what she's trying to do with this. >> you want to talk about the basket of deplorables. we'll talk about that on the other side of this break. none of that is true. donald trump is pandering to white women by saying he's offering a plan to african-americans. >> i would like to address that. donald trump has put forward a
plan for school choice. african-american students need school choice. they are the victims of failing innercity schools. whereas the democratic platform, and mrs. clinton who has been endorsed do not support school choice, instead they adhere to the same old platform of unions controlling the schools, teachers being paid based on seniority rather than merit. there is nothing more tragic than a child being trapped in a school with a failing teacher. >> i need to get to the break. i'll let charles respond after this. don't go anywhere. ♪ (heart beat) ♪ (water splashing) (rain drops)
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anything from rebates, to how can we be more efficient? pg&e has a number of programs, to help schools save on energy. when i see a program that fits them, then i bring it to them. with the help of pg&e we've been able to save a tremendous amount of energy and a tremendous amount of money. we're able to take those savings and invest it right back into the classroom. together, we're building a better california. betsy was addressing donald trump's plan, part of which was for charter schools. the number of people who believe negative stereotypes about african-americans as polled by
reuters, the percentage of those that are donald trump supporters is so far out of line compared to those who support other candidates. here is the problem with that, mark twain once said, no man can be comfortable without his own approval. people who hold these believes have to make themselves believe they don't hold them so they can be comfortable with their own bigotry. the truth does not hide the truth is not afraid, the truth is not quiet, the truth roars, people are startles when they're not used to hearing that truth. >> i'd like to address this, i took a look at that reuters pole, i also found i have it right here, that a large
percentage of mrs. clinton supporters also held those negative views. what's interesting in addition is that other polls have found that african-americans have strongly negative views about whites, my view is, instead of pointing a finger of blame at any of these groups, that's not going to solve the problem. we have to start talking to one another without this kind of hostility and accusations of racism, when i see mrs. clinton campaigning across the country, she's stoking this racial animosity, telling african-american audiencing, that's not the answer. >> that is the true. >> whether or not it's the truth is a different thing. you want her to start talking. what you're basically saying, you want her to start talking as
if she'd not going to tell the truth, donald trump in that poll that's in your hand right now, it's a problem with white people having anti-black biases in general. >> and con tremendous versecy. >> they have an anti-black bias issue, more of those people are supporting donald trump than any other candy date that reuters polled. what candidates have to determine is whether or not they're going to allow those people to support them in spite of them condemning that behavior or whether or not, they're going to pitch their message to those people or they're going to cozy up to white supremacists and whether or not his surrogates are going to come on television and make excuses for that. >> i want to get hillary in. >> i would like to see our
candidates address all voters regardless of their race, with the same messages, economic growth, stronger defense, a united america, and when i see mrs. clinton address an african-american audience, and tell them she wants whites to show more humility, that troubles me, that's not the right way to be. >> you realize when it comes to race in america, black is -- it's not always the opposite, it's not always equal, blacks have negative negative perceptions of whites. >> yes, but skpek economics -- >> i look at you i see a white woman. people look at me, they see a black man.
a color-blind society, is that what we really want here? >> well, i think we want a society of opportunity. betsy is missing charles' point. you want a candidate to talk about our better angels. you want a candidate who is saying despite how you may feel about society, i am going to call out racism, homophobia, if you want to support me, that's fine, i'm not going to support your views, that's the piece that hillary clinton is saying, and so what she's done this week with donald trump, hillary clinton has a very strong history of bringing people together. betsey knows and it frustrated her at the time. she had high approval ratings among republicans and independents, she has been
someone who works across the aisle. when she goes out there and says, listen, i'm not going to campaign like donald trump is, i'm not going to divide people, i'm going to say, we have to come together, that's what we need to hear, but this week, i'm a lesbian, when donald trump this week goes to phyllis schaffley's funeral and has cheers and cheers in his audiences, that's divisive and deplorable. that's what hillary clinton is talking about. >> john, quicklyp i have to get to the break. >> in europe, they have a parliamentary system where the nuts have their own parties. here we have two parties. you will go to a hillary clinton
rally and find people that believe george bush took down the towers on 9/11. we're not voting on the candidate's supporters, we're voting on the candidates. >> trump's pushing those people. >> you guys have a lot of people that are supporting hillary that are nuts too. >> we're going to continue when we come back. is donald trump as charitable as he says. or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions? your personal success takes a financial partner who values it as much as you do. learn more at tiaa.org
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donald trump is not shy about putting his name on things. when it comes to the charity that bears his name, things may not be what they seem. back with me now. david, to you first, a cnn review of donald trump a's tax filings shows this, that trump has not given money to his own foundation in the last eight years, instead trump got
individual donations. wwe gave him a million dollars. he donates other people's money and the charity takes the credit. >> first reported by me, way ahead of all of this. >> how does that work? >> other people give to donald's foundation, it's a form of legal kickback, the guy who sells his ties made in china, gives money to it, the mcmahon's when he was doing world wrestling federation events at the casinos when he owned them. they would make contributions, donald wouldn't make a contribution because he in all likelihood pays no federal tax or little federal tax. >> let me read this before you respond. here's what the post writes. nearly all of its money comes from people other than trump, and tax records, the last gift
from trump was in 2008. since then, all of the donations have been other people's money. is this why he wasn't release his taxes? >> not at all. we could get to the taxes in a minute. what he's doing is using his name, his contacts to raise a lot of money, and then he gives it out. the united way does the same thing, there are plenty of foundations that use their clout, raise money, and give it to good causes. in fact the clinton foundation does it that way too. >> is this why he won't release his taxes? >> not at all. if i were advising donald trump which i'm not. i would strongly advise him not to release his taxes. because if he does, the rest of this campaign will be spent picking apart his tax returns and particularly demagoguing the fact that it is likely he pays a
far lower tax rate than hillary clinton. and in fact, why? >> because everyone who's a politician pays the top rate, they're blabbers, they make their money getting speeches and then their government paycheck, builders have investment tax credits, property tax deductions, depreciation allowances, these are all legitimate deductions congress created. he understands that hillary clinton's going to demagogue it. >> he could have done that a year ago, we wouldn't spend the rest of the time. we wouldn't be talking about it at all probably by now. >> look at the way she's criss-crossing the country wagging her finger saying she wants korpgs to pay their fair share. >> betsy doesn't believe that people running for president should not -- you don't think they should release their health records as well? >> i don't. >> do you agree with what she said here. >> i do not agree with anything my new friend betsy just said.
