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you. let's >> good morning, chris. the man the fbi believes was behind at lean ten bombs was uncooperative in the first few hours after his capture. investigators are beginning to put together a picture of what may have driven it the 28-year-old to carry out these bombings. a note found on the unexploded pressure cooker bomb on 27th street in manhattan contained ha-written ramblings that made references to past terrorists. that includes the boston bombers. that bomb as well as one on 23rd street, which did explode and injured 29 people, bears similarities to the ones used in the boston marathon bombings. law enforcement officials say that the suspect was seen on surveillance video near both locations, hauling a duffel bag. a surveillance video along with fingerprints and records of cell phones that he bought were the key pieces of evidence that led to the arrest of the suspect. now, at this point, investigators believe he was a lone bomb maker, but they are
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still looking into whether he received help from others. local prosecutors in union county, new jersey, filed the first charges yesterday for attempted murder of five police officers after the shootout that led to his arrest. federal prosecutors in manhattan and new jersey are building their case for charges that are expected in the coming weeks. the case has already led to some in congress to renew their argument that u.s. citizens charged in terrorism cases should be charged as enemy combatan combatants. alisyn? >> thanks so much, evan. we'll talk to you more. ahmad rahami was captured just four hours after police identified him and released his picture. there was a treasure-trove of surveillance video, fingerprints, dna at the bombing scene, and it led investigators to him. so the last break in the case coming from a new jersey bar owner. cnn's ed lavandera joins us from the scene of the blast. tell us the latest, ed. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. 23rd street here in manhattan
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reopened to traffic. this was the site of where the bombing happened on saturday night. it was the bomb that was found four blocks north of where we're at, which provided most of the important clues for investigators, including a hand-written note, written by rahami, as well as a fingerprint. it was that fingerprint that led investigators to identify rami as the suspect, which led to that 7:30 a.m. release of his picture yesterday. a short while after that, the alert that went over to millions of people's cell phones across the new york city area, and then it was that phone call from that bar owner in new jersey very close to where rahami lived in new jersey across the hudson river from manhattan. all of that unfolding rather quickly, ending in a gun battle. you can hear in this video some of the gunshots that unfolded there on the streets of new jersey as rahami was captured.
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[ gunfire ] so intense moments there on the street. two new jersey officers wounded, not with life-threatening injuries. sounds like they will be okay. as far as we understand, rahami being treated in a hospital but not cooperating with investigators. >> still early in the process. a lot of tools at investigators' hands. so who is this guy? what's important about him in terms of this investigation? before the bombings in new york and new jersey, we do know that he was not on the government's radar as someone who might be radicalized. a law enforcement official tells cnn this would-be murderer did spend extended periods of time in afghanistan and pakistan, including an area that is a stronghold of the taliban.
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so for that part of the story, let's get to cnn's jessica schneider live in elizabeth, new jersey. what do we know today? >> reporter: well, chris, rahami lived right here with his family. in fact, their apartment on the second floor just above the fried chicken restaurant they run. we know rahami is a naturalized u.s. citizen but spent significant time overseas both in pakistan and afghanistan, where he was born. this is 28-year-old ahmad khan rahami, the suspect behind a series of bombings in new york and new jersey. >> i saw him like two weeks ago. i said hello to him, spoke to him, how's your daughter, how are you doing. he looked a little stressed out but nothing of concern. >> reporter: born in afghanistan, rahami traveled back and forth multiple times. >> his father wanted him to get to know his roots. >> reporter: most recently, he took a year-long visit to pakistan. while there, a facebook photo
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shows the suspected bomber and his brother mohammed relaxing in traditional clothing. in 2011, rahami spent several weeks in a taliban stronghold. it was there he married a pakistani woman. the u.s. approving her entry into the country in 2012, but it's unclear whether she ever made it to the u.s. >> he was a very friendly guy. you'd never suspect this. terrified. he's hiding in plain sight. you would have never known. >> reporter: rahami underwent secondary screenings returning to the u.s. because of the area he visited but was never flagged. the bombing suspect had a run-in with the law before. rahami was arrested in 2014 on weapons and aggravated assault charges, though a grand jury declined to indict him. his countfamily came to the cou seeking asylum decades ago. now they own a fried chicken restaurant in elizabeth, new jersey, and they live above it.
