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available here at cnn, covering this breaking news. breaking news, protest in ares charlotte. protestors are clashing with police after the shooting death of keith lemont scott. one civilian being shot by another is on life support in the hospital. one officer has been injured this evening. more were injured last night. north carolina governor pat mccrory says he is sending troopers from the highway patrol to charlotte, the mayor telling me this evening other resources may be available to her, she is seeking, to try to get a handle of the situation. boris sanchez has been out on the streets for us this evening covering these demonstrations and he joins us now. boris, what are you seeing? >> reporter: don, we're just getti getting --
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>> you know live tv, do your thing. >> reporter: right now there appears to be peace. it seems pretty peaceful though we know police are down the street and the crowd that was out here just a few moments ago when we saw this apartment building getting ransacked, seems to have disbursed. there were people cheering others on as they were destroying glass, throwing rocks and rods at this building. we haven't heard some of the loud explosions -- [ teargas shots ] >> reporter: the police officers will throw teargas out and people will start running ask a short while when the gas dissipates they'll run right back out. these crowds have been out here for hours, don and simply just keep moving further down the street ask causing more destruction. we've seen people get in the way of the porotestors and the police. we spoke to toussaint remain, a
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public defender now trying to advise people to get out of the police' way, trying to demonstrate peacefully. he was praying at one point on the ground between police and protestors, but again things quickly divolved after that. things got out of hand and as we started moving down the street, what you mentioned just a few moments ago, people started breaking into businesses, breaking through glass. i saw several businesses that were broken into. there were coat hangers and all kinds of debris in the street. trash was set on fire and the ranker of this crowd wasn't just geared towards police officers. there were several civilians that were hurt. we've been mentioning the one person we were monitoring who was hurt by another civilian right outside the omni hotel where this conflict heated up. and they've also been very aggressive towards the media, as well. there was a cameraman on the
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ground incapacitated before that. there was a fire behind him. i'm not sure how he was hurt but he had to be helped off the street and again what we're seeing now, this crowd that is has not moved, at least 100 people, potentially more, they're walking back in the direction of the police. the police have staged a line. there's s.w.a.t. line out of the field of vision. we're not there to be honest with you, don, because we felt it wasn't safe to be there. we started getting looks and people started getting very physical and aggressive so we started to move a little bit further out. i think when things calm down if they calm down and we don't see any more teargas we may try to approach it again. >> a couple questions, boris. let's talk about the injured officer. do you know where that happened and we understand that he has been taken to the hospital -- he or she has been taken to the hospital. no condition on that officer. that's this evening. other officers were injured from last night? >> reporter: right, don, so we're getting a picture right now. it looks like people are
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scampering -- >> that's okay. >> reporter: i'm not exactly sure how that police officer was hurt, but we were in several scenes where people were throwing glass bottles, cans of teargas, right back at police, and so it doesn't surprise me that someone got hurt in all of that, but you know, it's just -- it's truly sad when you have a situation where frustrations boil over this way and what started out as a peaceful protest, quickly became very ugly and protestors got in each other's faces and we see more teargas being tossed and police trying to get people to move out. this is downtown charlotte. you can go and again, wait for the gas to dissipate before they head right back into confront police officers, don. >> okay. and let's talk about the civilian, the protestor who we're now being told -- go ahead, boris, what are you
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seeing? [ teargas shots ] >> reporter: there are more and explore explosions. s.w.a.t. teams are moving furtherer and further in. from what we can tell, people are starting -- some people are starting to dissipate. there are other people getting beyond the gas, again, just waiting to get close to the police again. from what i could tell, they are moving in, don. you mentioned that civilian, that happened in front of us. i heard the explosion, and moments later, i saw a crowd gather around a person. later i talked to a young lady who saw what happened and had a video of it and there was a young man who was protesting that apparently got hit by something. he was on the ground bleeding profusely and police started tending to him. inch igzly it was reported he was killed, that was an inaccurate report. the city of charlotte tweeted he was on life support. that's what we know about him
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right now. from what we've heard, the chief of police tweeted earlier it was a civilian-on-civilian incident that it was not police that caused that injury, but people here on the ground as we mentioned, don, they're reading reports on social media, and i heard one woman start yelling at the crowd that they killed another one of us, they killed another one of us, suggesting that young man that was badly hurt, that that happened at the hands of police from clearly -- you know, that wasical clarifie later and brought out as misinformation. we've seen them get more and more agitated as the night has gone on. the people that were here have for the most part left and there are people covering masks and covering their faces. it just -- you could feel it in the air. it's a different crowd than what we were seeing earlier. >> so boris, you mentioned the person who was hurt and this is -- let's put this up. this is from the officially, city officials saying that civilian who suffered a gunshot
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wound is in critical condition and on life support. the city of charlotte said on their verified twitter account this is a correction to earlier we got official information from them, apparently they are correcting that as boris just stated. also, boris sanchez, we're alwaalso getting word you witnessed from our affiliate, wcnc a reporter cameraman were attacked and transported by ambulance to be treated for injuries. is this the same thing we witnessed with you a couple moments ago? >> reporter: i believe so, don. yeah, that -- we were walking away from police at an intersection and right as we were crossing the street, there was a teargas canister that was tossed, a loud explosion and when i turned around i saw another man and police are starting to get aggressive with
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us. exude excuse me, sir. we saw that man on the ground and he was incapacitated. i don't know how he was hurt but he was in really rough shape. fortunately they were able to get out of the way. >> and so, again, as happens in these particular situations, the crowd gets out of control, and then they try to, you know, all the assault, or intimidate our news people. i'm watching on a different feed here. our folks there are very adepth of taking care of themselves. i want to make sure our correspondents and camera people are okay. they can take care of themselves on and off camera, as well as security so we hope they're okay and we're keeping an eye on this situation. boris, are you there? you can talk to us? are you in a safe spot now?
