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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. just minutes from now we are expecting to hear from the family of an african-american man killed in the latest police shooting in north carolina. charlotte police now say that man was armed with a hand gun and they have recovered that gun. but the family of the suspect, keith lamont scott, the scott family says he was sitting in his car and reading a book. he did not have a gun. this man's death is fueling protests as anger boils over in yet another american city. you can see protesters filled the streets in charlotte last
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night. 16 police officers injured in all, several police cars damaged. only one arrest so far. this after the justice department announces the investigation into the police killing of this man, terrence crutcher. this went down in tulsa, oklahoma. police now say crutcher was not armed but he ignored their commands. the latest incidents pushing the concerns of african-americans into the political spotlight. hillary clinton and donald trump touching on the tragedies as they try to connect with african-american voters. there was a lot to cover this morning. you listened to that long news conference in charlotte which was surprising because they gave out a lot of information. >> reporter: they really did give a lot of information but we still don't know a lot because the investigation is really just getting under way at this point as the chief made so very clear. first i want to talk about scott. his family says 43 years old, he had seven children and as you said, he was a family man. they say he was actually waiting for one of his kids to get off the school bus, sitting in his
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car reading, and not armed when officers approached. of course, different narrative than we just heard from the police chief. they say that when officers got there, they were going to that apartment complex to serve a search warrant to another man and that scott allegedly got out of his car with a gun, got back in, and then when officers approached, authorities say scott didn't listen to their commands, got back out of the car and that's when the shooting happened. police said as you said, gun was found on scott, no book. take a listen to what the police chief had to say. >> he exited the vehicle armed with a hand gun. the officers observed him get back into that vehicle, at which time they approached the vehicle to engage this subject. the officers gave loud, clear verbal commands which were also heard by many of the witnesses.
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they were instructing the subject once he got out of the vehicle to drop the weapon. in spite of their verbal commands, mr. scott as i said, exited this vehicle armed with a hand gun, as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. he stepped out, posing a threat to the officers, and officer brentley vinson subsequently fired his weapon, striking the subject. >> reporter: the officer who fired the shot also an african-american man. police identified him as brently vinson. he's on paid administrative leave. he was in palain clothes at tha apartment complex but there were other officers around. he was not wearing a body camera. as you can imagine, this sparked protests that led into the early morning hours. there was looting. 16 officers were injured. protesters were injured. it was a tumultuous night in
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charlotte. here's more about what the police chief had to say about all that unfolded on charlotte's streets. >> about quarter until two this morning, an additional group of protesters and agitators gathered. they made their way down to interstate i-85 and they blocked both lanes, northbound and southbound. they broke into the back of a tractor trailer and started setting items on fire. we gave multiple orders for dispersal to the crowd. when they were unheeded, we deployed gas to disperse the crowd. >> reporter: now among the people frustrated, angry, is scott's daughter. she posted a video on facebook showing the moments after she found out that her father was
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dead. here it is. >> i want the [ bleep ] police officer that [ bleep ] shot my [ bleep ] daddy and killed him! he's dead. that's on the news, he's [ bleep ] dead! >> you going to explain that? >> i'm about to set [ bleep ] off! >> reporter: this is just the beginning of this investigation. we are expecting to learn so much more. police saying they reviewed witness statements, they have video of -- dash cam video they are looking at as well as body cam video. we are only at the beginning and will hopefully he learn more in the coming hours. i want to bring in congressman robert pettinger, republican from north carolina. this is his district where the protests are going down. welcome, sir. >> good morning. >> just your general reaction to what's happening in your district. >> well, it's sad and it's tragic with any loss of life, and i feel deeply for this family. i do know after 25 years of working closely with the
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charlotte mecklenburg police department that they have a record and history of accountability and transparency. i know chief pitney will make sure there's a clear review and evaluation of what occurred to make sure protocols were followed and we will get all the facts in together. from what i have heard and seen, the man was carrying an armed pistol and that was a threat. >> chief putney tried to give as much information to the public as he could. he seemed to be holding himself back and not trying to show his emotions, but one thing he said struck me. he talked about not listening to a voiceless majority. i'm going to play what he said just moments ago and i would like your reaction. here it is. >> people are watching how we respond, how we react and i'm optimistic that the results of our action will be positive,
