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party on october 10th. that means two nuclear bomb test, 15 or 16 missile tests and possibly two rocket launches just this year. >> thanks very much for that report. that is it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett "outfront" start right snow. federal charges against rahami. was he radicalized in afghanistan and pakistan. and did donald trump use money in his foundation to settle his own business lawsuits? i'm going to ask his campaign busy manag manager. let's go "outfront." >> i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight the breaking news. federal charges filed moments ago against alleged bomber ahmed
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khan rahami. charges included use of a bomb of mass construction and the bombing we're also founding out that that dumpster moved 120 feet. windows shattered as high as three stoirsz. much more about the fingerprints and where he even bought the material. some on ebay. this in new york where 29 were injured on saturday night. and some of those materials from ebay according to this federal complaint. this as we're learni ining more about the signs of his battleground. the fbi interviewed his father more than two years before the bombings following on a tip he had called his own sewn a terrorist. earlier today his father spoke to reporters outside the family's chicken restaurant in elizabeth new jersey. >> why did you call the fbi two years ago? what happened? >> he doing bad. >> what? >> he hurt my son. he i hurt my wife. and i put him to jail two years ago. >> and today we're learning much
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more about rahami's wife. aza pibi, a pakistani woman. and here is something important. she was in the united states until days before the bombings. debra, what do you know at this hour. >> the wife now does appear to be cooperating with authorities and she could provide critical information as to where rahami was during his time in pakistan and afghanistan to areas that officials call high risk. rahami himself, the terror suspect still not talking. two years before allegedly detonating a bomb in manhattan, ahmad khan rahami came to the attention of the fbi in new jersey. agents interviewed his father muhamed. following a domestic dispute in which he allegedly called his son a terrorist. >> why did you call the fbi two years ago? what happened? >> he doing bad. >> what did he do bad is this he
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struck my son. he i hit my wife. and i put him to jail two years ago. >> at the time rahami had just returned from a year-long trip to pakistan and afghanistan. officials tell cnn fbi agents did not interview rahami. after conducting internal database review, interagency checks and multiple interview, the fbi ultimately concludes it was a family dispute. >> we reported the domestic incident some time ago. the allegations were recanted and i don't have any other information. we'll keep digging. >> however because of his repeated trips to areas associated with terrorists when rahami returned to the u.s. in 2014 customs and border patrol agents pulled him aside for extra screening. a law enforcement official telling cnn that information was sent to the fbi before the family dispute. while the fbi so far does not believe rahami was part of a terror cell in the area.
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investigators are digging into his connections in the u.s. and overseas to determine if he had any help. >> we have to identify everybody involved moving forward and see what their backgrounds are. see where they have been. what they have been up to. >> rahami allegedly built at least ten bombs. eight pipe bombs and two pressure cooker bombs. a federal law enforcement force tells cnn rahami used a highly volatile chemical explosive. telematerial is so powerful it could create an even bigger blast than the one caused by the boston bombers. tonight investigators are learning more about what could have inspired rahami. after a shootout with police, investigators discovered he had a notebook on him with a bullet hole. according to a law enforcement official it referenced the boston marathon bombers and american born al awlaki.