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>> reporter: i'm trying to have a conversation with one of the po protestors. he was asking me what we were reporting. this goes back as we hear another explosion behind me, you know, there's this deep, deep mistrust among people, partly because of misinformation and partly because these incidents continue to happen. just give me a moment, sir. as we're watching this behind me, don, there's level of mistrust for police officers and for the justice system in general. you know, these incidents continue to happen, although you have to ask yourself where's the line? when does civility give way to violence and when do innocent people, you know, have to get hurt? that camera person we were talking about were just doing their job. the people in this apartment building they deserve to have their property destroyed, i'm
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not sure that's the case. i was trying to make that case, but frustration boil over and tempers started to flair. don, to get back to what i was trying to say before, the line of police has started moving forward. protestors have started moving back but a lot of people are simply not going home. i'll try to get back to you, don. >> boris, i want you to stand by and if you're at home, i will give you this caveat. you should get people out of the room if you don't want to hear some things that you know is not spoken in polite company. it is late here in the east coast early in our western time zones but we're following the developing situation that's happening in charlotte, north carolina, where there have been a number of people hurt tonight, at least one, in critical condition on life support. we're being told that it is civilian-on-civilian and one of them was a protestors.
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the injuries from a gunshot wound. we've also seen a newsperson, photographer we believe from an nbc affiliate, who was attacked on camera and has been taken to the hospital, and we're also hearing that one officer has been injured this evening, that officer has been taken to the hospital, as well, and as we know, there were more than a dozen officers who were injured in similar protests in the same city last night. as we watch our crews out in the field and they get more information, we want to bring it back here and i want to bring in my law enforcement analyst, cedric alexander, who has joined us for the bulk of the hour and will continue for as long as necessary, and jeff word, retired maryland state police major neil franklin, and demartin perdemetri robinson. as you're looking as a former police officer, you're looking on the what's happening on the streets, boris sanchez is saying
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there's no police presence, he seeing no visible police, no uniformed police, and people are breaking windows, and people being harmed in certain situations or threatened to be harmed. >> understand, don, that police resources have to be used sparingly and appropriately and they have to be used in a manner that allows the police department to engage where necessary. you see the line that they're holding, they're doing a very good job, i think, that the leadership in charlotte has put further a new way to deal with these situations as we see those officers standing their ground and not being as aggressive as we've seen in some other situations but they have to be very specific in their deployments. a few broken windows does not equal overaggression and does not equal something that police should be engaged in at some moment because it's a petty
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property crime. i'm not saying property doesn't matter, but lives matter more for rioters, and i think we see these officers standing in that gap and doing what they're supposed to do. >> i'm also hearing, jeff, from people who are saying the mayor and whoever is heading the police department, this is about law and order. they need to begin control of their city. >> it is a police problem, not political, don. you know, these things go a lot better when the police kmu commanders on the ground are allowed to make tactical decisions moment by moment, instead of politicians making political decisions from a distance. so, i -- i hope what's happening in charlotte is that police commanders and the tacticians on the ground are allowed to handle this very dynamic, frinettic situation, and as you know, it's like a rugby game, the ball keeps offing up and down the field and it's hard to gain
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control. >> if you're a citizen of charlotte, north carolina, surely you are of concern as our people around the country here, but if you live in that immediate area, then you're worried about your safety, cedric alexander, you people police to contain this. this is a right for everyone to protest. you don't have the right to riot but you want some control if you live there and people are kicking in your door. >> absolutely do you, because in the morning, people in that community who live in and around that uptown area, are going to see a very different city than what they left this afternoon. people living around the community certainly want to feel say and want to be safe and the charlotte police department is providing that safety with the resources that they have available, and i think the way that demetri articulated, the utilization of those resources is right on point. so everyone want to feel safe in charlotte tonight and tomorrow.