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will have positive outcomes, but it's time for the voiceless majority to stand up and be heard. it's time to change the narrative. because i can tell you from the facts that the story's a little bit different as to how it's been portrayed so far, especially through social media. >> so congressman, what do you suppose the chief means by the voiceless majority? >> well, you have several hundred people, their emotions are very high, they have of course the interest of the media and it raises deep concerns. i think many of us understand that these are tragic instances that require the police department to do an evaluation and they are going to do that. i do know after riding shotgun with charlotte mecklenburg police over the last 25 years, from 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. shift, they face enormous challenges and i have been in the middle of riots where they
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have had to disperse people. so these are not easy solutions for them, when they are right in the middle of someone who is confronting them with a lethal weapon. i think those of us who understand this process, we just need to stand and be still, let clear thinking prevail, let the facts come out. >> what message would you send to your district today, sir? >> i would say that the message i would hope was that people would be calm, that they would believe the best about our law enforcement, they would believe the best about each other. i know i have friends in dallas and in charleston, one thing their community did, get together was to pray. they prayed in their churches. the people in the urban churches, black churches, went to the suburban churches and vice versa. they had a very calming effect that helped make sure this didn't happen again in those two cities. >> one of the difficulties i think in communities is there seems to, you know, republicans
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and democrats seem to have taken sides. like the police are always right on one side, the demonstrators are always right on the other. how can we bridge that gap? >> well, let's look for the truth. let's look for the facts. i know they will come out. as you said, there's video cameras of this and it will be clearly demonstrated. it's also clear that our chief is an african-american, the man who is the police officer is african-american. this was not a racial issue. this is a very tough job for law enforcement to keep order and to keep peace in the middle of violence and chaos. chaos and violence and looting, that's no way to resolve a problem. reason has to prevail among those people who have deep emotions and deep concerns and i really empathize with what they're going through but those police officers are there to protect everybody. >> congressman, thanks so much for joining me this morning.
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king. but here he is speaking on behalf of donald trump. helpful? >> he may have a nominal impact in the city of cleveland. don king also owns the column post. it's not like he's got a tremendous amount of credibility. again, most of these things that donald trump is doing at this point are not necessarily to really get black voters. it's much more of an attempt to sort of make himself appear less hostile. i have attended pastor scott's church. i have a pretty good idea of what he's about. he's had absolutely no impact on that community. that church has been there for years. no one knows him politically. he literally only magically appeared on the scene once he became part of the donald trump campaign. so i don't see this making that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, certainly not in that cuyahoga county which is a pretty blue place. >> you are from cleveland, right, so you know what you're talking about. why choose this event, you
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think? >> the reason why is pastor scott is the only place trump can go. this is the thing. there's not a lot of places where he's going to be welcome. let's be clear. we have seen, this is now the third african-american church donald trump has attended. the first one, there was hardly anybody in the room. the second one, he take a minuted to -- attempted to make a political speech and cowered because the pastor had the audacity to tell him to talk about the church instead of making it political. now he's with a pastor who has no local credibility, no credibility throughout the region and it will be a safe place for him to have a town hall and promote his agenda. if you look at the numbers, it doesn't change anything. donald trump is still at zero, 2% in places like michigan, pennsylvania and ohio. i think this is part of his overall campaign to claim that i am a functional candidate as opposed to someone who continually associates himself with terrorist organizations like the klan. >> so dana, do you agree that
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this doesn't help at all with the african-american community? >> i think the way to look at donald trump's outreach to the african-american community is less about trying to get people on donald trump's side and more about trying to get the african-american community, at least chip away a little bit at hillary clinton's numbers. because when you look at a state like ohio, perfect example, for hillary clinton to win, she's got to win big in the urban areas and she's got to win big with the african-american voters. that's the obama coalition. that's how president obama did well in some of these -- many of these battleground states. so for the trump campaign to go into places like this and to just, as jason was saying, to appear less objectionable but more importantly, to make people stop and think maybe even if it's just a small, small, small percentage, well, i'm not going to go out and vote for hillary
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clinton, even if they're not going to necessarily take the plunge and go for donald trump, that could make a difference, especially when up until last week or so, the enthusiasm for hillary clinton among black voters is not very high, especially among millenials and that is what the clinton campaign and the democratic party in general, they are working very hard on in these communities. >> donald trump has in the last several days trying to garner some support or enthusiasm among african-american voters, listen to what he said last night. >> we're going to rebuild our inner cities because our african-american communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they have ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. you take a look at the inner cities, you get no education, you get no jobs, you get shot walking down the street. they're worse -- i mean, honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities.