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>> this place has been in operation many years. >> reporter: the rahami family claimed to be the victims of discrimination and harassment in this 2011 lawsuit against the city of elizabeth and its police department. the suit alleging that a neighbor told them muslims don't belong here and that they were threatened and harassed by police officers. >> there was a lot of congregation going on, a lot of people hanging out. the city council was getting complaints from the neighborhood. >> reporter: and federal agents have raided the rahami family apartment as well as their restaurant. as you can see, still quite a police presence out here in elizabeth. chris and alisyn? >> jessica, thank you for all of that background. let's discuss all the new tleds with cnn counterterrorism analyst and former cia counterterrorism official, phil mudd, cnn correspondent jim xue d -- sciutto, and evan perez. let's talk about this guy's
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capability. ten bombs. that's a lot. what do you think his level of skill was in making them? >> the key lines of investigation now are when he had this overseas travel, which by itself is not incriminating, did he have contacts of concern? they don't know that yet, but they're looking into it. also, did he have communication with terrorist organizations? they don't know the answer to that question yet. he may have and they may not be able to find it. he was able to build two different kinds of bombs. that's significant. it's hard to make these bombs work just by looking at the plans online, but his trade craft wasn't exactly brilliant here. this is something i've heard from a lot of counterterror officials. he's not superman. he didn't put the bombs in particularly good places. not high-casualty places. he put one under a dumpster, one didn't go off, the other on top of a garbage can. he was found sleeping in the entrance of a bar. so he's not superman. i think that's part of the context here. then again, you don't have to be, to be successful as a terrorist.
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>> that's a point you often make, phil. the big threat isn't the hardened and well-trained foreign fighter. it's the dope who decides that he wants to be radicalized and kill people who can basically stumble through a situation and almost be deadly effective. >> that's right. yesterday's dope is today's murderer. we saw that in oklahoma city 20 years ago. something you would have said a month before is a bit off murdered so many people. you have to find a vulnerability. talk to the wrong person, e-mail the wrong person, text the wrong person. i need something to grasp on to it. individuals are harder to find because that vulnerability doesn't exist. the question here will be, i think, not whether there's a conspiracy but whether somebody else knew about this who should have been alerted. >> and people are trying to figure out his motive, of course, if he was radicalized, if he was just an angry guy. he had domestic violence issues
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in his past. he did a few small stints in little jails. about this note that they found. are there any clues? i know you reported it was rambling. what did he say? >> just rambling reference to previous terrorists we've had. >> boston bombers. >> and others. that may be the first sign of what his motivation was. we do know the devices, at least two of the devices were similar to the ones used in boston. so was that his inspiration? we know these guys look at previous bombers and get inspired by previous terrorists. that may be part of the story here. as jim said, one of the big points of focus for the investigators is going to be this travel in recent years. was he getting some kind of training there? before you build these types of devices, you probably have some kind of dry run to see whether or not they work. that's the big question right now. >> amazing investigative work here. they turn this around very
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quickly. now -- >> and luck too. >> it's good to be lucky. >> no, there's no luck. >> oh, i'm sorry. there's luck on our side in being in the right place. investigators did it all through skill. they have the surveillance video. they did quick forensics. they used this new alert system of putting his face out all over the place. now they're faced with what do we do with him. lindsey graham says yesterday he should be treated as an enemy combata combatant. what is that? if you are a u.s. citizen and take up arms against america, the law of war says we don't have to treat you like every other citizen. we can't treat you like a foreign fighter and do you through a military tribunal, but they could do that with him. the big upside is you don't mirandize the person. you think that'll happen here? they've already charged him with things. >> he's already in the civil process here. let's be frank.