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i'm very certain and very confident that the police department and its leadership there is going to be there throughout the night, will be there tomorrow, to make sure that people can safely come into their places of employment if they happen to be open and to be able to move in and around that city in which they feel some public safety. >> i was speaking earlier to congressman meeks and also to the reverend william barber and they were talking about how much this muddies the message and set this is movement back. according to the protestors from our folks here on the street, protestors and organizers who were there, are telling our producers they went home after things turned violent and this is the trouble makers who are out there now, but how do you separate the two, neil, if you're watching from home or if you're a police officer, or in the minds of people at home, they're one in the same, correct? >> well, it is difficult to separate the two, but one thing that there's pattern that we
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tend to see as we go from city to city, whether st. louis area of baltimore is -- as you get later into the evening, most of the peaceful protestors do go home of the most of the peaceful organized protest occurs in the daytime then later in the evening you have more bad actors coming out under the cover of darkness. they don't want to be identified when they commit these crimes and on top of this, i want to say to boards and i your cameri true, the fear that they spoke about, and the injured cameraman from the other affiliate, respect that fear and make good judgment calls if you feel you feedback need back up, then their lives aren't worth it. >> and having been in several of these situations in the last couple years -- other different
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situations not particularly because of rioting because of justice and criminal justice reform, you're absolutely right. over the last few years starting with ferguson, there has been some tense and tough situations out there that members of the news media are having to deal with, but our main focus is that news media is to bring it to you as law enforcement -- their main focus is to keep people safe and bring about law and order. we want to bring this to the public so they can see it and make their own judgment about it. i do have some information as you saw earlier here on cnn boris and his crew were out in front of the hyatt house holt wh when you saw some of the objects being destroyed. we're being told the vallet and attend event were punched in the face by protestors, according to the hyatt house hotel manager. protestors came in the front of the holtel, used bricks to brea
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out windows, guests have been advised to stay in their rooms, while the hotel is on lockdown. as we said here, jeff, that the people there want to be safe, and the protestors or the people who are out here now, want to cause trouble and so that is a situation that we're in now. >> right, don, and you know, neil had it exactly right. we saw -- we called -- in for son, we called shift change. we had the mostly peaceful protestors leave as night fell and the mostly violent protestors show up, which is why i was such advocate for curfews. there was a demarcation between protestors and rider behavior by just allowing that to continue to occur into the wee hours of the night, was a disservice to everybody, and i think that it
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also is a disservice to the peaceful protest movement we allow the protests to be so muddied. >> i appreciate you standing by, cedric alexander, neil frank line, demetri roberts and reverend barnes. and chairman of the congressional black caucus, i thank you for sticking around. we need your voice but i need to get to something very important and i'll bring in my guests after that. this is yolanda has, and, joining us by phone, a neighbor of the scott family. mr. haskins, keith was a loving father, brother, husband and friend, who will be deeply missed every day, and this was ms. scott who said that. as a family we respect the rights of those who wish to protestors. we ask people protestors
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peaceful peacefully. do not hurt people, damage things that do not belong to you in the name of protesting, or hurt police officers. what do you say, yolanda? >> i say the people of charlotte are doing this all the wrong way. i feel like as a citizen of charlotte, north carolina, resident, i believe that we should go about taking it from the economy instead of tearing up our cities. these young men and women do not realize these companies and businesses have beinsurance so what's the point of tearing down something they're going to rebuild. we these to go to the justice system and the economy and hit them where it hurts. we can't be violent and igno ignorant. this is an ignorant move and shouldn't be like this.