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>> so there are so many untruths in what donald trump just said. does he really think that the african -- i'm sorry, i will pose this question to paul. so paul, there are a lot of untruths in what donald trump just said. so who is he speaking for? because some african-americans would listen to that and they would be appalled. >> and keep in mind, he was doing that in north carolina and the shooting last night and the protests, riots that broke out afterwards were in north carolina, and north carolina at the moment is a swing state between clinton and trump. it is basically neck and neck in the polls. notice this morning, donald trump sent out a couple of tweets saying that the violence and the unrest needs to stop. for the african-american community, frequently when you say well, their streets are dangerous, they will reply yeah, because the cops are shooting at us. so i think you will see that trump is in north carolina
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trying to reach out or at least trying to appear he's reaching out to the black community but i'm not sure he's speaking a language they are particularly attuned to. he is focusing more on the law and order portion of this discussion about we shouldn't have protests in the streets. that is not something i think that is appealing directly to the black community, particularly in a state like north carolina, particularly after last night. >> you know, it will be interesting to see what he does say in this cleveland church about the shootings that have taken police over the last several days involving police officers and african-americans. hillary clinton was on the steve harvey show yesterday. she brought up the shooting in tulsa, oklahoma. here's what she said. >> -- horrible shooting again? how many times do we have to see this in our country, in tulsa, an unarmed man with his hands in the air? i mean, this is just unbearable and it needs to be intolerable, and so you know, maybe i can by speaking directly to white
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people, say look, this is not who we are. >> a couple of things here. first of all, we don't have all the facts in the oklahoma case. we don't really know exactly what happened or why police felt they had to open fire. so isn't hillary clinton jumping the gun? that's a terrible -- forget i said that. isn't hillary clinton getting ahead of herself? >> no, carol. not from the experience of most people in this country. we have to -- >> from the perspective of white voters, though, isn't she? some white voters? >> not necessarily. i think at this point, we have even seen this online in the last couple days. there are people who were previously, for example, criticizing colin kaepernick who after the shooting in tulsa have turned around and said you know, jerry rice and other athletes said okay, we get it, that's pretty bad. this guy had his hands up, his car was messed up. i don't think that hillary clinton is in any way harming her chances with white voters. her key demographic right now
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which is why she's on something like a steve harvey show, is she's got to get black millenials and generation xers to be enthusiastic about voting inform her. that's what she's trying to do. she's got the number of white voters she's going to get. she's not going to increase or decrease. it's the black vote she needs. >> i want the panel to stay there. still to come, we take you back to cleveland and maybe listen to donald trump. we'll be right back.
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good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me.
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i want to take you back to cleveland, ohio, where donald trump is now speaking to a group of pastors at the new spirit revival center. let's listen. >> -- somebody said we're up in maine. maine's not a state where republicans are exactly, you know, flocking to. but we're up in maine. it's an amazing, amazing thing. we're doing great in connecticut. we're doing great all over, actually. so we're winning florida, we're winning ohio, i see we're winning north carolina. we're winning --'s tit's an ama thing. we're winning colorado. we're up four points. we're up in other places that are amazing places. we're thrilled. we just had a very good poll from new mexico. new mexico. so we're winning areas that are not usually areas that people consider in play.
