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we count down to the first presidential debate. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. as the race tightens we're learning more about hillary clinton and her diagnosis, while trump reveals new information with tv's dr. oz, and says this in ohio tonight. >> i don't know, folks, you think hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this? i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> plus, have you ever wondered what colin powell, what he really thinks? now we know courtesy of his leaked e-mails, calling donald trump a national disgrace and an international pariah. that hurts. and what does he say about hillary clinton, quote, everything hrc touches she kind of screws up with hubris. and that's not all he says. we've got more tonight. so here to discuss all of this is cnn politics exterior, mark
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preston, and jeffrey lord, and curt eichenwald, author of "500 days, secrets and lies in the terror wars." he says 500 days. 55 days. >> that's it. >> 55 more days. mark, i want to start with these brand-new polls from the battleground states. donald trump is ahead in florida three points and donald trump is five points ahead of hillary clinton. good news for trump, what do these numbers say about the electoral map and getting to the road to 270? >> 55 days left and this is a trend we've seen in the last couple of weeks. hillary clinton came out of the convention eight points up nationally. we had a cnn poll that showed that had evaporated and of course that is lagging in the state polls. here's the problem for hillary clinton, specifically in florida and ohio, first of all for voters that are under 45 years old,
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these are supposed to be clinton voters in the state of ohio, it's a wash right now. that is not good for her. in the state of florida, she's only up six points. let's take a step back though. the fact is if the election were held today, she would still win. she does not need to win florida and ohio and the reason being is democrats have done well in the states out west. >> okay. so she's expected to be back on the campaign trail tomorrow, of course she suffered this bout and is still suffering with pneumonia. she released new medical information today. is it fair to say we now have more information on hillary clinton as a -- you know in regards to medical records and taxes than we do on donald trump? >> we do until we see what -- what donald trump releases tomorrow. but look, the bottom line is neither candidate is expected to meet the mccain standards certainly on health records. we're -- you know this prison of war who had cancer, allowed reporters in and including sanjay gupta to look at the
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history of his health. neerd candidate is willing to do that. and i don't think we're going to ever see donald trump's taxes. >> we have decades of clinton taxes. we have her more detailed records. is the pressure on for donald trump to meet that standard? we have 0 of his taxes. >> and i keep saying i don't think he should release them. i think at this point every president of the united states up until richard nixon didn't release taxes, not that george washington had to deal with income tax. >> a long time ago. are you saying something about me, don? >> yes, the world is a different place. there was no internet and cell phone. phones had dials back then. there were cords. >> i -- i just think that what we've got here is this has turned into a political gotcha game for all the candidates. release your taxes and we're going to focus on one thing over here and we're going to make the most of this and run for it. i don't think it serves any purpose anymore. i couldn't -- >> you have -- you want hillary clinton to release or medical records? >> the medical records may be a little bit different. in all candor, i don't think releasing medical records will be anywhere graphic near the
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photos of her incident. >> curt, i've been wanting to talk to you. everyone is arguing over your cover for "newsweek," and its ties to foreign businesses and governments. you said u.s. foreign policy is at risk and if trump is elected we could see legal bribery of an american president. tell us what americans should be most concerned about? >> i want to start off by pointing out -- this goes right to the heart of what jeffrey lord is talking about, is let's keep things secret. we don't need to tell you, here's some of the stuff that we would see in donald trump's taxes, that people are not aware of. there is money that is coming to mr. trump through a series of hundreds of partnerships, many of them that have partners overseas, partners who are not disclosed. i had to work to find each of these people, each of these organizations in 15 countries and these partners have interest
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that often run directly contrary to the national security interest of the united states. so the result of donald trump not showing his taxes, more important, donald trump not showing who his partners are, is the american people are going to have to stand back with a man we don't know about his health, we don't know about his finances, we don't know about his business, and he's just going to say, trust me, i won't act in my financial interest even though it conflicts with national security interest of the united states. >> jeffrey, is that what he's hiding, these foreign connections? is that why he won't release his tax returns? >> you have seen the taxes jeffrey. >> no, i haven't seen the taxes. >> then how do you know what he's hiding. >> we have had other political families, the kennedys. >> the kennedys did not operate a private company while they were -- while john kennedy -- he did not operate a private company while he was united
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states president. >> the kennedys fueled their enterprises -- their political enterprises with money from the merchandise mart in chicago. >> so what? >> so what? we're talking about a man that's president of the united states with overseas -- >> curt if you're going to go in the conflict of interest root then the kennedys had plenty of them. i worked for late senator john heinz. all over the world, the whole heinz food thing, which he personally profited from, are you saying that my -- that john heinz had a conflict of interest? >> go ahead, curt? >> was john kennedy getting paid money by the political figures, by -- for example, let's take aseh bajan the son of the minister, a senior government official, is a donald trump partner. that senior government official, american intelligence believes that he's been engaged in laundering money for the iranian military.