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he can't voice his opinion now or never because he's gone. we can't get that back. i under we all are angry but we have to take it another route. if we want to make change we have to do it ourselves, but how can we do it if we keep money into the system. so we need to boycott and not pay -- do not spend our money, simple as that. let the system feel it where it hurts us at, in their pocket. everybody has to live off a dollar, so why can't we just come together and take their dollars? >> yolanda haskins, thank you so much, neighbor of the scott family, she's saying listen, there should be an economic boycott until change is made in charlotte, north carolina, or in the state of north carolina. i want to thank you her for that but i want to read this just into cnn. the governor of north carolina, governor pat mccrory declared a
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state of emergency on the request of charlotte mecklenburg police chief putney, and will deploy the naustional guard and state highway patrol. here's congressman meeks, joining us as congressional chairman black caucus, now a state of emergency in north carolina, declared by the governor. this is just the beginning, it seems. >> i hope this is the end and those individuals who are committing now acts of violence, destroying property, which would deprive people from going to work tomorrow, and earning their living, that they do not return to the streets and to allow people who are upset at what has taken place to peacefully protest. that's what has to happen. so do you have to make sure
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there is a clear division between the two and we want to make sure no other lives were lost or seriously injured so that is of deep concern as we move forward. you said it's the end, maybe it's the beginning of the end of this, as a state of emergency, that means more resources will be moved to smar lcharlotte, no carolina. are you happy with that congressman? >> i want to make sure nobody is safe. i want people to be able to demonstrate in a peaceful manner because i'm sure there are many individuals in charlotte, who want -- who are upset at what took place and want to express themselves peacefully and i don't want those expressing themselves in a violent way, to deprive those who want to protest in a peaceful way to be deprived from it. their voices do need to be heard because of what has taken place throughout america with regards to police and shootings, et
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cetera. i want those peaceful voices to be heard so i want to drum out these bad wants, out of there, so the peaceful ones can protestors peacefully and we can make a real change in the criminal justice system. >> the neighbor of mr. scott, of the scott family, yolanda haski, in s, w ns, there should be a boycott. what do you think? >> that is a peaceful means of expressing what you want. already in north carolina, we've seen where the nba and other events because of laws passed, we clearly discriminate against others, so there's been an economic boycott in that ordreg so maybe there should be a further boycott until we get transparen transparency. we need to get all of the facts from this particular issue and make sure we know what they are and i believe that it is
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important for the attorney general of the united states now to utilize her power to get involved in this and not just leave it to the local municipalities and the local police. >> okay. thank you very much. i appreciate it. i want you to stand by, congressman, because on the phone is congressman robert pinni pinningger of north carolina. you' you're listening to congressman meeks. your initial reaction? >> it's sad of the loss of life is grievous and i share the burden for the family, but i can say that watching the demonstration, watching the o outrage, the looting, it's totally out of context from reality. cmpd, i work with them for 25 years and have ridden shotgun with them on many conversations.
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6:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. hours, this is true for law enforcement, throughout the country. so what we've seen now is totally unacceptable. where is martin luther king today? we cherish him in this memory, every february and we honor him, yet where is the spirit of that? where is the leadership that calls out where the pastors and lay leaders and political leaders insisting that people convey their concerns in a peaceful way and they -- and they look with some reason of -- of hope, but also trust. you know, the cmpd, the charlotte mecklenburg police department are there to protect everybody. our chief of police is a wonderful man, african-american man, the man shot the young man, he's african-american.
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this is not a black-white-racial issue as described by some, but to boycott as one person said because of the discrimination, where's the discrimination? this is nonsense. we need for truth to prevail for truth to come out, but we need for people to walk in integrity and for those who have come in now to agitate to bring disorder and more violence and raise the level of concern, where is the measured voigs of the president of united states? where is the measured voice of the head of the justice department? our attorney general. these are leaders for the african-american community. where is their thoughtful response to bring calm, to bring assurance, that justice will preva prevail. it has prevailed in the past.
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we have found out the othfacts other communities. the facts didn't lineup with the hysteria, and the untrues, that were being set from the outset. let's bring truth into this dialogue. let's honor the integrity of those who protect the entire community. i love these men and women. i know many of them very l. i've worked with them for a long time and i -- and i appreciate the leadership of our law enforcement. we need to appreciate everyone's behalf. >> this is your district and we can tell you're very passionate about this, it hits very close to home and you have to say earlier that you -- you called in the interim as we try to figure out what's going on here, that we need every african-american pastor and leader, to rise to the challenge and speak with a sound system to this group of protestors calling for restraint and you mentioned in your response earlier that
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reverend dr. martin luther king junior, he would be proud of that thoughtful discourse and leadership. i want you to stand by because i want you to bring the governor, of north carolina, governor you declared a state of emergency moments ago, why? >> the chief of police requested that additional assistance. we've been preparing since 8:00 this morning for deployments to charlot charlotte in case this happened, and i was in conversation throughout the day with the police chief, and it's up to them to ask the governor for, state of emergency, to see if we were on stand by, waiting for that, and we got it about 15 to 20 minutes ago from the chief. >> so state highway patrol troopers are there and what are their orders? >> i'm going to let the chief of police help give those orders and get them deployed.