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that's why you're seeing the board, remember the board three, four weeks ago, the whole electoral map, well, trump has a very -- now all of a sudden all these states are opening up. they're saying wait a minute, what's going on here. they're writing about it and we are working very, very hard and hopefully at the end -- i have to also thank mike pence. what an unbelievable person. and you know, the first time i met mike, i liked him a lot and he was very much considered that this was going to be his position. lot of people wanted him to run. right? he's run incredibly in indiana, very, very popular. has one of the most successful states. they have a triple a bond rating. their taxes have gone down. their employment has been incredible. they brought companies in, one of the few places that has actually brought companies. it's been a great story. the story he's done is incredible. but the first time i met him, we had a wonderful meeting, lasted
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20 minutes, and i actually asked him for his endorsement because i was running in indiana which we won in a landslide. and he couldn't do that because of the fact that he had other commitments and he endorsed ted cruz. but the next day when he made the endorsement, i thought it was more of an endorsement for me because he started talking about how great donald trump is, then he said i'm voting for ted cruz and let's get back to donald trump. the guy's unbelievable. in fact, ted cruz didn't know whether or not he was endorsed. i thought it was one of the great -- but i liked him regardless. i liked him a lot. but he said something after that first 15 or 20 minutes, i left and he said donald, may we pray. >> all right. we are going to hop out. when donald trump starts to address issues of the day we will take balk you back to clev. we want to move on to the
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terror investigation in new jersey and new york. new chilling details about ahmad rahami, among them allegations he bought materials on ebay to build his bombs, tested out explosives days before the attack and praised osama bin laden in his journal. rahami is now up against federal charges including use of weapons of mass destruction. we have also learned that his wife is now cooperating with authorities. our justice correspondent evan peres has more for you this morning. >> the charges that have been filed in new jersey and in new york are the first federal charges that he's now facing. we expect that he will have to eventually be presented before a judge, but these charges that were described in these criminal complaints are extraordinary. in addition to the details you just mentioned, he bought, on ebay, some of the components for the bombs including citric acid and circuit boards which he used to build the bombs. we also learned in this criminal
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complaint that the fbi obtained video from family member's phone that showed essentially a practice run at building a bomb. the interesting thing about this video is that it opens the possibility that some family member could end up facing legal charges from the fbi. carol? >> all right. evan perez, i'm sorry, i'm a little distracted. you are sharing very important information with our viewers. we have another live event. it's been a busy morning. let me take you to charlotte, north carolina. this is the naacp speaking about the shooting that happened yesterday. >> comments will be from brother b.j. murphy, representative of the nation of islam, pastor may from detroit, now has a church in charlotte, abundant faith. we will be meeting with attorney timothy d. smith and will
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collaborate his law firm with christopher chestnut, who is in florida, contacted last night, who helped us with the farrell case in charlotte. we thank you all for being here. in the spirit of civil rights we will open up but before we start that, we do this press conference in memory of tamir rice, trayvon martin as i traveled the streets of sanford, florida. michael brown, one of the bullets went in his eyeball, i attended his funeral as well. walter scott, his family received $5 million a couple months ago. jonathan farrell. some of the other unknown individuals. aaron winchester. brother brown and others. the list goes on and on. brother shot at north lake mall on christmas day or the day before christmas. all of these shootings across the country, we are sick and tired of being sick and tired. so before i get into all of that, we will open up in prayer. bishop? >> let's pray together. gracious god our heavenly
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father, we thank you and praise you for today and today our hearts are heavy, but we come in obedience to your word when we have been instructed to in all things give thanks for it is your will concerning us. today, god, we come together with a collaborative effort and a united front to cry out against injustice here in the city of charlotte and elsewhere, and we thank you, god, that even as you taught us to pray through your son jesus, that your kingdom should come and your will should be done. today, god, we come declaring justice and equity for all those and god, for those who have been wronged, we declare now restitution and father, we know that your will is that justice would roll down like waters from the hills and so today, god, we stand united, declaring and decreeing your glory. it is in the name of jesus i offer this prayer. amen. >> first speaker we will have, not speaker, first individual that will speak briefly is mr.