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>> the bloom blew out all the window, shattered windows across the street and so powerful that it propelled that dumpster across this six-lane highway basically. 23rd street. and i spoke with experts earlier today and he told me he's very surprised that given the sensitivity of the compounds in that pressure cooker that that device didn't detonate sooner. >> thank you very much. out front live uds of the hospital where rahami is being treated in new york new jersey. and what do you know about his condition? is he talking to police cooperating at this time? >> reporter: not just yet erin. we know from police rahami is listed in critical but stable condition and will likely survive according to officials after undergoing surgery for several gunshot wounds. of course those he experienced in that gun battle with linden police officers just yesterday. at this point because of his medical condition, authorities
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have not had a chance to talk to them but we're told federal authorities of course are eager to do so. we should also mention that peter hammer, the second linden police officer that was injured in that gunfight, he was released from the hospital today to his fellow police officer whose stood in line cheering for him. he gave salute back to them and you could see that he had that wound on his forehead. a graze wound he experienced during the gun battle with rahami. his fellow officer angel padillo was released just yesterday. >> our panel -- and i want to spend this time going through the breaking news there is a lot of significant details here in these charges that we are looking at. >> a number of things, including the fact, the key thick which we've been reporting for a couple days now the fact that the unexploded bomb was frankly
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a pinch on this case. there were 12 fingerprints recovered from the unexploded pressure cooker device found on 27th street. that was key to helping identify him. we also, according to these document, the prosecutor, the fbi investigators were able to find lot of evidence from cell phones, including cell phones that belonged to family members. cell phones in which he appears to be exploding practice devices near -- very near to that home in elizabeth, new jersey that we've been showing a lot. the chicken restaurant that's been shown a lot. it appears that this journal that we've also talked about which was recovered, there is a lot of ramblings as we've described it. including a reference to wanting to carry out jihad, hoping that he's able to carry out jihad before the fbi is able to catch him. he makes reference to the people of ft. hood in texas and as well
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as what he refers to his brother'sibrother osa'osama bin laden. the fbi recovered evidence that he bought the components used for these bombs on ebay: common things you could easily buy. and he bought them in the last couple of months in june and july. was able to buy these on ebay. so he's been planning this a while. we previously reported that he bought multiple flip phones, were the phones that are believed to have been used to carry out or to at least be attached. >> as the triggers. >> for the triggers to these devices. >> as even is talking about here. we're learning he was buyi citrc acid. circuit boards. and hardened lead milling balls and all of this on ebay.
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all of this going to the same address. appears he really was living in this home atop of the family chicken restaurant. and yet none of this triggered anything. >> yeah, exactly erin, the problem is we've been promised with these databases that they would be combined in something that set up red flags on the fbi assessment travel to -- to quetta. a whole year in pakistan. that is long time to disappear. this all should appear in databases but it doesn't. the fact is these databases are not unified, if you like. and they don't work. this guy should have been, you know -- they should have looked into him again after the first fbi interview. but it is not entirely fbi's fault. they are just overwhelmed with leads. unless they can tie it to one overt act in the -- for terrorism, they can't do much about this. >> and so let me just ask you
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art about something else we are learning. i want to be clear. he did send most of these to a perth amboy address where he worked. they do say they found a video of him, okay, on a family member's phone from the cellular phone belonging to a family member of rahami of him igniting a bomb. we don't know whether he filmed bish -- but he appears in the video. so it it would appear someone else made the video of him doing an explosion they just a couple of days before the chelsea bombings. >> makes sense he would be out testing this type of device. what's disturbing here is it is on a family member's video. what happened? why wasn't there a phone call made? it was previous reports of domestic disturbances of the
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brother's having a violent confrontation, a stabbing occurred. the father actually named i him as a terrorist back a couple years ago. the fbi did an interview. this really should have triggered something in the family's mind that why is he out behind the chicken restaurant blowing stuff up. and why wasn't any phone call made? this must have been some pretty low grade explosions for nobody to hear them? >> on this front, they are saying that the video was filmed at or in the immediate vicinity of that elizabeth residence. it is not a big place. it was on a family member's phone. is implication is someone else filmed it so someone else knew this was going on. >> right. >> and yet none of this was put together as art pointed out to a guy who -- his father reported him two years oogsz a terrorist. >> another example of see something, say something. so often we hear after an incident is when people say oh i should have reported that but no one seems to do it at the time. and so, you know, again people see something they don't like or
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family members see this, they should have either contacted local law enforcement or contacted the fbi. >> one of the things that is emerging i think in talking to law enforcement official whose have been -- who are doing this case. they tell me the thing that's emerging now is the fact that there was pretty mother nature dysfunctional relationship within this family. >> yes. >> so that is some of the context here. in hindsight this makes sense but at the time certainly as the fbi was looking at this in 2014. >> oh as the domestic issue with the family -- >> and the father recants and says oh no that was just in my -- in the passion of the moment i said that. but i don't really mean that. they spent actually a couple of months looking into this. and getting -- looking at the reports that were received from customs and border protection. they looked at his travel and some of the reports that were filed by people who interviewed him when he came back into the country. and they didn't think it added
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up. now i'll tell you this. this was 2014. if this case i think came up more recently, perhaps things might have turned out differently. >> next rahami's close friends speaks out for the first time. what he's saying about his family life that should shed new light on the investigation tonight. plus inside a bomb lab for a closer look at the devastating effects of pressure cooker bomb as we're learning the horrific details tonight of just how damaging this bomb was. and president george hw. bush is voting for hillary clinton he says. trump's campaign manager is our guest. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here.