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usually these circumstances are to protect buildings and assets so the charlotte, mecklenburg police department can work the street, clear the streets and sidewalks and make the appropriate arrests when necessary while the guard that will be coming into the city during the evening will be protected so the police can do their job. >> we cannot tolerate violence or tolerate the destruction of property and will not tolerate the attacks towards our police officers occurring right now and i feel very strongly about that right now. that is not the american way. these police officers are showing a tremendous amount of courage and there's obviously a few hundred people who have come to our town center in charlotte, north carolina, which is a great city in and their major goal seems to be destruction and harm
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and that's wrong and it's unacceptable. >> i spoke with mayor jennifer roberts considering a curfew. i'm condoring wondering if ther have been a curfew and does this put one into effect certainly? >> right now it does not, but i was mayor of charlotte for 14 years. it's one thing i don't want to do, is second guess someone in the middle of an event and i'm not going to do that but a curfew is definitely a very strong option. >> let's talk -- >> i've used the curfew before as mayor of charlotte. the big disadvantage right now for any mayor and any governor is the use of social media, which is -- we didn't hear that from 2007 to 2009, and the social media makes it very difficult because the protestors could do a much better job and coordinating and directing people where our police presence is and frankly the media i want
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encourage y'all not to bring purpose to the camera for violent purposes. >> any time that happens we take the camera off those. we're in a tough situation because it's duty to cover it because we don't want to cover the -- >> you're walking a fine line just line the police are. >> absolutely. >> and i'm glad you'll respect that because you than in your business and i know that in my business some people will insight violence at the expense of the community and especially the police officers. these police officers are under tremendous amount of threat and they're hard working men and women who are also at times having difficulty walking that fine line. it's a life and death fine line. >> i agree and as we say there's always one knuckle head, if not
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more, in any situation, and sometimes that happens. >> i think i see more than one. >> if not more. >> and their goal is not to contribute. their goal is destruction and anarchy and that is something our nation -- as governor of north carolina will not accept someone trying to turn a very good city into anarchy and we're going to stop it and deal with those individuals. >> that's very well put governor. and i want to ask you about this -- regarding this video of the shooting of keith lemonth scott yesterday. what's the law in north carolina about the release of this video and double this video should be released? >> you know, i'm going to -- i think it's appropriate frp or mo let the police and the mayor respond. one thing i learned as mayor and on my fourth year of governor is you don't want several people speaking on behalf of the
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leadership of the city. i wouldn't appreciate it if i was mayor and the governor started doing they. there is a new law coming into effect october 1st, and i'm sure you'll get details about the existing law and the new law not coming in to place until october 1st. we have to be extreme plea concerned abo concerned about videos because we have to protect our constitutional rights of our police officers to make sure they get a fair hearing while at the same time, respecting the family, that's another important ingredient and the transparency to the public. we have constitutional rights here that have to be protected so it's a very fine line similar to what you're using and what you show in your video and what you don't show in your video. >> don't you think though -- not saying you're advocating for the
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release of it, for the mayor and other officials but if you see it in front of your eyes for your very own eyes, that would -- don't you think that would be no question about what happened -- some of this may be avoided? >> one thing i've learned for 25 years as a city councilman, as mayor of 14 years and now as a gone of three, one viewpoint of a video doesn't often always tell the whole story. the angles can make a difference, and the -- not hearing often in the video says that complexity is one piece of evidence, and we have to be very careful and will stuthe constit rights of our police officers which you also have to protect. it's a very delicate line that we as society are dealing with, with all the media that is available. in one respect, it can be used for a very positive thing for
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our public, in othanother way, video can be abused. >> you haven't seen that have you, governor? >> no, sir. i'm going to leave that up. my job to allow the local police department, and police chief do their job, and this is another reason i have to be careful to make sure that s.b.i., which i'm in charge of, if they take control i have to be careful of my comments out of respect for all parties. >> understood. so obviously no one condones violence. we've spoken out against it, you, as well, but you represent even those being violent, the citizens of your state. do you understand the concern and maybe this level of anger and frustration? >> i understand concerns and i understand frustration and anger but i never will -- i never will respect violence. violence is unacceptable, and we
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have to get that word out. violence of throwing things at our police officers, violence of breaking windows and only causes more chaos, and violence does not seek a solution, good positive, constructive dialogue, which is not the first time when i was the mayor in the '96-'97 time frame, and the way we resolved it is through conversation and facts and patience and violence is the last alternative and we have some great leaders that used to espouse that including the great martin cluluther king who did n promote violence whatsoever. i strongly disagree with any violence or destruction of property and sadly, it looks like we've had one person killed tonight and that does no one any
