tv CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow CNN September 18, 2016 2:00pm-3:01pm PDT
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and a third set of pipe bombs, one of them exploded on the jersey shore yesterday. all similar in kind. this is what is left after the two bombs that exploded. on the left, a wrecked dumpster that new york -- that bomb in new york that detonated inside of the dumpster. on the right, a trash can on the route of a charity 5k race in seaside, new jersey. nobody was hurt in the seaside bombing. only three of the pipe bombs in the trash can in new jersey actually detonated. they're not saying with certainty that all three of the bombs in new york and new jersey are exactly the same or necessarily made by the same person. but we now know they are all similar by design. >> everybody, get off of the street! let's go, get off the street! >> saturday night, 8:30, people in the manhattan neighborhood of
chelsea say the blast hat rattl the street and apartment buildings and sent everyone in the vicinity running and ducking. all 29 people injured in the blast have been released from the hospital. while the investigators work, a man who stabbed nine people at a mall in minnesota last night is a soldier from the islamic state. the man shot dead by an off duty police officer. moments ago, we heard from leaders from minnesota's somali american community. they spoke about the attack. listen. >> is somali community has been touched by this incident. first of all, our solidarity goes to the families who are affected. we condole with the victims who have been hurt last night by the individual -- suspected
individual. we condemn it. the strongest word we can possibly do. >> nick valencia is following that story and joins me from atlanta. here with me in new york is cnn terrorism analyst paul cruicksha cruickshank. paul, what do we know and do we not? i reported in my home state of minnesota. this is a community that has been come after again and again by terrorists. from al shabaab, and now isis, recruiting the youth to fight overseas and fight here in america. at the same time, we do not have the name of the american susp t suspected in this stabbing yet. >> we don't. we know from local affiliate reporting, as well as local media reporting, that the individual has been identified. we have not here at cnn been able to verify the details yet. what we just saw was a proactive press conference. an impassioned plea by leaders
in the community there, the somali american community in central minnesota, saying that this individual who stabbed nine people at a mall in st. cloud, minnesota, does not speak for them. very clear and direct language, poppy, saying this person has not relationship with their community, and that their community does not have a relationship with any terror group. not isis, al shabaab or anyone. we heard from the council on american islamic relations. the executive director in minnesota saying there has been a lot of anti-muslim organizing. he hopes the attack that happened yesterday doesn't further cause a divisiveness there in the community. let's start with what we know about the suspect. he entered a mall about 8:00 p.m. last night and almost immediately began stabbing people indiscriminately, leaving nine people injured. all of them are expected to survive. they range in age from 15 to 53. highlighted at the press conference earlier today from the mayor, as well as the police
chief and the n fbi, was the heroic action of jason faulkner, a part-time police officer with the avon department. a former police chief. according to the mayor, clearly prevented additional injuries. the suspect lunged at the officer while the officer exchanged fire. hitting the individual. the individual got up three separate times before he was shot dead. the mall will remain closed. it is still an active crime scene. the suspect who carried out the attack, his car was found in the parking lot. that has been impounded. we also know at least two search warrants have been executed at one home there in the area. poppy? >> nick, vaithank you verycruic well. this is not new, the recruitment among the somali community, if in fact that is the case with this suspect in minnesota. i sat down with the attorney general who talked about this. about how minnesota has been targeted and this community has been targeted in terms of
recruitment. this goes back to al shabaab. >> yes, this goes back to al shaba shabaab. the somali terrorist group that was successful in recruiting a number of individuals of somali decent from minnesota, from minneapolis. there has been a cluster of radicalization in that area. people a decade ago going off and joining al shabaab in somali. now, they've been trying to go off and join isis. u.s. officials, intelligence aj agencies detected a recruiting pipeline from minnesota to join isis in syria and iraq. they've charged 11 somali americans in minnesota, minneapolis area there are in connection with the case. there have been a number who managed to reach isis in syria. in fact, at least some of them were killed fighting with isis over there. >> and quickly, i'd like your assessment on the language that was used by this isis-connected news agency.