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an family members phone there was video of him exploding a twice ddevice days ago. court documents showing the family was in turmoil. >> friends of ahmad khan rahami point to a lifelong feud between the eldest son and his strict father who brought his country here to asylum but also trying to hold on to a strict family tradition for afghanistan. >> for him, it was his father. it was just tension. it was his part too. he should have listened more to his father. maybe, you know, stayed in school. >> this long time friend of the accused bomber says in his teens rahami was outgoing, funny and looking forward to a future in law enforcement. in high school though he got his girlfriend pregnant and struggled to make child support payments. there was more stress and it led to one of the most dramatic
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events in his life. the time his father literally abandoned him in pakistan. >> he told me himself that he was basically left there and he had to find his own way. which i'm sure traumatized him for life. >> the friend who doesn't want to be identified said it was a shock when ahmad actually came back. >> he left and they took away his way of coming back and that was about it. and it hurt him a lot. and that night like when he told me he said it in a very devastated way. >> during multiple trips back and forth to afghanistan and pakistan, ahmad and his brother married pakistani cousins. he asked his wife to step in when -- had visa issues. >> after they got a passport they found out she was 35 week pregnant and would not give the entry visa and said they would give they are visa once she had
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the baby. >> after she was allowed in the u.s. rahami and his wife tried to get away from the troubled family life moving into this apartment but a friend says they couldn't afford it, were evicted and ended up back in the family apartment governor the chicken shop. >> it was not good what happened. >> lawsuits over big debts incurred by the father. allegation of child abuse by the mother. the tight quarters led to family fights in 2014 the violence escalated. ahmad pulled a knife and according to this arrest warrant pulled a knife and stand him in the left leg. >> it was a very bad situation for ahmad. he was trying to live with his parents and his wife and kids. but i guess drama just unfolded that night between them. >> this friend erin is not
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excusing any of the actions of ahmad rahami. he just came forward to explain the terrible home life ahmad was trapped in. he blames his friend for making terrible decisions to try to get out of it. erin. >> and now his former classmate and coworker. amargie sing. what was your reaction when you first heard that he was a suspect in the bombings? >> little as i know ahmad rahami, when i get an i alert on my phone, i was at work. didn't pay any mind to it as much. just looked at it and then, you know, put my phone away and then saw his picture. still didn't really, you know, pointed it out because i didn't really got any contact with him for such a long time. and after my mom asked me to send a picture over to her so she could have it in her phone, that is when i looked close before sending it to her. and i zoomed in a couple of
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times to see if that is really him or not. and i was starting -- you know, i was just in shock, seeing that was ahmad that i knew. from back when he used to work with me. >> and you know we just heard, you know, a another one of his friends talking about his feud with his father and of course we now know his father accused ahmad of being a terrorist in 2014. what was their relationship like? >> i didn't get in touch with ahmad around that time. last time i think i spoke to him was around 2012. he used to work with me basically around between 2011 to 12. and his relationship with his father when he spoke to me during work times, which was 6:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. a lot of times in between. he spoke to me, told me -- like he didn't really get along with his father as much. due to because he had a daughter that was not in his race. >> all right.