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good. >> you should know we got the latest update which was a correction, that was person was on life support and was in critical condition unless that person is passed in the moments we were speaking, there was a skre clarification -- >> thank you for that clarification. >> the civilian who suffered gunshot wounds is on life support, critical condition, not deceased. that was the update everyone got earlier and this just came out a short time ago. >> any violence, one comment i made earlier today in support of the police chief and the community leaders in charlotte is we want peace, conversation, and we also want to support our police who are right now under a great deal of stress, in downtown charlotte, that i have a passion and love for. i'm in raleigh now, in the state capital, but i know every block of that city blindfolded and it's a beautiful, beautiful city
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with great people and it's a very good police department with good training and they're going through a difficult time and we as a nation and state are going to do everything before them. we're also recognizing this very tough situation for our citizens. no violence is allowed. >> you said earlier that video can be taken out of context. where are you on the body cam law? do you support it? >> i'm advocate of a body cam, but i assignsigned the body cam which allows the video to be shown to the family & also respects the right of our police officers and also, has a way to show the public, so it's again, respecting the public, respecting the family and the constitutional rights of a police officer. and that's it is fine line we're trying to walk and we'll always
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try to improve upon this, because with technology there's something new we learn every day and there are a lot of lessons we're going through and that includes policing and technology, and they're also issues of -- there are a lot of issues regarding the privacy of other people in videos. >> why not release it to the public though? the stage earner attorney general and the aclu are upset it blocks it from public -- from the public viewing? >> don, i've got to respect the constitutional rights of our police officers and also the investigation. we're also -- >> what about the constitutional right of the citizens though? >> i'm going to protect a person's constitutional right at the same time. >> and the constitutional right of the citizen? >> absolutely. some citizens in videos we may need to protect also in videos because a lot of times we have innocent people within a video, if videos that might be in
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domestic violence disputes and so forth. i've got to get back to work. >> governor i know you have to go but can i ask you one question. >> i've got a lot of work to do. can i ask you one more question? >> one more and we've got to get to work. >> a public defender was on the ground, he told cnn that leaders thesed needed to stand up. do you think charlotte leaders have been visible since these protests started? >> the time to do an evaluation is afterwards not in the middle of a crisis and we're in the middle of a crisis. let the leaders do the best job they can and respect them, and deal with very difficult circumstances. that's exactly what i'm going to do. >> thank you very much, governor pat mccrory joining us with some very good information and how he feels about what's going on there. the shooting of mr. scott and also the protests that have been happening and the violence, as well. let's bring in now, cnn law
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enforcement, do i still have gregory meeks with me? congressman meeks? he's not with us. let's bring in cedric alexander, and jeff lewis, retired maryland state police major neil franklin and demetry roberts, former chicago police officer. you heard what the governor had to say there, it's not the time in his estimation to assess the situation. he's for body cameras, just to releasing them to the family and investigators. what do you make of the governor's comments? >> i don't really know what to make of them but i know what is going to be of question. the reason for the body cameras and certainly we have to respect the integrity of the investigati investigation, but there's going to be an expectation from the public in which the citizens the police officers serve, they're going to want to, at some point, and within some reasonable amount of time, an taunt to view
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those windows and the public has the right to be able to do that, because if we don't do it, if we don't do it in a timely manner, it creates a continued atmosphere of what appears to be not a transparents investigat i. i know this, the 21st century task force report wholly, without question, sported the whole idea of body cameras, and body cameras are becoming more and more readily available making those purchases across the country and we do have to protect the rights of everyone involved but if you asked the american public at the end of the day, yes, we understand the investigation needs to be conduct asked they're okay with that, but within some reasonable
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amount of time people want to see those videos for themselves, and we need to be able to do that without -- without exception. >> the governor recently signed, it's called house bill 972, and -- which was the body camera bill in north carolina. there has been some consternation about it, because even the attorney general -- the state's attorney general said it could have the opposite effect on minimizing police accountability because the attorney general believes it should be released to the public. cedric alexander, i think you're saying it should be released to the public, as well? >> absolutely, that's what i'm saying, let me be clear -- >> i just want to go around the horn and say as a former police officer, demetri, do you think that video should be released and. >> i think, again, don, this is a great opportunity to partner with the community and let's come up with a sensible situation we can stand behind and maybe we don't release it to the forepublic, but members of