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b.j. murphy, long-time friend of mine, also a million man marcher associate of mine as well. he will come, representation of the nation of islam. >> we open up in the name of allah. i bear witness that there is no god but allah. muhammed is his messenger. i greet everyone at this press conference in the greeting words of peace. i am not the official spokesperson for the city of charlotte. brother muhammed just pulled up, he's on his way, but being a media person, long-time resident of the city of charlotte, and we are watching our black men this week being gunned down and there's no redress for our grievances of black people being killed. with our brother scott, they said he had a gun. somebody said he had a book. we need to do our own independent investigation to see if that is actually true. but what we are standing up for now is our black manhood and our
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black people who are being gunned down in the street and we don't get no justice. so what i'm calling for, and what we're calling for, is an economic boycott of the whole city of charlotte, since black lives do not matter for this city, then our black dollars shouldn't matter. right? keep our money in our pocket and let you -- we are watching modern day lynching on social media, on television and it is affecting the psyche of black people. that's what you saw last night. this is what, when you don't get your justice, we don't get our redress for our grief, and we don't get justice, this is what you see and you are going to see more of that. we're not telling our brothers and sisters to stop. we're not going to get out there and tell you brother, you shouldn't do that, you shouldn't do this, when we ain't getting no justice. so everybody in charlotte should be on notice that black people today, we are tired of this bull.
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we are tired of being killed and nobody saying nothing. we are tired of our political leaders going along to get along. they are so weak, they don't have no sympathy for our grief, and we want justice. so i say take your money out of north lake mall. take your money out of south park mall. take your money out of the epicenter. hell, let's don't even have the ciaa this year. how you going to party, have a drink in your hand and we ain't getting no damn justice in here. what we're saying is, we are calling on all black people in charlotte to keep your money in your pocket and let the city of charlotte with their great shiny buildings and skyscrapers and hornets and all this, keep your money in your pocket. let everybody feel the pain economically of what we're feeling physically when you kill us. so that's what we are calling for. we are calling for economic boycott in the city of charlotte. don't spend no money with no
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white folks that don't respect us. that's all i got to say, brothers and sisters. i thank you. i don't want to offend nobody but hell, man, we don't got nothing to lose. we don't got nothing, because we are offended. we are offended because we can't get no justice and you know, the thing that is sad about it, when black people are killed, there's no sympathy on social media, on the radio, on television, nobody wants to feel our pain. so the question is, what are you trying to force us to do? and i'm saying take our money out of charlotte and let's put it in our own community, let's create our own black wall street right here in the city of charlotte. >> greetings. i'm from kalamazoo, michigan. ex-professional basketball player. i am a proud father of two sons, one who has an academic scholarship at north carolina, the other a professional
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basketball player trying out for the bulls this weekend. i'm concerned first as a father. i'm concerned as a black man myself. it's obviously hunting season and the black male is the prey. something has to be done. so i greet you in the name of jesus christ but at the same time, the psychology of the church of the nation is that christians are weak but we are not standing here as a weak body. we represent the love of christ but we also represent the temperance of christ that we are fed up. we are fed up being policed, being stopped by police while driving while being black. we are fed up being gunned down, we are fed up for having skittles and cds in our hands and our lives being taken. now we have a book in our hand and our lives are taken. it's obvious to me, you say all lives matter but it's not the truth. if all lives mattered, caucasian, hispanics, asians would be dying. black lives does matter. i come from the psychological
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aspect that i'm challenging all the caucasian leaders across this country, the major pastors, pastors all over this world, chances are that a white supremacist police officer or racist police officer won't come to my church but they probably have a chance to come to your church. therefore, you need to use your platform to tell them that black lives matter. it's not until you begin to speak up and voice your opinion and tell these people that are taking our kids' lives that black lives matter, that change is going to come. there's no need of us writing. there's no need of us burning our own community down. how we can change is economic empowerment. shop black owned. we need an exodus, not only are the macy's and other stories, but we need a major exodus out of these churches because a lot of african-american support caucasian pastors and the pastors never come to our community, never support our community. they are not even here today at this press conference. we need to have an exodus and major boycott of these churches that you all support.