talking about this person, basically as a soldier for isis. what does that mean, paul? does it mean isis inspired? does that mean this person would have traveled overseas to be trained? what does it mean? >> isis went on to say in the statement that their news agency, that this individual according to what they believe, was responding to their call for attacks. they are not claiming that this person traveled to syria, iraq, and actually met and joined the group. they're just saying that he answered their call. they've been putting out the calls for some time now, for the supporters around the world to launch attacks in their name. recently saying to their followers that you should stay in the united states. stay in europe. launch attacks there. don't come over here. isis not providing any proof that hthey had prior knowledge f the attack that was going to happen. they may be acting opportunistically after they heard some media reports
suggesting an islamic connection. >> joining me on the phone is bihi. he is an active member of the somali community in minnesota and has a unique perfective. his nephew was recruited by al shabaab to fight overseas and killed in that fight. we spoke last when i was reporting on this in minnesota last year. thank you for being with me. >> thank you for having me again, poppy. >> we talked about, you know, what your community faces in terms of this recruitment. we are not naming the suspected stabber at this time. let's please refrain from using any names that may be circulating out there until it's confirmed. look, you and your community leaders just came out and held this press conference because of a fear of reprisal from others in the state against the muslim somali community in minnesota. in the mawake of this attack. talk to me about your sense on the ground there right now.
>> you know, this st. cloud a a area, as we see here, it will affect the whole community. it's really a bad -- really bad incident that was committed by an individual that has nothing to do with the community. but we have history where backlash has ensued such acts. that's what the community leaders and whole community is really concerned. >> talk about the recruitment efforts. what has changed from when al shabaab was targeting young somali americans living in minnesota back in 2006/2007/2008 and now isis recruiting members of your community. >> well, the recruitment is very down right now, thanks to the law enforcement that's engaging the community in conversation in
many forms, including islam phobia. but this is different. this is very different. in 2008, when a nephew and other kids were going -- were recruited, after doing a lot of outreach, i used to have a difficult time because a lot of people would say, well, they're fighting the utopian invasion. now, the whole community cannot comprehend why syria, why isis. you look at this community. it's a community that, every day, you see relatives that have been killed by al shabaab suicide bombers pack home in somali. the community fled to america to build their lives as americans. it is very interesting when islam phobia or backlash happens for the same people victims of the people. it's really a difficult time. >> the u.s. attorney for minnesota, lugar, when i sat
down with him last year to talk about this problem, said to me, and made a point of noting that the religious leaders in your community are working incredibly hard to fight this recruitment. that with you tell me about how effective the fight has been against those who wish to do harm to the community and wish to recruit members of your community to become terrorists? >> you know, i want to say that our minnesota u.s. attorney has done a tremendous effort, a wonderful job, to not only persecute this, but to equally engage the community. the youth, the whole community. as a matter of fact, i'm a part of somali american task force that works directly with him and with foundations to create jobs and other issue, and to educate everyone. we are seeing a tremendous unity
from the leaders of the community, from the mothers. as a matter of fact, tomorrow, we have another meeting that was earlier scheduled to address those issues. it is a tremendous effort. everyone is on the same page against the radicalization or recruitment of isis in our young people. >> bihi, i appreciate you joining me tonight. it's very important perspective. we'll keep all the viewers posted as we learn more about the identity of the person that carried out the horrific attack last night in st. cloud, minnesota. thank you so much. a lot of breaking news this hour. the fbi is saying the two bombs in new york and new jersey and the explosive device in new jersey are, quote, similar in design. they're still working to see if there is an absolutely connection between the two. when we come back, the man who ran the boston police department on the day of the boston marathon bombing will join me. his unique and personal perspecti perspective. more on the hunt for the bomber in new york.