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did john kennedy do that? is donald trump going to act in the interest of the partner or is he going to act in the interest of the united states? >> no one accused john kennedy of this because they didn't care in those days. under the kind of rules you're playing -- >> jeffrey, you're simply lying. >> -- playing are right now, john kennedy would not have been able to be elected president. >> it's a different world now. there are different standards. there was no e-mail to hack back then. >> what was the standard? >> the american people set the standard. >> it's beyond that. he's trying to obfuscate what's going on here. this is nothing in the kennedy experience that is anything like what would bey talking about here. donald trump has partners all over the world through the trump organization. they're not disclosing them. i found a bunch of them. they're in my reported newsweek, you can see what their conflicts
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are and john kennedy didn't have anything like this going on. no president in history has had -- let's not start talking about the clintons. let's stay on top. >> the clinton to you, jeffrey is -- >> there has never been a president in the history of the united states, who has had these kinds of conflicts of interest. >> okay, so then -- >> and we can address the actual topic or we can play the clintons kennedys, i'm rubber and you're glue, we ask start discussing reality. >> jeffrey, would you have wanted the kennedys to reveal the sort of information so the public could make their own assessment, that is the question? >> i don't think it was relevant then. we got through the kennedy administration. i don't think it was relevant. >> you don't think it's relevant? >> what we're saying is if you're a billionaire with a global concern going, you should never be president of the united states, that's what we're saying. >> you're absolutely wrong. you can be president of the united states just like anybody else but you have to decide, is your family going to be in
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business or they're going to be -- or are you going to be president? are you going to set up a system where you can be paid by russian oligarchs, or are you going to be president of the united states? donald trump can be president of the united states or his family can have an ownership in the trump organization. if they want to sever that relationship and end that conflict of interest, i have no concerns. if they want to try and do both, which is exactly what they're saying they're going to do, donald trump is talking about in nonsense of putting the trump organization in a blind trust managed by his children. a blind trust is supposed to be independent and it's supposed to be a portfolio of investments. we'll all know it's in the blind trust. >> remarkable. if he wants to sever his relationship, we're done. no problem. if he doesn't, big problems. >> what donald trump has said
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over and over again has offered very few details but has said, that he would take a step back, his three children, his four children i suppose, would be -- would oversee the corporation as we know it right now. the problem can the corporation is we don't really know how it's all set up. it's not set up as one big corporation, it's set up as multiple, multiple, multiple. >> aren't these the same people who should say the clinton organization should be shut down? >> interestingly, yes. >> they don't think it should be handled differently, isn't that a double standard? >> the clinton foundation problems stem from her time as secretary in state. she was holding an office. >> this is completely different. we're talking about the difference between people giving money to a charity -- >> she was playing a role -- >> i can please finish? we're talking about a person -- we're talking about an entity that receives money and spends 90% of that money on charitable efforts. these are not comparable. this is a partnership with donald trump with the money going into the pockets of the trump family.