i don't. of course candidates should release their health records. >> current health records, i said health history. >> i don't know where the line is, and as for taxes, there's no law that requires donald trump to release his taxes. but it is the current way that our candidates go about releasing information about them. and in the last hour i note that cory luan dow ski said he doesn't have to release his tax records he releases his net worth statement and we should be happy with that. that's not even remotely the same thing. and about that net worth statement where he claimed to be worth 10 billion. he's never released anything that would justify him being worth 10 or $11 billion. his income tax statements would help us understand his real net worth. >> by the way, i have to say something, you said the clinton foundation did the same thing. the clintons personally gave 1
million last year. >> the clintons hide. wait a minute, i want to get into this issue about his taxes. >> they give a million dollars, we don't know about donald trump, he won't release his tachs. >> there's incredibly strong evidence that he cheated on his taxes in 1984 and i suspect other years. he said he had zero income in his consulting business and $600,000 of expenses. he got auds ited and appealed. gee, that's my signature, but i didn't prepare that tax return. did you do his tax return, be y betsy? that's a very strong badge of fraud, and donald as i point out in my book, he's engaged in sales tax fraud, not paying
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we're talking about transparency on the campaign trail. my guests here made the accu significance that he believes donald trump committed tax fraud about. >> that's a harsh accusation. congress passed a law specifying what disclosures candidates should make. it's not up to cnn or other people to say what it is. if candidates should be disclosing more, candidates could change the law. the financial disclosure tells us more about a candidate's financial condition. >> not donald's -- >> no, it doesn't. >> excuse me, let me finish. all 185 listings, somebody earlier on the show said, well, we want to know who his business partners are -- >> i understand that why not
release the tax return. this is mike pence today, play this. >> as i travel around the country, i know members of the media are interested in this. i don't hear a lot of people talking about tax returns, they're talking about the future of the country, wanting to see a stronger america at home and the reason more and more americans are being drawn to this campaign. the reason you see the strong numbers in the polls -- >> we're not going to get any information about his taxes until the audit is complete including earlier years when those audits were complete? >> i think that's the right answer, but again i just want to tell you, this is not what the american people are talking about. >> tax experts have said that is not an excuse, that you -- it's not a viable excuse. mike pence saying, voters don't
care about it. it's important that candidates reloose their taxes. trump should release his taxes. if it's the will of the american people for them to do it, what he's saying is not true. it's not true. if you're running for president, as gloria bore ger said today. she was writing regarding donald trump, when you decide to run for president, your life becomes an open book. everyone who runs knows that seekcy is not an option. >> the rest of this campaign will be focused on his taxes. i want to know what my future tax returns, my future reported income is going to look like, there are only some 58 days left, and you haven't spent any time yet, not you personally, but cnn in general, and the other networks have spent no time on the economic issues facing voters. if he releases his tax returns, it's going to be, she he have paid 22%.
24%. >> what's wrong with that. >> the american public is very smart, the viewer is smart, the voter is smart. it's probably an educational, it's a good lesson for the american people to see if the tax code works. and if it needs to be revamped. >> i'm not sure that would be the lessen, the fact is when you have a builder running. those deductions are incentivize ed -- >> what's the -- >> that's not the case. and furthermore, you know, there are issues we should be talking about donald that are not. how he went to bat for a major cocaine trafficker and plead for mercy for him. >> how about mrs. clinton. >> let me finish. he cut off medical care for a sickly infant over money. those are the issues we should be talking about, they go to his character.
>> go for it. >> that's it. yeah. >> i'd like to be talking about mrs. clinton's ideas to push more money into the economy. >> you want to talk about that. you want people to know about that, but not know about, if you're in real estate, you can get a lower tax rate. >> of course, people do know what the tax code says. >> all right. >> you're teasing me, i can tell. >> full transparency, that's how it works. why hillary clinton says she didn't think her pneumonia would be a big deal. i am rich.
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hillary clinton speaks exclusively to cnn about her health scare. the candidate says she's recovering at home tonight and promises to get back out on the trail soon. bill clinton says hillary clinton has a history of occasionally becoming severely dehydrated. do voters deserve to know more about her health. what about her calling trump supporters a basket of deplorables. that could cost her in november. why she just didn't think it was going to be a big deal.