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not only caucasian pastors but black pastors that take our dollar, that won't come to our community, black pastors that take our money, that won't support our children. black lives do matter. regardless of what people say, god has created us, he put us first in the garden of eden and before he created the church he created the black man in africa. we have to understand we are fed up, we are not scared but where, by any means necessary, we don't want to get to a place that change comes only by bloodshed. so it's critical that we be altruistic enough, help us embellish, enhance our community by providing us jobs, giving us adequate education, giving us adequate job training. you cannot put us in a confined area and limit our resources, limit our food, limit our education and don't think we are going to not turn on each other. that's from the 1970s from chicago, a noted scientist said
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he had the experience, they put a male rat with a female rat with two children that were mice and they put them all in a confined area. they fed them, the family was good. they continued to feed them, the family was good. but they began to take away their water supply, their food supply, and they noticed the male rat begin to turn on his children, he began to turn on his wife. from that experience, you have the projects, in our inner city community. we have to cause change to happen in america. take the liquor stores out of our community. take the abortion clinics out of our community. there's none in the suburbs, they shouldn't be in the inner city. there's no liquor store on every corner in the suburbs, they shouldn't be in our inner city. if you want change, change can only happen when everybody is on board. i'm pastor may. bless you. >> thank you. thank you. >> yesterday, standing here, behind the police line, heard a 13-year-old tell me everything that happened. she just got off the bus and she
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witnessed everything. the police always wants to run with a gun. so what? my mother got a gun. the truth of the matter is did he point that gun? did he intend to really sit in a vehicle waiting on his son to get home from school and then plot to shoot a cop if they pulled up on him? >> no, he didn't. >> they told me mr. scott sits there every day in his vehicle, wanting to pick up his son and give him a hug. yesterday, his son could not get that hug. across the country, we are being shot down. shot down. very few cops go to jail for that. here in charlotte, just two years ago, standing here yesterday was symbolic to me standing in court for jonathan farrell. shot down ten times, shot at 12 times. how can the city of charlotte cut a check for $2 million? if cut a check for $2 million for a family, obviously something is wrong. how in the world you're not locking the officer up? then you give him his three-year
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salary as if everything's okay. then you file a complaint on my lawyer in florida and say he's been passing out business cards at a funeral. how dirty are you, charlotte? let me take you down memory lane. jonathan farrell's trial. on july 1st the chief of police resigns. now he's doing security in florida at the coca cola plant. my question is, the same chief that put the charges on the cop was not in trial. they brought 30 cops out talking about stuff we didn't even know. bullet range and how powerful was the gun and what part of the bullet hit his heart. we don't want to know that. we want to know why the mystery man was not in trial. he charged the officer. so you get things going on behind closed doors. reverend sharpton told me to look behind those doors, where they're smoking cigars, plotting on the lives of african-americans. america, you are not going to be deleted out of my memory bank in
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reference to what you did during the tuskegee experiment. sticking syphilis in the veins of african-americans then, then bill clinton as they say the first black president, president clinton gives an apology 40 years later. >> we are going to pull away from this so we can talk about what went down in charlotte, north carolina. with me is cedric alexander, cnn law enforcement analyst, and cnn legal analyst laura coates. we heard what was said at this press conference from the nation of islam and a number of pastors from across the country. last hour, the police chief spoke about how officers recovered a gun at the scene. they said when the officers approached this suspect, mr. scott, they ordered him to drop the gun and he didn't. i want you to listen to how the chief of police described what went down yesterday afternoon. >> he exited the vehicle armed with a hand gun.