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>> or the clinton family. where do you think these speech invitations came from? >> it's going from donald trump's new limousine. >> i -- i mean look, i don't know -- donald trump's wealth is so well established out there. he's been a public figure for heaven's sake for 40, 50 years, whatever it is. this is silly. no one is going to buy into this unless -- unless -- >> what's the to hide? >> unless you are a die-hard hillary supporter and you are. >> i don't support either of them because that's not my role, but the american public deserves to know about who is running for president, the person they're going to choose. >> but he's not going to be running his company when he's president of the united states. >> it doesn't matter. he will still be a beneficiary, and so will his children. >> so again let me say, so was my boss, john heinz, the heir to the heinz ketchup fortune. >> who cares? >> who cares? he was the united states senator getting money from all over the world from heinz global enterprises. >> we're talking about a public company versus a private
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enterprise with secret partners all over the world who are in government. read the piece, jeffrey, because you clearly haven't. >> i have it right here. here it is right here. thank you very much, everyone. >> then why are you pretending it says things it doesn't. thank you, all. when we come back, one washington's insider's opinions from donald trump and hillary clinton's revelations from colin powell's leaked e-mails. whatcha' doin?
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colin powell denouncing hillary clinton for what he calls hubris, posting his personal e-mails on line. the story tonight from cnn's global affairs correspondent, alice lavin. >> it's an unfacilitated side of the former secretary of state. so far he's has avoided picking sides in the presidential race and we see from his hacked e-mails he's not thrilled about either candidate. >> we want to see one debate. >> he's been pretty quiet during the presidential campaign, but former secretary of state colin powell is not holding back about the candidates. in e-mails posted to the site dc leaks, powell describes donald trump as a, quote, national disgrace and pariah. the e-mails are real. the retired four-star general and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff slams what he calls a racist crusade over president obama's birth certificate.
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lampooning this prediction. >> at the end of the four years i guarantee you i'll get over 95% of the african-american vote. i promise you. >> a skitzo fantasy, and powell is lukewarm about hillary clinton, writing a friend in 2015, everything hillary rodham clinton touches she kind of screws up with hubris. i'd rather not have to vote for her, although she's a friend i respect powell said, criticizing clinton's unbridled ambition calling her greedy and added insult to her marriage to bill clinton and talked about being dragged into the e-mail scandal, powell, according to one e-mail to a friend told clinton staff
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three times not to try that gambit and threw what he called a mini tantrum at a hampton's party to get their attention n. an interview last month, clinton was on damage control. >> he was incredibly gracious and helpful after i was nominated and before i took the job. >> but powell dismissed the republican fire storm against clinton over the 2012 attacks in benghazi as a stupid witch hunt, who didn't involve her or chris steven who was killed. in an e-mail to condoleezza rice, adding blame also rests on his leaders in washington, and yes, hrc. rice responded, completely agree. >> these leaks came from dc leaks on the same day a hacker by the 2.0 released more information from the democratic committee. experts pointed to russian state elements behind those dnc leaks no word on the hacking of the e-mails. up next, the impact hackers
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are having on both sides of this presidential election. .
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former secretary of state, colin powell, his personal e-mails leaked on line, calling donald trump a national disgrace and blasting hillary clinton for hubris. the author of "security mom," and good to have you, kevin, you first. before we dig into the content of these e-mails i want to ask you about the impact in general hacking is having on this election, because it's totally unchartered territory. >> it is, and a lot of people are looking at this election and seeing -- there's many new things that have happened in this election. i think this is one of them. but it also brings into play, the idea there are outside forces at work in this election. so many americans believed our democracy was more secure around the world and now because we see nefarious actors outside of the
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united states having an impact on that, many people are i think paying closer attention to some of the news incidents and some of the reports about these hackers around the world who may be trying to effect the election. >> colin powell endorsed barack obama over mitt romney and said i would rather not have to vote for her, meaning hillary clinton, although she is a friend i respect, saying everything she touches she kind screws up with hubris of the there are many republicans who feel the same way, right? >> yeah, i think anybody who is reading the actual content of the e-mails, i think i'd be surprised anybody would be surprised. the national security and foreign policy, community has been very harsh, and it's descriptions and assessments of donald trump and what he said during this campaign, so i think that is -- i think that it's