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the community they can have a conversation with and show the video to and allow those individuals to be empowered with the right information and hold town halls, conversations with the community around these issues. they have to bring the community into the fold. i'm not advocating to completely release the video to the full public, but i'm saying bring the community involved, give them a voice and the resources necessary to go back to the communities. >> jeff? >> law enforcement used to have the luxury of withholding investigative details to protect the integrity of investigation, but there's new balancing test, you know, you've got the potential loss of life and property. you've got the undermining of public trust and you've got some constant possibility of ambush and assassination of police officers when misinformation rules a day and a false narrative feels this void. so, yes, law enforcement's gotta
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be more nimble in releasing every bit of evidence, including video. >> and neil franklin? what say you? >> i think the help with that transparency is we should have a standing policy maybe at the state level -- this needs to be researched but maybe at the state level where all of these deaths at the hands involving police officers, all of these deaths should have an independent investigation. i think that would be critical. >> as we continue on, should we get to our guests? stand by, gentlemen. i want to bring in our guests, an albright. she was at the protest earlier this evening, so anne, since you were at the protest, you were at a church when you heard about the shooting and you had already left the protests, tell us about it, you were there, what
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happened in. >> thank you for having me on. that'san that's annete albright. i was at the protest earlier. it was very peaceful. i had my granddaughter with me, i stopped and took pictures with the police officers and thanked them for protecting the protestors and we moved into little rock church, and i noticed that a group that came up was a little more rowdy than the group that was inside, so i heard someone say, there's some tension growing so that group left. they moved on. and it was a much younger crowd. as we were sitting inside of the church listening to the speakers, a young girl came into the church, she was visibly upset almost crying. i asked her was something going on and she said there had been a shooting at the omni center and the s.w.a.t. team had been called in and things were very
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chaotic. so i immediately notified the leaders that was in the church that something was going on, i saw one of the county commissioners let her know what was going on and she asked me to go find out if something definitely was going on. >> what do you make of this happening in your city? being there for the protests that happen and all the sudden, all this kachaos breaks loose i your city. what's going on, annette? >> don, what i think is going on is we don't have leadership this crowd is out here now they can relate to and someone can get out there and give them some direction. and that was my concern all day. we get it, we understand how to protest and demonstrate and have our voices heard in a civilized way, but what happens when the
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younger crowd joins in? who's going to lead them? bhoouz going to teach them to have a void with out destroying the city, and it was like exactly what i could foresee, that's what's happening and i was trying to get some of the leaders out of the church to get them out there to this group that was -- i saw riding four-wheelers, flipping off the police officers, and i was like you know guys y'all need to get out there and talk to these kids and help them to understand this is not the right way, but by then, it was just total chaos. >> let's talk in a larger sense of what's happening there. you can speak to the anger and the frustration that drives people out to protest? and then some people to go >> i think don that some people are just taking advantage of an
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opportunity. >> i mean what drives people to protest in the city. you were out as part of a peaceful protest. why were you out there earlier? >> i was out there, because the message that i wanted to get out, yes we have to work with the police, we need to find out the truth. remain calm. it's a process. judicial system is a process, investigation has to happen. but just remain calm, protest but protest peacefully. >> what's going on in charlotte now that makes people want -- besides the shooting, the last incident, but is there an undercurrent, mistrust of police? people frustrated? >> i think just things that have gone on nationally. it was just almost to the boiling point because of everything that has been going on around us, and people -- people who don't have a trust
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for the police, don't see the police responding to people of color like they do white people -- i was sitting here watching the news the other day when they took down the guy in new york and it was a shootout and he came out with his life on a stretcher. you have a man step outside his suv and he gets four shots and he's dead and at the time he was not committing any crime. so that is fuelling it. and then everything else is going on, i mean it's just the perfect storm. >> what do you think annette of how police have handled this this evening? have they shown restraint? i think initially you said there were too many police? trying to go back, couldn't get back. how have police handled this this evening? shown restraint? >> absolutely. been extremely polite.
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and it's the protesters that i saw -- i mean even as i'm sitting in the car and six or seven four wheelers come past us and flip the cops off. they didn't do anything, didn't react, just held their position. and i was like wow. and street had just been blocked off. just so happened i knew a back way to get out and told the girl driving, let's get out of here. and the police officers are showing a lot of restraint. they're very professional in what they're doing. it's more like a protesters are trying to antagonize the cops into coming after them. >> as we see often in these situations sadly, there are people out there for reasons that are warranted and they're protesting peacefully which is the right and then devolves into people not doing the right thing and turns chaotic.