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the officers observed him get back into that vehicle, at which time they approached the vehicle to engage this subject. the officers gave loud, clear verbal commands which were also heard by many of the witnesses. they were instructing the subject once he got out of the vehicle to drop the weapon. in spite of their verbal commands, mr. scott as i said exited his vehicle armed with a hand gun, as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. >> so cedric, i will pose this question to you, because the police chief could not say whether mr. scott was pointing the gun at officers, but if there was a gun in this man's hand and police were ordering him to drop the weapon, would police necessarily wait for the gun to be pointed at them before they opened fire? >> no, absolutely not. they probably would not wait for
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the gun to be pointed at them if he stepped out of the vehicle with a gun. let me say this. i still think there's a lot of that investigation that's going to need to be determined, the physical evidence, witness statements, the officer statements, where that body was found, where it was lying, where the proximity of the gun was lying to his body. a lot of things are going to be taken into account as to determine what happened. here's the most important thing. regardless what happened in charlotte, people across this country are fed up with what they are seeing. it's not making sense to them. i'm talking to you as a police administrator and one who has been in this profession for about 40 years now. it is very difficult for me or anyone else to come on this show or any show and begin to offer some type of reasonable conclusion as to what happened because we see these events over and over and over. i as a police administrator, i have had shootings in my community. i have been questioned in my community. but it is becoming so much of an issue in a way you just heard
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those pastors in charlotte, people are finding it very difficult even if it's a well-trained shoot or not, people are having a very hard time trying to separate between what's truth and what's fiction. we are in a very, very tough place. it seems like all the work we have been doing over the last couple years really appears to be to very little avail. but we still have to wait for a complete investigation. but the american people, i'm not just talking black people, i'm talking the american people, are seeing something is inherently wrong here and something has to be done. we got to figure out what that is. i would hope and i will end here, i would hope in five days, we have the first presidential debate and it should be on their agenda to talk about these issues as it relates to police community relations in this country and they can talk about foreign policy, economic policy, but we also need to talk about policy and what needs to be done
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between police and community in this country and they have circumvented, both candidates need to talk about this issand l the american people what their position is. these people will be here when they take their post on january 20th. >> this frustration within communities, laura, there is also frustration within the police community. you could certainly hear that in chief putney's voice when he spoke about not listening to a voiceless majority. let's listen. >> people are watching how we respond, how we react. and i'm optimistic that the results of our action will be positive. we'll have positive outcomes. but it's time for the voiceless majority to stand up and be heard. it's time to change the narrative. because i can tell you from the facts that the story's a little bit different as to how it's
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been portrayed so far, especially through social media. >> so laura, what do you suppose the chief was talking about? >> well, i think the chief was talking about the issue of maybe this is a scenario of the social media community has decided to determine that the police officers involved in this case are already guilty based on the actions of other officers who have had excessive force cases against them and i think he's hoping people will look at officers and use the bad apple preface everyone uses to talk about officers to excuse conduct but the larger issue here is the frustration of the officers, that the narrative now is about them. they have been empowered and emboldened over the course of decades, following supreme court precedent authority, to say they will always be deferred to and their judgment will not be questioned. now you have the microscope of social media, the microscope of the media itself, who is saying listen, we need a better
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explanation when you use lethal force. we do need to have the puzzles put together. you can't simply say trust us, believe us, officers, we have deference for a reason, we have to actually see proof that lethal force was actually intended to be used and was built on provocation. i don't see this in every case we are talking about here. >> here's the thing. i want to pose this question to michaela. even with hardcore evidence that people can see and touch, some in the community still won't believe that it's true, that there's some sort of setup because there's this level of distrust that seemingly can't be bridged. >> well, first, i am still really feeling how hurt the community of charlotte is, how hurt tulsa is, how hurt ferguson is, how hurt baltimore is, and the entire black family is angered, they are traumatized, they are in deep, deep ancestral
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mourning. when you heard the person from, the pastor just rattling off names of people in charlotte that we never heard of, what you are dealing with is a system that has never been trusted by the community. you can read in just mercy all the evidence of things being moved around and evidence being -- we just saw in charleston evidence being planted on a dead body. so what we are doing now, we are trying to negotiate an america every morning, we wake up and wondering who was shot, what brother was stolen, what father was stolen, what daughter was stolen, what sister was stolen from us either by law enforcement or by mass incarceration and at what point do you tell people to wait? at what point do we stop waiting? why are we asked to have a moral
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compass that no one else is following? at a certain point, the burden is too great on the black community and everyone, the white community has to stand up and say enough and deal with their brutal history and their brutal system in which people are operating. this is not a bad apple. this is a bad system that has always been bad for black americans. we are negotiating, seeing two terrorists live to go to trial, and in north carolina, it's an open carry state. so that man is allowed to have a gun. but i saw dylann roof kill people in charleston. he's going to trial. we are all negotiating all this madness. so when you hear this outside agitating of kids throwing rocks who know this country has never cared about them, that the only plan for them is prison, how are they supposed to react? they are not burning -- that's
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like saying they are destructing their communities, that's like saying they're burning down the plantation. at what point does that community feel like theirs? at what community do the badges feel like they are there to protect them? they are there to protect property, protect whiteness. they are not there to protect them. so until there is justice, there has been no -- people are being killed with impunity. until there's justice there is no peace. we are hurting today. >> i know. i want -- i have to stop it right here. i would only say that chief putney is begging the community peaceful protest, do what's legal. he says he doesn't mind peaceful protest but please, no violence because there's no place for that right now in this community that is hurting. he is seeking understanding. i have to end it there. laura, cedric, michaela, thank you. we'll be right back.