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come to light is actually news, but it doesn't surprise me that colin powell would hold an assessment that is by and large by many inside the national foreign policy community. >> so julia, an exchange between colin powell and condoleezza rice. it was about benghazi. they supported her sort of the so powell writes benghazi is a stupid witch hunt and basic faults fall on a courageous ambassador, but blame also rests on its leaders and supports back here, pack kennedy, intel community, ds, and yes, hrc and condoleezza rice replied "completely agree." is this an accurate assessment by the two former secretaries of state. >> i think it is and it's an accurate description of the independents not the witch hunts reports which was the ambassador
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made a sincere assessment of his protection and of his safety and security. he was well-known before benghazi as a sort of out-there diplomat. he was out there meeting with people and the assessment was unfortunately incorrect, but as hillary clinton has said, as the state department has said, the standards for him making that assessment and the standards for how that information flowed from the ambassador needed to be fixed. there's no surprising in this except he calls all of these hearings and stuff, exactly what they were, witch hunts. i want to say something quickly. he's exactly right. there is something new going on, but there's not an equivalency. rnc, despite what we've heard a couple hours ago was not tracked. the r triple c was not attacked,
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this is a targeted attack against a party and its leaders so let's not -- there's no equivalency here so we just have to remind people this is an outside likely russian attack on one party. >> okay, kevin, do you want to comment or can we move on? >> i think that's right and i think many people will look at that through a partisan lens. republicans will say it's not untoward and they'll say that the reason that these folks are being hack side because they're not being secure with their information. democrats will say that reason that democrats are being hack is because outside forces are trying to help donald trump and many of the people who have yet to make up their mind, those persuadable swing voters are scratching their heads. >> okay, kevin it's pretty safe to say colin powell does not support donald trump very much because here's what he e-mail -- the e-mail said about donald trump. he's a national disgrace and
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pariah and tied to general michael flint a right-wing nutty and is a jerk and got canned out of d.i.a. and says the whole birther movement was racist. he's greatly respected by many on -- in both parties. will these opinions sway any voters, kevin? >> i -- i don't think so. and here's why. i think if a -- if someone like colin powell who in the last two campaigns made a very public endorsement and campaigned on behalf of and made public statements in support of candidates, that i think has a very big impact because of his profile as a national security leader. i think because these are filtered through e-mails that he thought were in confidence and have now been -- have now been released because they've been hacked i don't think they'll have the same impact. i think a lot of those opinions that -- i'm sorry that colin
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powell, general powell held in those e-mails, those are shared by many more public figures, and totally willing to make that case, and in that sense, that public debate where you have other generals, other national security leaders identified with those sentiments, that'll have an effect on some -- on swing voters. >> so colin powell e-mailed about hillary clinton, about being drawn into the issues and said hrc could have killed us two years ago by telling everyone what she had done and not tie me into it. i told her staff not to try that gamut. i had to throw a mini tantrum at a hampton's party to get their attention. he's saying she's not honest and a lot of people certainly believe that about the e-mails. >> i'm going to go with the fbi director. i'm so -- this is so irrelevant, and even colin powell's assessment, there's debate, of which there's evidence cutting
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in favor of hillary clinton about what colin powell told her because other e-mails were leaked that suggested he did tell her, it doesn't -- in other words, there's no case and i have confidence in the fbi director. we can go back to this, but in terms of the safety and security of the -- of america, colin powell, one of the most-decorated men in our history, and the african-american trump is trying to make to the community and what he did in terms of barack obama, in terms of questioning the citizenship that is relevant i think not to the swing voters, kevin was saying but to voters who -- who will look at this including minority voters and say, actually colin powell is someone i do respect not for his military history, but because he's a leader in the african-american community.
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>> all right, thank you both. i appreciate it. when we come right back, colin powell does not hold back in his assessment of donald trump and hillary clinton, but is he just saying what the rest of america is thinking?