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so you also know i know during the time you knew ahmad. he became more religious. we're just learning tonight he posted a journal a letter where he talked about osama bin laden and other members of al qaeda. that he talked about jihad. what was he like? terms of his religion? >> he never spoke about any of that. he was more just going to pray and raise his daughter religious. every time he'd bring his daughter to his mom and, you know, do it the right way so she won't feel like she's out of the race and so they could feel more comfortable with it and probably accept him more i think. >> amargie, thank you very much for taking the time -- you are
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now learning more about rahami's wife, his current wife. the pakistani woman. >> right. she had a pre-planned trip. a trip she had planned for some time. bought the tickets. traveled overseas. we don't know exactly when she traveled. however she was on her way back we're told by sources and when all of this went down she was intercepted. she was stopped in the united arab emirates. and today the fbi was able to take a statement from her and she went and spoke to the fbi legal attache in the embassy and provided a statement. the fbi does not believe she had anything to do with this but they certainly wanted to talk to her because she might have seen certain things. we don't know exactly everything she said but they describe her as being cooperative with their investigation. >> and this begs the question.
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there is her and also the fact that we now know he was doing his training or bomb building, at least some of it, right there in those tiny quarters by the chicken restaurant. it appears very clear that somebody knew something was wrong. >> oh erin i think absolutely. when you hit hmtd with a hammer and it explode, you hear it. it is a crack it. sounds like a bullet. so the fact that, you know, he was testing the stuff in the backyard. he clearly had problems inside the family. he's going off to quetta, the rest of it. they could have added this up and said it was going very badly. i'm not paying attention to the father talking to the fbi and saying he's a terrorist. because he didn't provide any proof of that. but two years later when he's testing these explosives? oh absolutely. and the wife not knowing anything, it would surprise me. the family always knows something is going on at some point. >> and again, the question here
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we still don't know whether others were involved and the complexity, three different types of bombs at least that we're aware of and some of them requiring some real expertise or knowledge to build. >> we were talking earlier, jeff and i. and we were specifically talking about that. that on the one hand he seems to be somewhat knowledgeable about what he's doing putting these -- the complexities of the explosive that went into the pressure cooker was -- you know, takes some knowledge to put that together. but then where his placement of the bombs and, you know, was he dumping the bombs in jersey? the pipe bombs that he threw in the trash can that were found by the two homeless gentlemen. so there is a real paradox going on here. on the one hand his knowledgeable. on the er he's pretty ip ept. >> fortunately he's in custody. so the investigation now is building the motivation and also anybody who may have assisted.
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>> right that's -- >> so i think right now it is not going to require the 24/7 like past weekend they are going to be working to exploit the information as quickly as possible to determine if there is somebody else there and trail them and apprehend them. >> and up next donald trump son and skittles and
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break news. the former president h wush says he's voting for hillary clintcl. a republican ex-president coming out and saying he's voting for
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the democratic candidate. >> let's face it, we've had a lot of republicans defect. and there are splits in the bush family. >> but this is the first former president. >> and he was chairman of the republican national committee. he was the party chairman. so this is a big deal. >> and are other bush family members following suit? >> we've been reaching out to bush 43, and he's sticking with his guns. he's sitting this one out. he's not going to say anything. the only thing his spokesman reiterated today was he is going to do everything possible to reelect republicans to congress but he will not say who he's voting for. however the bushes do not vote as a flock. jeb bush told me he's going to not vote for donald trump and he's not going vote for hillary clinton either. he has not decided who's going to vote for. maybe he'll write someone in.
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his son, george bush who's the texas land commissioner is voting for donald trump and is trying to get other republicans to vote for trump. so it is a mixed bag. and barbara bush, last time i saw her, she said i'm sick of donald trump and i don't know how any woman could vote for her. she's not on the record as voting for hillary clinton. but in her usual candid way i think we know. she's not voting for donald trump. >> right. it is pretty amazing for a former president to come out and say that. one thing to not say anything at all. thank you jamie. and outfront now. donald trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway.