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just 48 days to go until election day and in the battleground state of pennsylvania it is an intense fight to the finish for hillary clinton and donald trump. cnn's miguel marquez is on the front lines in philadelphia.
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>> reporter: i'm expecting a huge turnout in november and we are going to have donald trump and we are going to make america great again. thank you. pennsylvania republicans counting on enthusiasm. >> you want to knock on that to door? >> reporter: an uphill battle to turn this blue collar state red in november. >> it wasn't won by republicans for the last few presidential elections. we think trump's going to win this state. >> are you going to vote for donald trump? >> probably. it's the only choice. >> reporter: the last time pennsylvania went republican, 1988. the latest poll shows clinton ahead in the state but with exceptionally tight races in ohio and florida, republicans here sense momentum. >> if donald trump wins pennsylvania, he wins the presidency. here's why. pennsylvania is more democratic than both florida and ohio. >> reporter: if he wins here, he wins there. trump running strong in rural
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pennsylvania, but needs support in vote-rich philadelphia and its suburbs, where a third of the state's voters live. >> you cannot lose the philadelphia suburbs. not only are we talking about a large number of votes, but we are talking about the largest pool of swing voters. >> child care is such a big problem. >> reporter: trump announced his child care initiative appealing to swing voters, women and moderates in those philly suburbs. >> we are going to solve that problem. >> reporter: he and his running mate mike pence have already been to the state nine times. democrats, too, have descended on the keystone state, fighting to keep its 20 electoral votes in their column. >> so let's go out, let's make our case. >> reporter: clinton and tim kaine have been here 11 times and that's not including the democratic convention held here in july. in her most powerful surrogates, president obama, made his first solo campaign event on behalf of clinton right here in philly.
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>> i need you to work as hard for hillary as you did for me. >> thank you all so much for coming to help out. >> reporter: voter registration in july and august ahead of 2008. so far this year, democrats have ed registered 418,000 new voters to republicans 321,000. from both candidates, turnout critical. >> if i'm in the white house, young people will always have a seat at any table where any decision is being made. >> reporter: clinton seeking support from younger voters, many still burned out from a primary in which their guy didn't win. jordan tannenbaum was a bernie sanders delegate. like many, she says fear of a trump presidency is a bigger motivation than love for clinton. >> it's not an election that it's okay to sit out. you can't -- protest votes aren't going to do much this election. it's too risky.
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>> it's our job to talk to them about why they feel that way and hopefully change that into positive energy. >> how do we make the economy work for everyone? >> reporter: and the ad wars have finally come to pennsylvania. clinton has spent nearly $12 million in the state. her latest ad focused on jobs and the economy. >> donald trump's america is secure. >> reporter: donald trump, after spending zero through august on tv advertising, has spent nearly $3 million on ads focusing on immigration and security. voter registration here ends october 11th, with no early voting in pennsylvania, it will be a race to election day. pollster terry madonna says he is saying that many voters are saying they are more motivated by their fear or dislike of the other candidate than their own, so enthusiasm will be huge here. it will be a long, hard slog to november 8. carol?
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>> but it will be interesting. to say the least. miguel marquez live from philadelphia this morning. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. violent protests erupting on the streets of charlotte, north carolina. >> hold the police officers accountable for what they do! >> the clashes breaking out following the fatal shooting of a black man. >> there was a terrorist. he was taking a life. does his life mean more than our black men across the nation? >> the contents of his notebook are emerging in new court documents. >> references terrorists including awlaki and osama bin laden. >> honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than


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