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thanks for calling in. >> thank you. >> bring the panel back. neil she speaks to something very important, talking about the frustration of seeing what happened in new york and new jersey, that man stills that life and in hospital and police trying to talk to him, he's accused of setting off explosives, why he would do something like that and man in oklahoma who lost his life and man in north carolina who lost his life as well. speaking to the frustration of the community. when you look at these pictures it's hard to talk policy and solutions over such pictures when it's unfolding in front of your face which is what we should be talking about but this veers us completely off course. >> it is. and let me just say the gentleman who set off the explosions in new jersey and new york was shot multiple times. i'm surprised he was alive.
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when you use deadly force you don't know if that person is going to survive or not. could be one or multiple shots. one thing that's unique about what we're seeing here and hear your guest talking about the rioting and disorganized protest. it's no longer protest. these are people committing crimes of violence and destruction. let me just say that. but when you look back on the protests we had in the 1960s that were very organized and planned. many of the protests planned months in advance and had greater leadership, not just one or two leaders but throughout the entire protest. our churches were greatly involved in that. today there is a huge disconnect between the church and young people. there is no relationship for the most part. so the leadership within our church has a very difficult time if any success in trying to guide young people. need to come up with better
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solutions, get to place where we do discuss policy and plan it out in advance. we can't wait for the next person to die at the hands of the police. because when that happens people react, immediately, react to misinformation, react to all of the deaths. they see and feel all of the deaths that have occurred. tamir rice, eric gardner, you can keep naming them. that's what they feel and see. we need to start an organized response to what we're experiencing now and keep the conversation going. so when these happen unexpectedly, we have something in place. >> i want to read something for the audience and for you to respond to. something i've goen from a respected member of the public. don't you think it's mostly just immature, smb somewhat ignorant
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under 25-year-old that are creating unrest. do you think black leaders are sending wrong message? too bad mlk is not around. protesters need leaders that don't fuel the fire but. look inward first. don't blame others for problems. ask for help, it's there for those who try. >> what do you make of those comments? >> you have a number of young people 25 years after age and younger who are doing tremendous things in this country and making tremendous contributions at lot of different levels. certainly going to have population, many of those young people we see tonight that somehow along the way got disenfranchised, were marginalized and didn't have the opportunities they should have had, no fault of their own.
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however we have to figure out and many of our very distressed communities who require oftentimes the most police services, we got to figure out how do we put resources and value to those communities where there are opportunities for young people to do different things. lot of times people talk about black lives matter, but they are a group of their time. may not be as organized and focused as we would like for them to be, they have made a statement and some of it appears in some cases to frustrate a lot of people of all groups, but they are of their time. i think at end of the day for all -- in all of this don, we all have some responsibility to help move law enforcement forward. and men and women we see out there tonight doing a tremendous job that they're doing, and across this country, we have to
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really applaud them because they're trying to make an environment safe for everyone, even for those that are out there doing dastardly deeds tonight, those officers are still responsible for their safety and they're doing the very best they can in the conditions in which they work up under. we have a lot of young people out there doing good things and those doing not good things that have to be dealt with appropriately. >> the attorney general of north carolina, roy cooper, calls for peace in the midst of protesting ing iing i ing iini. we must come together as community and find a better path forward. we've seen people injured, this must stop. sent out moments ago via twitter, he's running for governor of north carolina. we're following the breaking news on cnn. it's happening in charlotte, north carolina, these are live
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pictures. thank affiliates for the pictures. helping us bring this to the country and world. peaceful protests that devolved into violent protests earlier this evening and still continuing on in many cases. police are still out on the police. some of the people not protesters at this point but looters are there just to cause chaos, some have been setting fire to trash kanz. some have been kicking in doors of businesses. some of them have been assaulting people. seen it happen live here on cnn. member of our own team was pushed by one of the people out there. one or some of them threatened our camera crews. seen them pushing camera crews back, sticking hands in the lens of the camera and camera crew from another station there, the producer and i believe the
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cameraperson had to be taken to the hospital because of injuries that they sustained. also being told that one officer tonight was injured and also one person is on life support because of a gunshot wound. >> breaking news on cnn as we look at live pictures from charlotte, north carolina, protests turn violent after a fatal police shooting. i'm don lemon, protesters clashed with police after the shooting death of keith lamont scott, one civilian shot and on life support. one officer injured. state in a state of emergency together. governor pat mccrory is sending


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