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who is your response to that? >> i respect the 92-year-old president very much and his decision. and i think americans are very grateful to the bush family for his service. that is his right. ironic he would vote for the man who -- wife of man who took his place. he lasted through south carolina. got out of the race before march 1st. so there are a lot of hurt feelings there. that is his right. i think what's most disturb about this report to me erin is someone divulged a private conversation. it doesn't seem it was meant for public consumption and that is always very bothersome to me. >> originally saying to a member of the kennedy family as the private gathering. he's of course since come out and said it and said to jamie.
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but fair point, it was originally meant to be private. i want to ask you kellyanne about the another story breaking. this is the washington post reporting trump may have violated laws through his foundation foundation. they lay out several donations he made to charities in order to settle lawsuits. one involved mar-a-lago. a $100,000 donation to a veterans charity and to settle fines mar-a-lago owned palm beach about some dispute over a flag pole. and of course it is --. are you concerned at all that trump may have broken the law? >> no. and i would point out in the second paragraph of that story that you mention erin, it says "may have" and later on it says the irs may want to look into it but of course they haven't. and let's go back. this is classic donald trump. he wanted to raise the american
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flag as high as he possibly could over mar-a-lago. i a lot of americans would applaud and the county said you couldn't do it. i had to be smaller. so they started assessing a $1250 a day fine. the way they settled it was for mr. trump to donate 100,000 dollars for a veterans group. i don't want that to be lost here. so the money went to veterans. the trumps foundation started with mr. trump's money. she was sole owner for a long time. the trump foundation has no permanent staff not. paid staff. no over head. no one from the trump family takes a penny as salary or as benefits. contrast that to the strush fund otherwise known as the clinton foundation. as we speak they have their international donor fly in so they can pick up all kinds of foreign cash to coincide with the u.n. general assembly. i think there is no comparison between tw two foundation, especially when you think about hillary clinton being a public
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servant, secretary of state, while the clinton foundation was doing a lot of its cash collecting. when they left the white house they were quote, dead broke. but boy are they worth a quarter of a billion dollars now and it is no coincide that it went along with the clinton foundation and her time with the state department. >> let me ask a couple of questions you raise. the post saying may have and you are right it says may have. goes on to quote a lawyer jeff retannenbaum who advises 700 non profits annually and his quote was i've never encountered anything so brazen. as brazen an example of self dealing as i've seen in a while, again referring to the mar-a-lago. and another one with a golf course. a donation from a foundation to charity to settle a dispute. can you categorically say there was no self dealing? or are you not sure at this point? >> well, i've been talking to the people who are responsible for the trump foundation today trying to get some facts and some figures. and i know this is all
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developing. we need to gather information. but let me tell you something. it is very important for people to you said what happened in these cases. donations went to veterans groups. donations wept to another person's foundation in another instance. the idea that the money -- when people hear self dealing they think immediately it is going or the plane rides and fancy hotels and expensive meals and salaries and over head. again that sounds to me like the clinton foxx where a report this weekend said about --. >> -- the point was the trump foundation and if this was settling a lawsuit that enabled donald trump's business to benefit, whether it be mar-a-lago or a golf course. that would possibly then be self-dealing? >> sorry, how did his golf course benefit from him redirecting moneys that mistakenly came to the trump foundation. he redirected them to a private foundation base offend
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hole-in-one contest. they went to the right foundation after that. how in the world did his business benefit from that? how did mar-a-lago benefit from him giving 100,000 dollars to veterans. the veterans benefit. and i think that is great. i applaud him for doing that. >> -- lawsuit -- settled, right? that would be how to business benefitted. >> well there are many lawsuits every day against people. that's -- i think that is a bridge -- you are making things up based on facts as they are not reported in this story which also used a lot of conditional phrasing, i would like to point out. but look, foundations exist to help charities, to help those in need. and mr. trump has been incredibly generous throughout his career. routinely he is signing check privately to help people that isn't even part of the foundation. could you imagine? i know you can imagine, erin. you can only imagine how many