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they've had success charging and prosecuting terrorists through the u.s. criminal justice system. there are a lot of terrorists in prison. >> couple hundred years of success. >> absolutely. even in current history. it's not my judgment to make, but i think to remind people that, yes, you have cases where -- listen, we have a president in office who killed an american overseas in a drone strike. so that has happened over there. but on domestic soil, you have successfully prosecuted terrorists who are currently in prison in the u.s., dozens of times successfully with the civil criminal justice system. >> this is a political fight that breaks out after every one of these cases. there are procedures in place. the exception for miranda, which allows the investigators to question these suspects before administering miranda. now that, means you probably can't use that evidence in a criminal trial, maybe, depending what the judge decides. but there is that capability
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there. it is being used. in this case, the suspect is not being very cooperative. he was scheduled for multiple surgeries yesterday. that might have affected it. we still have a few days to see whether or not this produces any kind of intelligence and really what intelligence is there to get? >> mudd is giving the unhappy head shake. >> we're dancing around this. let's cut to the chase. are you kidding me? two messages here. number one, the adversary that is isis, taliban, al qaeda want to be considered a military adversary, not a criminal enterprise. this is a crime. it's murder. the question, people like the taliban, is not whether we can participate with them in a war. it's a chump change problem. if you frame this in terms of violent crime and how many people are killed in cities like chicago as a result of gangs and drugs, chump change. so before we consider turning america on a dime to put somebody in a military location, why give the adversary that
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advantage? and number two, why elevate terrorism to a level it's not at? >> i will say when i speak to intelligence officials, i ask them to rank their threats. not to minimize the threat from terrorism, because we know it's real. they put china, russia, cyber, and terrorism below it in terms of existential real national security threats to the u.s. >> i'm glad you guys are saying this. it is actually comforting to hear it put in that perspective because it is so scary. the idea that 29 people out on a saturday night can just be strolling down the street and be injured because a bomb goes off. there are a lot of heartening things to take away from this one in particular. how much progress we've made since 9/11. now there's surveillance cameras all around new york. that video that we're showing this morning of him dragging this duffel bag with the pressure cooker in it, you know, there were so many clues that allowed the police to make fast work of cleaning this up because we have learned things from 9/11. >> that's right. the problem -- and you put your finger on it -- that people
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don't focus on is they confused word scared with threat. americans across the country today are not threatened by terrorism in the cities that i typically travel to, if you do this by the numbers. if you do it by emotion, people are going to say, i see something i can't explain, something that's random. therefore, i think i'm threatened. don't make that mistake. if you would have sat down on september 12th of 2001 and you would have said, no major attack, i'd say i'd take that bet. >> panel, thank you. great to get all of your expertise. coming up, we'll talk to the woman who found the pressure cooker bomb in new york city as well as the bar owner in new jersey that led investigators to their suspect. also in the 8:00 hour, we have governor andrew cuomo to join us live with all of the latest. up next, the terror bombings are putting national security in the forefront of the presidential race and rightly so. the nominees are sparring, but what we need to hear is what would they do that is different than what's being done right now, next. beyond has a natural
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these attacks and many others were made possible
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because of our extremely open immigration system. immigration security is national security. >> we must remain vigilant. this is a fast-moving situation and a sobering reminder that we need steady leadership in a dangerous world. >> the facts would suggest you are not threatened where you are today by terrorism here, but boy, is it scary. and that makes it very effective in politic. we're seeing it in the presidential race. the nomineeses are dealing with it differently. they have different ideologies and different plans, but it is right front and center in the debate right now. let's discuss what terrorism means in this race with political reporter for "the washington post" philip bump and cnn political analyst david gregory. david, terrorism also always matters, especially to the media and the political dialogue. it's usually not that high on people's lists of what they're going to vote about. but what we just saw here in new
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york and new jersey certainly creates heightened expectations. what are we seeing in the race? >> well, i don't think we've seen an impact in the race yet. although, we know this is going to play to some of trump's strengths among his supporters, which is a feeling of vulnerability, a feeling that the administration has failed in the face of mounting terror threats. if you go back to 2004 where there is a demonstrable impact when osama bin laden made a tape days before the election to try to interfere in the election, that it kind of raised awareness and heightened fears about al qaeda. but that was 2004. that was the re-election of george bush. you had a time of heightened fear and vulnerability. here i think there is a question of vigilance versus doing the kinds of things that trump is talking about, changing the immigration system, keeping muslims out, having a religious test, the kind of things he's talking about with regard to building a wall.
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this is going to have to be the subject of a real debate about what you do that's not being done when you have something that's both scary, an individual becomes radicalized, pulls off an attack, and very hard to track and apprehend. >> phil, there it is. therein lies the rub about their approach. one has a sober, understated approach. one has a guns blazing approach. and different voters can respond different ways, obviously, but in terms of -- donald trump says we're going to get them. we're going to get isis. at some point, maybe in the debate, are his feet going to be held to the fire about what does that mean, exactly how? >> well, people say he doesn't want to say what he's going to do because he doesn't want to tip off the enemy. the key phrase there was for his supporters. this is definitely that motivated trump supporters. quinnipiac had a poll that showed had 70% of trump supporters feel they or their families will be victims of terror attacks whereas only 30%
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of clinton supporters feel that way. so this was a definite advantage to trump. >> now, this piece that you did about what donald jr. said, not donald trump, his son. not the man running, but his family has become more than just his kids. he says, if i told you that there were three skittles in a handful that would kill you, would you want that? this is getting a lot of criticism and rightly so. one, it's dehumanizing these syrian refugees who come here. put up that picture of the syrian refugee boy we should think about every time we talk about who we're talking about. we're not talking about candy. we're talking about families who are fleeing for their lives. there are a lot of kids like this. we didn't cherry pick the one kid who's been a casualty of this war. they're not candy. let's put the humanity to the side and deal with the numbers. this is what the campaign is trying to do, scare you. these kids, they don't look like that, they're killers.