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a scathing assessment of donald trump and hillary clinton in colin powell's leaked e-mails. here, a clinton supporter, maria cardona, and political cnn commentator, bakari sellers, clinton supporter. and colin powell calls a racist and says her hubris causes her to screw things up. this is what a lot of americans think about these candidates. maybe colin powell has you know them both pegged, do you think? >> i don't think so. i mean, colin powell did of course serve with great honor but in the past decade, we know that he's endorsed barack obama twice, so his -- he's been leaning left. what i found most revealing, don, in these e-mails and hasn't been brought up yet but is important to discuss is he
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talked about an incident with senator sheldon whitehouse, a democratic senator from rhode island and remember this was all democrats talking over e-mail, and they mentioned a situation where hillary clinton could barely walk up a podium of steps, so colin powell did have serious concerns over hillary clinton's health. i think that -- i just think that should be out there. >> he said she was working herself to death. he didn't say she was sick. that's -- there is a difference. >> that's correct. no, no, that's correct. i apologize if i -- but sheldon whitehouse said quote she could barely climb steps. >> you could say she has an incredible work ethic. it's all how you read it, buddy. >> i don't know, i don't know. >> he didn't say i think she's sick, he said she looks horrible in hd, i read the entire thing and she could barely walk up the steps according to him, and that you know she was working herself to death. >> we all look bad in hd. >> speak for yourself. so a new "washington post"/abc poll, said 60% of americans said trump is bias against women and
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minorities, that's for you, andy. >> he's not. i mean i worked for him for seven years and he has people of all faiths, of all religions, of all backgrounds, national ethnicity, whatever, women, so he's just not a racist guy. i can see, don, where some people, through the lens of a third-party, when it keeps getting hammered in, trump is this, or trump is that and of course hillary clinton saying that we're all -- and i guess she's including me into a basket of deplorables, we're all racist, and he said the exact same thing, does he have them figured out like the american people do, you know, feel about him and you said -- >> and look, powell says that and hillary clinton says -- >> 60% of americans -- >> deplorable racist. i don't know like that poll. >> i would say colin powell probably does have them pegged with how people see these
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candidates and what i would say if you're going to compare the description of somebody having hubris and being ambitious, and with all due respect, i wonder colin powell would have said that if hillary clinton was a mn, versus calling somebody an international pariah, a national disgrace, and somebody who would put our national security at risk, which is what he was getting to, i think i would prefer a thousand times every single day what he said about hillary clinton, and so while republicans want to dismiss these comments and the way that he feels about these candidates by saying, well, he endorsed barack obama in the last two elections, well, so did the majority of american people. so if he is -- if he has been right in the last two elections, then hopefully he'll be right again, which means that majority of the american people will also then endorse and vote for hillary clinton. >> and by the way, some of the same people who have criticized hillary clinton and have come up
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with some of the conspiracy theories about her health will come up. we have one step to get up to the set and they have trouble getting up that set themselves. we have to have people, so there you go. bakari, powell endorsed barack obama, but he did not join a number of republican national security officials who are reject ing donald trump and endorsing hillary clinton. he has a problem with her whole m.o., right? >> yeah today when we were reading these e-mail it's first i felt bad for colin powell, because what you're starting to see is there's some outside influence and meddling, you see the dnc, the dccc, and has this complete destain for donald trump. i felt bad his private thoughts were aired out that way. but man, he threw some in
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discriminate shade at everyone, and the best records put out, this was some quality material from colin powell. >> let's move on and talk about medical records, shall we? donald trump's medical records. here's a clip now from his appearance on dr. oz. >> why not share your medical records? why not -- >> i have no problem in doing it. i have it right here. should i do it? i don't care. should i do it? [ applause ] it's two letters, one is the report and the other is from lennox hill hospital. >> may i see them? >> yeah, sure. >> is this the right answer for transparency on his health records to appear on a daytime talk show? >> i think the only video that's relevant in terms of health in this campaign is the video of hillary clinton collapsing trying to get into that van. >> okay but that wasn't the question. >> yeah. >> do you think that's the appropriate venue? >> there's no question about his health. he's not the one collapsing.