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as we mentioned at the top of the hour, the minnesota stabbings are one of three possible terror attacks on u.s. soil in a single day. the other two involved bombs exploding in new york and new jersey. deborah feyerick is live in new york. what are they telling you in terms of the status of the investigation tonight? any motive? also, their challenge with not being able to find very clear surveillance video of the blast. >> what's interesting is they do have video surveillance. new york city is a sophisticated surveillance system throughout the city. they'll be looking at that, along with video being turned in from other people who may have been in the area.
plus, they have to gather human intelligence. anyone that may have seen something that was suspicious. also, they're looking at the blast pattern. the first blast that took place here behind me, 23rd street, they're looking at all of that. they're trying to determine exactly how the bomb went off. they're labeling and marking everything so that they can find any potential evidence. remember t boston marathon bombing, they were -- they had to label every single piece because you don't know what could potentially be significant until you really have some time to analyze it. reports have been that there was a sulfur smell, indicating potentially the presence of black wow dpowder. i want to bring in congressman maloney. she got up close to the scene. you were able to see the blast itself. what stood out to you? what did it look like? >> first of all, i was very grateful. when you see the blast, it was a serious one.
it was deep and strong. i was grateful that no one was killed or seriously injured. of the 27, they've been released from the hospital. when you see the blast, the dumpster was thrown across the street. the large dumpster was reduced to a smaller scale filled with holes. the glass was blown out on both sides of the street, including beautiful stained glass windows destroyed on the church on the street. i was grateful that no one was hurt. there is a home for the blind. 180 people are being served lunch and dinner by the red cross. the police, nypd, the residents express their gratitude, that they were reviewed and feel like they are being addressed, their concerns. they're opening up an emergency office with a small business administration and other services for people. they're reviewing every single piece of tape from the red light cameras to what individuals have turned in. every single piece of glass has been marked by the fbi evidence
team. deborah, my question is, why this site? there were three sites. new jersey. 27th street will open in a few hour, i'm told. are there connections? usually, terrorists want to say, we did it. no one is claiming credit. i find that unusual. also, they like iconic sites. times square. remember the smoking car in times square? this is not an iconic site. it's not a store. it's not a landmark. personally, i was involved in two parades and one huge festival -- >> why not those sites? that's interesting. >> more people. why this site? so the fbi is review all this and hopefully we'll get professional answers coming back. >> congresswoman, we appreciate your time. one quick note, what is it? >> it's been 15 years since 9/11. 20 attempts have been thwarted,
thank god. we've got to be even better in stopping this. i'm grateful to be nypd, emergency management and everyone that's here helping. >> thank you so much. congressman maloney, thank you so much. we do want to say, poppy, one of the key things is that some of our colleagues have been reporting that, in fact, cell phones were found, not only at the device on west 27th street, but also the one in new york. investigators are looking at all of that to determine, in fact, if the devices were similar. because an individual may have read the same magazine. individuals may have read the same magazine. or whether they're directly connected. when investigators look at something like this, it's not just what does make sense, but it's also what doesn't make sense. you heard the congresswoman saying, why this particular area? why this neighborhood? why 8:00 in chelsea as opposed to a busier parade or something like that. the dumpster may have presented more serious injuries because it took the brunt of the impact, of
that device. so you bet fbi investigators are looking very, very closely to see what kind of evidence is in that dumpster itself. they've got a lot of work to do. they're doing it very diligently, poppy. >> absolutely. thank you so much. deborah will be with us throughout the night as we learn more on this investigation. ahead, our coverage of the bombing in manhattan last night continuing, witha analysis from our experts. we hear from the victims, the people right there last night when it all exploded. >> i was close to not actually seeing my son again. that was the scariest part of the night. urn because you can't beat zero heartburn! prilosec otc: the #1 doctor recommended frequent heartburn medicine for ten straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.