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what's the reality? >> so yeah, the point that donald trump jr. is trying to make is obviously you have this pool, and in that pool are some bad apples, so to speak. the problem is scale. i looked at the numbers last night. there was data done by the kato institute. they estimate that essentially the odds of being killed by a refugee in a terror attack, about 1 in 3 billion. so essentially you'd need an olympic size swimming pool and another half of one filled with skittles. there are three in there that are the problem. that's the point. the point is this is -- to the point made in the previous panel, this is not something that really is an existential threat on a daily bay cysis to americans. people may feel that way, but the skittles analogy is a bad one because it's a much more vast population you'd be picking from. >> yet, david, there are mistakes made, as we have seen,
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in our imcongatulations system as well as who gets citizenship. at the same time this is happening, we find out about this gross mistake of making something like 800 people citizens who had actually been pegged for deportation. there are mistakes, and donald trump can seize on those. >> there's no question that he can, and the larger question is, is america still on a war footing? war can take different forms, right. law enforcement can target crime. you can have a conspiracy here that we may not know fully yet about other sources, other people he might have been working with. what we also know is this is an american who traveled to a part of the world that has radical elements, and when he returns home to the united states, he not secondary screening. you don't come from quetta, pakistan, and they say, how was the trip, was it professional or personal. they're going to say, why were you there and who are you. yes, there's all kinds of
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profiling that goes on. hopefully it's not just racial, not just religious, but it's a combination of factors that would peg you as somebody to keep a close eye on. if you talk to law enforcement officials, they would tell you the danger of this kind of terrorism is how difficult it is to track. when it's individual, when it's not part of a larger plan. so the argument in a debate is how do we stay as a country on a war footing and be true to who we are? there are going to be gaps in a free society when individuals want to do bad things. >> let's put up what could arguably be the picture of the day. >> facebook photo. >> that's bush 41 that we have right there. there's speculation that we have, is george h.w. bush voting for clinton? >> one thing i took away from the conventions is hillary clinton got up there and had barack obama jimmy carter advocating for her.
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no former presidents have come out for donald trump. obviously, george h.w. bush, it's personal for him. donald trump has said george w. bush is responsible for 9/11. i get there's that personal aspect. one thing people look at when making presidential choices, people who have done this job, where do they land on this thing? that could be significant for hillary. >> i do think they'll be shy about saying it publicly. they don't want to help trump, but i'm be shocked. >> david, philip, thank you. all right. dash cam and helicopter video raising questions about the shooting of an unarmed man in tulsa, oklahoma. the details next.
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time now for the five things to know for your new day. number one, the man suspected of bombings in new york city and new jersey capture after a shootout with police. the man now is facing five counts of attempted murder. authorities are trying to determine if he acted alone. police identified a tenth victim in connection with the stabbing spree at that mall in st. cloud, minnesota. an off-duty officer shot and killed the 22-year-old suspect
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who told friends he was planning to -- terrorism is a big topic on the campaign trail. donald trump complaining the new york bombing suspect will be, quote, taken care of by some of the best doctors in the world, after being shot. hillary clinton slamming trump, saying his rhetoric against muslims helps isis recruit more fighters. president obama will address the u.n. general assembly for the last time this morning. he's expected to tout major achievements, including the paris climate accord and the iran nuclear deal, as well as lay out a plan for the future. and tulsa police releasing video showing a white police officer shooting and killing terrence crutcher, an unarmed black man, whose car had broken down. police say crutcher was tased before another officer opened fire. that officer is on paid administrative leave. the victim's family outraged that police could be heard calling crutcher a bad dude in radio traffic. >> oh, my gosh. that is terrible. we're going to need to know a lot more about this story.