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>> there is a question, john. >> is she up to the job. >> no, there's not. >> there's. >> there's no former rnc saying -- >> he's 70 years old. he'll be the oldest person as president if he gets elected. >> the dw dnc needs to have plans ready to go if hillary clinton cannot fill her job as vice president. and then you have cokie roberts, and -- >> that is completely untrue. >> take it up with cokie roberts and don fowler. >> i absolutely will because i know what the dnc is doing and none of that is happening. i know you like to track in conspiracy theories. >> that's the former chairman of the party. >> i think there's something bigger going on here, don. the health records and the whole circus surrounding what he did today -- and i guess what we'll see tomorrow with dr. oz, i
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think goes to this whole issue of a false equivalency because this is a man who has been the least transparent of any presidential candidate in modern history. not only on health records. we know a lot more about clinhiy clinton's health records. taxes, we talked about having hillary clinton 40 years of taxes, when you can claim the dubious honor of being less transparent therein richard nixon, than amigo, you have a problem. and melania trump's immigration records, there's huge questions there. >> there are no questions there. >> there are lots of questions there. >> actually not. i can walk you through her immigration history. >> he's built a huge wall around these issues of disclosure. trump supporters love to compare him to ronald reagan, and ask mr. trump tear down this stone wall. >> don, if i could -- and i want
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answer your dr. oz question. but i want to fix this melania issue. she's an extremely bright, caring compassionate person. she got a b1-b 2 visa, she became permanent and got a green card because of her extraordinary talent as a model and businesswoman. >> is that someone other than a trump attorney? >> that's her immigration history. >> it doesn't hold up. i worked at the i.n.s. and those pieces of disclosure do not add up. i'm sorry. she was not an internationally renowned model. the visa category of extraordinary talent does not apply to her. this was a category that is even called the einstein category. as wonderful as she might be, she does not fit into that category. there are huge questions even from what she said, having to go back to slovenia to renew her visa, you don't do that. so there are huge questions
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revolving here and people need to understand the truth -- >> talk about trafficking and conspiracy theories. >> especially coming from donald trump who has made immigration and enforced the immigration law a huge pillar of his campaign. >> she followed all the rules. you're attacking a future president's wife, outrageous. >> we don't know that. >> i'm smiling at the back and forth. what we're seeing is andy and many other trump supporters are shaking and not having too many answers when they're starting to fend off the many, many, many layers of donald trump's shields going up. the simple fact is we can point -- i like to point to one fact -- i like to point to one fact, which is charitable giving. hillary clinton and bill clinton have given through the bill and hillary foundation, $22.5 million since 2001. donald trump is a very wealthy millionaire. we know he's a millionaire and the fact we can't point to the
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$1 million worth of charitable givings is a problem. >> i can do it. >> bakari, if i may -- >> these problems go on, and on, and on i've seen the checks. >> the celebrity apprentice. i was the head of trump productions. >> you're the only one. >> celebrity apprentice raised tens of millions of dollars for charity. >> donald trump -- donald trump. >> he was -- he was the executive producer and co-owner of the show. >> andy, from his personal -- >> donald trump, his personal -- >> -- account. what mike pence said. >> he's also given through -- okay, bakari -- >> can you bring us the receipts? you'd solve this investigation that every news investigation network has been doing if you can show us the receipts we'd love to see them. >> show us the receipts. i know who does his tax returns. i can tell you very quickly.
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>> he's a -- i will tell you hold on, he's a multibillionaire, according to forbes and in his lifetime has given away tens of millions and the trump foundation has given away millions of dollars. >> there's no record. >> okay, andy -- >> i've got to go to a break, but it would be great -- >> melania is the one person democrats want to deport. >> it would be great if you could show us the receipts. ips. >> tear down this stone wall. >> we'll be right back. >> i've got his tax return in my car. i'll go get it. >> we'll be right back. marco...! polo! marco...! sì? polo! marco...! polo! scusa? ma io sono marco polo, ma... marco...! playing "marco polo" with marco polo? surprising. ragazzini, io sono marco polo. sì, sono qui... what's not surprising? how much money amanda and keith saved by switching to geico. ahhh... polo. marco...! polo!
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back now. let's talk about the debates. in the primary saw a barrage of insults from donald trump, watch. >> first of all this guy is a choke artist and this guy is a liar. >> you're tough. >> we need a leader. >> you're tough. i'm at 42 and you're at 3. >> doesn't matter. >> so far doing better. >> never attacked him on his look and believe me, plenty of subject matter right there. that i can tell you. >> sorry. he beat out 16 other candidates using this tactic.