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29 people injured last night when the bomb exploded in new york city, just hours after another explosion in new jersey that, thankfully, did not hurt anybody when it detonated. what is missing from the bombings in new jersey and new york is a claim of responsibility or, frankly, any suspect. ed davis is with me, boston's police commissioner in 2013 when the bombs exploded at the finish line of the boston marathon. also with us, our law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes and matthew horace. commissioner, thank you for being with us. yesterday, on this program, as we were covering what was happening in seaside, seaside park, new jersey, with the pipe bomb that exploded, luckily, the runners hadn't passed by yet, i
immediately thought of the boston marathon bombing. what was in your mind? >> well, the same thing. tragically, some of the smaller events that occur day in and day out in towns and cities of america don't have the level of security that we have at a big event like the boston marathon. these are easy targets. >> so what has changed? i mean, in terms of, you know, a lot of security protocol around mass gatherings and big events, changed in the wake of the boston marathon bombing. what has changed the most? >> well, i think the amount of money being spent to try and secure these events. it's doubled and tripled in some cases. i've talked to event planners and not for profits that are really having a hard time making the security spend they need to. we have to look at that. the thing that was shocking about the new jersey bombing is if this thing had a cellular
phone detonator on it, they seemed to have set it off at the prong time. there are some things that don't add up. the placement of a bomb inside a conta container, like the dumpster. that cuts down on the lethality of the device. it's really confusing. this is a little different from what we saw in boston. >> that's interesting. tom fuentes, do you read that as, you know, more amateur? >> first of all, poppy, i'd like to tell commissioner davis it is an honor to be on with you. i have the highest respect for you and your staff and the entire boston police department. i was on the air here that whole time during the marathon bombing and aftermath. i just want to commend you for that, first of all. sorry, poppy. >> thank you, sir. the feeling is mutual. thank you. >> thank you. >> the question i was asking is whether you read, from what commissioner davis said, putting the bomb inside the dumpster, making the impact less than it could have been, do you read that as it being a bit more
amateur? >> well, yes, in a way. to that point, i thought earlier yesterday, when we only had the new jersey event, that maybe it was more like a prank. that it wasn't intended to harm runners. they detonated it on purpose at a time when nobody was on the street. barely got any damage to a plastic container that it was put in. later, we hear that two other devices didn't explode that were a part of that. maybe they weren' intended to. so we don't know. it might have been just -- to me, it might have been like a prank, until we have the new york event, which is a different story. they might have been stupid and put it inside the dumpster, not realizing to what extent it would contain the blast. >> tom, the fbi is using the wording, "potential act of terrori terrorism." walk us through your former fbi assistant director, the differentiation between a potential and outright. why are they qualifying it? >> good question. i don't know, everybody is trying to down play it and, you
know, not strike fear. but, you know, in the case like this where you don't have -- at least you're not going to have a homicide event, you know, fortunately, i don't know why they would say it's potential or not potential. in boston, as i was mentioning, i was on the air. commissioner davis immediately came out, day one. they didn't know who did it or why they did it or any motive. came out the very first afternoon, held a press con fresz a press and said, it's not a gas explosion. two bombs and it's terrorism. i want to introduce the special agent in charge of the fbi who will have the case because of terrorism. it was a simple decision to make. he made it. he said it. on this event in new york, we still see this dancing around with the authorities, of not wanting to say what it really is. >> well, we do have the new york joint terrorism task force investigating it as a -- now they're using the language "possible terror attack." i take your point.
it is one that has been broadly debated, certainly, in the last 24 hours. matthew horace, to you. you're a former atf agent with an expertise in explosives. let's pull up the image we do have of the pressure cooker, that bomb that was down on 27th street, late, late last night. they've taken it up outside of new york city. they're obviously going through it bit by bit. how difficult is it to make something like this? how sophisticated does someone have to be in bomb making to be able to put this together? >> poppy, as you know, magazines and online publications tell how to do it. after the boston marathon bombings, we saw the carnage and damage that a device like this can do. depending on the explosive inside the device. depending on if it has shrapnel, glass, nails or other devices inside of it, it can do damage. it's not difficult to make. it is difficult to make and make it well. this is one of those cases, as tom always says, how can you
reason with psychopaths? we have a calamity of errors here. the one in new jersey didn't go off. the one in new york went off in an isolated area. this one didn't. we'll find out what in the world is going on and how come the devices were designed, built and didn't operate as designed? >> gentlemen, thank you. commissioner davis, matthew horace and tom agafuentes. more ahead. also the politics of it. hillary clinton and donald trump reacting to the bombings. their responses very different last night. coming out on more of what we're learning on the attack on chelsea. what donald trump and hillary clinton's responses tell us about how they may tandhandle threats like this as commander in chief, next.