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>> and the analysis begins in the right place. you have video. you're able to see what happened here. it helps transparency, will help the investigation. all right. up next, she saw something and she said something. we're going to meet the woman who alerted police to that unexploded pressure cooker bomb at a second new york city location. it is the one that led authorities to the bad guy. >> he is unqualified to be president.
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a major peaiece of evidence that led authorities to the bombing suspect now captured for
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the explosions in new york city and new jersey. it led investigators to getting the suspect's fingerprints, dna, and cell phone. joining us now is jane, the woman who found that pressure cooker just steps away from her front door. good morning, jane. >> hello. >> great to have you here. >> thank you. >> let's take everybody back to saturday night. it was 10:00 p.m. you were in your apartment. you get a phone call. >> from my friend, telling me about the explosion on 23rd street. i wasn't aware of it. so i went running out of my apartment to see what had happened. i didn't get very far, maybe 15 yards, and there was a pot on the sidewalk with wires coming out of it. >> what was your first impression of that pot? >> like, this is weird. someone must have thrown out their old garbage. this must have been something a kid was making. >> like a kid's science project. >> or an artist's kinetic sculpture. >> because you live in
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manhattan. you see some weird trash on the street. so what was it that turned your mind? >> well, i went on to explore what had happened on 23rd street. i was milling around with the crowd. there was a lagging suspicion in the back of my mind that this was a little weird. so i went home again to take a second look. >> and there it was still. it was still there. i thought it had been thrown out with a bunch of garbage, but when i looked again, i saw that it was debris that was surrounding it, not garbage that someone had thrown out after cleaning up their apartment. >> so you did the right thing. you called 911. >> i went upstairs and called 911, especially because there had just been a bomb a few blocks away. made me think this was even more suspicious. >> but when you first saw it -- because look at it there. it does look like it could be a kid's science project, particularly to the untrained eye. who would immediately think, pressure cookerbomb. but when you looked at it and thought about it, did it look
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sinister somehow to you? >> not sinister. it was funny looking. >> okay. so you call 911. what do they say? >> this is high priority, we're on our way. >> okay. then the detectives show up. tell me about that moment. >> i went downstairs to meet with the detectives to show them where it was. they had gotten there and found it. they saw me coming towards them and said, run, get off the block. >> that's scary. >> yeah, that was scary. that's when i thought they were taking it seriously. up until that point, i thought better safe than sorry, but i didn't really think -- who would think there's a pressure cooker bomb on 27th street, the most nondescript street in the city. >> so when police saw you and said run -- >> i ran. >> you ran. where did you go? >> i ran around the corner to my friend cynthia's house, and we played scrabble until 3:00 a.m. >> good relaxation exercise. >> concentration.
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>> so at that point, it became real to you. >> yes, and i had been going down every hour to see if they would let me back in my house, and they wouldn't. at 3:00, i'd either have to sleep at her house or get home, and i wanted to get home, so i found a detective, told him i had called in. he interviewed me and escorted me home. >> so jane, what is it like now for you to know that you were the person -- >> it hasn't sunk in yet. i'll start feeling different during the week, i'm sure. >> i mean, it was because you did the right thing that they were able to find fingerprints and dna, and that was the clue. >> i think anyone who saw it would have called in. it was sort of in a dark area, and there weren't many people walking by. >> are you surprised by how quickly the investigators were able to wrap this up? >> yes, i'm so happy. so relieved. >> i mean, really impressive. also, just so impressive that they took what you -- i mean, you didn't know when you were
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calling in. when you called 911, what was your description? >> there's a strange looking papot on the sidewalk. >> and that was enough to get their attention. they said high priority. >> yeah. >> jane, you personify if you see something, say something. >> yeah. be a responsible citizen. you know, they say that in the subway all the time. if you see something suspicious, call. there's a recorded announcement. so it was sort of in my mind. if you see something, call. i said, yeah, this is certainly something. >> it worked. that public, you know, service campaign worked. >> did. it was great. >> and you did the right thing. now -- i know you say it hasn't sunk in, but when you see now the guy and you saw that there was that shootout with police and you see him in the stretcher -- and i don't know if you can see this surveillance video right there, but that's him lugging what they believe is the pressure cooker to the
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location. that's him in your neighborhood with the duffel bag. what does that make you think? >> scary. scary. everyone that walks by you, you don't know what they're really up to. >> well, jane, new york thanks you. it's great that you did all the right things. you saw something and you said something. tho muan s for sharing your story with us on "new day." great to meet you. let's get over to chris. >> all right. now, when i say bridgegate, you say, all right, i know all about that. happened in new jersey. christie was cleared. wait until you hear what is coming out in court in the first bridgegate trial. prosecutors are now saying something about new jersey governor chris christie that you have not heard before. i was out here smoking instead of being there for my son's winning shot. that was it for me. that's why i'm quitting with nicorette. only nicorette mini has a patented fast dissolving formula. it starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. every great why needs a great how.