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people have asked mr. trump for his time and his resources and his connections and his money privately. and he does that. he doesn't have cameras in there. it doesn't go through foundations. and by the way, everybody should also note that foundation dispersements as you know under federal law are all a matter of public record. that is how this washington post reporter seems a little -- >> but you -- >> -- record. >> as the matter of public record when it comes to the foundation and you mention that he writes private checks. obviously part of the issue here, for some people, is that trump has not donated to his own foundation since 2009. he did up to that point and then he no longer did. >> for decades. for decades, erin. >> -- okay. >> the foundation started in 1997. let's be fair. the foundation started about 1987. for a very long time donald trump was the only donor to the foundation. people think there is no history
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before 2009. let's be fair to him. and some people think this is an issue. i don't see it in a cnn poll anywhere. i see jobs, economy, terrorism, healthcare, immigration. good lord just down the street from us right here we had this radical islamic terrorist whose ex-wife says he hate gay, hates america. tried to kill people. thank god he didn't. but he certainly scared a lot of people and injured people who have a prayers here at the trump campaignality. i want to talk about issues americans are talking about but this isn't on the list. >> when you talk about the private checks and private donations, everybody would know what they were, there would be no issues if he just put out his personal taxes, all that would be out there for everybody and quiet perhaps some of this, which i will say i do believe is a real issue. to have full financial transparency. and i said that with mitt romney as well. >> one thing you wouldn't see in
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his tax returns is 16.5 million dollars for some advisory position at laureate that bill clinton gets. you wouldn't see 21 1$1/2 millin from 92 speeches that hillary clinton gave. i think if we're going to use foundations as an issue, we actually -- that would be great if actually people want to do some fair even-handed reporting about the foundations at work here. because the clintons are very involved in their foundations. seem to have financially benefitted. seem to have used through the foundation to help, not to have necessarily the victim this is the earthquake in haiti get all the money. but certainly to help their friends and allies and colleagues --. but also around the world. >> i want you on the record about another news story out there today. of course the tweet from donald trump jr.
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he tweeted a graphic yesterday that likened syrian refugees to skittles. the image says it add let's end the politically correct agenda that doesn't put america first. trump 2016. if i had a bowl of skittles and told you three would kill you would you take a handful? that is our syrian refuge problem. obviously he got a lot of criticism for that. mars put out statement they don't feel it is an appropriate analogy. i know you and the campaign have an issue with the lack of vetting that's possible with a lot of syrian refuges with the increase in syrian refuges but do you believe that this analogy specifically was appropriate? >> well the analogy was not -- i don't think it is as you just characterized it. but what i do think, what we do know is that many americans are very concerned with the lack of vetting that is going on. we see what's happening all across europe, erin. the lack of vetting there and
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just sort of sure come on over. that's been a disaster. many women have been raped and you know that there's -- look at germany. look at the problems in france. and of course, you know, it's really a shame to those refuges who want to come here through the regular channels and who are law-abiding peaceful people. which of course is most of them. it is a shame that people are resisting vetting programs that would actually just keep out those who want to do us harm. the idea that hillary clinton's plan wants to increase syrian refuges by 550% is very concerning to many americans. they know what's happened. they know there's home grown terrorism here. they know people are coming into our country like in san bernardino and they know they are being radicalized and they come here on fiancé visas. they kill 14 innocent coworkers who's biggest crime is giving them a baby or bridal shower and going to a christmas party? so people aren't blind they want to have a country where people
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coming in are known to our authorities and in charge of this and we have to start giving local law enforcement and federal authorities the tools they need. many of them tell us, tell mr. trump and our campaign all the time they feel very ham strung. like they can't do that irjob. so careful vetting of countries that are, again, where there aren't -- there is not vetting going on now. where we don't have strict vetting processes at all. and which have a history of terror or exploiting terror i think is incredibly important. matching up with what many people have said. just this week twice on the campaign trail he has said immigration security is national security. that is a phrase that resonates with many americans. >> so kellyanne, i want to ask you about something with donald trump. he was very critical of hillary clinton not taking reporter questions. as were we at cnn. that's a changed in recent days. and trump himself has thul not held a formal press conference in 55 days.