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first reported and before authorities confirmed that it was, in fact, a bombing in new york city. here's what trump said. >> i must tell you that skrjust before i got off the plane, a bomb went off in new york. no one knows exactly what's going on. boy, we are living in a time. we better get very tough, folks. very tough. >> clinton on the other hand, more measured. she told reporters when she was in touch -- that she was in touch with officials from new york. then she said this on her plane last night. >> i think it's always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions. because we are just in the beginning stages of trying to determine what happened. >> what do these two dramatically different responses to the same event tell us?
about how trump or clinton may lead our nation, especially after a motion like this, in four short months. one will be doing just that. here to discuss, we have our washington correspondent for the new yorker. and the senior editor of the "atlantic." ron, i think we got the responses that the public would expect from donald trump and hillary clinton. yes, they're very different. which one though do you believe is the most indicative of how they would actually act as a commander in chief? there is one thing, the rhetoric, and what you say ahead of an election to get votes, and one thing about how you'd act in the oval office. >> i think they were both very revealing. i think you saw an incredible distillation of much of the choice in the election in the 40 seconds of contrasting video. trump's greatest strength is that many voters view him as likely to bring change. he says what he means. he will be something different. he will not be a typical
politician. he will kind of go out and say what he believes and, not incidentally, given his coalition, that he'll crack down on all the foreign forces and influences that they believe are undermining many of the varities of american life. on the other hand, what you saw from clinton is her comparative advantage in this race. she is a more sober, you know, kind of deliberate leader, and voters overwhelm dpingly see th. voters see trump likely to bring change. others say clinton is qualified to be president and commander in chief, and more qualified to handle foreign policy. you got a very good summary of the contrasting styles and arguments that they're bringing to the voters now and would n likelihood, bring to the oval office if elected. >> ryan, the argument is over. did trump speak too soon before authorities said something. the point is he was correct. this would be a different
situation if it was not a bombing. aside from that, listen to what his running mate, mike pence, said about the bombings in new york, new jersey and the stabbing in minnesota today. listen. >> as a governor and a candidate for national office, it would not be appropriate for me to comment on an ongoing investigation, other to say they are thankful in our hearts that there is no loss of life as a result of these horrific attacks. >> so he says it wouldn't be appropriate for him to comment. that is drastically different than what his running mate said. who handled it in a way that is more effective in terms of garnering the votes and the support of the undecides they need? >> you get the sense that trump and pence are not on the phone coordinating their response to this. they are sort of running separate campaigns in a sense. their responses were completely different. pence's was more like clinton, which is what most political leaders do in a breaking news situation. frankly, most journalists, commentator
commentators, anyone in the public eye, when a major, breaking news event, where none of us actually have the facts, you tend to be careful. if you are a political leader, it's even more important to do that because you don't want to say something that get as aheadf the facts. pence and clinton, long-time politicians both know that's the way to operation. trump, yeah, i personally got the sense from trump that -- every time there has been an incident like this, some kind of terrorist attack, he jumps on it very quickly and he wants to be out there speaking about it. whether he knows what happened or not. at the time he spoke last night, it was not known whether this was truly a bomb. so he was getting ahead of himself. i think if you were president, you'd hope that he would have people around him that would sort of contain that um --
impulse to speak before the facts are there. >> we didn't know. the media, the public. we don't know what trump or clinton or president obama knew. he said, ron, we better get tough, folks. we kept saying, we're going to get tough and smart and vigilant. he used that as an opportunity, without, you know, certainly at least knowing who was behind the attacks because that's still not public, that the current administration's policies aren't working. that's what he was saying. >> right. two big points, i think, are important here. one, you know, these kind of attacks, unfortunately, have become a drum beat in american life. there is no evidence the american public is being knocked truly off balance by them. people are concerned about terror. they see a sense for vigilance. but opinions are not radically shifting as a result of this. trump got a boost last fall in the republican primary around the paris and san bernardino
attacks. in the general election attitudes, like banning muslim immigration, it has not radically changed month by month on this. the second point, it is striking trump made the comments you sited on the same day that robert gates, the cia director, defense secretary for george w. bush and barack obama, joined a list of 50 other security officials in saying he viewed trump as unfit and unqualified to be president. the same kind of shoot from the hip, you know, that we saw yesterday that does appeal to a segment of the electoraelectora believes they've been failed. even goldwater in 1964 did not face as much defection from republican national security leaders as trump has from the long time of former cabinet officials and others who do not believe he's qualified to be president. >> this is exactly the kind of response to an incident that
people like gates and the sort of national security establishment of the republican party would point to as, wait a second, this is not how you operate when something like this -- when something like this goes down. >> but as we saw though on this show yesterday, he does have the support of former cia director who served under president bill clinton. that is one name in defense he does have. thank you. i have to leave it there. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up live for us in the "cnn newsroom," following a diplomatic fire storm over the accidental u.s.-led coalition bombing of troops. secretary john kerry reacting in an exclusive interview with elise labott. >> they need to stop assad from bombing people indiscriminately, which he continues to do. [ music stops ] rt sou] ♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ] [ girl laughs ] ♪ on the road again
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a war of words at the united nations after u.s.-led coalition air strikes killed and wounded syrian soldiers. the assad regime's forces. this is a first and that bombing prompted russia to call an emergency meeting of the u.n. security council last night. the u.s. expressing regret over the air strikes if, indeed, they say they did kill coalition fighters. this as the ambassador calls them suspicious in timing. it was called a, quote, stunt.