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do you think it's winning formula he should do again andy? >> i think trump is one of the best counterpunchers i've seen. h'es not the first go on the attack but will destroy his opponent. i look forward to the debates if hillary goes after him, i wish her luck. >> how does she fight back? >> substance and policy. everyone wants to talk about the showman that donald trump is and how he does with audience. the fact is donald trump never done this day before in his life. on stage one on one having a debate about substance with professional moderators there. entire world watching. never done it before. hillary clinton has. what people also don't know is the added advantage hillary clinton has is she's a woman.
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donald trump has never been on stage with a woman standing toe-to-toe and tell him he's wrong and have more depth on domestic policy than he does. can he's going to be so far out of water that he's going to be uncomfortable. i don't think do well in the first one. maybe after. >> except the lady in the church. >> that was telling. >> there's a new poll saying three points ahead in florida. how did trump turn this around? >> he stayed on message. the theme to the segment was the insult comic routine. of he's donald trump that be sticking to the script. hillary clinton has been talking about the basket of deplorables. her numbers have suffered because of it. i think donald trump should continue what he's doing. the electoral college, not just the national numbers is getting better for trump by the day. i say keep doing what you're
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doing. >> there's a new poll that shows donald trump ahead of hillary clinton. she was ahead by four points in july. she was way up there. you were worried that people wouldn't realize how close this race could get. are you worried now for a totally different reason? >> no. i continue to be worried, and i hope that the hillary clinton campaign, i know the hillary clinton campaign is worried. they need to wake up every day worried and run as if she's ten points behind. i've said this repeatedly on your show. it's the only way they get to the point of not just making sure hillary clinton is out there the way she's been doing, underscoring the message she's the one with the substance and the one with the knowledge and the experience, the steely steadiness, and the temperament to be commander in chief versus the joke that has become donald trump. but more importantly, to make sure that democrats, independents, and sane minded republicans who understand what a danger this man would be
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anywhere close to the oval office with his hands on the nuclear codes do everything they can to make sure they get out and vote and their families and friends get out and vote. for the obama coalition, i think this is good, because it will mobilize them. and i actually think that the last couple days have hurt her. she's been off the trail. you know, in terms of actual worry, these polls, i don't buy the florida or nevada poll unless you're polling with bilingual pollsters, you're support among latino voters is not showing up. that's the case with other minority populations as well. i'm glad it's getting closer. >> you have a similar theory about the polls, don't you? >> yeah. i think some of the things you've been saying and the cnn polls is i think that pollsters are projecting the electorate to be wider. it's something that hasn't happened in decades.
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i think if you look at the model, even the model in 2008 have you had extremely high african american and hispanic turnout, in 2012 it was higher. african americans and hispanic americans started to participate at higher rates. the numbers, you shouldn't see the polls retrogresz. they should increase. >> go ahead, andy. >> now that trump is leading or winning in most of the swing states and nationally, the pundits now have a problem with the methodology of the polls. we knew this was coming. >> i've always had this issue. >> he's not winning nationally. the cnn poll was an outlier. and if you want to look at the e lelectoral college, if you give him ohio and north carolina, you know what happens on november 8th? you're still saying madam
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president. i think -- >> but florida, and remember, trump did well with latinos in the republican primary, beating the home state senator. >> that's not saying a lot. sorry. >> he won by 18 points. >> that's not saying a whole lot. >> i have ten seconds in. >> there's no evidence that says that the obama coalition is going to turn out in the same or similar numbers with hillary clinton. >> that's why the president is out there. >> fundamentally -- >> thank you, guys. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow. good night. . . .
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hillary clinton ready to get back on the campaign trail after three days off fighting pneumonia. her campaign putting out more detailed medical information, but what question remains? and donald trump's health in the spotlight as he shares some, but not much information in a tv interview. after not attacking hillary clinton over her illness, a shift for trump, we will show you what he said. and some candidates keep things quiet. we continue to question transparency. new numbers you don't want to

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