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the last was on july 27th. will he do it again? will he start having press conferences? hillary clinton to be fair is now doing this almost every day. >> well when hillary clinton is in front of the press se has the press asking her these. you might as well ask her, lovely blouse, where did you get it today mrs. clinton. some of these are not journalist. do you think this is will -- did you see this question are a bloomberg reporter yesterday? and she also gets words like bombing --. i watched cnn all weekend and what are they saying? donald trump called it a bomb before it was a bomb. it was a bomb. and very few people were mentioning from a journalistic point of view that hillary clinton also said the bombings or the bombing -- >> the question kellyanne is -- >> -- >> sure he'll take questions but erin we're very -- i have to respectfully disagree because mr. trump is out there every day
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in public places are rallies. with voters. not at fundraisers where the cameras are not allowed like which does constantly. and the a lot of the people who travel with us don't give us a the positive tweet. are they not there in fort myers yesterday where i was with mr. trump. 10,000 inside and 31,000 rsvps for a place that only held 3500 people. it is incredible. we don't get stories. he gives press availability every day by doing these rallies in these swing states where he is every single day and they are are there with him. we don't get fair questions. just last night cnn added in the word racial. your network added in racial to make it look like she head said racial profile where is he never had. >> i want to interrupt you there because that was a lower third as we call them on our screen. it actually happened during this hour and i want to make it clear
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the word racial should not have been put in quotes. >> thank you. >> but i want to ask you something about this though. a lot of other people were happy to describe it as racial profiling without putting quotation marks around it because donald trump continually speaks about profiling related to muslims. if it wasn't racial, what specific profiling is he talking about? >> how about a profiling where hypothetically speaking a man who then has pressure cooker bombs in new jersey and new york, father tells authority my son is a terrorist and then they drop it. they don't investigate it. he's not on a watch list. >> he did recant just to be clear. >> let's start -- the father recanted and did they look in this man's -- he was caught yesterday sleeping in a bar in the middle of the morning and the authorities caught him. we in this campaign can't show enough lav and gratitude and
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respect to the law enforcement. and you sate on display yesterday. law enforcement in linden, new jersey capturing this criminal. and what was in his journals? they found anti-american, pro isis stuff in the journals i read in the paper today. he had been to afghanistan. his wife or his ex-wife said he hates gays. he hates america. he is a terrorist. his father said he was a terrorist. if authorities are going look the other way, then at least we have a presidential candidate who's telling the americans who say i'm so tired of looking the other way. we don't have a vetting process. we don't have border. we have people so worried about political correctness that this -- look what this did the other night. people were injured. >> this issue of profiling and whether it is racial, ethnic, religious -- all of them -- >> -- >> it is not just the mainstream media saying this and having these questions.
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it's come up on fox news several times. let me just play so you can hear it, kelly. >> another thing you said that was very controversial is you want to profile. you want to profile arab or muslim men. how would that work? >> well we have no choice. look, israel does and it they do it very successfully. in san bernardino they saw bombs laying around the apartment. people saw it. and they wanted to be -- they called it racial profiling. we didn't want to call in because of racial profiling. in other words a lawyer got to them and said you got a problem here. you knew it was a -- say racial profiles. but look whether it's racial profiling or politically correct. we better get smart. we are letting tens of thousands of people into our country. we don't know what the hell we're doing. >> i want surveillance of certain mosques, okay? if that's okay.