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prosecutors on the first day of the trial. the issue has always been, can you tie what happened on the george washington bridge back in 2013 directly to chris christie? now, a couple of partisan panels have not been able to do it. a couple of investigations have not been able to do it. but the u.s. attorney's office in new jersey is now saying they can. that's what they said in the opening statement at this trial. now, it's worth noeting chris christie has maintained he did not know about this. it's something he reiterated to jake tapper this weekend. take a listen. >> i've been investigated by three different entities, two of them led by partisan democrats who, you know, have all found that i had no knowledge of this incident and no involvement in it. so i would have no problem if called to testify by either side. but the fact is that i won't because i really don't have any knowledge of this incident at all. >> now, chris, we always knew the defense was going to try and tie this to chris christie. again, the surprise is the prosecutors were going to do this. that's exactly what they did.
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the big question now becomes, why wasn't he indicted? why isn't he a co-conspirator? prosecutors trying to kind of sidestep that yesterday, saying the focus should be on the two former christie advisers on trial. >> in fairness to the governor, an opening statement by a prosecutor is a provocative thing. it's not the same thing as what they'll be able to prove at trial. the theory is always you only know what they show. not during the opening. he deserves the benefit of the doubt legally. politically, two points. one, what he just said about all those investigations, he never said that about hillary clinton. so the question becomes, how does this reflect on the trump campaign? >> well, chris christie is running the transition operation for the trump campaign. chris christie is not only a top surrogate but also a top adviser. you would think in a normal campaign, this would disqualify him for those roles. i reached out to trump advisers. their universal response is, nope, not at all. donald trump respects loyalty. he'll keep chris christie on the
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transition panel. so don't expect anything happening now with chris christie. the question becomes future prospects should trump win. >> phil mattingly, thank you very much. alisyn? national security again on the front burner. how do hillary clinton and donald trump want to fight terrorism? we break down their proposals next. yeah. well, we gotta hand it thto fedex. glasses. they've helped make our e-commerce so easy, and now we're getting all kinds of new customers. i know. can you believe we're getting orders from canada, ireland... this one's going to new zealand. new zealand?
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all right. so we've just seen the city, new
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york and new jersey, go through these bombings. very scary. then you had the stabbing spree in minnesota. you're going to see all of this reflected in the election. hillary clinton and donald trump both say they have the answer to preventing more attacks at home and abroad. so what are those answers? jim sciutto, cnn's chief national security correspondent, he's here at the magic wall to break it down. thank you for being here. what do we know? both reacting in distinct, ed. different way, but also familiar ways. let's have a listen to what donald trump said just in the hours after this attack. >> i think maybe we're going to be seeing a big change over the last couple days. i think this is something that maybe will happen perhaps more and more all over the country. we're trying to be so politically correct in our country, and this is only going to get worse. this isn't going to get better. >> this is only going to get worse, a consistent message from him. there's fear in that. that's something we've heard after many of these attacks
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before. hillary clinton's message, trying to project calm and experience. let's have a listen. >> we're going after the bad guys, and we're going to get them, but we're not going to go after an entire religion and give isis exactly what it's wanting in order for them to enhance their positions. >> that's a key clinton message there. you've heard donald trump double down on this profiling muslims. we go back to the muslim ban. her message is, listen, it's not the religion that's the problem. i'm going to be tough on this, but we're not going to paint the whole faith with one brush. >> quick fact check. is what she just said true, that you don't go after the whole faith, that's what isis wants. is there proof of that? >> listen, i spent a lot of time in the region. you've been there as well. there's no question that sense of division, us against them, clash of civilizations, serves not just isis but al qaeda's message. they want that. they want it to be us against them. that's part of their recruiting tool, that america has it in for you. they're going to bomb you there.