>> this said, even by russia's standards, tonight's stunt, a stunt replete with moralism and grandstanding, is uniquely cynical and hypocritical. >> that was just as she went into the room to meet with the members of the security council. let's bring in our cnn global affairs analyst, elise labott. you sat down with secretary kerry. what did he tell you in the wake of what is a first, if it was an air strike on the syrian forces? >> he struck the same tone as ambassador powers. saying, listen, the u.s. could have called a u.n. security council meeting all these years when russia was legitimizing the syrian strikes and makes strikes of their own. he said the situation that the u.s. and russia find itself in
today, with the syrias, is one of russia's making. take a listen. >> the biggest judgment they need to make is stop assad from bombing people indiscriminately, which he continues to do. if you are serious about having a cease-fire, and they say they are, then they should keep assad from flying right now and prove their sincerity about a cease-fire. to allow assad, who is a spoiler -- he doesn't want a cease-fire -- to allow him to continue to go after opposition, pretending they are nusra, is in and of itself a huge challenge to this effort. we call on russia to stop the grandstanding. stop the show boating. get the humanitarian assistance going. it is now sunday morning. this started monday night of last -- this past week. the humanitarian assistance is supposed to be flowing. the regime, once again, is blocking it. so russia's client, russia's supported friend, is the single
biggest blockade to the ability to move forward here. the opposition feels threatened because the bombs continue. even as there's supposed to be a stoppage of hostility. russia signed up for hostilities. assad said he'd live by it. he needs to stop and let the joint diplomentation center set up, so russia and the u.s. can coordinate to avoid the terrible thing that happened yesterday, which we all acknowledge and regret. >> tough words. secretary kerry obvious lly tryg to move beyond the incident, which the u.s. said was an dent, a -- accident, and focus on the real issue, the assad regime isn't letting the aid through. this was one of the conditions of the agreement in order to go to the next phase for them. >> the cease-fire, a week in and people aren't getting food and medicine, as samantha powers said, they're starving and dying
because they don't have the medicine. quickly, contextualize the tension level between the united states and russia. you heard the russian spokesperson saying yesterday the white house is come police >> the u.s. says that ridiculous. the russians want this agreement with the u.s. to work on fighting isis. i think you have to look at the bigger context here. the u.s. is also investigating for hacking into the u.s. election. there's a lot of tension not just with syria but the ukraine. a lot of mistrust with the parti parties. be pentagon is saying they're not sure if they want to cooperate because there's no trust there with the parties. >> this as we kick off a huge week in new york. where all the world leaders come together. thank you very much. much more of our interview with secretary kerry tomorrow morning on new day. just ahead live, much more on
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top of the hour here in the cnn newsroom. i'm poppy harlow. the united states may have been hit with three separate terror attacks in a day. frightened people on the sidewalks running for safety not knowing if another explosion was about go off. investigators say that bomb and an explosion earlier have things in common. no official connection at this hour but the fbi says they are similar in design. the bombing in new york city injured 29 people. thankfully, we have learned they are all out of the hospital. police found the