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>> so if it isn't religious, if it isn't ethnic or racial, what is it? >> it's base on what he just said, which is look at san bernardino. let's use an actual real-world example instead of hypotheticals here. in the real world san bernardino happened. there are 14 families who will always feel grief because people looked the other way. the reports afterwards, cnn went right out there and you had people saying yeah i thought it was kind of weird or i saw bomb-making devices or whatever they were at the time. it wasn't as if people were just hanging around with all people of different ethnic backgrounds and say ji gee i didn't see bomb making materials the idea that people feel they have a reason to be suspicious and don't feel comfortable to say that. i talked to mayor giuliani about this. we used to have police officers were able to patrol certain places of worship based on
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reasonable spigss. and that is just all gone away.. and that is just all gone away. we in this country if we're going to have a country, it would be nice too know whews a here and why. in the case of this rahami in new jersey, he had been to afghanistan and his wife said he came back, hating america. hating gase. being so akry. his father called him a terrorist. if this doesn't raise suspicion among law enforcement, what in the world will? how many more people have to die or be injured in chelsea new york for us to wake up erin for us to wake up? >> appreciate your time tonight. the campaign manager kellyanne conway for donald trump. and next what kellyanne was just talking about. bombing suspect ahmad rahami spent extended periods of time in two communities in
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back to our top story. the breaking news aloft. officials telling cnn u.s. customs and border protections notified the fbi about the suspect ahmad rahami's overseas
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travels. a yearlong trip to pakistan and afghanistan. the trip may have been a turning point. out front in afghanistan is i've watson. what else do you know about that trip to afghanistan? >> reporter: he made a couple of trips, 2011 and 2013. that one lasted almost a year according to u.s. officials. on the first trip he found a pakistani wife. we're told by u.s. officials he's in the united arab emirates right now and she's cooperating with u.s. officials and expected to return to the u.s. some time in the coming weeks. rahami, according to the u.s. officials, was subjected to tis additional question when he came back to the u.s. from these trips and when asked why he was spending so much time he said he was visiting relatives, that he was attending an uncle's ed
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weding for example. we don't know exactly what he was doing on the ground. the afghan and pakistani governments have not spoken to the press but you bet the united states is reaching out for more information. it is worth noting the taliban and the al qaeda in the indian subcontinent have both denied any links or any connections to ahmad rahami or to the bombings in new jersey and new york. >> and let me just ask you this. this -- okay. all right. thank you very much ivan. obviously live from kabul. we're learning more tonight about the bombs themselves and i want to get to the latest just coming in. because we're learning from federal officials at this hour that rahami bought what he needed to make his bombs on ebay and shipped them to where he
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worked. had shipped to one place. didn't raise red flags. how destructive can these easily obtainable materials be in a bomb? -- is out front. >> three, two, one. >> the power of a pressure cooker bomb. packed r packed with explosives and bolts. this is what a terrorist can do. buy materials in a hardware store using knowledge pulled from the internet. pressure cooker bombs. used in the attack in new york and at the boston marathon. >> thinking you can think of to turn something on or off can be used to initiate a device. >> flip phones. motion detecters. coconuted to simple pipes. >> you can add your own shrapnels. this is adding nails so when it explodes it send it is nails off at, you know, a thousand feet per second. put a lid on it and confine it so it locks everything in.
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the thing is they can easily fit into anybody's backpack. and you walk down the street. >> a pressure cooker bomb with a frag pack inserted. >> we asked for an up close look at just how damaging a pressure cooker bomb can be. we won't show how but this will be filled with explosives. a plywood set up to be people. >> three two one. >> that is where the pressure cooker was on the ground. and you can see it's actually created a crater. >> where is the shrapnel?
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>> the shrapnel has gone out in all directions. if you look at the plywood you can see some holes in the this chunk of plywood. >> if a person was standing where this plywood was? >> they are going to be severely injured. the global expression of knowledge is what it is today. as much as you can learn anything on the internet, i think that is what we're faced with. >> and that was keung law. good evening. federal prosecutors have just filed charges against a man suspected of planting bombs in new york and new jersey including a weapons mass destruction charge and we're getting more of the puzzle, including how the suspect allegedly gathered the components for the bombs. suspect still in a hospital in newark. and we're g

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