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you're never going to be welcome in america or europe. so there is some truth to that argument. >> now, on his side, the idea that this is going to get worse, we're going to see a lot more of this, i don't hear that from intelligence officials, do you? >> no, listen, intelligence officials take this very seriously, no question. they know they have a problem. they're particularly concerned about lone wolves because they're hard to find. when they rank their threats, they're talking about russia, china, other things as primary threats to the u.s. terrorism is a big deal, but listen, your chances -- statistically, your chances of being killed in a terror attack rank way below. we've done studying on this. it's right up there with getting struck by lightning. >> both of them see the urgency. what are their plans? >> let's start abroad. this is of course a key part. hillary clinton, a lot of this is familiar. intensify the current fight against isis, iraq, and syria. no big deployment of troops on the ground, et cetera. but let's intensify it. dismantle the network's funding, arms. a lot of this is happening now. combat online propaganda. this is another key thing. people say, well, it's just
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online. that's the way they recruit these guys. that's a big deal. but it's consistent with what's happening now. so some americans might say, you know, i want to try something different. so what does donald trump say? this is a big deal for him. call it radical islamic terror. this is something you'll hear not just from donald trump, but many on the right saying obama will not say those words. >> clinton will. >> she's said, i got no problem saying it. when you say that, there's also something more where donald trump says barack obama founded isis. he says he has a secret plan to fight isis. more recently, he said, well, i may not have a secret plan, but i'm going to talk to the generals afterwards. so there's been some contradiction there from donald trump as to whether he has something in his back pocket to fight this. now he says he will ask generals to provide a plan within the first 30 days. so let's talk about what's going on at home, let's start with donald trump. profile like they do in israel. he talks political correctness.
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we're not identifying the problem, calling it radical islamic terror. we're not -- we're too politically correct not to say that muslims are a problem and we have to look at them more directly. he said that with his international muslim ban but also here domestically at home. extreme vetting because he says it's about immigration. we got to stop these guys at the border, keep out the refugees. the problem with this, he's talked about this muslim ban. first it was from muslim countries. then it's countries that have a terrorism problem. the trouble is, a lot of countries that have terrorism problems are european countries. france, belgium, et cetera. he hasn't been clear on what countries he's talking about exactly. this is a big one. treat american terrorists like enemy combatants so that they don't have the same legal protections that we have as well. then you look at hillary clinton. intelligence surge. now, i talked to intelligence a lot. they're working hard on this
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right now. she hasn't given a lot of clarity as to what a surge is. more people, more money, how does that change things fundamentally. work with the muslim community. this is a big deal. you know this from working in new york. you can't have muslim communities on the other side because they're going to be the people who are going to see some of these early signs here. if you're antagonizing those communities, talking about profiling, you may be turning some of the people you need most away. finally, she talks about giving first responders, law enforcement the tools they need at home. a little bit of money, little bit of training. also about going after the online tools terrorists use to recruit. >> this was very helpful. jim sciutto, thanks for laying it out. what do you think? tweet us @newday or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. there's a lot of news in the terror investigation to tell you about. let's get to it. we have every reason to believe this was an act of
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terror. >> this is the guy you guys are looking for. >> i hear people yell out active shooter, then i heard three shots. >> we have directly linked rahami to devices from new york and new jersey. >> he's a very friendly guy. >> was he acting alone? did he have co-conspirators? was there a foreign connection? >> these attacks with r -- were made possible because of our open immigration system. >> we have to stand up to this hate. america is better than this. >> immigration security is national security. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." up first, new details about the captured bombing suspect. a massive trail of clues and a new jersey bar owner who saw the terror suspect's picture on cnn. all that led police toheir man. we're going to talk to that bar owner in a few minutes. >> the bombing suspect is charged with five counts of attempted murder after injuring
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several police officers in a gun battle. investigators still trying to determine what motivated the attacks and whether he acted alone. we have this covered from every angle for you. let's begin with cnn justice correspondent evan perez. >> the man the fbi believes was at least behind ten bombs at four locations in new york and new jersey was uncooperative in the first few hours after his capture. but investigators are beginning to put together a picture of what may have driven the 28-year-old to carry out the bombings. a note found on the unexploded pressure cooker bomb on 27th street in manhattan contained hand-written ramblings that made references to past terrorists. that includes the boston bombers. that bomb as well as one on 23rd street, which did explode and injured 29 people, bears similarities to the ones used in the boston bombings. law enforcement officials say that the suspect was seen on surveillance video near both locations, hauling a duffel bag. a surveillance video along with fingerprints and records of cell phones that he bought were the

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